Mass Bannings of Bernie Supporters at TOP
Today, for the first time in a while I went to peruse TOP. While there I found my account had been banned, though for what is not clear. I then found the following public discussion at TOP's help desk that indicates that yesterday there were mass bannings of Bernie supporters.
Here is the screen shot of the help desk discussion dated June 15, 2017, if that link doesn't work:
There are a number of comments in that thread, many of which suggest participation at this site, caucus99percent is a reason for banning members. Another suggests that Bernie Sanders supporters may have been banned because the shooter of the GOP Congressional baseball team's practice once volunteered for Sanders. Those who have been banned include Bob Swern, Makhalli Overdrive and, of course yours truly.
I left a private message with the help desk requesting the reason I was banned. My last comment there was on May 9, 2017. Last diary published on April 24, 2017. I received no time outs or other warnings. Guess I was just swept up in the latest house cleaning for reasons about which I can only speculate. Certainly, it had nothing to do with any recent activity there.
Well, as the Spanish say (and Doris Day): Que sera, sera.
Comments
I still have TU status.
I haven't participated there in many months. And do not intend to.
I am sure they will sweep me up and take me to a camp soon enough.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@on the cusp Oh, you saw that.
Oh, you saw that.
"But I'm a loyal member of the Party, really really I am!"
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Haven't been over there since last June.
But you're going to make me look.
I am SO HOPING they banned me.
The whole place is f@#&ing unhinged.
Why now?
I think I know why:
The GOS is simply a mouthpiece of the establishment Dems.
This banning is simply a reaction to the progressive insurgency. They are nervous.
I can't prove it
but it would make sense that DKos has taken big money from either the DNC or a similar outfit. In doing so, they'll have to deliver the goods, and that likely means culling out any detractors, or those who ask embarrassing questions.
They'll deliver what they were paid to deliver, a website full of active supporters, but it will be increasingly without substance or authenticity. They are becoming astroturf.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Not a bad supposition
since many of Markos talking points mirror those of other Democratic party operatives.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
He's part of the Party
think tank community, right?
Where is that quote from Linda? n/t
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Sorry,
I meant to include the linkage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markos_Moulitsas
I don't think GOS is "becoming" astroturf
I'm a relative newcomer and my observation from the very beginning was that it was by it's stated purpose a partisan blog, not a liberal blog, not a progressive blog, not a blog for social justice, not any of those things. It's a blog for electing Democrats.
In that light it isn't astroturf... it's simply good ol' fashioned propaganda with a few true believers circling around.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
@gjohnsit No. It's synchronized
No. It's synchronized with the shootings yesterday, and the blame that's being placed on Sanders supporters. The trolling in such places as Youtube comments started within hours. I haven't looked at the MSM to see if they're framing us as thugs too.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
"Coincidentally" today, we have this:
Is left-wing violence rising?
From NPR.
Does the MSM truly believe we can't see straight through their coordinated message launches based entirely on the same set of talking points?
SMDH.
Put yourself in their shoes.
They don't really give a damn if we can see through it or not, per se. What they care about is that they keep getting paid by the oligarch types who sponsor them and the message.
They have to assure their clients that they are doing what works, but this invariably comes along with a bunch of BS, so half of their job is to fool us, but the other half is to bamboozle their clients into believing that their money is well spent.
Sooner or later the sponsors figure out what is working and what isn't, but there is an inevitable lag time between that and the start of a particular round of messaging.
NPR is likely on its last legs though, few believe that shit works anymore. (Are you listening, George?)
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
@WaterLily Awesome.
Awesome.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The Empire Strikes Back!
Welcome to the club! I was banned ages ago for saying that Obama was a lying son of a bitch. that was judged "racist".
Being banned from TOP is a badge of honor.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I still have 5 bars of mojo
of course I haven't logged in or posted a comment since April of last year. I imagine I wouldn't last more than one comment if I cared to do so. Which I don't! The place sucks and doing more damage to the demoRAT party than they imagine. As someone once said, "Please proceed moran Marcos!" The demise of that party can't come soon enough.
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
Even Shaun King gets it
He'd be banned too
Disagree with Shaun King on a couple of points
No, she was just as bad but in less blatant and more underhanded ways. Just as corrupt, just as belligerent - or more so - and just as incompetent. She would have sugar-coated her evil until it was too late.
