A GOS story: I'm Outraged! Can't you see I'm outraged?

One of the things that really annoys me about TOP, and most blogs and social media in general, is the phony moral outrage.
Even way back when, before blogs and Facebook, back on usenet, I noticed the tendency toward phony moral outrage being used as a weapon.
Shaming someone into silence/obedience is always the objective.
Calling someone out for phony moral outrage will always prompt that person toward ever greater levels of phonier moral outrage. So it's possible to goad someone into such ridiculous displays of moral outrage that they discredit themselves to their own supporters.
The question is: what were these people hoping to accomplish? This article helps explain that.

There are big mysteries here. Why are some people more prone than others to express moral outrage? Why are people set off by different triggers? Why is one animal killing or tax shelter a travesty and another business as usual?

Psychologists say it all starts to make sense if you think of outrage as a form of display. Expressing it advertises a person’s views and allegiances to potential allies. And the more popular a victim's cause, the less risky it is to join in displaying your umbrage.

In an attempt to test this display hypothesis, a group of psychologists from Yale created an outrage-provoking situation in the lab. One of two players was randomly handed some money and allowed to share it with the other player, or not.

The interesting part was the behavior of a third party, who acted as a bystander. The bystander, if outraged enough by the tightwad behavior of one of the players, could inflict “punishment” in the form of a fine. The bystander would gain no part of this fine and in fact would have to pay to inflict it -- and yet about 30 percent of the bystanders found it worth the cost.

The punishers ended up profiting in the end, thanks to a subsequent game geared to measure trust. There, other players placed more trust in those who had inflicted fines on the tightwads. The psychologists published their findings last month in the journal Nature.

They also popularized the display idea in a New York Times opinion piece, using it to explain an infamous incident involving a woman who provoked massive online attacks by tweeting a bad joke about race and AIDS. “Whether or not they were conscious of it, these attackers were most likely advertising to their Twitter audiences that they were not racist.” Not too surprisingly, this display itself offended various people for various reasons -- some who defended the original tweeter, others who wanted to demonstrate that they were sooooooo anti-racist that they found the detractors' displays of anti-racism quite inadequate. And so we get the first round of meta-outrage.

"Meta-outrage" is a good term.
In my mind it comes from the same place that our early ancestors used to establish social standings (i.e early politics).
Which is why the people who use it a lot are some of the most phony people on social media.

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gulfgal98's picture

a conversation does nothing to further the conversation. Passing judgment is one of the quickest ways to shut down the conversation. Being able to defuse anger in a constructive way is a much better way to further the dialogue. Much of this I have learned through participating in a Peace vigil. Opening up the lanes to conversation allows us to find common ground with one another. Outrage over form and tone is the way to instantly shut it down.

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thanatokephaloides's picture

Outrage over form and tone is the way to instantly shut it down.

Pardon the reference, but this is how Hillary Clinton and her camPAIN organization will insure that our next President will be a Republican. (Cat have mercy on us and grant that mission fail!)

Dash 1

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maggid's picture

Outrage is the fuel that propels eyeballs to all media, especially politically oriented media. We all can see clearly that RW media is one giant outrage machine, feeding off of and stirring up their audience's outrage. Left media works on the same fuel, but it's harder for us to see because the outrage being ginned up is righteous outrage for good causes.

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I guess I'd illustrate "outrage" with calls of "misogynist" when discussing HRC. Shuts down inquiry.

Though, as you say, the issue of real misogyny is a source of righteous outrage.

Particularly in the context of DK, the noise is loud, the signal is weak, and it often defaults to "if you have a criticism of HRC, you must be a misogynist".

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Does a misogynist hate women? Is that what it means? Surely there must be more to it, more subtle meanings that I'm not grasping.
I'm told the world is full of misogynists. I don't see that as true.
I see bewilderment and frustration with woman quite often. But I know of no one who hates women.
I DO know people who hate men however.
Gotta tell ya, the whole thing is confusing to me.

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In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

Older and Wiser Now's picture

but IMHO the term is also used when belittling words and/or actions are used to convey that a woman is lesser than, simply by virtue of being a woman.

