Political strategies for our times
The Inside-Outside Strategy
One of the persistent failings of what passes for "Left" organization in this country is that it has no inside-outside strategy. When the Democrats finally tell the "Left" that it has nowhere else to go, and asks said "Left" the magic question: what are you going to do about it, vote for Republicans? -- that is where said "Left" will appear not to have prepped any answer at all, and quite on purpose.
It is in such a light that we should consider the plight of Our Revolution Los Angeles. Having been disowned by the national organization, Our Revolution Los Angeles has now issued this Tweet: "After much deliberation, we have unfortunately decided to part ways with MPP..." I really don't know what the gossip is behind ORLA's decision to part ways with MPP, and would appreciate being filled in. Readers should, though, remember that Our Revolution Los Angeles was the organization which got the ball rolling with the Movement for a People's Party.
Reading this has caused me to revisit my support for a Movement for a People's Party. I supported the Movement for a People's Party, and I did so not really caring a whole lot about what it stood for. I did, however, insist that it not be just another party of neoliberal social climbers, which is in fact what the Democratic Party and Republican Party elites are. The point of the Movement for a People's Party was that it would give the "Left" in this country a solid answer to the question: "so what are you going to do about it, vote for Republicans?" -- the answer being "we're going to vote for People's Party candidates." Of course, to be able to voice that answer in any convincing way, there needs to be a People's Party. The point of a People's Party, for me at least, was not to replace the Democrats, nor some simple goal of "victory" the naysayers were always parroting was "unattainable," but rather to give ordinary voters an alternative to having to vote for them, however reluctantly, when push came to shove. (The Green Party can be considered as having seriously retreated from that role back in 2004, for reasons related in this article.) The idea was, then, that the People's Party was to fit into what we should call the inside-outside strategy. We work both inside and outside the Democratic Party, and between the two efforts we will win.
I am arguing this: We should, then, support both Democrats who take our wishes to survive seriously, and alternative parties when the Democrats don't take our wishes to survive seriously. What the People's Party actually stands for, in that regard, is something that should be decided democratically, so as to give everyone a feeling of participating in decisionmaking. (My guess is that what would win would look more or less like what they've proclaimed so far, which is the Bernie Sanders agenda.) But it's not the most important thing.
At this point I want to ask the membership of Our Revolution Los Angeles: "okay, so what's next?" For now, it appears, most of America is going to sit back and trust in the Democratic Party to "do the right thing," regardless of its rather inadequate history in that regard, simply because the alternative is to trust in a Republican Party currently in thrall to the Trump cult. That's an inadequate strategy. But, hey, if people (I will not name names) want to barge onto my Facebook profile and call the Movement for a People's Party "Jimmy Dore's grift," then maybe I want to think of them as twits, while wondering at the same time if the Movement for a People's Party really does have its act together.
Dual Power
Now, if you trust Wikipedia, "dual power" was originally a concept of Lenin, to describe the situation in Russia after the February Revolution of 1918, in which two opposing systems of governance existed side-by-side in Russia, competing for power. But, no, one doesn't have to be a Leninist to believe in any sort of dual power system. At the bottom of the Wikipedia article, you can see, there is a discussion of "use by libertarian socialists." The basic idea is as follows: don't like the government? Start your own. It's the notion put into practice by a faction of the Kurds, the Zapatistas, and to some extent Occupy. ROAR Magazine has put together a "dual power reading list" which you should all read.
Perhaps the most interesting of these libertarian socialists is Murray Bookchin. Here's a good summary:
Dual power refers to a bifurcation of political authority between the democratic and self-directed institutions of the broad working class and the governing institutions of capitalist society, leading to a struggle for popular legitimacy. This challenge will arise directly from the power of popular organizations as alternative governing institutions which can supplant the present system. In Bookchin’s conception of dual power, its primary institutional form is decision-making by popular assemblies. These assemblies are intended to form vast federations and federations of federations, so as to hollow out and overthrow the capitalist state.
I think Extinction Rebellion had something like this in mind. You can see, at any rate, how politics would be improved by a dual power strategy -- it would take a lot of voluntary effort to create popular assemblies, whereas surrender to the will of the all-powerful Two-Party System of Neoliberal Social Climbers via the universal voting apparatus is easy and supported in full-throat fashion by the mass media. I wonder what would make it a less distant fantasy for my community? I'm sure there will be no end of disasters, "natural" and otherwise, coming down the pipeline, ascribed to the usual causes (capitalism, climate change) which will make a dual power arrangement look really good in the future.
Comments
" So who ya gonna vote for"?
I answer this with Richard Nixon, he was to the left of todays democrats
by far and away.
The fact that he's dead only means he can't stab us in the back.
Win/win.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
So MPP is Astroturf?
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I doubt it.
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
ORLA had parted ways with ORN
because the National OR and Democratic Party leaders clearly were not actually supporting Progressives.
From a July 2020 post by ORLA titled Our Revolution Has Abandoned Their LA Chapter as a Means of Silencing Dissent
Apparently the ORN threats, infiltration and subterfuge prevailed over those in ORLA who actually believed in the ORN mission statement.
