Jade Helm part two or something else?

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 11/04/2018 - 4:43pm

Has anyone's city experienced the military working with the police in the early hours? Are these types of exercises happening in other states or maybe in states that are close to a military base?

Police, city council apologize after loud training exercise startles Ogden residents

OGDEN (AP) — Ogden police are apologizing that loud training activities early Saturday morning startled and confused some residents of the northern Utah city.

The Standard-Examiner reports that a joint military and law enforcement training exercise involved helicopters hovering over homes and other loud activities.

The training exercise took place at the abandoned Rite Aid building near the intersection of 24th Street and Monroe Boulevard, Ogden police officials said. The police department acknowledged in a 5 a.m. Facebook post that the training activity was both loud and late.

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The Ogden City Council sent a letter of apology to residents Saturday afternoon stating it had no prior knowledge of the exercise.

Here's what the Ogden police posted on its FB page.

If we woke you up last night we sincerely apologize. We were assisting members of our military as they carried out a training exercise.

Military and law enforcement routinely conduct training like this to increase interoperability and give our soldiers an opportunity to train in the most realistic environments available. All of this training is carefully planned and executed to balance realism and safety for everyone involved - especially for our citizens.

There is no denying - it was loud and it was late. Some were unsure of what was going on. Some woke up scared and confused. And for that, we apologize. We did not utilize social media because a crowd would have meant more people and less safety for everyone involved.

But here’s what we did do…

We sent an emergency notification through a reverse 911 in the affected area. We hope you received it. We know many of you did and we thank you for passing it on.

Okay then why would the military need to train in the most realistic environment in the first place? Is there a chance that they will be needing to come into a city sometime soon? I'm damn sure that this does go against posse comitatus. So why the drill?

What counts for the affected area? I live 10 blocks south of the area where this was held and I sure heard the helicopters this morning because they came right over my house. They were very loud because they were very low and they rattled my windows and scared both of my dawgs who came into the kitchen where I was. I hear them go over at times, but they are usually coming from the north east and flying higher up. Last night they came from the direction of their base in the south west. I'd say that I live in this affected area. I did not receive any warning that this was going to happen. What time did it supposedly go out? Why did it need to be done in the wee hours of the morning? Just so that people wouldn't come to watch?

They say that they had no prior warning of the event. Seriously? We are supposed to believe that a joint exercise hadn't been planned some time before it happened?

If you're interested in what Utahns think of this read the comments from the first link. They read pretty much like this statement from the police ends.

You know you’re from Ogden if you recognize the sounds of freedom! We live with them day in and day out as we support our military at Hill Air Force Base. Last night, Ogden had another opportunity to support our military - up close and personal. Thanks for coming through!

As divineorder wrote a North Ogden soldier, husband, father and friend lost his life in Afghanistan while he was on his 4th tour as a national guardsman. Local coverage here and here

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Submitted by divineorder on Sun, 11/04/2018 - 6:16pm

Hold on to your hat if you go read the following link.

@on the cusp Some will call this CT for sure.

In some respects though, it has a certain ring to it?

"US Has Been Preparing To Turn America Into A Military Dictatorship" http://t.co/O5xvv1qFWj #US #OperationGardenPlot pic.twitter.com/mbzlFy848J

— Ian Fleming (@SchweizerGeld) August 25, 2015

I found this when jb read your essay and reminded me of the scene in Michael Moore's latest movie where the kind of thing you experienced happened. Can't remember which city.

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Submitted by divineorder on Sun, 11/04/2018 - 6:31pm

Hmmmm, operation apparently has been going on for some time

Friday, 24 January 2014
Secret Military Training Blurs Line Between Police and Soldiers
Written by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.

SNIP

This synthesis of police and military is a threat to both civil liberty and a clear distinction between the purposes of the two organizations. The integration has progressed so far, though, that even the mainstream press is taking notice.

In an essay published in the Wall Street Journal last August, Radley Balko, author of the Rise of the Warrior Cop, presented chilling and convincing evidence of the blurring of the line between cop and soldier:

Driven by martial rhetoric and the availability of military-style equipment — from bayonets and M-16 rifles to armored personnel carriers — American police forces have often adopted a mind-set previously reserved for the battlefield. The war on drugs and, more recently, post-9/11 antiterrorism efforts have created a new figure on the U.S. scene: the warrior cop — armed to the teeth, ready to deal harshly with targeted wrongdoers, and a growing threat to familiar American liberties.