For example, a guy who says things like "look honey, this is how it is" but would never say "look honey" to a man.

A guy who puts up playboy pictures in his work area, or who makes certain "knowing" comments because he finds it fun to embarrass or humiliate.

Someone who believes "boys will be boys, watcha gonna do?" and essentially dismisses behavior that should have consequences associated with it.

Does that make sense? It is hard to describe but I think the keywords belittle, embarrass, humiliate are good ones to know. When a man directs such comments to a woman, but never to a man, that is also a key sign.

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~OaWN

I don't believe for one second that men have a monopoly on belittling, embarrassing or humiliating the opposite sex.
In any case I fear I'll have to beg your pardon, for I was raised by a feminist and have had the fortune to be loved by feminists. I was taught to think clearly and critically.
Thank you for replying. I keep thinking I must be missing something.

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In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

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The person who is being belittled basically has to put up with it because they have less power than the abuser.

And in the world we live in, males tend to have more power over females then vice versa. Also there is historical precedent of males having more power over females, which the abusers can tap into in order to explain/defend their behavior. Part of misogyny is the enjoyment factor that these people get from "feeling" their power over others.

I'm a bit confused about your questions and where you are going with them. IMHO, misogyny has been on the decline, it is much less of problem than it was once upon a time. One still comes across cave men who wish they were living in the dark ages, but not so much anymore. I don't think you need to beg my pardon? Sounds like you were very wise when you chose your parents Smile

IMHO, the HRC folks have been doing their best to play the gender card to win support for HRC. They are quick to cry sexist and mysognist when those words are not appropriate, even for simple acts of disagreement. So maybe that is what you are referencing? Many of us don't see the rampant mysoginy that HRC supporters apparently do.

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~OaWN

Smile

My original post in the mini-thread was intended to buttress the argument about frivolous use of the word on TOP and to suggest it's over use in society in general.
And because I like words, what they mean, how they became, how we use them, if they rhyme etc etc.
And to offer for discussion how there are more who hate men then who hate women.
Misogyny interests me also because it's definition has been growing. Much as 'Sexist Pig' was in my younger days, this word appears to apply to every male of the species, by birth, and to any and every action, thought, spoken or written word and even what shirt they wear. That annoys me.
Did you know that the word misogyny has it's roots long ago as a name for gay men?
It amuses me that most men are unaware of this and how there must be way more gay guys than people realize.

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

Misogynists hate the idea that women should be able to participate fully in society as human beings without regard to gender except as biologically inevitable. Then, they expect women should be penalized by society for needing time and resources for reproduction of the species. It is not perceived by the misogynist as hating women. Rather, the misogynist, regardless of gender, believes women are either lesser creatures, or are entirely different in their needs, wants and predilections--basically they are something other than human and should except the restrictions or "privileges" that society sees as fitting for them; which is generally as baby-making machines and servants.

Sexism is attitudes and behavior that suggest roles for either men or women should be based on gender rather than individual characteristics of the unique human being. Everyone has at least remnants of this, as we do of racism, lookism, and other denigrating generalities.

Lots of folks don't see these things where they exist and many folks see them everywhere. There may be room for discussion about when one of these things is present, but as an old radical feminist, I can tell you that it's been blatant against Hillary, though often criticism of her is labeled misogynist when that isn't the source of the criticism. I hope I've made this somewhat clearer to you.

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Older and Wiser Now's picture

Misogynists essentially treat women as second class citizens. Woman are "less creatures", as you put it. Their words and their actions express this view, often not explicitly but in indirect ways that still communicates their feelings quite strongly. Some are willing to be quite explicit and direct too, but I think that it easier for everyone to identify and comprehend as being out of line.

Re Hillary, I have seen "criticism of her is labeled misogynist when that isn't the source of the criticism," as you say.

I really haven't seen much in the way of truly sexist treatment of her, IMHO. So I'm curious as to what you have seen that I apparently have not. Thank you for your post, I think you clarified the word quite well.

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~OaWN

tapu dali's picture

And there's poutrage.

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And left a comment in aid of a woman who was being pummeled to try to get her to pledge she would vote for Hillary.

I simply said that the was nothing wrong with thoughtful, informed decision making there is plenty of time to make a choice.