“The story around the world gives a silent testimony:
— The Beresovka mammoth, frozen in mud, with buttercups in his mouth…..”
The Adam and Eve Story, Chan Thomas 1963
Right -- and I linked to that too --
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
All this infighting
finger pointing and profiling is taking away purpose from any type of movement
in the direction of unified resistance. Why can not the people see we have to
work together for positive change? Rhetorical.
question everything
It would help to know --
The memo I linked states some general complaints -- specific ones would be nice.
what exactly is going on with the Movement for a People's Party that makes it toxic, as of Sunday, to Our Revolution Los Angeles."A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
you've used both
Movement for a Peoples Party and Movement for a Political Party; are they two discrete entities?
your link to the memo made me laugh aloud and say: 'o, if the Great Lord Chomsky endorses thie Inside-Outside strategy...!
he and his homies also cancelled Howie Hawkins/Angela Walker: Vote biden! Cornell West the MPP said either endorses or is part of the group also: Vote Biden!
but the inside-outside strategy assumes that one would know which Progressive Dems to support/vote for. how? candidates vying for higher office say what they support, but how does one know if it will be so...once they're elected?
many 'Progressive' D 'socialists' don't vote as they virtue signal, esp. on twitter, o they? is the MPP anti-imperial, anti-war, or do they mainly concern themselves with domestic policy as bernie sanders did? still does, i guess. (i never supported him his FP really sucked, imo.
anyway, an interesting topic for certain; thanks.
No that's a brain fart.
So what do you think? Are Americans incapable of voting strategically? Or is it that the nice liberals with the big egos have them sheepdogged into the Democratic Party every time and so we had to endure six years of the Obama-Biden-Clinton-Kaine Bargain Sale for Republican Buyers Only (political offices 100% off!) because the nice liberals with big egos were totally fixated on polishing that (D) image and especially that omigod First Black President image?
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
ach; i see. it vass
joost a small Freudian zlip, then. Vood you like to speak more about it?
Srsly, i've raised my concerns about inside-outside strategy, but as to this Q:
Are Americans incapable of voting strategically?
ha ha ha ha! most amerikans are low-information voters, and get their candidate info from their teevee news, whether MSDNC, the ClintonNewsNetowork (h/t ajamu baraka), NewsMax, or Fox News.
wasn't there a study demonstrating that most USians vote with these Qs in mind: 'who would you rather have a beer with?' and/or 'who would you trust walking your dog?'.
but sure, your final paragraph has merit, but you forgot to add: The Democrat Party: where all good social movements go to die!"
WE KNEEL for Nine minutes for George Floyd! ; )
anyhoo, at least you're working toward a goal you can believe it, and good on you.
MPP Is a Protest, Not a Political Party
MPP is a bunch of wishful thinking that Nick Brana put together following the 2016 presidential election, when we still hoped Bernie was more than a sheepdog. MPP isn't bringing in any non-voters or populists from the right - they're just poaching disaffected "progressive" Dems. They'll never have the support or ideological unity to be more than a potential spoiler, and even that's doubtful after the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" propaganda the Dem base swallowed whole in 2020. Read this article at wsws.org for a more thorough takedown.
Doesn't matter.
Perhaps you'd be more interested in "dual power" ideas?
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
MPP Coalition Lacks the Will
We need people and a party willing to burn their ships on the beach like Cortez did. Anything less, and the establishment will roll right over us (again). Dems will never share power with "progressives" - it's against their class interest.
"Probably 95%+ of them voted for Biden in 2020."
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
Betrayal, Yes..
Don't Vote Blue when it counts
I've read a lot of comments about voting green like "I live in a Deep blue state where it doesn't matter so I'm voting Green". Who cares who you vote for if it doesn't matter? If you live in a Blue or Red state, who cares? It's the Purple states that need to vote Green, Orange, Fuchsia or whatever. To vote for ANY third party but preferably a Progressive one. If your vote doesn't matter, your ideas and grievances don't matter. The only threat is where your vote can tip a balance. You can't vote Red or the powers that be will think they need to go further Right. You can't stay home or they will think you don'y care/ your views don't count. POWER is the only thing they care about. And, even in the Purple states, a small fraction of opposition that doesn't threaten the outcomes is just a flea bite. So you have to recruit. and surprisingly, your best bet, IMHO, is amongst the Trumpistas and Tea Baggerss. They already hate both parties and share many of the grievances. It's a lost cause trying to convert those who think Biden and Pelosi are champions of the People or think Obama was the greatest president ever. It's the people who think that both parties don't give a damn about them that you will find fertile soil.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
It really doesn't matter.
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
I do not, moreover --
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
Economic Populism may be the Answer
I'd watch out for anybody who used the word "grift"
in relation to Jimmy Dore. That word got used too early, and too often, to be anything but part of a coordinated media campaign.
