Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Part 1 - Our Personal Disconnect

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are our longest and third longest duration wars for the United States and yet few Americans have been personally touched by them. While our second longest war, Viet Nam, was fought with draftees, these two current wars are being fought using a very scaled down, all volunteer military. This leads to the general public viewing these wars as out of sight, out of mind.

Now that I am back in NC, I am participating once again with our local Peace Vigil every Saturday from noon to 1 pm. This is their 13th year and will be my third year with them. There are times when we have some good conversations and other times when it is just hellos and waving. We had good traffic this past Saturday and one man in his mid to late fifties stopped. The first thing he asked us was what kind of reception do we get from the public. Since I have been involved, the reception we get is generally positive but according to Bill and Don, in the early days it was not so. The man then introduced himself and said that his father had been a career military officer in the Marines. I thought to myself...oh no! Then he said that his father had served in both the Korean War and in Viet Nam and that he hated war.

Actually I should not have been surprised. I had once read somewhere that most military officers want to do everything they can to keep their men out of harm's way, so I asked him about that. He said that was true of old school military men like his father, but he did not know if that was the case today. And then he said one more thing that all of us in the Peace Vigil have been saying for a long time, and that is that his father strongly believed in the draft with no exceptions. He felt that if everyone's children or grandchildren would have the potential to be put in harm's way, that decision makers of this country would be far less enthusiastic about entering more wars. As a result of that comment, I decided to find out how many members of the current House and Senate have ever served in the military. It was a surprisingly low 18% of all Congress have ever served in the military at all, much less in combat, and of that number, only 13% of the Senate.

In all, 97 members of the next session of Congress will have served in the U.S. military. That means less than 18 percent of the new congressional delegation served in the armed forces. (Note: This number includes one non-voting delegate from the Northern Marianas.)

As I was writing this, I did a search for information on how the military itself views these endless wars and came across this excellent article in the Atlantic. I found this one fact very interesting. It may explain why we are so accepting of our elected officials plunging us into war after war.

The U.S. military has about 1.4 million people on active duty and another 850,000 in the reserves.) The other 310 million–plus Americans “honor” their stalwart farmers, but generally don’t know them. So too with the military. Many more young Americans will study abroad this year than will enlist in the military—nearly 300,000 students overseas, versus well under 200,000 new recruits. As a country, America has been at war nonstop for the past 13 years. As a public, it has not. A total of about 2.5 million Americans, roughly three-quarters of 1 percent, served in Iraq or Afghanistan at any point in the post-9/11 years, many of them more than once.

We supposedly honor our military by "thanking them for their service," which I personally find to be an empty and hypocritical gesture aimed at making the person saying it feel better about him or herself, than it is about why are we sending these few people into combat time after time with no real military objective in these endless wars.

The most biting satirical novel to come from the Iraq-Afghanistan era, Billy Lynn’s Long Halftime Walk, by Ben Fountain, is a takedown of our empty modern “thank you for your service” rituals. It is the story of an Army squad that is badly shot up in Iraq; is brought back to be honored at halftime during a nationally televised Dallas Cowboys Thanksgiving Day game; while there, is slapped on the back and toasted by owner’s-box moguls and flirted with by cheerleaders, “passed around like everyone’s favorite bong,” as platoon member Billy Lynn thinks of it; and is then shipped right back to the front.

Our relationship to those whom we send into combat is very much at a distance which is why so many Americans seem to have no problem with the endless wars. We no longer have skin in the game. Our wars are being fought with someone else's kids and grandkids. A large number of Americans do not personally know anyone who has fought in these wars.

For two decades after World War II, the standing force remained so large, and the Depression-era birth cohorts were so small, that most Americans had a direct military connection. Among older Baby Boomers, those born before 1955, at least three-quarters have had an immediate family member—sibling, parent, spouse, child—who served in uniform. Of Americans born since 1980, the Millennials, about one in three is closely related to anyone with military experience.

The draft for the Viet Nam war touched nearly every American in that we all knew or were related to someone who served. It was hard to ignore the war because it was personal to most Americans. Nowadays, that simply is not the case for the majority of Americans.

These endless wars are the most visible result of the corruption in our government and they have very tragic consequences, both in the countries that we have devastated and here in the United States.

Editors note: This diary was originally written as an open thread so if the comments appear to be off topic, that is the reason.

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been going around the barn for years

good diary on the point up on REC list now. Probably won't last long.....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/15/1377781/--more-and-better-Dems#...

here is a fun segment on democracynow.org from yesterday. It features Hillary's statement about Edward, the patriot, Snowden

Glenn Greenwald points out that Snowden showed that our democracy is in peril

The segment features Robert Scheer and Joe Conason. Joe is a real jerk. Start watching at 40 minute mark.