Really? I don't see much difference between establishment Democrats and everyday Republicans, and what little there is, is shrinking all the time.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
@TheOtherMaven I also thought his
I also thought his sentence about differences between establishment Dems and Republicans was way, way off the mark. Today's establishment Dems are Nixon Republicans.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
My account is still active
But I haven't made a comment since May 22, 2016...My Mojo has gone from 5 bars to 4...
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
That "mojo" rating system
was always something of an embarrassment. There's something ridiculously puerile about it... sort of like being given a pat on the head, and awarded special library privileges for good behavior.
native
Really?
Why? Because we advocate progressive causes? Because we oppose war?
So people could visit redstate and still be OK on Orangestate?
The purity purge continues.
Aaaaaaaah-hahahahaHA!
Thanks for the Alexa graphic. Made my day.
Thanks. Wondering just yesterday.
Orwell: Where's the omelette?
@gjohnsit Why? Because we advocate
Yeah, opposing war is definitely a big one I would imagine.
Democrats are always thirsty for war.
They were thirsty for Iraq.
For Libya.
For Syria.
Now Russia.
It's crazy the level of propaganda and brainwashing these people exhibit. Somehow, not wanting to get into a large-scale war with a nuclear superpower makes you Putin puppet, or stooge, or even an actual Kremlin agent. Jesus. I'll gladly take the charge of being a Putin puppet if it means fighting back against that insanity.
Democrats want to destroy Syria like they did Libya. They pretend to care about human rights and lives, but they don't give a shit. They align with terrorists whom they call moderate rebels, but once they leave Syria they become radical jihadist terrorists.
So Democrats, you want to destroy Syria and get into war with Russia? Why don't you all grab your Pina Coladas, go over to the airport, beg Clinton to let you borrow her private jet, and you people can go fight your own fucking wars.
They never fight their own wars,
There are people for that.
The warmongers make money off of the chaos and destruction, but I wonder what motivates the low level activists? What's in it for them, supporting these wars? It's baffling.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
All Gung,
no Ho.
That place just doesn't seem real.
Those new users that came on board during the primaries seemed fake to me. Whereas I once learned things the news media failed to report, now it is a place to become propagandized.
Just having to self-censor is tantamount to being conditioned on what to say.
I don't do conditioned thinking well. At all.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
It's mostly fake news at this point,
just breathless, fact-challenged assertions that Trump is about to be impeached, and that the Russian hacking narrative has been proven, and a whole lot of "yay, team blue". Visiting infowars is about as informative.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Hey, at least Jill Stein stood by progressive policies.
That's more than can ever be said for ClinTrump. I told those orange buffoons to delete my account about this time last year. I do peruse there from time to time just to see how much further down the toxic identity rabbit hole they've gone and haven't been surprised one little bit.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
@The Aspie Corner I'm kind of bemused that
I'm kind of bemused that they think this place is "too pro-Stein." I think we were pretty divided last year between those who wanted to write in Bernie, those who didn't want to vote at all, those who wanted to vote Stein, even a few who wanted to vote Trump.
Just about the only person nobody wanted to vote for was Hillary--unless I'm forgetting somebody who wanted to vote for her.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Too pro-Stein is
Too pro-Stein is essentially any mention of her in a positive light in their eyes.
@Strife Delivery For fuck's sakes. All
For fuck's sakes. All these people who run with the DNC are basically like this:
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
And if we've been to the same Reddit channels
too pro-Trump means trying to find any positive in this administration, any small point where he can be worked with, rather than McResisting everything without a second thought, because Trump. Not to mention, having the belief that four years of Trump could end up being a better thing for progressives than four years of Her and the DNC business as usual. I know Kossacks for Sanders used to get that accusation mostly for those reasons, though every once in a while, a genuine Trumper would stumble in and usually exit rather quickly.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Markie Moosetits
eating his own again I see.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
This happens to all religions eventually
With each setback there is new calls for more purity.
^^^This!^^^
That place has become a cult. It no longer adheres to its own rules. I am shocked that I am not among those banned since I am one of the original members here and have posted some pretty harsh words about Markos.
What it appears to be is that the bannings were done to make examples of long time and well known posters as per John Podesta.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
And its Alexa ratings are a reflection of this
The 'purer' Moosetits' site has become, the more members it turns off.
I wonder about the popularity of sites that ban other opinions
I have no official peek into net traffic, sorry, that's beyond my technologies, but it seems that two places that banned me, seem to have fewer responses to their posts. There are multiple causes. After the last election a lot of readers just decided to avoid politics. Of course, there is a narrower group of posters, so if only people who agree with the doctrine post there chances are that someone has already said what you were going to say. Plus, when someone is banned, allies and people who agree with the poster leave too.
