New here and I must say, this blows away a Conservative Orange site!
To see on the FRONT PAGE Jill Stein in a POSITIVE light!
Amazing. Not having to bow down to the Orwellian Big Brother Party and to support its double-think is unbelievable. To see honest debates and discussions of the corporate-owned two party system without the "Your a right-wing troll" insults is highly encouraging.
I have long contended that the multi-national corporations and uber-wealthy set up both parties and purposely use wedge social issues to keep the people divided and pushed into serfdom. To be able and state freely that Hillary Reagan Clinton is actually to the RIGHT of Reagan today and not be censured for it is a breath of fresh air.
Quite frankly for the middle-aged and older people here like myself, we should be able to recognize that HRC is more conservative than Reagan (economically, more of a war hawk, Reagan supported amnesty, HRC supported deporter in chiefs policies)
We can NOT afford as the 99% to have HRC in the Whitehouse for eight years (Note: Bernie gave a MILD suggestion that Obama drifted too far to the right and should be primaried in 2012, the HRC supporters still use this to degrade Bernie). Should HRC occupy the whitehouse for eight years, the overton window will shift even further rightward.
Who here in the middle-aged or older bracket would have thought in 1980 that the DEMOCRATS would run a candidate to the RIGHT of Reagan?
Yes, HRC is more liberal on social policies, which is why a term coined by republicans in the 90s, a term progressives widely mocked, is now very appropriate. HRC is a "compassionate conservative"
After eight years of HRC, in 2024 a candidate like Martin O'Malley will be seen as an extreme left wing politician who has no place in the Democratic party, and the Democratic party will be nominating someone like Ted Cruz and the Democratic party will tell us to vote for him because ...wait for it ... Lesser of two evils!
Lesser of two evils have brought us a candidate to the RIGHT of Reagan, I can NOT be a part of that! I won't!
#BernieOrBust
#ImWithHerJillStein should Bernie be continuously cheated by a rigged system in the Democratic Party!
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Welcome
It's nice to have you here! Your political analysis is spot-on correct, and...wait for it...
wait for it....
do you hear it?
It is the sound of guilt-mongering, cynical, insufferable Hillary trolls NOT trolling you!
It is indeed a refreshing change from the dank confines of DK. Have a look around, there's lots going on.
....aaaaaaand....
...now I have to go listen to Les Miserables again, thank you so so very much.
*headdesk*
Love of power is a puppet string. - Makana, Fire is Ours
um sorry?
Wasn't really my intention to allude to that, but there's worse things to listen to on a June day, particularly if one is feeling anxious about the future....
Welcome and enjoy!
Welcome and enjoy!
Yes, you are not beholden to the random
rules of a rampant Rockefeller Republican.
and her campaign placemen.
Sit down and enjoy.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Or a Goldwater Girl
When I was a kid, Republicans used to red scare people, now it's the Democrats. I am getting too damn old for this crap!
Why do I have a sneaking feeling
that that designation is actually a bit unfair to the Rockefellers?
I think Hillary and her faction may actually be worse than the Rockefeller Republicans.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Welcome
The chatter of honest discourse
the murmur of deep thought
the silence of intense concentration
these are the sounds to be heard here.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
...don't forget
The incredible music.
Love of power is a puppet string. - Makana, Fire is Ours
Oh yeah, can't leave that out
Thanks.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Allowing Jill Stein
Allowing Jill Stein disgussion is also something that seperates this place from "Kossacks for Sanders," because they banned me for defending her first letter. They still embrace the name Kossack afterall, and won't allow any non-dem views.
If thats the place I am thinking of
I just didn't like the technical layout of the site (reddit), as such I never bothered with it after glancing it.
I hope this comment doesn't cross some meta line. I am just saying the technical layout of the site I don't like. I am saying nothing of its content either way.
When I was a kid, Republicans used to red scare people, now it's the Democrats. I am getting too damn old for this crap!
I, also, have my problems with anyone using reddit.
I've made that clear several times hereabouts.
reddit attempted to be all things to all people, and (of course) failed miserably at it. (As Facebook eventually will, for the same reason.)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
reddit works, but not as a blog
at least not a useful one.
To the extent it is designed:
It is best suited to one liners and sarcastic quips.
Sarcastic quips are my forté
but I still find reddit inscrutable/unusable.