Balko rightly connects the menace of the martial police with the decline in liberty and a disintegration of legal boundaries between sheriffs and generals:

Americans have long been wary of using the military for domestic policing. Concerns about potential abuse date back to the creation of the Constitution, when the founders worried about standing armies and the intimidation of the people at large by an overzealous executive, who might choose to follow the unhappy precedents set by Europe's emperors and monarchs.

Given the critical role played by sheriffs in the protection of constitutionally guaranteed liberty, it is dismaying to read story after story describing the anxious acceptance — and occasionally the full-time petitioning — of military materiel by county lawmen.

It’s not just the conversion from cop to “warfighter” that is changing the landscape of law enforcement in America, however.

As The New American has chronicled, the Department of Homeland Security has their hooks in the precinct and sheriff’s department, as well.

SNIP
Worth reading the whole piece imo.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 11/04/2018 - 6:56pm

Thanks for finding this article

@divineorder

This has been happening since at least 2014

A spokesman for the Richland County Sheriff’s Department refused to identify who was participating in the exercise or why it was being carried out. The department did, however, issue a press release, warning that the war games could get loud. "Citizens may see military and departmental vehicles traveling in and around rural and metropolitan areas and may hear ordnance being set off or fired which will be simulated/blanks and controlled by trained personnel," it declared.

Maybe all the money and materiel flowing from the feds to local police is to prepare the latter to quell popular uprisings that result from the continued eradication by the former of freedom and individual liberty. One expert thinks that may be the case.

Yep. This is what I think is happening. Plus there doesn't seem to be much difference between how the police look from the military. They are wearing the same uniforms.

DHS, Fitzgerald believes, may be anticipating these riots and looks to them as a justification for the militarization of the police. “They [DHS grants] are not good, not healthy, and not constitutional,” Fitzgerald added.

Exactly why this is happening. There have been lots of executive orders written for when the shtf.
Here's Obama's contribution which I have verified.

I have read Balko's book twice and highly recommend it. He shows how the cops started becoming what they are after the drug war started and with the creation of SWAT. Police departments have been sending people to Israel for training by its military.
The WSJ link doesn't work for me... says file not found.

Friday, 24 January 2014 Secret Military Training Blurs Line Between Police and Soldiers Written by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D. SNIP This synthesis of police and military is a threat to both civil liberty and a clear distinction between the purposes of the two organizations. The integration has progressed so far, though, that even the mainstream press is taking notice. In an essay published in the Wall Street Journal last August, Radley Balko, author of the Rise of the Warrior Cop, presented chilling and convincing evidence of the blurring of the line between cop and soldier: Driven by martial rhetoric and the availability of military-style equipment — from bayonets and M-16 rifles to armored personnel carriers — American police forces have often adopted a mind-set previously reserved for the battlefield. The war on drugs and, more recently, post-9/11 antiterrorism efforts have created a new figure on the U.S. scene: the warrior cop — armed to the teeth, ready to deal harshly with targeted wrongdoers, and a growing threat to familiar American liberties. Balko rightly connects the menace of the martial police with the decline in liberty and a disintegration of legal boundaries between sheriffs and generals: Americans have long been wary of using the military for domestic policing. Concerns about potential abuse date back to the creation of the Constitution, when the founders worried about standing armies and the intimidation of the people at large by an overzealous executive, who might choose to follow the unhappy precedents set by Europe's emperors and monarchs. Given the critical role played by sheriffs in the protection of constitutionally guaranteed liberty, it is dismaying to read story after story describing the anxious acceptance — and occasionally the full-time petitioning — of military materiel by county lawmen. It’s not just the conversion from cop to “warfighter” that is changing the landscape of law enforcement in America, however. As The New American has chronicled, the Department of Homeland Security has their hooks in the precinct and sheriff’s department, as well. SNIP Worth reading the whole piece imo.

Submitted by divineorder on Sun, 11/04/2018 - 8:17pm

Sorry, I wonder why it is not accessible via the link ?

