Markos being openly mocked in the press for being a complete dick

Not once. Not twice. Not thrice, but four different articles from four different sources in two days.
It seems there was an “Ideas” conference for Democrats and Markos was on the panel.
Let's not waste time and get right to it.
#1 Paste Magazine

Six months after the election, the founder of a popular liberal website that also raises money for Democratic candidates thinks it’s fine to demean people who happen to live in a state that gave its electoral college votes to Trump. On May 11, after the Trump administration denied North Carolina’s funding request, Daily Kos founder and publisher Markos Moulitsas tweeted, “There’s your reward for voting Republican, North Carolina.”
As I reported for Facing South last October, often overlooked are the hindrances to voting that the storm causes in eastern North Carolina, as well as in Florida, Georgia and South Carolina. The Hurricane displaced many people whose homes were flooded and damaged, hindering their ability to make it to the polls, many of which were shut down anyway.
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In the arena of bashing flood victims, Markos wasn't alone. Unite Blue, an LLC that “works to connect the left with messaging, community building, technology and organizing,” tweeted something similar.
Unite Blue took down the tweet, attributing it to a volunteer, and apologized. Moulitsas appears not to have addressed his shameful Tweet at all.
As Moulitsas and other Clinton diehards rejoice in schadenfreude over a state subject to massive voter suppression that went for Trump by less than four points, they exemplify the same kind of out-of-touch strategy of the 2016 Clinton campaign.

Gawd! He's such an enormous piece of shit!

#2 The Observer

In an interview with The Los Angeles Times, Congressman Adam Schiff claimed that the progressive wing of Democratic Party was beginning to look the the Tea Party. While the Democratic Party and its leadership remain widely unpopular, several polls cite Sanders as the most popular politician in the country. Rather than embrace his progressive policies that continue to enthuse and mobilize support for Democrats, most Democratic officials have viewed Sanders’ popularity with indignation.

On May 16, Politico reported that several Democrats are furious with Sanders over his potential 2020 presidential run given that he has overwhelming support—more so than any other potential contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination.

“The fact that Tom Perez has given Sanders a platform without Sanders genuinely agreeing to work toward ‘unity’ has made a mockery of the whole process and literally divided the party more than it was before the tour began. It has been a disaster,” said Markos Moulitsas, the founder of Daily Kos. “Yes, Perez and company are clearly afraid of Sanders and his followers, but letting Sanders make a mockery of the party doesn’t exactly help it build in the long haul.” Moulitsas, who recently caught flack for claiming North Carolina residents deserve not to receive Hurricane Matthew relief funds because the state voted for Donald Trump, is part of why the Democratic Party is so out of touch with American voters. He fails to acknowledge that the party made a mockery out of itself by anointing Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee in 2016.

#3 Daily Beast

The blue book was meant for participants to take notes. The cover said, “Ideas for Action.” Inside there was nothing but blank pages.

A panel on the Resistance featured Markos Moulitsas, the founder of Daily Kos, the Resistance of its era. Moulitsas lamented that Democrats in 2016 argued about “whether Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton are good enough while the grassroots were burning.” He told the crowd gathered at Washington’s Four Seasons Hotel that white male Christian liberals are no longer in charge of the Resistance, noting that the post-Trump movement has been built by women and communities of color, and that might make some people uncomfortable.

“There’s a changing of the guard in progressive leadership, and they’re not just part of the movement, they’re leading it.”

Much has been made of the tension between progressives and centrists, the Sanders wing and the Clinton wing, but Moulitsas dismissed disagreement on income inequality, race, and immigration. “What it comes down to is emphasis,” he said. His name isn’t an immediate giveaway, he said, but he’s Hispanic. “Right now our families are being split apart. It’s kind of hard to focus on Florida being underwater when our families are broken up.”
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Most of the assembled crowd is focused on retaking power in 2018 and 2020, but Moulitsas, the guru of the last resistance, said he is less worried about what happens in two or four years than he is about 2022.

Gawd he's such a moron! Why does anyone listen to him?

And then there's this.
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Twitter followers called him “unhinged” and wondered if he’s been smoking crack.
He charged on.

“Aside from ideology, @NYTimes cares nothing about racial and ethnic diversity,” he wrote. “There is nothing ‘liberal” about them. Stop thinking they are.”

You don't suppose he's taken a page from Trump's playbook and decided that all press, even negative press, is good press?

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This will never be discussed at the GOS. Speaking against Kim Jong Kos and the Democratic apparatchiks is strictly forbidden.

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@dervish

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That is literally, word for word, the exact thought than ran through my head when I read the politico article earlier today and saw it describing dkos as a liberal website.

That those people are claiming to be liberals, progressives, or the "left" is unbelievable. And yes, kos is a complete a-hole. shallow, hateful, and dishonest. Democrats should be embarrassed. Pathetic.

The politico article was interesting though in terms of how Bernie is getting under their skin. I'm happy to know how much he's pissing them off. Good. He is splitting that party, and I'm glad.

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@CS in AZ

At some point, both Democrats and Republicans decided to make the word "liberal" a four letter word. When that didn't succeed, they made the word utterly meaningless by dividing the political world into conservative and liberal, so that liberal eventually becamse almost a synonym "Democrat." So, now we have the cognitive dissonance of websites like KOS and Democratic Underground self-identifying as liberal and banning people who post anything but Third Way bs. They've done similar things with words like "progressive."

"Populist" gets the worst treatment being associated with things like the Klan or even worse. Because, heaven forbid government actually works for people.

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@HenryAWallace

at this point, the only actual difference between the meaning of liberal/progressive and conservative/right wing is defined by social issues like same sex marriage. As far as economics and foreign policy, they are indistinguishable. It's all trickle-down bullshit and more wars from "both sides" which aren't even in opposition on those issues. Yet the democrats now claim to be the liberal or progressive side. They want people like me -- a strong believer and supporter of LGBT rights, reproductive rights, civil rights, to feel obligated to support democrats based on these. Which are important, so it's a good tactic that works on a whole lotta people.

Oy. It feels like there is no real "left" in this country now. Well, we do exist - and I think there's more than we are led to believe. But we're being erased. They co-opt every word. Maybe we need to just embrace socialist. Bernie Sanders has at least opened the door ... ok, perhaps he just cracked the window. Opened the mini-blinds? Created a tiny sliver of light into just how completely dishonest this whole thing is, how we are being manipulated and lied to.

No wonder kos and the Clinton cabal hate him so much. I'm starting to really appreciate Bernie's ongoing meddling and picking at them. Smile

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@CS in AZ

Oy. It feels like there is no real "left" in this country now. Well, we do exist - and I think there's more than we are led to believe. But we're being erased. They co-opt every word. Maybe we need to just embrace socialist.

emphasis in original

It's also why I've re-embraced the term anarchist. That, and depriving the American "libertarians" (who really aren't libertarian at all) of its use.

I am an anarchosocialist. And becoming prouder of the fact by the day.

Smile

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@CS in AZ @CS in AZ
Make people choose sides over economic issues and they'll show you where they really stand every time.

I'd love to see them try to co-opt "socialist" and make it meaningless. It embodies everything they despise. It would be like the Klan trying to rebrand themselves by claiming, "Racist? Hell no, we're all n****rs!"

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@CS in AZ You've got your finger on why Bernie ran in the first place, and the nature of the war he was actually fighting. At least, IMO.

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@CS in AZ
"The Hijackers Of The Party Of FDR."

We need to call them what they really are!
They aren't Liberals and they aren't Progressives...

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He polished the gates he went through.
He just didn't realize that shit sticks to almost everything.
I say let him go gjohn.
I'm done with TOS, KOS, GOS and the other orange stain they so despise.