I'm a regular there as well as here, and I can't see why there'd
be a problem with any critique of another site here that extends beyond format. (mods, correct me if I'm wrong, please) One of the things I appreciate most here is knowing I can speak my mind without self-censorship, mindful always of treating others as I would wish to be treated, even in disagreement.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
I have never seen anyone
I have never seen anyone banned for meta. I personally think the domination of the left by partisan dem sites is as legitimate a topic of discussion as the rest of the corporate media, and personalities like Rachel Maddow, and Chris Matthews. I have only seen people banned for attacking mods and guilt tripping us for not supporting Hillary.
People have been banned from here?
I didn't know that.
I think it's extremely, extremely rare, only if it becomes clear
that they are trolls or spam.
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Deja...
I think they're talking about the Kossacks for Sanders reddit site.
Thanks JtC see Server error
Thanks JtC see Server error below.
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Yeah,,,
i know.
No advocacy for 3rd party candidates is on the list of rules
on the right of that site. That reddit subthread, as its name implies, was created (in a hurry, as another lifeboat with a narrower purpose) specifically to support Sanders' campaign, so it's not hard to see why discussion of Stein would be a problem there. Even the person who threw together the site regrets the "Kossacks" part of the name, but there are issues with Reddit in changing it. There's been much discussion about that.
This site is much broader in purpose and scope. I find both places complementary. Together, they allowed me to cut my GOS habit with no withdrawal symptoms. But I can see why the format and other aspects there wouldn't appeal to all. It's designed for short and quick communications and responses, not essays and conversations, and it suits that function well, I think, as c99p suits lengthier postings and comments and creates a different sense of community.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
Synergy is lacking elsewhere
Without cross-talk how can we hope to synthesize a potential path to a viable political movement. Bernie knows this: That's why he keeps welcoming those of us that are less likely to insist upon loyalty to the democratic party. It is oxymoronic to expect a bottom up movement to be directed from the top.
These few sentences of your comment
approximate my personal gospel, inasmuch as I have one. Or, well, maybe not the whole gospel, but these are a few of the commandments:
Thou Shalt Not Place Loyalty to an Authority Over the Honest Operations of One's Own Mind
Despite That, Thou Shalt Not Squelch Dissent, Honest Disagreement, or Debate
Despite *That*, Thou Shalt Not Tolerate Trolls. Thou Shalt Bar Him From Thy Presence, and Send Him Howling Into the Depths of Sheol, Or the Corner Office of Some Political Consultant.
All That Being Said, Thou Shalt Remember That Thy Mind Does Not Always Possess the Truth.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I heard that as said by a smiling Shepherd Book.
Wow. Thank you!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
You can thank (blame) me for that rule.
I left as soon as it was posted. I couldn't see staying somewhere that continued the censorship we were fleeing. it is a very good site for what they do, but it is not conducive to open discussions.
I thoroughly enjoy c99 as I can play devil's advocate and get healthy responses. Also, i am learning a lot here which is always a plus in my book.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Totally understand that being--or just feeling--censored is a
reason to leave. That's why I left TOS, along with the not-so-tacit support for abuse of flags and gang behavior.
Just want to point out, in case it's of interest to news hounds: It's easy to swing by that reddit subthread and see links to news stories, read, and leave without comment or up/downvote. I get all kinds of election-related news there more easily than I would if I tried to read all the pubs and blogs others cull and post from. And I've promoted c99p there. Cross-pollination at times can be mutually beneficial; it expands the genetic pool with new variants and possibilities.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
I keep two subreddits bookmarked
For World news and for Politics
I particularly like those two because I get a much broader picture of what is going on. For example in the Politics section I found something which I have not seen at all in the mainstream media that could spell some problems for HRC:
From Hillary wins anti-gun endorsements, wears color of gun control, orange
I wouldn't have known to look for this one without the World link: US Launches Raids On IS From Aircraft Carrier
Agree: new ideas and viewpoints are essential.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Guns are the DNC wedge issue for 2016
A great way to divide urban and rural poor, while also hitting Bernie. As is typical though, anything approaching a principle on Clinton's part has been sold-off, and the way she and Bill collect loot from arms merchants to spread wars makes her impotent ans implausible claims of doing something about gun control seem like just more lies and pandering.
Bots don't connect dots or
Bots don't connect dots or understand facts and hypocrisy regarding anything $Hillary, gun control vs arms deals, included.
