How US went from supporting Syrian Kurds, to backing Turkey against them – in just 9 days

Hahahaha. This country is so weak! We’re going to take on RUSSIA! or China? We can’t do shit except fight drone wars. Long distance killings. Generally against innocent civilians.

And this is shameful. The US loved the Kurds when tjey were doing all the heavy lifting against ISIS. Now we betray them yet again. But then, that is what we do everytime we come in contact with the Kurdish people. We use them and then toss them in the trash.

I got this article from RT (dirty old Commie wtetch that I am). The title of this article just drips with sarcasm (IMO). The entire world is laughing. Well, probably not those we’re droning to death. But I’m sure they share the pleasure of our pain in Syria with those who are amused. And they’re probably taking bets on how big a cluster fuck this is going to become. The only country that doesn’t see the stupidity of the US messing with 2 nuclear powers is the US. Nobody else is fooled. Particularly our western ‘allies’ in our Syrian adventure, Britain and France who don’t seem to be so war happy now. Where did they run off to? Wait...did they do to us what we’re doing to the Kurds? No Obama, no alliance? Hmmmm. I have to think about this.

Anyway, on to the article:

How US went from supporting Syrian Kurds, to backing Turkey against them – in just 9 days

US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has been left flailing as Washington desperately struggles to avoid being shut out of Syria by its own allies – following a crisis it helped provoke just days ago.

For all the backpedaling and reframing the US officials are now doing, the chronology of the volte-face from Afrin to Ankara is startlingly straightforward.

January 13

US announces a 30,000-strong Kurdish YPG-led Border Security Force (BSF) to stave off a Islamic State “resurgence,” operating out of the quarter of Syrian territory that the Kurdish minority now controls.

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January 22

Tillerson to Turkey: “Let us see if we can work with you to create the kind of security zone you might need.” The kind of security zone that will operate on the same territory as the BSF? That force that was purportedly essential to the ‘Defeat Isis’ operations? Never mind all that.

https://www.rt.com/news/416689-how-us-went-against-kurds/

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Protecting the (Iraqi) Kurds from Saddam was the only seemingly worthwhile thing I did in the military. I generally like the Kurds, and think they should have a safe homeland.

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the Ottoman Empire. Another guy with illusions/delusions of grandeur.

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The Kurds succumbed to the spin, believing Washington was finally supporting their right to self-determination. In reality, the United States was using the Kurdish rebels to sap the resources of the Iraqi regime and coerce them into a settlement.

That settlement came at the 1975 OPEC summit, at which time the United States promised Iraq that support for the Kurds would be immediately withdrawn. As Iraq subsequently wiped out the Kurdish rebels, Kurdish leader Mustafa Barzani sent a message to Kissinger. It read in part:

“Our movement and people are being destroyed in an unbelievable way, with silence from everyone. We feel, your excellency, that the United States has a moral and political responsibility towards our people, who have committed themselves to your country’s policy.”

One can easily imagine Kissinger getting off on being called “your excellency,” while cringing at the concept of moral responsibility, but he did not directly reply to Barzani. Instead, he instructed a staff member: “Promise them anything, give them what they get, and fuck them if they can’t take a joke.”

When asked to explain America’s duplicity towards the Kurds, Kissinger delivered a one-liner that effectively sums up the perpetual purpose of phallocentric, necrophilic U.S. foreign policy: “Covert action should not be confused with missionary work.”

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But I thought he was a symbol of her competency as a foreign policy wonk. Surely you can't be implying that Henry FUCKING Kissinger was a bad person?

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@SnappleBC

A stain on humanity. That he's still alive is God having a laugh at us, not with us.

Fortunately, we have Not Henry Kissinger.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@SnappleBC @SnappleBC

days. It’s all in the eye of the beholder.

Take dead people for example. You and I would undoubtedly say ‘bad’ to dropping people out of airplanes. Henry would say that it’s just the ‘means’ to a specific ‘end’.

And in Henry’s case, that ‘end’ usually involved a liot more dead people. Bit that’s just ‘nit picking’ these days.

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@SnappleBC

Surely you can't be implying that Henry FUCKING Kissinger was a bad person?

I'm not implying that Henry FUCKING Kissinger is a bad person; I'm expressly stating as much!