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@Pricknick

I say let him go gjohn.
I'm done with TOS, KOS, GOS and the other orange stain they so despise.

I'm grateful to gjohnsit for this reporting, however.

I applaud any and all attempts to monkeywrench "TOS, KOS, GOS and the other orange stain they so despise". And it's just so damn satisfying to hear of them when they happen.

Not to mention said monkeywrenching works to get us ordinary laborers our rightful democracy -- governmental and industrial alike -- back into our hands where it belongs!

But then, that's me.

Wink

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@thanatokephaloides about sending some diary about diabetics and insurance costs from the Kos to a Repugnant friend to make the point of voting against one's self interest. I warned her that the comments on that site are now completely toxic as most of the diaries are, and that the truly "left" of us are NOT in agreement with their viciousness. Never bad to know what the enemy is up to as there are people who don't read like we all do who still think that site is "left."

Gotta just love that Markos can actually state that his own family is at risk when I seriously doubt they would be - I imagine he has the money and contacts to prevent that happening but I could be wrong. But the arrogance of some rich shill thinking he faces the truly destructive forces of bigotry and that our unequal economics doesn't have any impact on that just shows how weak his "argument" really is. And really, just how is it that these people intend to end racism? Really? And how would we know when racism is truly dead? A black POTUS? A female POTUS? Whatever.

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Gotta just love that Markos can actually state that his own family is at risk when I seriously doubt they would be - I imagine he has the money and contacts to prevent that happening but I could be wrong. But the arrogance of some rich shill thinking he faces the truly destructive forces of bigotry and that our unequal economics doesn't have any impact on that just shows how weak his "argument" really is.

I daresay the unequal economics have done me far and away more damage than the actual damage racism ever has done to Markos.....

Diablo

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@Pricknick
I just happened to run across an article talking about the "liberal CPAC" "Ideas" conference that completely lacked any Berniecrats and actual ideas, and discovered that Markos speaks for the McResistance.
That got me curious. So I did a search and Viola!

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I listen to Mark Thompson's show on Sirus/xm channel 127.He has the DICKHEAD MARKOS on every Thurs.For the last 3 weeks in a row DICKHEAD and Thompson have railed against Bernie and his supporters for being racists and that white men were the sole reason HELLERY lost.DICKHEAD goes on and on how the white working class is evil and only cares about money issues.DICKHEAD has even went after Jane Sanders 3 weeks in a row about her comments on the DNCs handling of that clusterfuck in Omaha with the mayors race.If Thompson and DICKHEAD keeps up this race baiting they will drive whitey away forever and continue to lose elections

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@LEFTYFRIZZLE during TYT's notorious justification of DNC fraud. So, I will include Thomson as a dickhead also.

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@LEFTYFRIZZLE Wait a minute...white men? I thought it was millenial feminists and the Russians? Or do the Russians count as "white men?" I guess they're ignoring any females in the Russian government.

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over there. It's not about "more and better Democrats" it's about more and better excuses for Hillary.

That's ALL the site is about about anymore, defending Hillary. The most irritating part is this roving band of nitwits that joined the site right around Ides of March who think that's the way it's supposed to be.

Their only experience with Daily Kos is getting their bullshit recced up while anyone challenging them gets flagged, timed out, or banned. They think it makes them right.

I tried to stay around after my last time out to push back wherever I could, but not being able to fight back with the truth gets old.

Single payer sucks; fracking, death penalty, war and Wall Street money ain't so bad; empathy for poor people indicates hatred and/or indifference to women & POC and on and on and on.

The worst part is that the site is just a microcosm of what Hillary's toxic campaign did to the Democratic party.

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@Dopeman That's really what killed that site, when you're unable to state a fact without flags.

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WikiLeaks Is Fake News, RussiaGate, Impeach Trump, The Resistance, Blah... Blah... Blah...

They don't realize how irrelevant they have become and we will never again pass a candidate that is the lessor of 2 evils...

Give a candidate that earns our vote!
We aren't picking Bag Of Garbage #1 or Bag Of Garbage #2...

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@Dopeman

Neoliberalism has had a long time to grow and flourish within the Democratic party. Hillary's campaign simply highlighted it for all to see.

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Just to get this out of the way, Yes, I'm a plant from DKOS paid for by the DNC

@SnappleBC Of course it didn't start with Hillary. But 2016 was unique in that the DNC's Chosen One was so heinous and fake, especially compared to Bernie, that it exposed the neoliberal scourge like never before.

Bernie running to her left is what caused her campaign to have to do things like bash single payer, defend fracking, and ramp up the ugly identity politics-based divide and conquer scheme. That's why they hate him so much - he is a big part of why she lost to Trump, just not in the ways they claim.

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@Dopeman

That's no longer a worry - now Homeland Security can announce the right corporate candidate as the winner every time. And since the public - unlike unnamed private interests in on the Top Secret electoral process/discussion - isn't entitled to know the details of National Security issues taken under their shady Top Secret umbrella, voters need never concern themselves about the details of even the most unlikely electoral results ever again. In fact, it might turn out to be against the National Interest to mention any doubts.

I deeply that hope I'm just so incredibly wrong on this, but fear that this will be the time I'm finally right about something...

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@SnappleBC Her campaign was, culturally, a wrecking ball. Few have even tried to reckon the lasting damage she has done to longstanding political and moral ideas, movements, and alliances. A lot of this began under Obama, yes. But Hillary 2016 reshaped the landscape like a tsunami.

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@Dopeman that whole America won't be majority white anymore so they no longer need to even appeal to anyone not of color. I guess they think all of us middle aged ones will continue to suicide out when we lose our shitty ass jobs and then they'll have their majority. But what they refuse to see is even when or if that does happen, the people they think they're fooling aren't going to buy into their shit very long. Hell, I've seen the point made that black people learned LONG AGO not to believe in any sunny rhetoric from politicians as they've been screwed over for centuries and they see that, while white people are somehow shocked at it. While that's an easy generalization, I think there's a small grain of truth there.

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@lizzyh7 just like all white people do not think alike, not all people of color are going to be of one mind. The one issue that cuts across all demographic lines is the pocket book issue. If people cannot afford to feed their families, put a roof over their heads, educate their children, and be assured of quality healthcare, all the identity politics symbolism is not worth one whit.

We human beings of all colors, ethnic backgrounds, and even political identities have this one thing in common. The reason that the Democrats continue to harp on identity politics is that is all they have and it keeps us neatly divided while the oligarchs continue to fleece us all.

People of privilege, like Markos, who came from a well to do family and now is very wealthy himself, should not preach down to those who are barely holding on, regardless of their color or political identity.

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@gulfgal98 The other thing I've noticed that cuts across demographics: people are really sick of the lies and lameass excuses for bad behavior.

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A noun, a verb and Putin.

@snoopydawg
that all the ism's are an economic problem is an idiot.

Income inequality is the core problem for all the ism's.

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https://duckduckgo.com/?q=new+york+times+carlos+slim&t=ffsb&ia=web

At least Markos isn’t arguing, “I’m Hispanic, Carlos Slim is Hispanic, therefore it’s my duty to shill for the NYT.”

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@lotlizard However, Kos did make a big announcement in one of his recent diaries that he has finally come out as a proud Latino.

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@Fishtroller 02 What? WTF. Everyone knows he's from El Salvador, everyone's known it for years, what the fuck does he mean "come out?"

Also, as someone who's, I suppose, part Latina, in that my mother's mother's family was, there's something ridiculous about it all; I would feel unbearably pretentious if I "came out" as having Spanish-speaking relatives; for one thing, that would imply a creepy kind of way of using my relations for some kind of lame-ass pseudo-moral steroid injection into my reputation.