It boggles my mind. They would be the ones screaming, "Heretic!" at the news the earth was actually proven to be round.
I don't understand the intense anger
and territoriality that comes from some Bernie supporters in response to Stein's overtures.
If the past is prologue, which it may or may not be, the Dems will continue to screw us over and Bernie will arguably be screwed out of the nomination. Until the nomination is decided, it makes no sense to leave the party, I agree. But the Dem establishment seems to be in an Anybody But Bernie mood. They cannot abide populism and the New Deal regaining a hold on their party. They've already proven they're willing to go to great lengths to prevent that. Nevada proved that.
If they *do* screw us, and Bernie, over, then what territory are we protecting from Stein? We won't have territory at that point: we'll have a lot of energy and a motivated, large movement that can *take* territory. If the Bernie movement flooded into the Green Party, it would probably change the Green Party more than the movement, because the energy, and the numbers, would be with Berniecrats, not with the Greens who have been fairly stagnant for years. The only way the Green Party would change us more than we changed it would be if the Green party has a structure as corrupt and unrepresentative as the Democratic Party: an entrenched establishment that refuses to change or share power. If this were the case, the movement would not tolerate it, and would immediately leave and build its own structure.
But there's no harm in trying.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I watched a video last night
where Chomsky said, "Nixon was the last New Deal president."
Things certainly look different in the rearview mirror.
Nixon actually imposed wage and price controls by decree. n/t
Nixon started the EPA
The official history is Here.
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What a difference the absence of downvotes and flags makes
So glad those gizmos were rejected at this place. They're too-easy opportunities for anonymous bullying and silencing of dissent, or just an honest difference of opinion. Echo chambers pose dangers to the capacity for critical thought, even our own enlightened (of course!) version.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
we have disagreements and it gets bumpy at times...
but so far they've been honest disagreements with reasonable discussion and not too much huffiness. I think the huffiness is one thing I never want to see again.
Imo disagreement is healthy
but sophistry isn't and TOP runs on sophistry.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Except for the...
problematic administrator that gets bent out of shape too easily.
Well, we make tolerances for him.
After all, he does treat us as adults even when we are not quite acting like it. = )
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
We will throw the bums out in good time, arrg!
ty for this--I'm mollified
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
You're a good egg JtC
I so agree with that Shaz
Huffy is not only useless, it is counterproductive.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Totally agree about the echo chamber
And that's what that conservative orange space has become.
And that's a feature of a place where "Party above all else" is the primary goal.
When I was a kid, Republicans used to red scare people, now it's the Democrats. I am getting too damn old for this crap!
The floggings will re-commence at 21:30
Oh!, you are new here. The captain has an unorthodox plan for building morale. Good luck and here's your portion of gruel.
EDIT: It helps if you read this using your best impression of John Cleese's voice.
I fight for that Overton
window as much or more than any candidate. Should we allow it to move any further rightward we may as well thank the Ubers and Filtyhs (rich / 1%) for our daily bread. Becuz that's about all they'll be willing to pay the 99%.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
You get bread? Spoiled!!!
All my corporate overlord gives us is crusts....
You must be a member of the "New 1%"
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Oh, we never used to have a cup--
we used to drink out of a roll of newspaper.
[Video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo]
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Any python clip almost always gets a thumbs up from me.
But that is one of my favorites and very apropos.
(Wish I would have thought to put it in, lol!)
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Wonderful, isn't it?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I've always loved that clip!
"I had to get up in the morning at 10 o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work 29 hours a day, ... and when we got home our dad would kill us and dance about on our graves."
"And you try to tell the young people of today that and they won't believe ya'"
Speaking of Young People, I like to drop this on some of them :)
You gotta have a sense of humor about these things...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
It was quite pleasurable to read a post by Jill Stein here
The ground rules here are civility, respect for one another, and an open exchange of diverse opinions. Although not implicit in the website's concept, my hope is that this site remains a reliable progressive beacon of enlightenment.
Two websites, as different as the two lodges in Twin Peaks . . .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_White_Lodges
Please check out welcome new users.
And the other links on the top left. They will give you an introduction to the site and help you to avoid faux pas. /moderator
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
No bowing of your head is
No bowing of your head is needed here. Welcome!
So long, and thanks for all the fish