Optimistic About A Progressive Movement

A few days ago, on March 4, Ralph Nader posted at the Huffington Post, posing the question “What Will Many Bernie Sanders Voters Do After July ? Now, I know mentioning Ralph Nader will cause some to cringe, and some of us may even relive the horrible nightmare of the 2000 presidential election. The mention of Nader seems to always be followed by the point that he cost Vice-President Gore the 2000 election, although the bigger cause may well be the 308,000 self-described Florida “Democrats” and 191,000 self-described Florida “Liberals” that crossed party lines and voted for W.

In any event, Nader summed up his thinking in the following paragraph;

The energetic Sanders supporters, including the Millennials who voted so heavily for Bernie, could form a New Progressive movement to exercise a policy pull on the establishment Democrats before November and to be a growing magnet after November with the objective of taking over the Democratic Party starting with winning local elections. This will have long-term benefits for our country.

I bring up Nader’s article, because it brings to mind two blog posts I made at the “Great Orange Satan”, the first in 2010, the second in 2012. I had just spent a number of months immersed in material on FDR and the New Deal, which if I could make a living studying and writing on, I’d do in a heartbeat ! In the first post I made and sourced the argument that FDR himself intended that the Democratic Party become the party of Progressives, and that it would become the embodiment of the Progressive Movement. You can read this blog entry here.

The second blog entry I made in 2012 was to re-inforce the earlier point, but also to point out that PBO had already turned his back on progressives, and had by the 2010 mid-term election, October 27, 2010 to be exact, thrown progressives under the bus. It seemed at the time, that as progressives, we had once again been marginalized, hence the title Lost Between Welcoming Their Hatred and the Cold Truth. While I received a fair number of positive comments, there were also those who predictably reacted negatively to the idea that progressives needed to part ways with the Democratic establishment, as represented by DLC / Third Way.

Senator Sanders has now made this idea come to pass. My big mistake in writing in 2010 and 2012 was thinking “small”, that merely forming a Progressive Party would be sufficient to begin to effect change. Senator Sanders has clearly articulated building a movement, the goal of which is to reclaim the soul of the Democratic Party, and fulfill FDR’s vision that it would in fact become the party of progressives and progressive ideals. We can certainly debate Senator Sander’s assessment of whether PBO and the demobilization after the 2008 election was a “mistake” or a cold cynical power play, but Senator Sanders has said he will not allow this mistake to be repeated. He has advocated for building the movement. Ralph Nader’s call only serves to reinforce this notion. Hopefully there will be opportunities for the future as the movement coalesces regardless of what the outcome of the 2016 election might be.

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PubliusVergil's picture

Please go easy on me ! This is my first post here, and my first one anywhere in quite a while...

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Post one of those diaries over here at c99p, I'm not giving GOS any more traffic than they deserve.

Great post by the way.

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PubliusVergil's picture

I'm a little embarrassed to post those older diaries here. I'm afraid it would look weird and out of context just dumping them on to the site here. Your thoughts are appreciated.

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vtcc73's picture

instead of linking to them. I agree that refusing to help DK's traffic count is the right thing to do. A plunge in readership will affect his bottom line. He might get that point.

I've always made a point to tell an organization or business exactly why I find their product or service lacking. I give them a chance to remedy the situation. No drama just simple here it is, what you can do to make this right, and let them choose. I may even negotiate if I think they're acting in good faith. It is up to them to fix it or not. I may or may not return regardless but I most certainly do if they fail to make things right. I walk away when they fail. No drama, no noise and bluster, I just go. Then I make it a point to tell everyone I know my experience.

Kos' post today seems reasonable on the surface but is, as he acknowledged, only a clarification of a really shitty idea. I'll let him try to evolve a bit more before I just go. Regardless, I'll hang out here either way.

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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."

detroitmechworks's picture

But you know, it ain't a bad idea, come to think about it. If there's anybody who would piss off the corporate masters more than him, I have yet to hear it.

There is a tipping point approaching, but I have no idea what it will be. Sometimes it's just one person's story. Sometimes that story needs a little massaging to get it right, of course, not that I'll point out examples to give any Kossacks observing for posterity an opportunity to claim we're racists. (It's funny, NAMING a POC as a good example is apparently just as evil as not mentioning them at all. Amazing how that works.)

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In one of my earlier careers I was an investigative and trial paralegal for a law firm specializing in complex product liability. I got to see Ralph speak at a trial lawyers convention I was attending to assist the boss in a technology in mass torts presentation. He is a real gadfly, but I didn't get the impression he was pro-corporate, just that you never knew for sure where he might wind up on a particular issue...

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sojourns's picture

speculating upon the possibility of a new party forming out of what will be the aftermath of the current DNC when it finally implodes. And it will whether Sanders wins or not; all the quicker if he loses. The necessary ingredients are there along with the overwhelming encumbrance suffered by the existing Democrat party. The last DINO's will not go quietly into the night holding fast to their bloated sinecures. This will only foster movement for a new progressive party.

Nader is right, though I have trouble seeing that manifest effectively before this November.

I suggest this because in remembering the Occupy Wall street movement, I kept thinking-- okay, now everybody knows who everyone is, who will lead it/them? I think now, with Senator Sanders, who is off the charts with his unexpected success, is clearly the candidate for the job. Even if he loses the nomination, we still win.

Barring an overwhelming win for Sanders all the way to the White House and a chancer sore for Hillary, this is my hope.

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"The mention of Nader seems to always be followed by the point that he cost Vice-President Gore the 2000 election, although the bigger cause may well be the 308,000 self-described Florida “Democrats” and 191,000 self-described Florida “Liberals” that crossed party lines and voted for W."

I always thought it was the U.S. Supreme Court that cost Gore the election. After all, recounts done well after the fact showed that Gore actually won the Florida vote (which would have given him an electoral college win), and he certainly won the national popular vote--all this despite the best efforts of Jeb and Co. to put their thumb on the scale. We should not forget this little piece of history--Gore won. The Supreme Court reversed that, not Nader.

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polkageist's picture

So far as I know, you're correct. I am one of those people who always becomes a pariah when I say I voted for Nader. Now I just say "I never voted for a Clinton. I look upon it as a merit badge.

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People who surmise that Gore lost because of Nader are somewhat delusional.
Gore was a lousy candidate with good ideas. But in the end, he folded. His half assed fight for a recount doomed him.

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Senator Sanders has clearly articulated building a movement, the goal of which is to reclaim the soul of the Democratic Party, and fulfill FDR’s vision that it would in fact become the party of progressives and progressive ideals.

I have to admit that before Bernie I was lost as to what to do. Now I know. We don't need him to win. We needed him to get the ball rolling and he has.

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