Vietnam
01/27 Open Thread - The Official End of the Viet Nam War
Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 01/27/2025 - 5:00am08/05 Open Thread - National Underwear Day
Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 08/05/2024 - 5:00amMonday OT: February 17 is Giordano Bruno Day (Unofficial)
Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 02/17/2020 - 5:00amMonday OT: August 5 is National Underwear Day
Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 08/05/2019 - 5:00amKen Burns' Vietnam - Let us now praise famous grunts
Submitted by arendt on Tue, 10/03/2017 - 7:32pmLet us now praise famous men, and our fathers that begat us. The Lord hath wrought great glory by them through his great power from the beginning. Such as did bear rule in their kingdoms, men renowned for their power, giving counsel by their understanding, and declaring prophecies.
- Ecclesiasticus 44:1-4
Episode 9 (first hour) - Nixon as a "tamper" in the Tet A-bomb (UPDATE: HOUR2)
Submitted by arendt on Thu, 09/28/2017 - 11:05amIn my review of episode 8, I said:
Tet was like the chain reaction phase of an A-Bomb - it's all over in 30 nanoseconds; but it takes another whole second for the enormous energy released to begin to become manifest macroscopically.
That energy should have ended the war in 1968. Instead, we got Nixon, who prolonged it for another seven years. Nixon was what nuclear weapons people call "a tamper".
Burns, Episode 7 - It's all about airtime and personalization.
Submitted by arendt on Tue, 09/26/2017 - 3:47pmThis episode dumps a lot of negative stuff all at once. While this episode finally has some useful facts, the spin is quite pronounced. When I see personal stories of undistinguished soldiers getting more airtime than the entire Phoenix Program, I feel like I am being played by professionals. Personal stories engage people and are remembered. Dry recitals of facts and statistics, images without stories, those things are quickly forgotten due to the lack of an emotional hook.
Burns, Episode 6 - Phoenix Program, what Phoenix Program? (UPDATE2: protestors)
Submitted by arendt on Sun, 09/24/2017 - 10:58pmEpisode 6 continues the complete disappearence of the CIA from Viet Nam. There is also an almost complete minimization of the technological advantage the US had, via "electronic battlefield" programs, such as Arc Light B-52 strikes. To hear Mr. Burns's version it was merely our guys with machine guns and artillery and ordinary close air support versus VC/NVA guys with their machine guns and artillery and anti-aircraft guns.
Burns, Episodes 4 and 5 - CIA, what CIA? Jasons, what Jasons?
Submitted by arendt on Fri, 09/22/2017 - 12:27pmThese two episodes are heavy on personal reminiscences of soldiers, very light on policy. Once again, not a word is spoken about the CIA. Let's dive in:
1. The Phoenix Program (also, see ADDENDUM)
We have pictures of elections in South Vietnam, but zero mention of the beginning of the infamous Phoenix Program, which began in 1967, in the time frame of these two episodes.