trump needs to stfu

about guns.

He told supporters his rival wanted to "destroy your second amendment" - referring to the right to own guns.

clinton is directly responsible for the largest arms deal in history. hillary's going to take your guns right after dick cheney's heart pumps a liter of johnny walker green through his system.

the second amendment is not an issue in this election. people need to deal with that. exactly nothing is going to be done about gun buyers' loopholes, exactly nothing is going to be done about weapons on the street. to believe anything else is a pipe dream.

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with both sides slamming each other because they haven't enough positives of their own. (Trump may be offering moonshine and spiderwebs, but at least he's stating some definite goals. The Shill? Nada. Hate Trump, fear Trump, fear Putin, fear Russia, fear fear fear. Blum 3 )

They both suck, and I won't vote for either one. Blum 3

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i'm lucky enough to have stein on the ticket in a purple state, and you're god damn right i'm voting green.

it just annoys me that this is even a line of attack in this election, maybe i'm feeling some empathy for trump voters. they're voters like all of us, after all.

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If you want to understand the mindset of the right on 2nd Amend, I will give you a response, but mind you, I am not going to argue or defend it, but I will give you an explanation, being an adamant supporter of the 2nd Amendent myself, I get it.

Let's start with this, because you need to understand the context:

#1) Hillary is bat shit fucking crazy, a chillingly cold sociopathic murderer with the blood of millions on her hands for illegal war and "allegedly" hundreds given the list body bag "suspicious deaths" (vince foster to seth rich to john ashe, etc etc etc.) is paranoid delusional, is a pathological serial liar, is a power hungry authoritarian that will stop at nothing to seize and maintain power, and who knows that a significant portion of the populace despise her, and she believes she is a member of an elite superior group who are above the law and can do whatever they want and impose their will with impunity on the populace, and in fact, she even has a messiah complex and believes knows better than the populace what is good for "them" ... so, Hillary does "WANT" to take those guns away from the populace because the fact that the populace is armed to the teeth deathly frightens her because it makes that populace much harder to control through her only tool which is fear;

Now, yes, admittedly...
#2) Hillary cut arms deals for billions into her family's Clinton "Foundation" money laundering Arkansas Mafia Crime Syndicate, selling arms to other members of her elite superior group, to maintain the status quo of perpetuating the authoritarian control of the populace in foreign countries, this doesn't mean she supports "right to bear arms for the populace" .... no, she absolutely does not, I would assert.

And, as we all have seen this past season...
#3) Hillary has an extreme corrupt powerful influence in US politics and can get things done that others cannot, using outright threats and intimidation and blackmail, and a list of body bags "suspicious deaths" a mile long going back 30 years to back it up;

And last, but not least...
#4) Did I mention that Hillary was a bat shit crazy chillingly cold murdering sociopath? Well, given the fact Hillary is a bat shit crazy chillingly cold murdering sociopath, it shouldn't be hard to imagine that Hillary will use whatever means necessary to manipulate and control the populace, and to manipulate and control the media narrative, to get them to go along with her agenda, even if that includes arranging "false flag" mass shootings to institute fear of guns in the populace.

And if you are wondering why such "Conspiracy Conjecture" has traction, don't wonder, given photos and stories like this are floating around which give a rather frightening credence to this "conjecture"

Picture Of Orlando Killers Dad Visiting Clinton’s Office Surfaces

The father of the Orlando shooter turns out to have been a frequent visitor to Hillary Clinton’s office at the State Department, according to newly released pictures

Seddique Mateen, pictured above, is also a candidate for President of Afghanistan.

Powderedwigsociety.com reports:

This is a little disturbing. Remember Amed Mohamed and the exploited islamic opportunism with 14-year-old “clock boy” bomb hoax from Irving Texas and how his father was running for political office in Sudan?

Well, apparently 29-year-old terrorist Omar Mateen (below left) comes from a similarly engaged political family and his father, Seddique Mateen (below right), was/is running for national office in Afghanistan and not happy with the government of Pakistan.

Mr. Seddique Mateen the political candidate is also a prolific user of social media and has reams of U-Tube footage broadcasting his political ideology.

And more recent incidents like this:
Orlando shooter's father attends Clinton rally

And then there is this:
Obama Administration and UN Announce Global Police Force to Fight ‘Extremism’ In U.S.