@snoopydawg @snoopydawg
More:

Wall Street Journal Issues Epic Correction On Radley Balko’s Error-Riddled Reporting
By S.H.A.M.E. • Aug 14, 2014 • Blog

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The Founding Fathers Fought the Revolutionary War to Stop the Type of Militarized Police We Now Have In the U.S.
Posted on August 20, 2014 by WashingtonsBlog

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 11/04/2018 - 8:29pm

How interesting

@divineorder

I wouldn't have known that he's related with the Koch brothers and while he has left out the worsening class war and inequality I don't think he had that in mind when he first started writing his book. This wasn't the reason why cops started becoming militarized, IMO. At least that's what I got from his book. I guess he could have added that in the latter part of it, but I just thought that he was focusing on how militarized they have become. I still recommend reading it if anyone is interested in how SWAT came into being. He said that Nixon started the drug war because he needed a platform to run on. He also shows how congress has done their part in making it worse. Biden in particular. Yep. There's uncle joe again looking out for industry's profits.

Leaving aside the libertarian politics of focusing on the militarization of police as the problem — rather than the worsening class war and inequality in this country that make a militarized police force inevitable — few have bothered to scrutinize the accuracy and professionalism of Balko's reporting.

The correction to Balko's reporting stands as one of the most epic reporting corrections in the annals of journalism. This isn't something to brag about now is it? Then again who knows if this correction is true? I've read from numerous sources that almost every agency in the government started buying certain types of bullets about a decade ago. Billions of rounds of ammunition. But was that true either?

Balko has even called for privatizing National Security, in a FoxNews article headlined: "National Security Needs Private Sector Innovation."

Even that article came with a correction

CORRECTION: Radley Balko's May 20 column incorrectly implied that the 1992 incident at Ruby Ridge occurred under the watch of Attorney General Janet Reno. William Barr was the Attorney General at the time. Reno oversaw the ensuing investigation.

I always thought Reno was the AG. Surprise.

Janet Wood Reno was an American lawyer who served as the Attorney General of the United States from 1993 until 2001. President Bill Clinton nominated Reno on February 11, 1993, and the Senate confirmed her the following month

Anyhoo, thanks for the article, divineorder. Interesting.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 11/04/2018 - 10:47pm

From your second link I found this one

@divineorder

Militarized Police and the Threat to Democracy

There is something deep in the American psyche which resents and resists military-style force in our neighborhoods. The hard-edged military pose of armored vehicles, heavy duty weaponry, and sound cannons, which can permanently damage hearing, may seem like modern crowd control to some law enforcement officials. But to the people in the community who are on the receiving end, it is an escalation of violence, in real terms and by the law.
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Eighty years later the federal government would attempt to acquit itself of that sell-out by using a federalized national guard to challenge segregation, enforcing African-American students’ rights to attend public schools in Little Rock, Arkansas.

In 1877 a law was passed which forbade the use of federal military resources in domestic law enforcement in any manner. The proscription, popularly known as Posse Comitatus, held up for more than a century.

In the past two decades the United States Congress began to chip away at the firewall between democratic policing and militarization, passing legislation authorizing the Department of Defense to give local police information on military training, and to provide equipment and facilities.

Local police departments became the recipients of military-grade weaponry, guns, tanks, armor, planes and the like. With the military equipment came the mind-set of police becoming warfighters, in a hostile environment — in one’s own community.

The governor of Missouri did not have to invoke martial law in Ferguson for it to look like martial law.
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This was written by Kucinich and he is referring to the protests after Michael Brown was killed. I think that by militarization of the police by the government has gone against posse comitatus as its stated here.

Thanks again for the links and for adding great commentary on this essay. Appreciate it.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 12:14am

I found the article on DHS buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammo

@divineorder

It's from 2013 during Obama's tenure. I've been reading about Ferguson when they called in the national guard. Remember when he spoke out about the violence that police were committing? Yeah me neither.

Is Homeland Security Preparing for the Next Wall Street Collapse?

Reports are that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is engaged in a massive, covert military buildup. An article in the Associated Press in February confirmed an open purchase order by DHS for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. According to an op-ed in Forbes, that’s enough to sustain an Iraq-sized war for over twenty years. DHS has also acquired heavily armored tanks, which have been seen roaming the streets. Evidently somebody in government is expecting some serious civil unrest. The question is, why?