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@lotlizard "Finally, I need to make this one personal point: in the 15 years I’ve run this site, I’ve never made a big deal out of being Latino. That has ended. You are seeing “Latino Kos” loud and proud from here on out, and I will have zero tolerance for asshole borderline racists who pretend to be progressives. If you really want to say the words “identity politics” in a demeaning way, go the fuck away, or I will make you go away. If you really want to argue that fighting for women’s rights or anti-racism or bigotry is “political correctness,” then go the fuck away."

And yet, in the past he not only tried to hide his Latino background, but exhibited homophobic opinions...https://shadowproof.com/2010/07/03/markos-moulitsas-opposed-gays-in-mili...

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@Fishtroller 02

Kos admitted straight up that he:
(1) is an ignorant, homophobic bigot.
(2) has no personal experience of racial discrimination.

It’s truly disturbing how much ado has been made over Bill Clinton’s campaign promise to lift the ban on homosexuals from the U.S. military. It’s ironic how it has taken a president who has never served in the military to make a promise that affects the military in such a negative manner. Those who have served in the military, such as myself, understand the demands and pressures of military life are incompatible with allowing integration with homosexuals.

I was terribly happy to escape the ugliness of a racist world for the safety of my every day-to-day life. Sure, I could always talk against racism, fight ignorance and prejudice wherever I ran into it, yet I would always be looking in from another room and I could always close the door. My life, in my world, in my own detached selfishness. And as I left the ugly reality of racism behind, it struck me that what was such an easy and trivial exercise for me would be impossible for anyone whose skin color or religious persuassion made them the target of bigotry and discrimination. They would never be able to escape who they were.

Unbelievable! His hypocrisy and dishonesty are off the charts. Kos really should take his own advice and go the fuck away.

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@CS in AZ @CS in AZ It appears that Kos has been making headlines lately that make the Democratic Party appear elitist and lacking compassion. All those tweets telling people they deserve misery because they voted for Trump have been rippling. That he hasn't been reigned in by someone at the DNC is telling. In the meantime, moral icons over at DKos, like Wee Mama, continue to support him. Kind of like trying to convince someone you are pro-choice while lauding Pope Francis.
Apparently there have been some people who have followed his career and felt it was important to expose him. I had been making anti-CIA comments there before my time and am now wondering, with Kos's background with the CIA, that I pissed him off. I still think he wrote that message to me.

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... If you really want to say the words “identity politics” in a demeaning way, go the fuck away, or I will make you go away. ...

Sounds to me like the excuse for extending The Purge which was supposed to end with the general election...

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And here I thought that the NY Times was a corporatist / State Department propaganda organ.

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@doh1304
Along with the Washington Poo...

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@Oldest Son Of A Sailor The Washington Washing Machine Leveller?

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He is an albatross, in both senses; one, a rare bird that appears awkward, and in the "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" sense. He is a shit-stirrer.

I read his books, I wonder whatever became of Jerome Armstrong. But, and perhaps I will be called a purist in this day and age, but to me, if you hold contradictory ideas in your head at the same time; if you say one thing and do another, you lose your credibility.

Apparently today credibility is cheap. Look at Trump, his credibility is below the interest rate!

We can't even count the ways we are being robbed right now. The GOP is playing out the clock, like they always do (ref: global warming hello), and looting as they can. Our country is being looted, just like Russia is being looted.

I fucking love France tonight. Their people. Fucking love them. They are smart. And they have a fabulous country...

...that would like to be second...
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@Bluesee

if you say one thing and do another

is a trigger I learned about in ACA school, Adult Children of Alcoholics. Not saying anyone is an alcoholic, but the behavior seems really familiar, that's all.

Master Manipulators
Alcoholics are master manipulators. They may not have been con artists before they started drinking but they come to have remarkable skills. They are the folks who can sell ice to Eskimos. They will pick a fight with you because they want to leave and they will have you believing it’s your fault. They show little or no accountability. They may have had integrity before their addiction kicked in but it will be conspicuously absent from their lives as they spiral. There is often one exception to this rule for each alcoholic – one thing they do especially well and it will most generally be their sole source of self esteem. We have known a large number of alcoholics who have incredible work ethics because being a good worker is the one thing they know they’re good at…well, they will say that and drinking.

So every time I hear a D utter the phrase "hard work" it alerts me to look a little deeper at what they're about. It has become kind of exhausting lately, lol.

Peace

oops edited: for grammar, i think?

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@eyo http://coda.org/

Abusive people — the ones whom, no matter how bad things get, the person in a co-dependent relationship just can’t bring themselves to break away from — are indeed master manipulators.

That’s why I think the whole identity-politics thing has gone down the wrong path. It encourages “mining” of historical or sociological grievance to extract, not just economic rent (rent-seeking), but what might be termed moral and emotional rent.

The “mined“ person or institution in the relationship is accused of “privilege” and is expected to submit to parasitical, abusive, or even criminal behavior on the part of the “miner(s).”

You can see this manipulation going on in any system or situation. What gives the game away is, when rewards accrue not to constructive activity but rather to those actors most skilled at weaponizing blame and monetizing guilt.

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@lotlizard This describes the exact relationship that the Democratic party has with its base. dkos is simply the most overt example of this abusive relationship, but it permeates the entire party. Bill Clinton was the master manipulator in abusing the base. It is interesting because he came from a family in which his alcoholic stepfather was abusive to his mother which is probably where he learned so much of it.

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@gulfgal98

He didn't need to look far to learn about abuse.

His lifelong mentor was Senator Fulbright, who filibustered to try to save Jim Crow before he was against it.

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@gulfgal98 These comments about the abusive relationship between Dem party elites and their base are so spot on. I've often noticed the parallels in behavior between political actors and alcoholics/addicts personality traits. DK is a great place to observe it. It's amazing that the tactics have worked for as long as they have. But they do seem to be backfiring, finally.

One of the articles mentioned that kos was from the "influential" dkos website. Is that even a true statement anymore? Was it ever? Not sure about you, but whenever I used to ask people if they'd ever heard of the site, huge % said no.

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The need and desire to be rented or rented to, @lotlizard .

This really struck me as a strong Affective stimulus. I've long suggested that America has a national Stockholm Syndrome problem, and many of us have reached the state of learned helplessness. This comes from the constant and perpetual abuse and brutalization from Big Corporate & the Oligarchs.

We really are rather powerless as individuals. Have we ever been a people in the last 50 years? Since the Civil Rights era or the Moonshot?

Today, given the titillation and randomized glinting of the shattered mediascape all highlighting abusive, dehumanizing, and terrifying human situations, those emotional affects that leave us brutalized are coming a million a minute.

We have been conditioned to want to rent or be rented. We need that. I would surmise that the end result is a really fucked up FEAR and CARE affect. FEAR and CARE are 2 of the 7 primary level mammalian emotions.

FEAR is just that, a fear response -- running away, hiding, fighting -- a fight or flight affect.

CARE is non-sexual emotional attachment

These primary processes, deep in the midbrain, are stroked with stimuli, become the baseline AFFECTS for the neocortex to process. Conditioning and learning happens as a secondary process, and tertiary processes happen at the very top of the brain to set the self aware meta for the individual: how do I fit in kind of stuff.

Regarding this idea on Rent, I'm primarily concerned with the tertiary processes.

The tertiary processes, I believe, are where complex emotions like jealousy happen. What is jealousy? It's the combination of RAGE, FEAR, and CARE affects.

What is the combination of FEAR and CARE regarding being rented and rented to? I don't know what it is but it can't be healthy.