THAT is why Trump's rhetoric with regards to Hillary's Anti 2nd Amendment agenda gains traction with the populace. So, if you are harboring any serious belief that your anti-2nd Amendment counter-meme will gain traction, I seriously doubt it, you are wasting your breath, because no, Trump won't STFU about this any time soon, nor will his supporters want him to, in fact, they love him for saying what they all believe, and given the evidence, they might not be wrong. Again, we are talking about what Hillary "WANTS" ... and if you ask Bill Clinton (or James Comey)__ "What Hillary wants, Hillary gets."

And let me reiterate, I am not here to defend or argue this conjecture, I am merely explaining why your "Trump STFU about 2nd Amnd" meme will never gain any traction with the populace, most especially not with the conservative populace, and definitely not when you deceptively misdirect Trump's comments, which are about what Hillary "wants" for the populace of this nation, with what Hillary has "done" with foreign dictators in exchange for billions of dollars in bribes, the two really have nothing at all to do with each other and do not prove your point at all, in fact, this only makes you seem less credible.

Trump's rhetoric gains traction because he is telling the truth about Hillary's crimes and Hillary's agenda and on Hillary's failings in simple straight-forward brutally honest candidate "matter of fact" terms, like when he was the first one to say, "Hillary had a private email server to hide her corrupt Clinton Foundation pay-to-play deals." How come Bernie never said that? How come no one in congress said that? Everyone knows it? I mean, it is rather obvious, but no one took the time, or had the courage, to say it, outright. This is why they love him, and this is why even people like me, a liberal #BernieOrBust progressive, loves him. He is saying what needs to be said, and he has the power of the media bullypulpit, and he is using it, rather deftly. You are spitting in the wind if you think you can fight Trump's masterful control of the media narrative and viral memes, he truly is a master at that game, and David Brock and all of his minions can't hold candle-stick to him.
It really is a joy to behold. Smile

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Crooked Hillary wants to take your 2nd Amendment rights away. Will guns be taken from her heavily armed Secret Service detail? Maybe not!

You see, even his short comment/meme here is subtly subliminally actually referring to Hillary's arms deals with foreign dictators, because, in other words, "Hillary's heavily armed Secret Service detail" is, by inference, those foreign dictators who ALSO have "heavily armed Secret Service detail?" .... so, what is good for the goose, is NOT good for the gander, as far as Hillary is concerned, because she believes HER people should have guns, but the populace should not. Again, Trump really is a master of this game, because he is being honest, and while some of what Trump says is not PC, and inflames some people, there is always a measure of truth and candid honesty in his rhetoric, and THAT is why his memes go viral and gain traction and dominate the media narrative. Because, at the end of the day, the populace really does respond to truth, which is why Bernie had so many people show up passionately at his rallies, and is why Trump is ALSO having so many people passionately show up at his rallies. The populace knows. They really are not as stupid as they have been portrayed, at least, not today, not with the advent of the internet, at least.

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and it resonates with people. He doesn't speak like a politician, and in doing so he wiped the floor with his republican competitors. I like that he has the balls to say things about Clinton (and other politicians) that no one else will say. She is crooked, she lies and lies and lies. When Trump says Obama and Clinton created IS, there is truth in that, Trump just doesn't take the truth all the way down the rabbit hole to the Regan administration. She wants a confrontation with Russia. Trump wants to work with Russia. As far as the 2nd amendment, many people want the right to bear arms because they don't trust the government and why should they, DNC rigged the primary election against Bernie, the NSA continues to spy on all americans our police forces are militarized, Obama administration gives Hillary a pass when clearly there is enough evidence to indict her. That being said I will be voting for Jill.

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Those are my memes.

I love Stein and while I am supporting Trump here, I also do support Stein. Green Party is our future, I believe this 100%. For me, due to Hillary's corrupt power, Trump is a necessary step because he has the power to deal with Hillary's corruption, head on. And, I am defending Trump here, in our liberal progressive community, only because I think he needs to be defended from Hillary's Propaganda bs memes in our liberal progressive community, not because I don't also support Stein, I do, but she hardly needs to be defended or promoted in this community.

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my attempt here was not to create/perpetuate a "bs progressive meme"... based on trump's comments over the last couple of days. i really don't think hillary has any intentions toward the second amendment, one way or the other. you seem to really believe she's going to come for your guns. that's fine, folks swore up and down that obama would do the same thing. that's fine too. wrong, but hey, believe what you want to believe.

believe it or not, my post was suggesting he stfu about hillary coming fer yer gunz! because it makes him look like an idiot, which is counterproductive. i'll be voting for stein, and i wish i could believe she had a chance, but i sure as fuck don't want to see clinton elected. no more dynasties.