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/4/13/debate_hillary_clinton_sounds_popu...

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I was just about to put the link to that diary up. Highly recommend that we read it.

I clearly remember reading where he was called a tea partier, so I looked at his user ID # which is only four digits. The so called "reality community" really needs a reality check as they go dreamy eyed sleep walking while they cheer lead the latest incarnation of corporatist Dems.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

I live in Columbus, OH

I have been going to saturday salons here for months, maybe a year

There are several efforts here in Columbus and efforts at the state level.

Many of these people are in the state Green Party including the head of the Green Party. The candidate for governor got 100,000 votes in the last election with an expenditure of $8,000. They got enough votes to continue to be on the ballot.

Yes that is right. A local progressive dem state rep spend $60K on a campaign and his opponent spent $600K

I got a call into Thom Hartmann a few weeks ago and I complained about the sorry state of the dem party. He told me to go out and change the party.

The series of diaries begun by praenomen here remind us of the up hill battle to fight the corporate state.

The local Green party began a book club discussion group last evening. I did not attend the Green party meeting which proceeded the book discussion (This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs the Climate) and have not attended one of their meetings, but for the first time in my life I voted Green in the last election for several candidates. The head of the party made the point that our military spending and militarism dwarfs everything else.

So, gulfgal suggest you hit the local activists of some sort and see if you can recruit others to stand on the corner with you in the Peace vigil. My mom used to go down to downtown Long Beach CA back in the 60's and 70's for a weekly peace vigil with a very small group.

For more bad news on the war front, the US is scaling up its war effort in Africa. Nick Turse who wrote the important book, terrible genocide we committed in "Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam" has a new book on the way on our war in Africa.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175981/tomgram%3A_nick_turse%2C_the_u.s....

The Green leader pointed

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and encouraging her to try to recruit more people for her weekly peace vigil

didn't end up in the place I thought it was

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younger members but so far, we have had little success.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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You hit a lot of issues in this diary, I can very much agree with and follow, and I am looking forward to read future ones from you on this subject, gulfgal. Thank You.

But I need to get something else out of my chest:

I have changed my mind a bit, in that I will come here mostly for reading, but not for attempting to write something or comment too much. I don't feel comfortable doing so. JtC, I have two OTs in the queue, they are kind of mocking and/or flat. Use them, but then I don't want to continue with it.

Yesterday in Democracy Now, there was a clip over the death of Eduardo Galeano. I highly recommend to listen to it when you have a some lazy, free time. Among many excellent stuff he said something that resonated with me:

EDUARDO GALEANO: It comes from something I heard years ago in a Mayan community in Guatemala. Somebody said, "We are children of the days. We are sons and daughters of time." And this began working inside me, and it finally resulted in this book. Each day has a story to—deserves to be told, because we are made of stories. I mean, scientists say that human beings are made of atoms, but a little bird told me that we are also made of stories. And so, each one has something to tell that deserves to be heard. And the structure of the book is the structure of a calendar: each day, one story, one story for each day.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: And, Eduardo Galeano, how did you choose the stories that you would tell for each day?

EDUARDO GALEANO: They chose me. You know, they touched my shoulder or my back, saying, "Tell me. I am a wonderful story and deserve to be diffused by you, written by you. So, please, write me." And I said, "Well, I’m so busy. No." "No, that’s an alibi. You must write me," the story said. And so I began—I ended writing the stories, and later have a very hard process of selection, trying to say more with less. And after this process, the only surviving texts or stories are the ones I feel that are better than silence. It’s a difficult competition against silence, because silence is a perfect language, the only language which says with no words.

He talked about much more in that clip and I am going to read everything from him.

“Rosa (Lusemburg) longed for a world where justice would not be sacrificed in the name of freedom, and freedom would not be sacrificed in the name of justice.

or

There are some writers who feel they are elected by God. I am not. I am elected by the devil, this is clear.

It's just not within me that stories knock at my shoulders to be told every week at a certain time. Sometimes the devil rides me and I comment in ways that are not meant to be publicly available for the next decades. Many writers are driven by the devil and that can get me mad. All that is knocking at my shoulders are books that demand to be read. May be, but just may be, they will turn into a story that absolutely wants to be told and I would try to tell it. But that is really a process I have no control over and can't foresee. And somehow they don't come every Thursday...that's for sure.

I hope you forgive me. I always enjoy learning from reading and asking questions and get kind and friendly answers. You have been - how do you say that in English - good people - good eggs - all the time. I love to be here and chat with you. For that alone, I thank you. JtC whatever is in my queue with the "Finished draft" in the title you can use, whenever you need or want. Everything else is "thoughts put into my drawer" and not to be published. Thanks.