After a bit of editing on this comment, it seems to me that jealousy might be it. That might be what America has OD'd on. But I tend to think it's a little more complex than jealousy...

Anyway, just wanted to share that idea of Affect in relation to the rented and rented to idea above.

Here's a link to some of Jaak Panksepp's (RIP) groundbreaking work:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181986/

I'd also recommend a YouTube search on his name. Find the longest pieces you can, those are his actual presentations, and they're friggin' fascinating.

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@k9disc Interesting tidbits gleaned from the Infogalactic or Wikipedia entry on Panksepp. He seems to have done research on laughter in non-human animals (!) and had a significant influence on Temple Grandin and her work.

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Part of his research led him to the understanding that rats didn't like to be picked up by their tails. It was traumatizing.

All the data from the Skinner boxes back in the day is most likely pretty skewed because they were working with traumatized critters.

Here's part 1 of 2 of my favorite online talk of his:

Completely fascinating stuff, @lotlizard , all of you should totally check it out.

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@k9disc https://www.verywell.com/harry-harlow-and-the-nature-of-love-2795255

In a series of controversial experiments conducted in 1960s, Harlow demonstrated the powerful effects of love. By showing the devastating effects of deprivation on young rhesus monkeys, Harlow revealed the importance of a caregiver’s love for healthy childhood development.

His experiments were often unethical and shockingly cruel, yet they uncovered fundamental truths that have heavily influenced our understanding of child development.

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@Bluesee Loved the video. Better yet, loved the quote:

Look at Trump, his credibility is below the interest rate!

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I fucking love France tonight. Their people. Fucking love them. They are smart. And they have a fabulous country

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@Bluesee

What clock? They are winning... so are the Democrats. The establishment is quite happy with the status quo and winning elections is only a nicety... you get to sell yourself for somewhat more if you win. You cite global warming in particular but what, other than lip service, has the Democratic party done about it. Just as in all things, they are superb at pious hand-wringing but that's where it ends. I hold up the Paris Climate accord as evidence. That was trumpeted as a huge win by the Democratic party. The reality is that it was wholly inadequate to do anything. It was a photo-op, nothing more.

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@SnappleBC Thank you for saying this. One of the most infuriating things I've had to deal with is people going on about that useless piece of paper; if you push them hard enough, they'll say "Well, it's better than nothing!" an anti-scientific bit of nonsense that no one with a brain should endorse.

Doctor: "You've got the early signs of lung cancer. You must stop smoking."
Patient: "Well, Dr., I'm willing to go from 3 packs a day to 1."
Doctor: "No, you have to stop smoking."
Patient: "Dr, you certainly are being a purist. If you're this hard to deal with, nobody will ever make a deal with you, and nothing will ever get done. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."
Doctor: "If you don't stop smoking, you'll die."
Patient: "You just don't understand how Washington works, Dr. You're actually hurting your own side by talking like this. And anyway, if you walk away from me, where will you go? The waiting room is full of patients who are cancer deniers, and they will kick and scream and punch you if you tell them they have cancer. You're much better off with me."
Doctor: "If you keep smoking you'll die."
Patient: "Well, I can see that you're just an extremist, Dr. I'm going to switch doctors, and tell all my friends you can't be worked with. It's a shame, but when you refuse to compromise people you have to expect to get blacklisted. Anyway, we can all see that extremists like you are actually a hindrance in the fight against cancer."

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Twitter followers called him “unhinged” and wondered if he’s been smoking crack.

So Markos: Do Asian people love golf?

Smile

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there was an “Ideas” conference for Democrats
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The cover said, “Ideas for Action.” Inside there was nothing but blank pages.

LOL! Thanks for the update, wordsmith. To think I ever participated in D-Vitriolic actions is creepy, I'm glad to be rid of it/them. Another vacuum awaits those fools. Yet another vacuum, mmph they are good at sucking, ha ha.

Peace

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On a blog.

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The donation button works, but the mission statement button does not.

(I read that here. I didn't go to Her website.)

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@HenryAWallace ROTFLMAO!!!

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his personal hate email "Paloozas", the stuff he got in his email inbox by vulgar people who hated him. Have forgotten how it was called. To me that revealed on what he thrived. There was no need to publish that. He did. What for?

As I think there is no need for a "Markos attachment syndrome". It's all good for archival purposes, but that's all and about it.

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@mimi Likely because most of it is reasoned criticism from the Left these days.

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Beats me why anyone would have a Kos subscription at this point. If you do, you are funding the Right's propaganda efforts.

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@Bollox Ref were gifted those subscriptions.

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in his efforts to veal pen minority demographic slices and attempts to wall off social justice issues off from economic justice issues while trying to make the case that any politician or his/her followers that attempts to cure and correct both is some kind of latent racist, sexist or misogynist.

Modern Democrats can be noted primarily for their lip service to both minority groups, which they see purely as essential voting blocs, and the poor, working and middle classes in general (which are comprised of ALL demographic identities) while effectively doing NOTHING to alleviate or mitigate their real life issues and problems through legislation or the justice system. Kos is attempting to maintain that status quo very vigorously and IMO it can only be because he is paid for his viewpoint and He Got His, because his separation of social and economic justice makes no logical or moral sense.

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@Phoebe Loosinhouse that the 1% has been using to control us for centuries, it's nothing new. It certainly makes it clear which side he's on though.

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@dervish

It worked there, too:

"The woman made me do eat the fruit You told us not to eat!"

That's how early divide and conquer started. Also not taking responsibility for one's own actions. And sexism. And, of course, sinning. Somewhere around Day 8 or 9.

(just kidding)

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It goes way deeper. He is the most self-serving, self-interested personality I've ever seen. He has zero empathy for anything but him and his. He has a ton of money, lives in an expensive house in an expensive neighborhood. The only thing his money can't buy him is white. I think it pisses him off, which is why he always rails against white people. The only other issue he ever got passionate about - long before Trump and Obama - was immigration and hispanics. I think women and other minorities are just camouflage to hide his own racism and bigotry. As one of three white children in my grade in a mostly all black school, I experienced some physical, emotional, and verbal abuse because I was white. It really pissed me off when he said that only black people could decide what was racist. Kos' big head and racist attitudes are why dkos has race wars.

Kos was in the right place at the right time. He fell into a pile of sh!t and came out smelling like a rose. Since his blog, money, and fame comes from rich, white, gringos, Kos can GFH.

PS - They missed one of Kos' best.

Daily Kos Founder Gleefully Celebrates Coal Miners Losing Health Insurance

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@dkmich for sure I’d encourage them to have empathy with and be sensitive to their non-white peers. But the way things are going, I’d also have them read a few things like this essay:

Notes for a white kid in university: an introduction to the blindingly obvious

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Mining, colonizing, and appropriating from above and pretending that it has always been so.

This piece ignores trivial things like Zero and numbers.

I get the gist, and I think it's an important gist, but it's simple truthiness that ignores complex reality. It's no different from which it decries.

@lotlizard

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@k9disc However, it is not healthy for young whites to be indoctrinated at university or in any other institutional framework with the idea they are tainted with something evil.

Nor is it healthy or helpful to psychologically condition anyone of any age to submit to bullying or intimidation. All of that is, in my opinion, gaslighting.

Insiders at TOP decided whites are fair game. We all saw how that worked out.

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@k9disc
The definition of "white" is a slippery thing - about 100 years ago it did not include persons of Italian birth or ancestry.

The Renaissance started in Italy.

So yeah, it was started by people who were at one time considered "nonwhite". (And being a full 1/4 Italian, I tend to get rather grouchy about that.)