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and I don't own a gun, and I'm a liberal,'but I do understand the mindset of the conservative 2nd amend folks, because I do support the 2nd amend. Now, you can speculate about what Hillary wants, and they can speculate about what Hillary wants, but at the end of the day, it's still speculation. Neither of you is the authority. And further, it doesn't even matter what Hillary herself says, because we all know Hillary is a liar. So, your suggestion for Trump to STFU about this is, with all due respect, out of line, because their speculation just might be accurate. You don't know. You can't know. Trump may be right. And further, given the evidence and facts I've identified, there is a logical rational reasonable case to be made that Trump is right.

And Hillary is not Obama, so any comparison between the two is inappropriate.

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a reasonable argument that he's just tossing unnecessary meat to the frothy end of his base, and it's possible (sarah palin's crosshairs, anyone?) that such claims could wind up driving just one gun nut right over the edge. i find it hard to stomach that such advice is out of line.

i agree that it really doesn't matter what clinton says, because the president is never going to be in a position to "come fer yer gunz!" such a thing would require at the very least a supreme court revamping of the current understanding of the second amendment, plus laws being enacted by both houses of congress. (ed: plus the states falling in line, which is a laugh...) clinton can say whatever she wants (by the way, nothing about "comin' fer yer gunz!" yet) and she still isn't going to be able to do shit to employ such measures.

given the history of the right wing carping about "comin fer yer gunz!" and the complete capitulation of obama, even when it came to closing, say, the gun show loopholes, what makes you think that clinton would be so serious about such a thing? how many mass murders with specific weapons happened under obama with zero effect to policy? where's the gun-control-is-a-must in the democratic party platform?

i own a gun. i actually own multiple guns, crossing the spectrum from multiple .22 target pistols to a 9mm desert eagle, a couple of rifles and my grandfather's double-barreled 12 gauge, and let's talk about how this type of rhetoric has affected gun owners who are not NRA nuts. a brick (500 rounds) of .22 ammo used to be $6-8 at kmart. right now you can buy no more than one box! of 250 rounds of .22 ammo at the local fleet farm for ~$30. this is because the people trump is speaking to, the "comin fer yer gunz!" types, have been buying up pallets of .22, 9mm, 5.56mm, 7.62mm and any other widely used ammo and stockpiling it. they've been buying ar-15s like candy, because of idiotic paranoia that isn't borne out by any kind of history, current events or future platforms; it's driven by doomsday rhetoric like "comin fer yer gunz!". do you think feeding such a movement with this rhetoric will end well? aside from being a major inconvenience to something that used to be a regular hobby for me, personally, i don't see anything good about stoking paranoia for no reason, because some people are fucking nuts.

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Well, let me begin by repeating that I am not going to defend or argue "their" position because it's not "my" position. However, I provided several pieces of evidence and the context of their positions that substantiates that they do have "some" reason. For starters, you are speaking as if Hillary is not bat shit fucking crazy, etc etc etc ... I don't see any point in repeating the points I've made, when you can reread my #1, #2, #3, #4 points above. And again, this is not my position, it's theirs. But I do get why they are concerned and while you may not respect their concerns and you may not believe their concerns are reasonable, I do respect their concern, and given the facts I've listed, I can not say they do not have justifiable reasonable cause to be concerned. So, no, I don't think the meme for Trump to STFU re 2nd Amend is gonna gain any traction with the populace, because, well, to put it bluntly, you don't get to tell people what they should or should not be concerned about, most certainly not when we are talking about Hillary Clinton, because, as I've noted, she is bat shit crazy.

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clinton is "bat shit fucking crazy". bought and paid for and owned, sure. career politician starting as a lawyer, sure. dangerous? clearly.

but crazy? i don't think she fits any sort of definition of the word. cold and calculating sounds a bit more correct to me. i'm happy to agree to disagree.

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what you believe is, quite frankly, irrelevant here. We are discussing what the populace believes, what many believe, what the conservative populace believes, and by and large, many believe that she is mentally unstable, irrational, paranoid delusional, ie: "bat shit crazy" .... with murdering sociopathic statements like, "we came, we saw, he died, hahahaha" and the Bosnia Sniper Fire, and the stories of her emotional melt down explosions of anger and rage, and evidence of "false flags" and "war crimes resulting in the death of over a million" and "body bags/ suspicious deaths going back 30+ years", etc etc etc... So here you are trying to tell Trump and his fans to STFU about 2nd Amend because YOU don't think she is bat shit crazy, but THEY do? As I said, you really don't get to tell people what to think or what to be concerned about, and to do so is, I respectfully suggest, out of line. I mean, you are telling people to STFU, because YOU don't believe they have a valid concern, and the reason you use in this essay is because she supported arms deals to foreign dictators, the logic of which is not even sound, because the two subjects are not related. And when I explain that we are dealing with an irrational lady, you respond by giving me an argument that presumes that she is a rational lady. So, the crux of your argument is that people should STFU about their concerns because Hillary is not paranoid delusional sociopathic irrational (aka "bat shit crazy")?