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And this is shameful. The US loved the Kurds when tjey were doing all the heavy lifting against ISIS. Now we betray them yet again. But then, that is what we do everytime we come in contact with

..... any indigenous people.

We use them and then toss them in the trash.

If they're lucky enough to be used first. Most of the US' own indigenous peoples were just trashed.

Diablo

The Kurds deserve a sovereign homeland of their own.

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The reporter didn't fall on the floor and laugh his ass off, he went on to the next question.

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Q: Your national defense strategy you laid out this last week mentioned the great power competition with China and Russia. I'm wondering what role that might play in this trip (inaudible)?

SEC. MATTIS: Yes, you know, I think that what we're looking for is a world where we solve problems, and we don't shred trust. We don't militarize features in the middle of international waters. We don't invade other countries, in Russia's case -- Georgia, Ukraine. That we settle things by international rule of law, you know, this sort of thing. And so I think that in terms of great power and competition. One point I want to make is we respect these as sovereign nations with a sovereign voice and sovereign decisions, and we don't think anyone else should have a veto authority over their economic, their diplomatic or their security decisions. So one of the points I will be making just by being there is we respect these countries, and we respect their sovereignty, their sovereign decisions.

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That we settle things by international rule of law

Fuck the UN is what he just said.
The hypocrisy drools from the corner of a mad dogs muzzle.

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@Pricknick

Too bad that we don't have a functioning press in this country. Journalists just let them get away with saying anything...

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Especially when he said:

So one of the points I will be making just by being there is we respect these countries, and we respect their sovereignty, their sovereign decisions.

Dusgusting failure of a **human being** (for lack of a better word) should have been asked how blowing up women, children, old people, and/or wedding parties is.’respectful’.

And if he was raised by a pack of rabid hyenas. He’s one of those foul old bastids running amuk on the planet looking for a war he and his fellow warmongers might be able to win.

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@snoopydawg

precisely which International Law is it that allows US troops to occupy parts of Syria.

Because nobody else seems to know the answer.

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@Not Henry Kissinger

"We're not occupying that place. We're just making certain that it's turned over responsibly to the locals and that the locals have a seat at the table in Geneva."

Here are his thoughts on the Pacific.

"So we share the Pacific. It's an ocean named for peace, we would like to see it remain peaceful so all the nations that use it, that live here are -- are prosperous. "

Scratch one-s head

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@snoopydawg

"So we share the Pacific. It's an ocean named for peace, we would like to see it remain peaceful so all the nations that use it, that live here are -- are prosperous. "

The ocean which is the scene of -- thus far, anyway -- history's only nuclear war. Yeah, right.

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@snoopydawg we would like to see it remain peaceful so all the nations that use it, that live here are -- are prosperous pacified. "

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I wonder how long before we hear of "Kurdish Terrorists" in our lazy ass MSM with folks who learned but eschew real journalism, just so that they can earn the cash like Maddow and others like her. At the very least, US to the Kurds regarding their fighting ISIS for us: "Thank you for your service!" having been told I don't qualify for VA benefits of any kind due to apparently being discharged 10days shy of 2yrs, so I am sarcastic about "Thank you for your service" which from the government equals FU.

Kurds earned many favors from us that we will balk on and bilk them of such favors.

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So long, and thanks for all the fish

@Lenzabi so they're running the military like a business now? What are the effin officers and generals making?

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@Snode @Snode Well, as a Private at E-2 pay-grade I made near 700 or so a month I can look it up, and here we go, so, privates who get the glory of dying for the corporate masters is cheap, they get thousands of dollars like managers of their levels as the ranks and pay are listed in the chart below
https://www.militaryrates.com/military-pay-charts-o1_o5_2017

So, if I was an E-2 today, I would make $1,793.30 at 2yrs or less
Captains $4,046.60 per month at 2yrs or less
2 stars Generals $10,389.95 per month at less than 2yrs

So, now you can see why I scoff at "Thank you for your service" most times. And the VA is also run like a business seeking profits and avoiding helping which would cost money.

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So long, and thanks for all the fish

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@Lenzabi

doesn’t pay well. But just think of all the perks!

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@Amanda Matthews I never knew we had perks! Yes, some tough medicine, and free meals and clothes and a roof over my head, but after that, combat life expectancy of seconds.

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