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@TheOtherMaven In common stereotypes, the lighter people of the “industrious, law-abiding North” (that Lega Nord represents) versus the darker people of the “lazy, organized-crime-enabling South.”

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@lotlizard

Between northern and southern Italy. The northern people have light hair and skin. The people from southern Italy have dark hair and skin. Even their language is different. The north speaks a more classic Italian, while the south does not.

I think all races have done good and bad things. Each should be appropriately proud and ashamed. I think white shaming and male shaming is just as bad fat shaming, slut walking, and any other stereotype that is designed to elevate self at the expense of the other.

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@dkmich
Wherever the Normans went - and that includes southern Italy and Sicily - you will still find blond hair and blue eyes.

Italy is full of dialect, north and south - you just don't hear as much about the northern dialects because they weren't popularized by local songwriters. (The main reason for the survival, and popularity, of Neapolitan dialect is the Naples version of Tin Pan Alley.)

If I recall correctly, "classical" or "proper" Italian is actually based on the Florentine dialect....

Time was, during the high tide of the Kingdom of Sicily, that the ambitious, industrious South could complain about the warring barbarians up North.

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@lotlizard @lotlizard
(fixed spelling mistakes)
I would not make my kid read an article like that (but also not try to prevent it from finding it him/herself and reading it and then make up his/her mind about it).

The power of manipulating emotions by one "ethnicity" or "race" or "gender" towards the other is in imo a dyed-in-the wool characteristic of the human species and as such a thing which can't be avoided, has to be experienced, struggled with and brooded over by any person on his/her own.

For some strange reason I had been very much exposed to such struggles since I was a very young woman. It followed me throughout life and will follow me until I die. And there is pretty much nothing anyone can do about it, other than to accept its existence. It's rare that my little arguments I am able to utter against it at times, come out in the open, and if at all then in places like this one.

I more and more just sit it out, pretend to ignore it, and am mostly silent and wait til its over.
That too is bashed as cowardly. I try to ignore that too.

Yes, it's tiring and I am glad when it's finally all over, a point in time some Godly powers made sure we all arrive at.

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@Phoebe Loosinhouse

because his separation of social and economic justice makes no logical or moral sense.

One day one of these non-racists in the Democratic party are going to explain to me why Martin Luther King was such a damned racist.

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@Phoebe Loosinhouse

of America is getting much worse, and it's is piling a world of hurt on nearly everyone -- regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, ideology, or anything else. Monstrous financial institutions and pork barrel military contractors have been robbing us all blind, aided and abetted by bought-off politicians of both Parties, while we quarrel among ourselves over issues of far less immediate importance.

Moulitsas' cock-eyed "strategy" is to play up the innate cultural and racial differences that tend to divide the nation, in hopes of somehow "defeating" or wresting power from a primarily white, and often conservative culture, which he has deemed to be the "Other Side"... all the while utterly ignoring the fact that both "Sides" of this Government-by-Duopoly, this idiotically dualistic power structure, are being funded by the very same fat cats who are stealing everyone's money.

This is a formula for never-ending acrimony. It's a vindictive, intolerant, other-blaming sort of approach, one that pits poor and struggling people against one another in the interests of the rich.

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@native
think that the ensuing browning of America will eventually top the white menace that cripples this country, eventually putting whites in their proper place - the back of the bus. That's what it sounds like, anyway. Thing is, most whites don't give a damn that they're soon about to be the minority "race" in these united states. And, doesn't seem to get that whites care less about skin color and "race" than they do the actual issues a candidate supports. Funny that he backed Hillary, who is as white as they get.

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@Wink @Wink
and see if you think "your people" being Top Dog will make the world any better. (Heinlein's point, which was missed in all the "racist" fooferaw, was that whoever is Top Dog will enslave and oppress whoever isn't.)
Diablo

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@TheOtherMaven

          ... from some when I mention this, one of my favorite Heinlein stories. It is nice to see someone else that gets it.

          It's like "Planet of the Apes" but much more interesting and less heavy handed.
Pardon

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@native I'm pretty sure that is the point.

If non-rich whites and non-rich POC are tearing each other apart, that will take the .01% permanently off the hook. A race war would function as a storm drain, carrying away the rage and pain of the populace, far away from the people causing it.

It would also provide a wonderful excuse for further ramping up the police state.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

As long as the cash keeps flowing in the right direction.

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@Phoebe Loosinhouse I guarantee you he didn't come up with that strategy. It was cooked up by some DC consultant and spread far and wide.

It's a Democratic Party tribute to Grover Norquist!

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@Phoebe Loosinhouse very sinister indeed: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/06/markos-moulitsas-fake-daily-kos-f...

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@dervish @Cassiodorus to make our site more visible via Facebook and Twitter.

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Not only that, but you and some other Caucusers post some of the most intelligent and interesting stuff I've seen or heard on the net. Kudos.

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@gjohnsit

You are one of our consistent top draws on FB. Your essays are always interesting, informative, and top notch. So glad you are here.

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@gjohnsit I'm not sure, however, that advertising C99% as a place where people grouse about DKOS is really that thing which boosts our Alexa ratings here. How about some guest presenters, like they used to have on Firedoglake before it became Shadowproof and kicked out its commenting audience? And whatever happened to OPOL's presence here? He used to assemble huge crowds over at the Orange Monster. I see him in my threads on Facebook these days, but not here.

Of course all of our problems would be solved if we had a VIABLE POLITICAL PARTY and weren't reduced to jeering from the sidelines.

I've got plenty of online work to do today, and I need to get some groceries so I can eat breakfast and do that work. Oh, and I've got a book to write! So...

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@Cassiodorus

My own experience has been that a rant that comes off the top of my head and the tips of my fingertips in three minutes often gets more response than a post I've researched and written painstakingly. However, it's the second kind of post I prefer doing, so, selfishly perhaps, I do more of them.

If this were the only kind of post gjohnsit or anyone here made, it might become a problem, but gjohnsit posts on a lot of subjects and the board as a whole contains a variety of political topics.

It's a catch 22: traffic attracts people to a site, but how do you use traffic to attract people to a site if you don't already have heavy traffic? Traffic is a draw because it means lots to read and respond to and, one hopes, lively exchanges. Posts themselves both are traffic and attract traffic. So, I don't think anyone should be discouraged from posting on any topic, especially gjohnsit, who is amazingly prolific.

I think you've mentioned some very good things and I thank you for that. Unless I am failing to see a pitfall, I think the worst that could happen is that something new addition doesn't work out well and gets dropped. So, the downside risk doesn't seem great.

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@HenryAWallace since I am more familiar as to how it works. The way Twitter works is that if your followers retweet a post you (C99) has made, it has a chance to be seen by all that person's followers. This has the potential to create a wider audience and hopefully members here.

For example, in the last week, our tweets (which include both C99 essays and retweets of other posts) earned 5,240 impressions, which is the number of times a user saw these tweets.

The top tweet from the last week was Lone Star Mike's essay which had over 2,500 impressions and 141 engagements which are the number of time a user clicked on the tweet or recommended it or retweeted it. Compared to the big boys sites, we are small potatoes, but we are hoping that Facebook and Twitter can spread the word about us. The key to building this site long term is having great essays which will further engage new members. I cannot thank enough gjohnsit and the others who write here every day or nearly every day.

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@gulfgal98 @gulfgal98 @gulfgal98 we just gained four new followers tonight.

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@gjohnsit It’s your ongoing dedication and hard work that keeps dark forces away from “Progwarts” a.k.a. caucus99percent.

The realization how much we are in your debt really struck me when I went over to JackPine Radicals earlier today and saw how they are currently recovering from a big IT failure.

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/colossal-fuck-up/

Mahalo nui loa, brah.