Again, I am only commenting on your essay so that you understand THEIR mindset and why your "STFU" meme will probably not gain any traction with them, and why, to them, your comment is probably viewed as "out of line." Look, I am just trying to give you a respectful sounding board, so that you are not speaking in the insulated bubble of a liberal echo chamber. I have friends and relatives who are conservative Republicans, so I understand their mindset, and since they do not participate in this c99 forum, I am taking the time to explain how I think they would react to your essay. Again, I am not here to "argue or debate" THEIR positions, I am merely explaining WHY they feel the way they do and why they respond to Trump the way that they do. They have logical points that I, myself, cannot say is entirely wrong. I have already taken the time to share some of their reasons with you, so I hope now you can better appreciate why telling people to STFU might actually not be the best approach.

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i'm telling trump to stfu about the second amendment because a) it makes him look like he's pandering to a potentially dangerous fringe and b) there's really nothing in history that the dems have honestly pushed for as far as taking your guns away. it is unnecessary, it makes him look even more frothy, and it's going to drive away center-left leaning independents who wouldn't vote for clinton otherwise. nowhere did i say that it had anything to do with whether or not clinton is "bat shit crazy", i simply disagreed with your assertion that she is. clinton is shit in public, she doesn't know what to do with herself, and she says and does stupid things. this is reflected in her campaign, and it's an old story. that doesn't mean she's fucking nuts, and betting on her being fucking nuts is a pretty dangerous proposition.

again, it's not a fucking meme. not any more than your "comin' fer yer gunz" is a fucking meme. matter of fact, your "meme" has been running circles around the internet since 2007 and beyond, and what has it come to? absolutely fucking nothing. people still feel the need, however, to bellow it from the rooftops. i have very little empathy for such people, because they've been proven wrong by history.

you are absolutely arguing and debating "their position", as well as twisting my statements and jamming words in my mouth, and this conversation is over.

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This is about what the conservative populace believes, and what many in the general populace believes, not just conservatives.

i'm telling trump to stfu about the second amendment because a) it makes him look like he's pandering to a potentially dangerous fringe and b) there's really nothing in history that the dems have honestly pushed for as far as taking your guns away. it is unnecessary, it makes him look even more frothy, and it's going to drive away center-left leaning independents who wouldn't vote for clinton otherwise. nowhere did i say that it had anything to do with whether or not clinton is "bat shit crazy",

He is "speaking" to people who support the 2nd Amendment, and the 2nd Amendment cuts across all segments, conservative, liberal, and centrist, so I really don't see that comment as losing him any votes.

You mention "nothing in history that the dems..." but we are not talking about the history of the "dems" we are talking about the history of Hillary, just like we are not talking about the history of Obama, again, we are talking about the history of Hillary, so mentioning the history of "dems" and mentioning the history of what Obama did not do, does not prove anything about what Hillary wants. You are attempting to normalize Hillary by grouping her with Obama and dems from history, but Hillary is NOT "normal" and she is NOT "rational" .... so she is unlike the dems and unlike Obama, given her irrational emotionally unstable behavior.

Now, you can repeat your believe that Hillary is "rational" (which is the crux of your argument) till you're blue in the face, and you can attempt to normalize her by grouping her with Obama and "dems from history," however when there are videos that provide graphic evidence that the lady has deep psychological problems, I really don't think anyone will believe you over what they can see with their own eyes.

The lady in this video is a sociopathic murderer:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmIRYvJQeHM]

The lady in this video is a pathological liar:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GcW_ioWi9M]

The lady in this video is a psychotic war criminal:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wyCBF5CsCA]
She gave this speech without even bothering to read the intelligence briefing, and it has been defended by her surrogates who say that she only supported the war so that people wouldn't think she was "weak." Do you understand how psychotic that is? Or at the very least, do you understand why the populace believes her to be psychotic, even though you don't? Given these examples, and a legion of other examples, (from the body bags of "suspicious deaths" to the email server to the Clinton Foundation Arkansas Crime family syndicate pay-to-play arms deals, and racketeering and alleged drug deals, etc etc etc) do you really not understand that many do believe she is psychotic? Or what about the rumors of the Secret Service personnel who tell of her explosive irrational vindictive temper? Now, you may still not see this, but you must at least appreciate that many who review those facts and her history believe that she has no mental grasp on the ramifications of her statements or actions, i.e.: psychotic, mentally unstable .... bat shit fucking crazy.