Alas, the tribulations of the political censor.
One of two reasons I left GOS and will NOT return
The ides of March decree which broke the alligator's back.
How about sites that prohibit users from
participating elsewhere? Apparently, that's what TOP is about lately, and content from here has been dragged there, with people held accountable.
Markos Mussolini.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
cult
It has indeed become a dangerous cult, with all that entails.
Doubt me? Measure Daily Kos' (DK) recent behaviors against the "gold standard" for evaluating dangerous cults, the Advanced Bonewits Cult Danger Evaluation Frame!
You'll find that DK really has become a dangerous cult!
EDIT: With respect to the supposed site rules and how well they are followed, I quote the Advanced Bonewits Cult Danger Evaluation Frame's Factor 18:
emphasis in original
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
This,
would appear to describe the behavior of the entire DNC leadership, DWS, John Podesta, et. al.
Not to mention the ever-repectable CIA, whose word of mouth has our nation in a nuclear standoff with Russia because Russia's head honcho tried to make us dislike Hillary Clinton.
Russia's head honcho
And why did he waste the resources?
A few well-placed links to good old c99 last year would have been at least as effective, and far cheaper. And no nasty repercussions, either!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
It wasn't Putin, it was me
I dragged hundreds of the best e-mails from Wikileaks and dropped them right here, for the world to see. Then I did the dervish mind-warp, and made you all dislike her and not vote for her.
Far-fetched? Sure, but it makes more sense than their cover story.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
The saddest
part of all this is that it really is more likely that you did it than that Putin did it.
What was supposed to have been his conduit to knowledge that the DNC leadership was obstructing Sanders and expressing it clearly in their emails? Why would he target DNC emails instead of State Department emails, which Clinton herself made so vulnerable, and which Putin was in a position to know had to do with industrial and governmental involvement with her Foundation? Why would he go after the DNC emails?
There are 50 YouTube examples of her lying through her teeth, contradicting herself, lying about her votes in the Senate. All in the public domain. Did she really need any help in discrediting herself?
If Putin did reveal that the DNC obstructed Sanders, I consider Putin to have been a whistleblower, a person who reveals government or private wrongdoing. To whoever released the emails, I say, Thank You. You have helped me make a more informed decision. And I may get my money back as a result of your efforts. Thank you mucho.
But what is the logic of someone who believes revealing the DNC emails is an attack on American democracy? It seems they are saying that lying and stealing and obstructing are part of the process (part of American democracy?) and that revealing it to the American people is wrong, it's destructive of the way we do things, and of the way we deceive the American people.
Does this make sense to anyone?
What is their logic?
The "logic" of it might be based
on a widely-held misperception that America's two political Parties in themselves constitute the entirety of the national ethos. In tandem and together, the Ds and Rs have ruled the roost for so long, they have come to believe that attacking either one of them is tantamount to attacking the nation as a whole. Their hubris knows no bounds.
I do not believe that the DNC even was attacked by Russia, in any unusual or coordinated way. But they certainly pretend to believe it was, and apparently some of them actually do believe it... for reasons that seem very convenient to themselves.
However even if it really were the case, that the Russian government really had tried to influence the election in Trump's favor, there would have been nothing unusual or extraordinary about such efforts. Many foreign nations try to influence US elections, for any number of different reasons, using any number of dubious strategems. This is expected, it is normal, it is paar for the course.
The reason that Russia is now being demonized and targeted, and accused of "interfering", has nothing to do with Trump, or with the DNC, or with US electoral integrity. Unfortunately we cannot expect our msm to explain honestly to us, what that reason actually is.
native
Thank you, native.
Your explanation is as close to making sense of this behavior as I have seen.
It makes perfect sense, if you look at it from this perspective
What is everyone talking about right now, and since the beginning?
Who leaked the emails.
Barely a whisper about what was actually contained within them.
If they were not so distracted by the "Oh shiny!" diversion people would be spending more time talking about the contents and what said contents mean.
Personally, I think this is all deliberate misdirection, done to a level that would make any professional magician jealous.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
It is indeed
such blatant diversion of attention. I agree.
It happened with the Ukraine coup d'etat also when the recording of Victoria Nuland's phone call, about whom she was installing in the new government, was leaked. The State Dept. went ape with the accusation that it was Russia that recorded and leaked the damning information.
It didn't work that well in the case of Nuland and Ukraine. The recording became much more sensational than the accusation that Putin recorded it, and virtually no one cared who leaked it. (It could have been someone at State. It could have been Vlad.)