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@Cassiodorus @Cassiodorus A cadre of quality posters (which we already have) will eventually attract numbers, and the material and exchanges will be worth seeking out and reading.

GOS has the other extreme, long threads of dreck and dross that few want to read.

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@Cassiodorus

I think we have a fair amount of readers/lurkers. They don't post essays or comment. Because the tip button doesn't identify people, they can't show there presence that way either. However, when a barn burner essay appears, people I thought were long gone, do post in comments.

As gulfgal said, we are doing our best on FB and Twitter. Anything you or anyone else can do to help would be greatly appreciated.

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@Cassiodorus Sure. Just create a movement that has a hope in hell of making any difference in people's lives, disseminate it through the website, and the website will prosper.

It's not the website that is the problem. Of course people don't come by; we don't have a strategy for doing anything. They came for Bernie; they stayed roughly up to the General, because there was a possibility that a movement would come out of Bernie's campaign; it didn't, the left splintered, and people didn't want to come here to pick over the bones of our hopes.

Even I got demoralized and stopped writing essays. As horrible as the first ten months of 2016 were, especially from about mid-April to October, what followed was much more horrible, in that it created a political landscape that has no place for an actual left wing; nor does it have a place for an honest critique of the establishment from any ideological perspective.

I'm impressed that we are still afloat; IMO, we are only still afloat because a lot of us like one another, and generally people here treat each other with respect.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

about making c99 active in electoral politics.

got a lot of recs. did you see all that?

something like that might draw traffic.

people are tired of "chat' which goes nowhere, as Cassiodorus said.

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@irishking I respect the hell out of Joe, but disagree with him about threatening the Democrats with anything. I think his idea is excellent as far as gathering people together and staking out some political territory goes (keeping us from becoming invisible) and I think it could lead to actions which would have a positive impact, but the aim as stated troubles me: Democrats have made it obvious that they don't care whether we stay or go, and also don't care whether they win or lose.

If you want to threaten a Democrat, either be a billionaire and threaten to a)withdraw your money from them, or b)back a primary challenger, or be anybody at all and threaten to expose the data they don't want people to see.

They don't care about our votes, even after having fallen flat on their faces. They say they care only in order to advance their ever-popular "Poor Me" narrative: poor, poor me, those nasty progressives were mean to me, if they'd just stuck with me I would have beaten that right wing thug over there, those bad, mean progressives hurt my feelings so bad...etc. etc. etc.

Where I think Joe's idea could work is in drawing people together who agree, and staking out a piece of political territory. That would be a good idea, a very good thing to do. but I worry about the notion of playing hardball with the Democrats via our votes.

If I had a demand, it would be Occupy's one demand, which got conveniently forgotten every time the press asked itself what on earth those hippies wanted: end corporate control of the government. I'd reframe it now as: end the control of politics and the law by the wealthy.

I am more on the same wavelength as Phoebe's essay, which talked about getting away from looking upward for political meaning and getting more into building new political infrastructure with each other.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal I also believe that little will be accomplished if our actions are 100% online. There would need to be actions we took in the real world which then could be made visible through essays about them on the site. And I don't mean showing up to a 50,000-person march some NGO organized. What could we organize?

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

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There are probably lots of things people just haven't thought of yet, or which would require some (crowdfunded?) investment.

Must say that I love this sort of thing:

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/artist_projects_emoluments_cla...

Artist Projects Emoluments Clause Onto Trump Hotel in Washington, D.C.
Posted on May 16, 2017

By Emma Niles

Viewers around the country were shocked and delighted by a series of projections cast onto the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., on Monday night. The projections included such phrases as “Pay Trump Bribes Here” and the emoluments clause of the Constitution:

The emoluments clause, also known as the Title of Nobility Clause, states:

No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.

Critics have argued that President Trump is in violation of this clause, and the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington filed a lawsuit against Trump earlier this year, alleging he has violated this clause because his businesses accept payments from foreign governments. ...

... “I was reading this thing about when you deal with authoritarian governments, you have to create your own story,” he told the Times. “If we’re reacting to these people all the time, they can just play us. So, part of the thing is making things that you can laugh at, that you can share, that aren’t just reacting to them.”

And, of course, there was such as the overpass Light Brigade thing and I'm drawing a blank for others at the moment, apart from spray-painting protest slogans, etc.(probably not the best idea as it can be framed, as well as charged, as vandalism) and the banner thing, which seems pretty common.

But there are probably lots of things being done and perhaps even not yet being done/thought of - creative and pacific things that could reach at least some of the public without, ideally, getting any participants shot. And which, if organized from people at this site, might be picked up by what remains of other Progressive media sites, also giving C99 increased visibility.

Dunno if this triggers any thoughts? Or if this isn't the sort of thing you were thinking of?

And this is probably really stupid, but what about - rather than flash dances - flash political comedy? With the level of writing displayed here, how many could come up with short, illustrative, punchy and amusing scenarios which could be enacted on-the-spot by small groups with megaphones or whatever? Limited to good weather and areas with room not to be hauled off - such as well-populated public parks, perhaps?

Also a number of musicians on here, at least some of whom probably write - possibly free mini-concerts using musical political parody might educate some people through humour?

Dunno, but considering the number of captured progressive propaganda sites, there's an awful lot of disinformation to counter...

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@irishking We would need to decide where our boundaries are, which is sort of what's happening now on the left, though the process is being driven not by people like us, but by the horrible establishment. Any organizing effort has one ugly question down in its digestive tract that must be dealt with sooner or later: what makes a person NOT "one of us?" Who are "we?" What constitutes betrayal, and what will we do when it occurs?

If we're going to do anything, we need to face the question of where our boundaries are; we also need, IMO, to have a reasonable approach to corruption and co-optation, and the best approach we can come up with for infiltration of our movement.

If I'm to do anything, I want to integrate my knowledge--and all our knowledge--of how the enemy works into whatever we build, from the beginning.

It's clear that the enemy relies on corruption, co-optation, controlled opposition, and what I might call the "loyalty oath matrix of memes" in which people are attacked for disloyalty and being generally a meanie for calling out bad or foolish behavior in other progressives, liberals, or people who once were progressives and liberals (or plants who purported to be such).

The trick is to figure out how to neutralize that set of attacks without backing into witch-hunts and our own version of McCarthyism. It's a pickle, but not one absolutely beyond our abilities, I think.

If we're serious about doing anything, we should also keep a record of memes/talking points used by our opposition.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

once you drop the idea that only democrats need apply.

the idea is to have something dynamic here that people would check in on.

agree that real action must be a part or this is more "chat".
the creation of the spread sheet 6pak refers to could use reports from field.
we could dispatch people to confront pols, wave the platform at them ask what the problem is.

etc.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

I don't believe that pitching to dems only makes sense,either. But the idea does not really require that.

we are looking to identify & support candidates who will pledge to support our platform. that is the party label.

that is what I want from a politician, and nothing less will do.
if we support that we are building from the ground up, and bypass the party establishment.

In other words, we decide whom to support. the dem party does not choose for us. If someone runs as a dem or rep is irrelevant if he or she is good on the issues. Screw the parties, but we must fill the slots or at least sink the fuckups so that they fear us.

This means getting our hands in the elections, imo.
can we use c99 to get leverage over candidates.

bring them to jesus, so to speak. we need to get on the radar, or reassess what our purpose is here. does the world need another chat room?
thx.

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@irishking I thought that was one of best things about Occupy Wall Street. Anyone opposed to Wall Street’s vast power was welcome.

Of course, as soon as OWS began to gain real traction, on the usual discussion sites the sowers of division promptly appeared to demand answers to their questions (that is, pick fights).