Recently revealed statements by former UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown at the height of the banking crisis in October 2008 could give some insights into that question. An article on BBC News on September 21, 2013, drew from an explosive autobiography called Power Trip by Brown’s spin doctor Damian McBride, who said the prime minister was worried that law and order could collapse during the financial crisis. McBride quoted Brown as saying:

If the banks are shutting their doors, and the cash points aren’t working, and people go to Tesco [a grocery chain] and their cards aren’t being accepted, the whole thing will just explode.

If you can’t buy food or petrol or medicine for your kids, people will just start breaking the windows and helping themselves.

And as soon as people see that on TV, that’s the end, because everyone will think that’s OK now, that’s just what we all have to do. It’ll be anarchy. That’s what could happen tomorrow.

It then talks about what might happen when the banks fail again.

When depositors cannot access their bank accounts to get money for food for the kids, they could well start breaking store windows and helping themselves. Worse, they might plot to overthrow the financier-controlled government. Witness Greece, where increasing disillusionment with the ability of the government to rescue the citizens from the worst depression since 1929 has precipitated riots and threats of violent overthrow.

Fear of that result could explain the massive, government-authorized spying on American citizens, the domestic use of drones, and the elimination of due process and of “posse comitatus” (the federal law prohibiting the military from enforcing “law and order” on non-federal property). Constitutional protections are being thrown out the window in favor of protecting the elite class in power.

I'm thinking that we should keep an eye open on what's happening in our country.

Friday, 24 January 2014 Secret Military Training Blurs Line Between Police and Soldiers Written by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D. SNIP This synthesis of police and military is a threat to both civil liberty and a clear distinction between the purposes of the two organizations. The integration has progressed so far, though, that even the mainstream press is taking notice. In an essay published in the Wall Street Journal last August, Radley Balko, author of the Rise of the Warrior Cop, presented chilling and convincing evidence of the blurring of the line between cop and soldier: Driven by martial rhetoric and the availability of military-style equipment — from bayonets and M-16 rifles to armored personnel carriers — American police forces have often adopted a mind-set previously reserved for the battlefield. The war on drugs and, more recently, post-9/11 antiterrorism efforts have created a new figure on the U.S. scene: the warrior cop — armed to the teeth, ready to deal harshly with targeted wrongdoers, and a growing threat to familiar American liberties. Balko rightly connects the menace of the martial police with the decline in liberty and a disintegration of legal boundaries between sheriffs and generals: Americans have long been wary of using the military for domestic policing. Concerns about potential abuse date back to the creation of the Constitution, when the founders worried about standing armies and the intimidation of the people at large by an overzealous executive, who might choose to follow the unhappy precedents set by Europe's emperors and monarchs. Given the critical role played by sheriffs in the protection of constitutionally guaranteed liberty, it is dismaying to read story after story describing the anxious acceptance — and occasionally the full-time petitioning — of military materiel by county lawmen. It’s not just the conversion from cop to “warfighter” that is changing the landscape of law enforcement in America, however. As The New American has chronicled, the Department of Homeland Security has their hooks in the precinct and sheriff’s department, as well. SNIP Worth reading the whole piece imo.

Submitted by on the cusp on Sun, 11/04/2018 - 8:05pm

Military/police enforcement...Blurred Lines.

Somebody will bring it...and we can dance.
Blurred Lines

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Submitted by jabney on Sun, 11/04/2018 - 10:07pm

Meant as a compliment to 'on the cusp' for short comment above

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 10:03am

There are so many disturbing things

about this "exercise." I went to the first link and read the comments. What frightened me was how many citizens praised the police and military for working together to "keep us safe." None of this is about keeping us safe IMHO. There is already far too much militarization of local police departments and now we are using US military to work with the police?

There were some very good comments on the newspaper article. This one was succinct and captured how I saw this "exercise." I do believe that this is just another way to desensitize the American people to living in a police state.

justanothermike · 1 day ago
I do not think this is ok. It is traumatizing to people, and pets. Do we really need to get used to living in a police state? Military and police over homes in helicopters early in the morning? I just cannot believe we have gone this far as a society. Sigh

Edit to add this about the Posse Comitatus Act because it seems to be that the government more and more does not see itself subject to laws that were intended to curb its powers. I agree with snoopydawg that this "exercise' sure looks to be in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878 by President Rutherford B. Hayes. The purpose of the act – in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 – is to limit the powers of the federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States. It was passed as an amendment to an army appropriation bill following the end of Reconstruction and was subsequently updated in 1956 and 1981.