But in this case, I agree with you. It is precisely the hammering, relentless repetition of who did it that is removing any time or space for reading what was leaked.
Also,
in response to my own question,
you've made me realize that the leaker has to be someone bad. If the leaker is someone good, like a whistleblower who leaked to Wikileaks because they saw evidence that Sanders was being defrauded, then attention would be directed onto the crime, not the leaker. Thank you.
I thought that anyone who challenges the DNC
is "bad" by definition. Ideologies beyond those put forward by the two major parties aren't tolerated.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
I agree with your assessment
And, if you'll recall, the actual content of the emails was put down immediately with a simple hand-wave jedi mind trick. They simply said, "These emails show nothing" and that was that. So first it was flat out denial. Then we have the shift of focus. None of which fooled anyone who was already watching.
It was pretty funny when I showed Donna Brazil's video to my son and his immediate comment was, "That's exactly how they trained us in intelligence."
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Yes, thanks Seth. Maybe we will get some money back.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
How is attacking the DNC attacking the electoral system
Stop me if I'm missing something here, but by their own arguments in the lawsuit for rigging their own election that the DNC is embroiled in, didn't the DNC argue that they are a private corporation? If so, it seems to me that at best what we've got here is a case of corporate espionage.
If the DNC would like to position themselves as a part of the American electoral process I'm totally down with that. But that opens up several other bags o' worms that we then need to discuss starting right out with "Why is a private corporation half of the American electoral system?"
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
All that was needed was a video of the Nevada Rat Convention
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDcuebXG8-Q]
Beware the bullshit factories.
Glanced at your title, and thought I read "Mass Burnings."
Which is just as well.
That place is not unlike Salem in 1692.
Academic history will not view them kindly. Just as another cog in the wheel (albeit a small one) of an era, in which the Neoliberal drivers of the Democratic Party have finally driven the party into a ditch, after 25 or 30 years of abandoning their legacy as Party of the People, in order to grovel for the cash their Republican counterparts were socking away, who had already sold their souls to the Economic Terrorists of Wall St.
And what have they given the country? A stratified Duopoly. Which has given way to un-ignorable massive income and wealth in equality, media consolidation, prison industrial complex, world-leading incarceration numbers per capita, deregulation of Wall St and corporate monopolies, continued and ratcheted-up military industrial complex, the merging of banks with derivative-hawking criminal scammers. Most of this was done under Clinton, with Obama coming in as relief pitcher to get the job done. Yes, Reagan is probably the marker for the beginning of this (The Powell Memo set the stage for that) and Bush Co continued paving the way for further destruction (though they did jail some of banker culprits, something Obama didn't have the nerve to do).
It's easy to understand when you've read history, not the sanctioned fairy tale stuff of the American public school education system, but that of radical dissenters such as Howard Zinn. Then you find out, they're all part of the same club. You also find out that any progress, no matter what, came from social movements who got out into the streets in solidarity and demanded change, as Frederick Douglass famously said.
They're forever hopelessly stuck in a well-designed charade in which the 99% are pitted against one another - each side has their red meat to throw the faithful. Red/Blue, Conservative/Liberal, Dem/Rep keep fighting away within the familiar confines, set up by the oligarchy (who buy the elections like disposable goods) to play us like puppets. Permits them to chuckle away while at their faux mansions, on their red carpets and in their helicopter rides, as their rape and pillage continues, because the media has been paid off to relentlessly pump dazzling Manufactured Controversy bullshit 24/7. All the while both black and white, gay and straight, college-educated and blue collar, sink miserably, choking for air, in a quagmire of continued medical/student loan/mortgage/consumer debt. Daily Gross is filled with boiling frogs believing they are basking in the pool of Neoliberalism, as they take in the sun and daydream of joining the Big Club, as the water becomes hotter, and hotter, and hotter....
"Our team is better than your team" and "Show some school spirit" was about all they could muster over there, before they got trounced by an imbecilic buffoon, who was only a hair less despised than Queen $hillary.
Neoliberalism is gasping for air, clutching its throat and lashing out violently against anyone and everyone who didn't obey orders. The flailing, duped denizens of the Pestilent Neoliberal Cesspool at Daily Joke turning, right before our very eyes, into the monsters they often claimed their counterparts to be.
The people running Daily Kos now, were the inquisitors at Salem then.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Of course the Ergot poison in the corn
helped a lot with the behavior of the "witches" .