Hadn’t we seen that there were Ron Paul supporters there? they asked. Didn’t we realize that if a goal is also shared by people on the Right, that instantly and totally discredits it?

Edited to add:
Another example of a concerted effort to make transcending the Left-Right divide taboo. Jane Hamsher, who ran the forum site FireDogLake, once posted a suggestion that people on the Left and Right could work together on some issues. What was the result? A hugely disproportionate, orchestrated pile-on by cliques of commenters who, from that time on, disparaged Jane anytime she or her site was mentioned. A new term of scorn, “Firebaggers” — similar to “Teabaggers” for Tea Party Republicans — was even concocted for the purpose.

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@lotlizard
with Grover Norquist that wanted an investigation into Rahm Emanuel and Freddie Mac. Here's the whole situation as summarized by nakedcapitalism and their actual letter calling for the Justice Department to look into the situation and a link to their petition.

Jane Hamsher, Grover Norquist Call for Rahm Emanuel's Resignation

This is an insightful lesson for all of us. Jane was treated afterwards like Chuck Conners in the TV show "Branded". The rest of the Democratic/Liberal community stood in formation while her epaulets were ripped off, her saber was broken and accompanied by a drumroll, she was marched to the gates of the compound and cast out into the wilderness.

This is what happens to anyone who breaks ranks and criticizes a member of their own tribe. It happened to just about everyone on this site who dared to be critical of She Whose Turn It Is on DK.

What is even more instructive is how Firedoglake, which had GREAT posters and commenters and reporting was eventually infiltrated and killed and it could easily happen here. One of the major tenets of party apologists was that people who criticized Obama based on his policies were really racists. Gee, why does this remind me of "people who follow Bernie for his policies are really racists/sexists"? Because it's exactly the same strategy. Anyway, Firedoglake was invaded by repugnant commenters who were disgusting abhorrent racists who made nauseating posts about Barack Obama. The moderation was completely and totally lacking as there was no ability to flag or complain or oust these commenters and the official moderators were missing in action. I had to leave the place because the community pages became a sewer, all due to lack of oversight and moderation.

Because this site is made up of (mostly) Bernites/lefties/dis-affected Democrats/ it really behooves us to watch out for this kind of infiltration and disruption - lots of people have a vested interest in painting us and our commentary and viewpoints and opinions, which dare to criticize Democrats, as racist-sexist-misogynists, which is how they drove us out of the compound in the first place. If people veer into the kind of commenting that I am talking about, it needs to be addressed immediately by all of us and the owners of this site.

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@Phoebe Loosinhouse but that’s the way I see it too.

Because this site is made up of (mostly) Bernites/lefties/dis-affected Democrats/ it really behooves us to watch out for this kind of infiltration and disruption — lots of people have a vested interest in painting us and our commentary and viewpoints and opinions, which dare to criticize Democrats, as racist-sexist-misogynists, which is how they drove us out of the compound in the first place. If people veer into the kind of commenting that I am talking about, it needs to be addressed immediately by all of us and the owners of this site.

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@lotlizard

For me it’s important that the movement transcend Right and Left

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@irishking I think, despite my misgivings about Joe's idea, that it's still the best idea for drawing people together and generating traffic around.

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@irishking Here's another way of putting it. If we start a third party, it's practically a given that we won't make much headway electorally, for all kinds of reasons. The party would have to provide some other benefit to the people, like the Black Panthers did. Their electoral efforts were only one part of what they did.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

as I see it, there are two problems that limit our choices.

1. Time- we may not have a lot left. we can't afford to let the government continue on this track for even 10 more years.

2. Scale- the most pressing problems require federal action. 100 free-lunch programs won't stop the war, raise wages. or get us MFA.

What we need probably has to come from Congress, and it can't wait long.

This is my problem with "fuck electoral politics". It is almost certain that public policy will be made by Congressmen, not community organizers.

if we leave it to them, they will make all the law they need to snuff us out.
worse than useless to elect more corrupted, gutless, dems.

agree on that. But if we don't oppose & defeat them in the elections, our chances are near zero , imo.

thx.

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@irishking The grassroots couldn’t even save Dennis Kucinich from the bipartisan conniving that eliminated his district, thus gerrymandering him out of his seat.

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@lotlizard @lotlizard

This is a path to follow. It probably leads nowhere,for any of many reasons.

There does seem to be a division here between those who want to see c99 used in a more active way to influence elections, and those who don't.

I would like to know how that question resolves first. Pointless to spin plans for c99 action if the desire is not here. Really this is a question for site management to answer. (if it is worth their attention)

Some ideas were given in Joe Shikspak post. I have posted on it, but these involve c99 and may be DOA.
thx.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal thanks for having the discussion, it's my view that more is not better. I think blogs are practically worthless for political action. If y'all want to make money, a profit or whatever, that might be doable with ads and stuff, whatever new robot reaper BigTech is pushing. Trying to grow a movement on the Internet sounds like kos exactly, please don't. If money is a problem just say, why not be transparent about funding and goals and such?

Wrangling political action on the Internets is McBullshit when oligarchs own every piece of it, they just turn a knob here and there when users get too out of line. If you don't believe me, disconnect from your "social" media for a month and observe the environment around you instead. Come back and tell me what difference it made to your brain thinking, I'll bet it is yuge. Maybe not, but that is what I see, different worlds.

Small is beautiful.

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@eyo

because I share a lot of it. It's so nice to come to small, civil community that is free from swarms and highly enforced groupthink. I think most of us share one common thought which is that the current political system and both parties aren't providing what we need and everything else just kind of jumps off from that. And, everything doesn't need to be seen through a political prism either, since the there is food to make, roses to smell, movies to watch, music to hear and stories to tell as well.

The one statement that I disagree with is "I think blogs are practically worthless for political action." I think most of the most valuable information I have gleaned over the past few years has come from blogs, large, small and in-between. They function as news aggregators, education and information sharing, venting vehicles, opinion shapers, etc. I wouldn't be the person I am now if it hadn't been for blogs being the University of the World.

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@Phoebe Loosinhouse not so good as action vehicles. I am talking about results, like NODAPL was great for raising awareness, and that has value that sometimes leads to positive action, usually on a looooong arc not seen in one or two election cycles. Accurate timely information is essential, I think. Blogs are good for that, I mean where is NODAPL now? In court, the camps are gone, the oil is flowing, spilling in fact, and the organizing was all done on Twitter and Facebook mostly. That's considered winning? Protestors beaten and arrested while tv nation snoozes online = not a victory in my book. It is one step forward, two steps back.

I think action organizing has to take another form short term. People need something to do between elections, Clintons are sucking up all the air again, blogs aren't enough to battle big money, big this, big that, big solidarity marches. That stuff is covering up what's left of the human detritus down here on the bottom. There it is I guess, it's just me, I might be the only one so close to the edge here. Forget it, please proceed. LOL just kidding, you know what I mean, I hope.

Thanks

Edit: dang I cannot type the phrase "you know what I mean" properly the first time ever, always leave out 'know'. Where's Freud when... oh never mind. heh

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@eyo You don't base the movement on the internet. You use the internet as a communications device for the movement, for as long as that is possible.

When it ceases to be possible, you move to your backup plan.

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He's been a dick for so long that the vast majority of actual leftists left his "left" site long ago. Now he's a nice, friendly target to get the MSM some brownie points. Everybody hates him, so let's DOGPILE!!!!!

Standard DNC playbook. He's "Designated Bad Guy" again, just like when he went after Lieberman. (Even though he was doing the right thing at that point, now they want to bring in the "Stop Calling Me an -ist" voters, so they're going after him to try to distance themselves from that message. Apparently people got sick of the labeling and are actively shutting off that message.)