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Submitted by WaterLily on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 10:08am

I can't prove this.

But I'm pretty sure this sort of thing has happened near Burlington, VT in the past. There was one particular period of time, two or three years ago if memory serves, when low-flying helicopters buzzed the house late at night on multiple nights. They were so low they rattled the windows.

As in your case, snoopy, we're near the airport where the Green Mountain Boys are based, and it's common to see their helicopters flying overhead -- but they're always much higher. I've still never been able to explain it, and for sure there was nothing communicated or written about it.

I agree we need to keep our eye on such things, but also don't think there's jack squat we can do about it ...

Submitted by OPOL on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 10:42am

Thanks for the post.

Chilling stuff.

Submitted by Timmethy2.0 on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 11:02am

If that crap comes down

We have to hope that the soldiers inolved are not indoctrinated.

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Submitted by ggersh on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 11:34am

Big brother is also normalizing the military

We already know about the sporting events with flyovers
and celebrating our war heroes i.e.(anyone that wears a uniform)

But now we give preference to vets in jobs, phone service
discounts, boarding of planes, etc.etc.etc. what next our
first born our daughters our sons.

Both the military and first responders are being lionized
throughout social media/msm. Say anything against them
and one must fear the consequences.

This country is rapidly becoming the 4th reich

EDIT: gotta say if I had bugout dosh the bugout
would be done.

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Submitted by Daenerys on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 2:57pm

That's terrifying.

I can't say whether they're doing those sorts of things over here; I live a good 100 miles from Fort Snelling. It's not that unusual to see military helicopters or Hummers out an about once in a while here either. I don't pay attention to the local news, other than what I hear on the radio or see on FB. (You should have seen my coworkers look at me like I had three heads when I said I don't watch the news anymore the other day.)
All I know is I'm staying put; hubby has another year and a half before he gets his BS, due to changing majors, so I just hope it doesn't come out here to the middle of nowhere.

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This shit is bananas.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 4:14pm

I agree

@Daenerys

And you know how people here think about the military as gulfgal found out when she read the comments. "I love the sound of freedom," when this type of event has nothing to do with freedom. Just the opposite.

Submitted by Alligator Ed on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 5:55pm

Another aspect to this scary story

In addition to concerns about militarized police and posse comitatus, we should think about FFs (false flags) which have occurred often soon after such an exercise or "drill". The time frames are flexible. The most immediate of these "drills" was the February 14, 2018 shooting, a fire drill preceding the violence almost concurrently at Parkland High school in Florida. Another, longer interval occurred between an armed guard training event at Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh January, 2018 and the shootings at the same Syngagoue, sans guards, 10 months later.

Theory: these cumulative but geographically isolated events of military drills et al are preparation for the Hellfire which will convulse this country if Trump's unseals those thousands of indictments in the near future--such as when the Dims don't even win the House. Since becomingly politically aware, I have become convinced that in this country certainly, there are NO political / social "coincidences".

Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 6:20pm

Seriously good point

@Alligator Ed

I didn't think about that, but you're right. The area where this was done was in a poorer residential area with no businesses around it. One 7-11 with the a gas station 6 blocks away and that's it for the area. The rite aid was closed in June after Walgreens bought them out and the city decided they wanted the building for something else. Dumb, dumb and asinine decision. This was where I got my drugs and now have to go to a very congested area to get them.

I did hear about the drills in Pittsburgh not long before the shooting, but I wasn't sure if that was true. So what's the motive for it? The Boston bombings were to see how people would react to martial law. They did a brilliant job from the PTB's point of view. Guess I'll find out in a few weeks. Don't know if I should drive by there anymore?

I'd like to see the last part come true, but without needing the military to keep order.

Submitted by Alligator Ed on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 8:58pm

Oregonians smokin' too much weed?

@snoopydawg What's this about crazed demonstrators not being policed by the police recently?

Submitted by Daenerys on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 9:27pm

Be safe Snoopy.

@snoopydawg I wish that for everyone here as well.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 11/05/2018 - 10:13pm

Thanks

@Daenerys

I just remembered that I drove right by there today and didn't even think about it or of looking at the building. But then I hadn't read Alligator's comment yet. I too wish for everyone to stay safe in these troubled times. There is tension everywhere and it's been growing more since Trump was elected.