No one should do hallucinogens without supervision...
Heh!
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
Then as now the real motivation was financial gain.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
@Mark from Queens TESTIFY!
TESTIFY!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Well said. 'Twas ever thus.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
With great risk and fearful anticipation
I will admit I read this post.
The squirrels are here...
You're surprised?
There is this...
https://caucus99percent.com/content/markos-hits-yet-another-new-low
No, G is wrong... Low has not yet been reached.
Hiding under desk now.
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
I haven't been banned.
When I cleaned out my stuff and logged out, I left this note in my profile.
"I left this bought and paid for propaganda site. If you are looking for me, I can be found at caucus99percentdotcom ."
Probably the same as last time. Gangs attacking anybody who isn't a bot so they can do a purge the site and blame the victims.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
The Hillbots travel in gangs there
and do mass flags on anyone who doesn't comply with the current groupthink. Rather than do anything constructive, they seem content to just attack others, it's a child's game.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
I joined in 2004 and became very attached to that blog.
Today, I wouldn't pay a dime for it. Don't miss it one bit.
edited to add n't to would
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
@dervish It's training.
It's training.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The neoliberals are panicking
I have been seeing this same phenomenon on Twitter and in traditional media where the neoliberal New York Times attacked Lee Camp and Bernie Sanders this week. Caitlin Johnstone was attacked by neoliberals on Twitter. Joan Walsh, Neera Tanden, and Joy Reid have been launching an all out assault on Twitter too. Markos has been assholier than even normal lately.
They are scared. They are losing, and in their efforts to destroy us, they are destroying themselves.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Here is a front page headline.
Just get out and support whatever GD D is running.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Nothing on dkos or
that Markos has to say is original. These talking points are coming down from the DNC. I saw the same damn thing nearly word for word on Twitter this morning. My dog, can't they even be a little original or do they all have to parrot the exact same thing? I cannot believe that they are closing ranks around DWS who appears to have been enabling a Pakistani spy ring and still has its leader on her payroll. It shows just how corrupt the Democratic party is.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Just let them do it.
It's hilarious to watch.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
hilarious to watch
[video:https://youtu.be/XTGmTrQXrwg]
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Funny stuff thanatokephalioides!
O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.
I think it's probably a good sign
that the most prominent truth-tellers are getting noticed by msm... or in the case of DKos, banned from that site. If the Neoliberal Club did not feel threatened by our opinions, it would simply ignore us, which its owners would have much preferred to do. As it is, they've been forced to throw up defensive shields and counter-attack.
native
As the old saying goes: "Tough titties said Bill's kittie."
I haven't been banned there either. Think it's cos I write comments only, no diaries. I wander over occasionally to check out the funny stuff like the animal diaries, and enviro ones. Markos is such a pathetic Repukelican joke--sad. Rec'd!!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Bill's kitty
Bill Clinton's kitty.
Socks.
Then, now, and almost certainly forever: the best possible Clinton to actually run the country!
(Of course, my Chocolate kitty would be far better still!)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Lee Camp & Caitlin Johnstone. Two of my favs. Makes sense.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
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After I posted this:
Thursday Apr 28, 2016 · 7:47 PM PDT
If for any reason a #BLM advocate states they will not (support) Bernie Sanders. Dismissive language in response would not tolerated on the Daily Kos.
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In contrast: If I quote this:
I have been on record in favor of a late pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother. — Hillary Clinton
and this:
I am very strongly pro-choice. that is a decision to be made by the woman, her physician and her family. That's my view. — Bernie Sanders
and conclude I will not vote for Hillary Clinton on Tuesday, November 8, 2016, I will however vote for Bernie Sanders on Tuesday, November 8, 2016 even if I need to write-in his name.
If the majority of Democrats prefer Hillary, and she does not win the general election, the majority of Democrats only have themselves to blame.
The above is a true and accurate depiction of how truly petty Daily Kos has been, is, and will be unto the end of time. Rereading my words suggests I am actually, and really prescient.
I should note that as a short timer I had no right to judge the fine folk at Daily Kos. Joined: Mar 3, 2015
You're not only prescient
To:
You have a more principled view of a human's sovereignty over their own body than most people I read.
There is no nuance in the profound right to control, defend, and protect the vessel that contains one's consciousness. This is a universal absolute.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
I am so with you
I see it as the most fundamental of all property rights. It's the right to freakin ME! Yeah, I'm pretty black & white about that. I expect others feel similarly. I don't care what the issue is... suicide, pregnancy, whatever. It's your body and so it's your choice.