And yet you attempt to normalize her?

I don't think your argument is sound.

I am not arguing their position, I am explaining it, because I understand their position, and it appears as if you do not seem to understand their position, because (a) you are ignoring their concerns and (b) you are using unsound logic. Truth is, I think you are making the situation worse by doing this, and that is why I am taking the time to explain THEIR position. Again, I am not a conservative gun owner, but I do understand their concerns and I cannot say they are unfounded, given Hillary's psychotic paranoid delusional unstable irrational sociopathic mental state. I shudder to imagine what Hillary will do if she is put in office. Now, again, I am not a gun owner, so she won't be coming for "my" guns, but I really don't know what insane plans she has. And don't bother telling me about how the government and laws work in this country, not after Hillary rigged the primary election "in broad daylight" and not a single person in Congress or the White House said a damn thing about it. Laws clearly do not apply to Hillary Clinton, as we saw with Comey and Lynch covering for her treason.

And you think Trump should STFU about how dangerous Hillary is?

I am sorry, but your STFU meme will not fly with the populace, not in light of Hillary's transgressions, which really is the heart and soul of all of Trump's memes about Hillary, because all of them, from what I can tell, are basically true. And memes that carry a message of truth propagate.
TO WIT: These are the messages / memes I am hearing from Trump about Hillary, and they all ring as true to me:
From the "Hillary Founded ISIS" to "Hillary Lies" to "Hillary is Crooked" to "Hillary Committed Treason" to "Hillary is Weak" to "Hillary's Policies have made US Weak" to "Hillary has Poor Judgement" to "Hillary wants to take your guns" ... And so, yeah, when I look at Hillary, and Trump makes his statement about her, I can't say he is wrong, in fact, his statement rings to me as probably true. I do think she "wants" to take away guns. I don't know if she can accomplish this, but the fact that there is strong evidence that she is bat shit crazy, I would not be surprised if she tries, if she becomes President. But again, I am not a gun owner, so it doesn't affect me personally, but if she did try, who knows what might happen. Trump is predicting that if she becomes President it will rip this nation apart, and I can't say that he is wrong, because, as I said, Hillary is bat shit crazy, and I am afraid of what her actions will cause, both within our nation and outside. I believe, she is the one with the real tyrant dictator characteristics / history, not Trump. Trump may be saying things that are inflammatory and not PC, but he is not a war monger and he does not have a list of body bag "suspicious deaths" going back 30 years, Hillary does. But you think she is as normal and sane as Obama and other Dems in history, therefore, you want Trump to STFU and not discuss the dangers of what Hillary's psychotic deranged paranoid "wants" might be?

Sorry, but I don't think you telling Trump to STFU about Hillary's insanity is an effective strategy. Better strategy would be to just put Hillary in an institution and remove her from the picture. Hillary is a threat to this nation, and all that Trump is doing is pointing it out, and that is why the populace is responding to him positively. But you think his rhetoric is losing him votes, even though he is telling the truth, but I'm not seeing that, I am seeing him gaining votes, by telling the hard to hear and sometimes shocking truth.

And yes, when you post an essay with the phrase "STFU" , it is, by definition, a "meme" ... any statement or phrase posted on the internet is, by definition, a meme.

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"superficial"

it was kind of long, but it certainly didn't carry much weight.

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It works by a sample of my road, if one looks at house and property size (which I do, sigh) it's the smaller dumpy properties with the Repeal SAFE signs. SAFE was NY's act to ban assault weapons purchase after Sandy Hook.

Maybe those who have the sign up (visible on any rural road in my area of NY) are simply putting it up as a cheap version of ADT or another home security measure. But I figure there are weapons in that house. It does advertise for any potential gun thieves Hit Here. To me. I would have pause before knocking at the front door at those places, myself.

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probably right, a lot of people with guns like to advertise the fact, which i think is fairly stupid as well. it means that anyone that decides to break into your house knows you're armed, and is ready and willing to kill you for whatever they're looking for.

i seriously doubt those are the only gun owners, though. you've got to consider how many people own guns for whatever reason and choose not to advertise it at all. i'd like to think that the majority of firearms owners in the country fall into this demo. i'm one of them, i'm all for better gun laws and i don't identify myself as a gun owner any more than i identify myself as a cellphone owner. it's inconsequential, and nobody needs to know about it for some pretty good reasons.

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