Have all a good day.

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Up until yesterday, I had planned on writing about birds again. No Open Thread diary is lame. Your Open Thread last week was excellent but not all need to be substantive. I hope you will reconsider.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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I would be perfectly happy to see an Open Thread each morning, even if there is no story in it. Just "High and Good Morning, Here is the place you can drop anything you want to say and comes to your mind". That way people would feel they have a place to go each day to drop in their two cents about something they care. Whereas all those authors, who put effort into a diary, would post it as a diary with a meaningful title that reminds people what it is about, rather been hidden in the Open Thread. Sometimes I go back to diaries that have been written days ago, because I hadn't seen them, had no time, was distracted, overlooked them etc.

But that's just me. Heh, may be I am just too lazy? Darn. I am such pititful lying bummer.

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Yesterday morning I woke up at 6 am and logged on, realized I was responsible for the Open Thread that
morning and I had completely forgot. So I threw together a few articles, said Morning and that was that.
Took me 15 minutes.
I'll try to do better next time but it's not something we need to spend a lot of time on if we don't want to.

Now writing substantive diaries is another story. I've veered off that for now because it doesn't seem to be
worth my time. There's not enough audience and usually the more time I spend on a diary the less rec's I get.
Go figure.

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start doing Hillary Clinton photo diaries for my Open Threads. They should be quite popular. Biggrin

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clinton as devil.png

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not "H" bombs. Pooties and lolli pops and Rainbow Unicorns and Snoopy vans and Chipotle Restaurants. You know, all warm and fuzzy stuff. What are you trying to do, harsh my buzz?

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Just put some horns in there somewhere and I'll be happy.

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NCTim I think had a perfect answer in a video clip for your plans. Can't find it right now. You know the boxer, who knocked himself ko ...

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but really do we want to look at photos of Hillary's faked up Scooby Doo Iowa tour? Seems the 'ordinary people' she's talking to in coffee shops are mayors, Democratic party officials and bused in campaign workers. I know the Daily Mail is a dicey link but still .... come on as a wit at dkos said about these ordinary people at these faked event's ... 'there thespians'. Get real people this is some of the worst and most pathetic political kabuki I have ever seen. Believe me I have seen a lot having worked full time for Obama's primary campaign in 2009. My orders were do not talk policy, tell your personal story that brought you to Obama and do not bad mouth Hillary. The main rule being don't talk policy.

Campaign staff DROVE 'ordinary' Iowans to Hillary's first campaign stop - including health care 'lobbyist in training' who was an Obama campaign intern and Biden chauffeur

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040482/Campaign-staff-DROVE-ord...
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I realize this is the Daily Mail which is a tabloid rag of the worst order but after searching through 8 pages of google Hillary propoganda this is it. No way via the google search function to find out who the people in attendance were. The mayor was there and who else?

'The mayor of LeClaire was there, and his wife was there,' Bird said, recalling the scene at the coffee shop.
Price was executive director of the Iowa Democratic Party until a month ago. Clinton's team tapped him last week to be its political director in Iowa.
He did not respond to a request for comment. Bird is a government and community relations coordinator at Genesis Health System in Davenport, Iowa, according to his LinkedIn profile. A coworker at Genesis said Wednesday that Bird is 'basically a lobbyist in training. That's what he wants to do.'

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spend-on-a-diary-the-less-recs-I-get" kind of experience. Way back on gos I wrote a diary which I thought was decent, went unnoticed and I asked myself what I was writing it for. On the other hand some stupid shout out venting short thingy I wrote, got me several hundreds of comments and quite some recs and made me an outcast for a couple of people. So, that's all upside down for me.

Today I think about the process of diary writing more as a method for myself to "clear my mind about an issue", as reading alone doesn't do it for me. I have to write something out in order to be sure I understood what I was reading. So, it's more a self-help thingy for me. It's nice to get a substantive comment on it from which you learn even more. But I don't do that as a form of "activism". If I would do a photo diary or make a video of an event, that's more of helping to spread the words of activists' event happening in the real world, it's another form of helping activists. Reading, researching and pulling together thoughts in a diary format is something that helps me more than others, I believe. But I don't want to have obligations to others with those kinds of diaries.

With regards to "throwing some articles together" like you did, I think I like and prefer a possible daily "Article Thread" in which everyone could throw in the articles he/she would like to point out to. That way they would be easier to retrieve and look for at a later time. That's one reason I like the EB so much. You know what you get there, you know they relate mostly to articles of the last three days the EB is published and you can go there for some light-weight thingies as well. Very comfortable. I think the gos has "lists of articles" three times a day. Some are a collection of what you read in your News Aggregator here. They are all a bit different, but you know what you get in them. Of course, I really like the EB best for its selection, but I go sometimes in the others as well.