Like the question Is X an operative?, it's very difficult to get hard proof that something is part of a coordinated campaign, but I'd be willing to bet a substantial sum of money that somebody at a consulting firm, think tank, or perhaps in Langley itself, mulled over and possibly focus-group-tested different attacks on Dore and came up with the concept of a grifter. I think it's not the greatest choice, as there's something about it that rings a little false--not false in the sense that Dore is NOT a grifter, but false in the sense that that word is not what would be on the tips of most people's tongues, even if they WERE bothered by the fact that Dore makes money off his YouTube show.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
So...why does LA get to tell us what to do?
Are we going to just give up on the People's Party just because one organization representing one city decided to bug out for reasons that are really not worth anyone else's time to dwell on? I am beyond sick of being led by the nose through other people's stupid-ass soap operas.
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
I'm a bit puzzled by all of this.
General detective's rule: people have motives for doing what they do. They don't do what they do for no reason.
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
From What I've Heard..
That isn't what it says in the memo.
the memo attached to the Twitter post. It argues that the internal organization of the MPP is rather stupidly undemocratic and that some, not all, of the participants in Our Revolution Los Angeles have given up on the MPP for this reason while others continue to work for it anyway.
ReadIf you add all of the other elements together, the picture it paints is one of an organization that has undertaken a task that is out of its league and that those "at the top" have isolated themselves from contrary opinion while openly continuing to work way behind on the schedule they've set for themselves. Starting a new political party in the United States is a really daunting task. A rational Movement for a People's Party would sit down with its membership in a series of Zoom calls and try to sort this all out, in a spirit of humility and open-mindedness. So as far as I am concerned it's back to "wait and see."
The sheepdogging stuff comes into an alternative party organization long after it's been established. Nobody starts an alternative political party in the United States with the intention of sheepdogging the members into the Democratic Party -- too much work with no career prospects.
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
Good question.
While I don’t have the patience to try and tease out all the machinations and infighting about the consequences of ORLA’s initial break-away from OR National and alignment with MPP, it seems a good possibility that either new voices are now speaking for ORLA or that those behind the initial breakaway have been corralled or exiled.
MPP is a long way from becoming national powerhouses but are moving ahead with ballot access efforts, and very much need to find a way to gather from either end of the political spectrum.
Third party efforts have had a very hard time getting into the “game” since the Know Nothing/American Party in the 1850’s. It is certain that both D’s and R’s will try to squash any truly independent third party efforts in order to maintain their “Big Fucking Club” - (H/T Mr. Carlin)
“The story around the world gives a silent testimony:
— The Beresovka mammoth, frozen in mud, with buttercups in his mouth…..”
The Adam and Eve Story, Chan Thomas 1963
Well okay except --
It would be easy to change the equation, and establish a consensus behind what is today recognized as "far left," just as it would be easy to end poverty in America -- but for that to happen, people need to get used to a political class which offers them something of substance for their hard-earned tax dollars. Instead what you have is garbage, which is what defines "Right" and "Left" today, and "far left" has become a garbage term used by garbage thinkers.
Joe Biden knows this, and he's a senile old man who is nonetheless clever enough to stock his cabinet full of neoliberal social climbers who fit identity-politics parameters. Why the people at Caucus99percent.com don't know it, when Joe Biden so clearly DOES, is really beyond me at this point.
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
Clever enough?
Or a willing tool? Has he been considered clever in his 44 year career? Or a tool?
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Hardly matters at this point.
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
actually he stocked his
cabinet full of a rainbow coalition of neo-cons, warmongers, and torture apologists. his FP policies may even end up worse than trump's, but the media will cover for him becauseL not trump. actually, they are already covering him. another teflon prez in the making?
I had high hopes for the People's Party
I'm starting to get the sense that Marxism, with its pseudoscientific pretenses, rampant political cannibalism, affinity for ineffectual circlejerking, and disdain for the worth, dignity, and power of the individual, was the worst thing ever to happen to "the left"....
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Good question.
I rather doubt we're the only ones thinking about this, though.
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
The Trumpistas
They are organized (tea Party graduates). They have already elected their champion. Despite his bombastic ineffectiveness, they still believe in him. That's why this farce of an impeachment that is really a proscription. To keep him off the 2024 ballot. Republican defectors, opposing their Party for Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life? Hardly. In reality the minions of Wall Street, taking the hit to protect their masters' interests.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
The MPP is well intentioned but it is going nowhere.
I viewed some of their videos. Sadly aside from the concept Nick Brana (although well intentioned) will not be the one to lead progressives (leftists) out out the quagmire.
In fact because of competing groups clamoring for attention unfortunately the establishment will remain in control.
A unified group of those dissatisfied with the present situation is required but unlikely to happen.
Unlikely, yes. But needed all the same
Of course, if we are not willing to continue, regardless of the likelyhood of success, then the Borg is certain to continue its destructive madness. I am not willing to cede that possibility just yet. Neither do I take all negative news about upstart parties at face value. Without first hand knowledge it’s just bits of data projected on our screen that may or may not have the slightest connection to reality.
“The story around the world gives a silent testimony:
— The Beresovka mammoth, frozen in mud, with buttercups in his mouth…..”
The Adam and Eve Story, Chan Thomas 1963