Well wait... to be fair... there is probably some nuance in it when it gets to society bearing costs for decisions but I'm acutely aware how slippery a slope it is to say "some risks and costs are valid and others are not". I'm inclined to say "Don't wear a motorcycle helmet if you don't want to" but should insurance be allowed to charge more? If yes, then what about all other activities which entail risk and cost and conscious decision? Where I'm tentatively at with that is that we should not segregate risks like that. I'm more inclined to acknowledge, "Yeah, I wear a helmet but have my own set of risky behaviors."
I think I'm utterly clear on who chooses. I'm a bit vague on who pays the price for the choice.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Clear the tracks for the Blame Train!
Going to be a lot easier to push the "violent BernieBros" meme if there are fewer Sanders sympathizers around to defend themselves.
(Never mind Markos' tacit approval of the shooting by saying this was just Republicans reaping what they sowed. Don't let the blatant hypocrisy get in the way of a cheap takedown.)
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
I believe the tracks have by now been
pretty much cleared. Only a few stray cows and the occasional hobo remain, and these will not hinder the forward progress of the glorious Blame Train... Already well advanced on its journey to precisely nowhere.
native
tracks and trains
And the hobo knows better than to try to ride that train. Whether or not he is high on cocaine.
[video:https://youtu.be/KcB9wlmnDPY]
note: Video selected in part because of the scenes of cows alongside the tracks!
Cocaine. Hmmmm. With the typical Kossack being a member of the six-figure income club these days, I wonder how much of the recent changes there towards the nasty side are due to, well, the sniffing of a certain white South American powder?
Inquiring minds and all that.....
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
she's a mighty rushing engine
I haven't been there since right after
the edict. And I won't go back there even to see if I've been banned, although I doubt it since I haven't been there in so long. They have become what they used to despise.
I still wear my Bernie shirts a lot as they're good shirts and I work from home, but I guess now I'd better be more careful of that.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
@lizzyh7 Like hell. Wear whatever
Like hell. Wear whatever you goddamned please.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
What is TOP?
There used to be a rule that when you used acronyms before you used it that you stated the whole name first. I went to google and found a whole bunch of them. Termination of Pregnancy?
I am, of course, interested in censorship, I've pointed out how many "liberal" or neoliberal sites have been culling certain lines of thinking from their websites.
And I am interested in the current propaganda about "violent leftists", the same game used since the Haymarket massacres. Maybe we'll get a new SLA.
it stands for
the other place
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Daily Kos?
I went there once in 2016 and made a comment about H. Clinton and got banned.
I took a tour of some of the sites where I'd been banned, Booman Trib and Balloon Juice, and noted that their plexiglass bubbles are intact.
It's interesting, how people's minds have to censor themselves in order to function within the dictated reality. I used to argue politics with my right-wing sister down in Florida. If I had an effective argument against this or that she either ignored it or got confused and disoriented.
It is important for regimes to control reality, and America's censors are undoubtedly the most oppressive of all current regimes. The war against "fake news", though, has failed. Too many people see through the central "truths", be they from the right or left. The central purpose of the "Russian hack/Trump-Putin love affair" was originally to be Hillary's casus belli against Russia. It hasn't sold the next war. The right know most of the BS tossed at Trump stinks, there are plenty of lefties who still have an aversion to war, especially wars against enemies with nuclear weapons.
The latest propaganda wave against "violent leftists" is a ploy trotted out when leftists seem to make too much sense. The SLA was a false flag, and judging from the heavy infiltration of the peace movement against Vietnam, the second wave of the SDS (the bombings et al) was undoubtedly a false flag.
For thousands of years the man on the street in Egypt thought that the pharoahs were gods. With enough control of the media you can make people believe everything.
At least half the job of the propagandist is done for them
People self-select so much of what they see and hear so it confirms what they already believe and offers no challenges or uncomfortable facts that contradict to what they already think. Democrats used to think this was an exclusively Republican phenomenon, but they've proved more than capable of creating their own reality distortion fields.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
I think backsliding into social stagnation
…is mostly a product of discomfort. Discomfort always arises when there is an imperitive to adapt to environmental change through physical or conscious evolution. Change is never a picnic, and for most, ignorance is bliss, even if does lead to extinction. This is what powers propaganda and why it works so well. Propaganda always provides denial and or blame — both of which relieve the "discomfort" of evolution.
When you scale this principle up, you can see the reason for the rise and fall of civilizations.
Just sayin'
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
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