What do you think, would it be a good idea to have a separate daily "Article Thread" ?

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If I remember correctly, JtC said you do not have to write a story or a diary at all. Just post the Open Thread.

I am trying to use my day to force myself to write something, but that is my own idea for myself.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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that's the only thing I wanted to let you know to not disappoint anyone's expectations of me, if someone might have had them.

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enjoy and look forward to your comments. You may have a slightly different perspective in your comments which imo makes a really good addition to this site's threads. What can we do to make you feel comfortable commenting? I love your comments they make me reflect and think, another view point is not only welcomed but needed. I have no interest in a lock step mentality and I'm sure most of us here are just as lost as you are as far as how and what to do about the both politics and how to deal with this 'world as we find it'. Are we too far leftie for you or is it just too intense? I too am an emotional type and do not mean to be off putting with my hot headed flaming liberal opinions. I also have a stack of reading that I should get to. On the other hand your voice as it is is quite articulate and being a wonk doesn't necessarily give you anymore incite as far as looking at the world and voicing your opinion. I would miss you in the conversations if you stop commenting so please think about just being yourself and joining in. you have more to offer then you think. I wish for my sake that you could make yourself easy here and feel free to express whatever you think or feel.

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but I think I can't resist from commenting and will always have to let out something. Diary writing is hard for me. May be tomorrows Open Thread will show it. I am feeling very comfortable here. It has nothing to do with this site or how people respond to me. Really. Thank you for your kind words.

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Do not do any diaries at all if that makes you comfortable. Please don't worry. We just want you to be here and to participate in whatever way is comfortable for you. No pressure, no expectations. Just you.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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The master plan was to provoke the west into cannibalizing itself. Bin Laden understood the American political psyche better then they understand themselves.

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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -

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from the comfort of his lounge in davy jones' locker.

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At this point I'm so paranoid and dubious and skeptical of 'reality' that I just don't know. Something fishy about that whole special forces horror show. Wow Obama killed Goldstein and got that big notch on his killing gun. I do remember that during the Bush years each video of Bin Laudin from his cave they released looked faker and faker. Who knows and who cares just another CIA creation that went bad. Now Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is the new baddie we gotta get. Or did we get him already? I remember also the pack of cards of these terrorists at large. Hard to know if the CIA or just our invading, occupying, killing, destruction, imprisoning and torturing creates these monsters. Are they real? Maybe but I think his stint in Camp Bucca Iraq might just have pissed this dude off. Bin Laudin was a CIA tool we deployed in Charley's War to fight the Russians no good nicks. Like Bush the younger a black sheep psycho scion of the Saudi ruling family a CIA tool who went rogue. Well enough of my CT meandering but still nothing is as presented by our own masters who make their own reality. Blowback is a bitch. As far as a storyline goes this one has some major flaws and holes that make suspension of belief impossible.

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and world militarism, along with the accompanying wars.

Yesterday we were discussing how to form and organize a movement and examples were given relative to using
the movement to put pressure on politicians by affecting elections or working together to stop the TPP.
Again, U.S. imperialism, wars, and world militarism weren't mentioned. The TPP is important, stopping Rand Paul
from getting elected is a thing to do, but world imperialism and militarism must be stopped, it infects everything else.
The only issues on par in my opinion are world wealth inequality and global private central banking.
I'd put climate change in there but I have different views from most on here. It's not that I don't agree the climate is
changing, it's that I'm not convinced of the reasons for it. In the case of climate change however, I'm all for the
same remedies being proposed by those who firmly believe it's caused by humans regardless of what I think the
causes are.

I've seen the same thing at Popular Resistance as far as priorities go. They'll focus on all sorts of issues from the TPP to
student loans to climate change but U.S. imperialism and militarism always gets the short straw. Compared to 2002/2003 when
left activists focused on trying to stop the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, this time period is for major activism seems to be
very discombobulated.

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is a better fit for these times. Our first big OWS march here was billed as both a peace march and an economic justice march. I think the connectivity of 'all sorts of issues' is becoming apparent to many of us. No Peace No Justice was one of my favorite OWS chants as well as
How to fix the deficit
Stop the Wars Tax the Rich

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I see it as a way to connect with people face to face and to have the conversations. Many people are shocked when we give them the cost figures for just Iraq and Afghanistan. Like a lot of other things, it starts locally. The more people who are armed with correct information, the more people will be angry at how we are being fleeced and what is being done in our names. They have been sold the scare stories and that is a difficult hurdle to overcome.

One thing we avoid is preaching morality because it makes people uncomfortable and creates a barrier to communication. We want the conversations first and foremost.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Respect. Walking the walk.

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we were chatting the other evening about this

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