He'll be reformed just in time for Clinton to run again.

Random good music to enjoy.

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@detroitmechworks

I'm going to mangle this but it was something like:

"A label is the exact opposite of understanding". In that same vein, Democrats like to toss around the pejorative labels and it is EXACTLY because they don't want to understand. The Democratic party cannot afford for us to understand each other. Neither can the Republican party.

That outcome would be the end of the oligarchy.

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Just to get this out of the way, Yes, I'm a plant from DKOS paid for by the DNC

@SnappleBC threaten our oligarchy as it always has had the potential to do.

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@SnappleBC

          ... we often say, "You can (pick one, or all) {measure it, calculate it, name it, describe it, detect it, et cetera} but that doesn't mean you understand it.

          But I am certain you are thinking of a quote in some other context.

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"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert J. McCloskey, U.S. State Department spokesman. From a press briefing during the Vietnam war.

@PriceRip

by Coen brothers.

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@SnappleBC Well said.

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@SnappleBC That's why the Occupy encampments had to be taken down.
Too much talking among the little people--even little people with vastly different ideologies.

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Check out this video by Cenk of TYT.

Never mind that Cenk ended up supporting the baroness in November, but the smackdown is masterful.

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@Benny @Benny

Democratic politicians in DC will do fine whether or not they get re-elected to the same office or higher office. https://caucus99percent.com/content/base-jonesing-lesson Hillary and Bill are perfect examples of how well DC pols do even when not holding office. However, when DC pols do get elected or re-elected, they can do horrific damage, like the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2008, which sucked money out of the globe, ffs--the US, the UK, Greece, Portugal, Spain, etc.--and DOMA and DADT and so much else.

So, yes, I do very much mind someone making a living from the left out of bashing Democrats--except for the only times that it actually matters to the left and to hundreds of millions of Americans and others around the world. I will not give them my money or my time or even a click.

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@Benny
nails it, I couldn't agree more. And, kos has his nose up the Corporate party's bung hole so far one would think he's smelling what they shovelling. But, no. He's totally immune or oblivious to the turd the party's become, just waiting to be flushed.

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@Wink

It's landing in a solid gold toilet. What else really matters?

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First, you don't invite DNC bots to a Democratic ideas conferences if you want ideas.

Second, the Clintons seem to believe--inexplicably--that the way to get people on their side is to berate them. In the 2008 primary, Clinton supporters like Krugman attacked "Obama boys," which was not only dumb, but charged with both racism and misandry. In 2016, it was "Bernie Bros" in the primary and "deplorables" in the general.

Taking that inexplicable tactic attitude to people just devastated by a disaster is another level, but it's not that much of a leap, is it? And, btw, hurricanes don't skip Democratic voters or lesser of two evils voters. So, in addition to being a horrible remark, it's not an intelligent one.

As far of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party, looking like the Tea Party: Nope. What actually looks a lot like the Tea Party? The Third Way wing of the Party--and for good reason. The Koch brothers conceived, funded and guided both the Democratic Leadership Council and the Tea Party. So, they're fraternal twins, both designed to take the country (and other countries) to the right to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

Finally, this has nothing to do with Kos, but it's much more important. I cannot stress this enough: Ignore income inequality. It's a red herring or a shiny thing. Absent armed revolution, the US government is never going to tell Exxon or General Electric what it can or cannot pay its top earners. All government is ever going to do about income inequality is maybe raise the minimum wage very little and probably also very slowly. So, we'll still have people making $20 million a year while others make $7.55 instead of $7.25 Whooptiefrickindo.

Focus on wealth inequality. Stop handing over our forest lands, mineral rights, oceans, etc. to the rich for next to nothing. Stop structuring tax laws so that Warren Buffet gets taxed less than his secretary. Stop keeping fines for breaking laws so low that they are a mere ordinary cost of doing business and well worth it, rather than painful, and so on.

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@HenryAWallace

They need to pay their fair share. How much money they make is up to them. I just want their taxes to go back to rates they paid under Eisenhower. They either make it here or sell it somewhere else.

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@dkmich It should be said twice! Smile

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@HenryAWallace @HenryAWallace

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@HenryAWallace

Public property belongs to the public. Nothing belongs to 'the government', (which is only legitimate in the US, when 'of, by and for the people') or to any public servant transiently holding a public office, which is delegated power by the public and having a salary paid by public money for the purpose of administering public property, public programs and all public policy in the public interest.

This needs to be mentioned. A lot.

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in many ways to keep an eye on Markos and occasionally remind people of what he is up to and what he stands for. He still wields some power on the national level and I think he is pissed off that the Bernie Sanders candidacy ruined some of that just when Kos was positioning himself for more power. Who knows, maybe he was hoping to have a spot in the White House somewhere under Hillary. He can still make mischief for the new left movement, so a report once in awhile on this site is a good idea.

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@Fishtroller 02

It's why I still go to DKOS daily. It's opposition research.

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@Fishtroller 02

Fishtroller02 said:

I think it's important in many ways to keep an eye on Markos and occasionally remind people of what he is up to and what he stands for. He still wields some power on the national level and I think he is pissed off that the Bernie Sanders candidacy ruined some of that just when Kos was positioning himself for more power. Who knows, maybe he was hoping to have a spot in the White House somewhere under Hillary. He can still make mischief for the new left movement, so a report once in awhile on this site is a good idea.

The truth so concise, and written quite nice
Which is why I decided to re-post it twice!

Wink

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Before this election, I truly felt part of a community there most of the time. But when he jumped on the Bernie-racist bandwagon straight from the Clinton camp, I knew something had snapped. And when he banned anti-HRC comments, diaries, or analysis, but said "Bernie Bro" was A-OK? That was chilling. And when his own straw polls showed month after month that Bernie was the 2/1 favorite of his site's members, he clearly gave us all the finger. I don't stay where I'm told I'm not welcome. He's like Huffington, a republican who cashed in by being anti-Bush.

The democratic party will continue to dwindle as they keep trying to compete with republicans as bribe-takers for the 1%, crying only for wedge social issues. So far, they've brought us what is now incipient fascism, also known as out-and-out fascism for many who suffer its worst abuses.

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"Fear is the mind-killer" - Frank Herbert, Dune

Lucky for the republicans democrats.

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great -- another GOP sweep of the state legislatures in a redistricting year.

jackass.

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@UntimelyRippd

I'm thinking that once the US Constitution has been rewritten to suit the corporate overlords, by the then-sufficient Republicans, Americans can no longer claim (oft-ignored) Constitutional rights to have any legal protections judicially considered in what will no doubt be be then-entirely 'Simon Says' 'laws', or in directly corporate-run courts, as described in the still-being-promoted TPP and other corporate coup 'trade deals'. Not that The Psychopaths That Be and their lackeys don't claim to be 'above the law', anyway...

Then the various halves of the Corporate Party will no longer be required at all, and I wonder what reward their components might expect from the other ruthless psychopaths who've found them useful up until then, with no law protecting anyone from the most powerful among the top fraction of the 1%? Traitors often don't fare well, after-the-fact, because it's been proven that they'll serve the highest bidder and can never be trusted by anyone, and, as previously mentioned, there will be no law but that of the mightiest of the mighty makes right.

And they might want their paid-out money back; what will remain to sustain those ever-increasing profits of the pathologically greedy but to predate upon those mere hundreds-millionaires below them until those run dry and TPTB begin to cannibalize each other for every trillion they can get?

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I don't know why anyone would have a NYT subscription either.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal might need one, but aside from that...

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@madfloridian We always appreciate cross posts from friends who want the same things.

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