and DailyKos are all quick to jump on the "Putin did it" bandwagon. Last night I was watching PBS and they had a Russian expert on that at least interjected a little sanity into it. She said she didn't believe Putin did it and believes it very possible that a nationalist group did it, with nationalism currently being prevalent in Russia, some groups being very extreme.

you know, the kind the postman brings every once in awhile and you toss it immediately.

tell me that the Declaration of Independence is just a declaration of war against Britain. It has "no more legal standing today than the declaration of war against Germany and Japan during WWII."

This was in response to bobswern's diary about the black site that exists in Chicago right now. In reference to that black site, where people are detained without record and tortured, I quoted the part of the Declaration where it said that "when any government becomes destructive of these ends (protecting inalienable rights) it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it."

People immediately told me the Declaration was a legally irrelevant document, and meant no more than any declaration of war by any nation on any other.

Note how everything is immediately taken back to what's legal, not what's right, and questions of tradition, culture, and what America purported to be are deemed entirely irrelevant. Further, and most importantly of all, the fact that the Declaration was held to justify America's existence as a separate legal entity from Britain based on certain value statements is totally thrown out, along with the values articulated there

So we separated from Britain just because we felt like it, and the statements of individual rights and the theories of government espoused by Jefferson in that document are nothing but meaningless garbage-in particular, the one I quoted about how people were justified in changing their system of government if it became abusive of their rights.

All this in the context of a black site being operated by the cops in the middle of America's third largest city.

This just goes to show me that I'm right (if a little late to the game) in my sense of how vitally important culture is. When they called it a culture war, they really meant it. They intended to gut it (mostly done), prevent it from being re-established (in process) and erase its memory from existence (that's the project of the moment.) And these bozos on DK are helping the PTB do just that.

I actually hope they are getting paid for it. It would be easier to understand.

that whenever a government becomes destructive of such ends, it is the right of the People to alter or abolish it.

that was enough. Man who needs to hear boner sucks and Obama care is just the greatest thing ever. It's the freaking Heritage Foundations plan. long live the Insurance Industry monopoly cause they are the only way to access to health care you can get. So pay those premiums and sign up or else you will die. Endless forever war? you betcha it's inevitable. Banksters oh no's we cant stop them or we'll all go over fiscal cliffs of mass destruction. Rand Paul and Dennis Kucinich are both evil dudes just like Putin. They are the enemies of the state of our sick perverted messed up Union. Needless to say I shut the damn thing down and went elsewhere to get my daily dose of fear and loathing. all; things will pass and I hope that dkos and all the propaganda catapulted over the net just gets shot down with a good dose of reality based sane humanistic truth. Hey a woman can dream no?

you're back hangin' out, shaz.