I got scathing comments berating me for using right wing talking points. Really not sure when RW talking points involved thoughtful educated voting.

Facinating. Lemmings headed for the cliff I think.

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if it was here, pummeled maybe. Trying to make her change her vote, no way.

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pswaterspirit's picture

people don't pummel and threaten here.

Thats why I rarely visit there. But occasionally I need to add to my flag collection though now that I can't see them it's not nearly as fun.

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lotlizard's picture

and gently but firmly be reminded . . . by Mr. Whipple . . . not to squeeze the Charmin, as it were.

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Borkrom's picture

Please see my essay, we need to use this energy and focus it to get the results we want!

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stevej's picture

thing is largely a US phenomenon - I was only vaguely aware of it being used as a tactic before I came here 15 years ago.

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riverlover's picture

Shaming and shunning; Ill bet that Americans (the lower segment of North America) think that those are techniques of isolation used worldwide that many sense is a good technique for "othering". And that our forebears used and we have just remembered.

Here (in the USA) I think that the practice is most effective in adolescent gatherings, like Middle School and High School. It's so effective that there are nearly daily suicides of sensitive targets. Most if not all of us felt it then, and that pain gets internalized. Probably a majority subconsciously think 'Never again'. But there are those who learned that it worked, for power, and continue using it to mark those who are different or to them undesireable. Bullies and Mean Girls.

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stevej's picture

more than the UK - just wasn't a thing. Also the related issue of playing the victim - that was a complete non-starter. Think it is because of our more skeptical/cynical nature. We sort of know when we are being played and are quite happy to ridicule those who use such tactics. Big generalization i know but thinking about a couple of the worst offenders at TOP - they would never gain traction on a UK blog.

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Older and Wiser Now's picture

It's interesting to see how social media is amplifying certain human tendencies that were already there, perhaps, but now are adapting to a new environment.

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Sandino's picture

It seems to me that falsely claiming some critique is racist or misogynist is basically exploiting the victims of real racism, and placing them like human shields, in the line of fire. Of course it also trivializes real racism, undermining the struggle they claim to support.

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Oldest Son Of A Sailor's picture

Whenever I see or hear it I stop processing any thoughts about what they person is saying...

At the GOS I sometimes reply with TL;DR...
To which usually yields an angry one or 2 sentence reply...
To which I reply, You're getting closer...

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riverlover's picture

of shutting off discussion. Myself, I walk away, figuratively. Always been too timid. One of those who comes up with a smart retort later that day. Wink

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detroitmechworks's picture

when used in a manner that is insulting to the people on whose "Behalf" the outrage is manufactured.

When people are treated as "Victims" without agency at all, and the suggestion that even the hint of criticism is an unforgivable sin, it's just pathetic.

Injustice Collectors is the term I like, since every other term was created by the Right Wing and I don't want to give their intellectual territory marking the time of day.

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Haikukitty's picture

Its hard for me to know when my outrage might be a display. I've been genuinely "outraged" by a few things, but usually only when the victim is defenseless. I was one of those people outraged by the Cecil killing. I still am. I'd be just as outraged by any other endangered animal killing, if I happened to hear about it.

I didn't necessarily run to social media to rant about it, but I did respond when it came up. It didn't feel fake to me, but is it? Is it a signal? I don't know. I'd say it to people I know are unsympathetic too. I had an argument with a hunter about it. He certainly wasn't impressed with my viewpoint.

Whenever I hear about animal abuse, I find it hard to come up with any extenuating circumstances on the part of the perpetrator.

But with that woman who tweeted. That seemed to blow up unnecessarily. It was a crude tweet, but we've all said things we shouldn't or wish we hadn't. It seemed a bit much for the entire internet to get upset about it.

You instinctively recognize phony outrage when you see it - but how? How can you tell if its phony or real or justified? We all have hot-button issues that drive us crazy.

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Oldest Son Of A Sailor's picture

Is the shear numbers expressing the same Faux Rage Over A Bull Shit Topic...

it is an indicator that it came straight off someones Talking Points Memo...

"I'm So Outraged That Bernie Won't Drop Out After Losing NY"

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