The Dose 11-01-2021

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No shite sherlock.

A reporter asked Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the same question about mixing vaccines. “We will not articulate a preference,” Walensky said, seeming to contradict what Fauci had just said on CNN.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cdc-messaging-coronavirus-masks-vaccines-boos...

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Too bad this hasn't been our approach from the start!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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mRNA injections at super cool temperatures? IN the beginning of the releases so much was written and talked about the cooling required and how difficult it is to maintain.

The cool temp requirements were listed as some of the reasons it is/was so difficult to disburse mRNA to warm Southern Hemisphere countries with less developed infra sttucture.

Lately we hear nothing about this. What am I missing?

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Two people in the family died from Covid. One 80 years old who refused vaccination because Trump was denied his Presidency. The second one early 60's who refused to be vaccinated because of the Bill Gates chip in the formula.

And the beat goes on.

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@Fishtroller 02

This woman was pressured into getting vaccinated and has had adverse effects since.

Her symptoms sound like guillian barre syndrome and blood clots in the brain. And she has been denied a medical exemption. Another vaccine might just kill her, but apparently that’s the risk she must take.

Will you listen to what Jimmy is saying about the vaccines to see why they shouldn’t be mandatory? He’s quoting from experts.

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[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYkbIf27Gqs]

And if you really want to nerd out this discussion of UK all cause mortality will do the job.

Here's less than a minute to see if it interests you...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jbXxXGr-5o]

Be well!

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@Lookout

Too many people are misinformed about the vaccines and how they work. Imagine if thousands went on to get polio after getting vaccinated. People would be outraged. But they just say that it would have been worse if they weren’t vaccinated. I bet Powell would disagree with that…oh wait.

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Some did get polio even when vaccinated:

https://sph.umich.edu/polio/

In placebo control areas, where vaccine was interchanged with an inert substance, 428 out of 749,236 children contracted the disease.

In the observed control areas where only second graders were inoculated, 585 cases out of 1,080,680 children developed.

Percentages in the placebo areas were: 67.5 paralytic, 17.6 non-paralytic, 7.2 doubtful, and 7.6 not polio. Specifically, 33 inoculated children receaving the complete vaccination series became paralyzed in the placebo areas. This is opposed to 115 uninoculated children. Similarly, in the observed areas there were 38 such children who became paralyzed, as opposed to 330 uninoculated children.

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@innatimm

I wasn’t clear. I meant because these vaccines are not sterilizing ones like the polio one is and how many people are ending up in hospitals because they aren’t. I understand that no vaccines are 100%. Sam was fully vaccinated but got parvovirus anyway. Lots of dawgs are contacting it around here and were also hospitalized.

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@innatimm
be compared to the current polio vaccines. If breakthrough cases were as high with the polio shot it would have been discontinued decades ago. CDC changed the definition in 2021 - "Vaccination: the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity protection to a specific disease.”

Polio Vaccine Effectiveness and Duration of Protection

Vaccine Effectiveness

Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.

Duration of Protection

It is not known how long people who received IPV will be immune to poliovirus, but they are most likely protected for many years after a complete series of IPV.

COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room
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ARR is also used to derive an estimate of vaccine effectiveness, which is the number needed to vaccinate (NNV) to prevent one more case of COVID-19 as 1/ARR. NNVs bring a different perspective: 81 for the Moderna–NIH, 78 for the AstraZeneca–Oxford, 108 for the Gamaleya, 84 for the J&J, and 119 for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccines. The explanation lies in the combination of vaccine efficacy and different background risks of COVID-19 across studies: 0·9% for the Pfizer–BioNTech, 1% for the Gamaleya, 1·4% for the Moderna–NIH, 1·8% for the J&J, and 1·9% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford vaccines.

ARR (and NNV) are sensitive to background risk—the higher the risk, the higher the effectiveness—as exemplified by the analyses of the J&J's vaccine on centrally confirmed cases compared with all cases:8 both the numerator and denominator change, RRR does not change (66–67%), but the one-third increase in attack rates in the unvaccinated group (from 1·8% to 2·4%) translates in a one-fourth decrease in NNV (from 84 to 64).

There are many lessons to learn from the way studies are conducted and results are presented. With the use of only RRRs, and omitting ARRs, reporting bias is introduced, which affects the interpretation of vaccine efficacy.10 When communicating about vaccine efficacy, especially for public health decisions such as choosing the type of vaccines to purchase and deploy, having a full picture of what the data actually show is important, and ensuring comparisons are based on the combined evidence that puts vaccine trial results in context and not just looking at one summary measure, is also important. Such decisions should be properly informed by detailed understanding of study results, requiring access to full datasets and independent scrutiny and analyses.
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Uncoordinated phase 3 trials do not satisfy public health requirements; platform trials designed to address public health relevant questions with a common protocol will allow decisions to be made, informed by common criteria and uniform assessment. These considerations on efficacy and effectiveness are based on studies measuring prevention of mild to moderate COVID-19 infection; they were not designed to conclude on prevention of hospitalisation, severe disease, or death, or on prevention of infection and transmission potential. Assessing the suitability of vaccines must consider all indicators, and involve safety, deployability, availability, and costs.

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Moderna agrees to sell up to 110 million Covid vaccine doses to African countries.

Facing pressure for keeping its Covid vaccine out of reach of poorer countries, Moderna said on Tuesday that it had agreed to sell up to 110 million shots to African Union member nations.

The company said it would deliver 15 million of the shots by the end of this year and 35 million more by the end of March, offering a modest supply boost for a continent with severe vaccine shortages and some of the world’s lowest vaccination rates.
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Fewer than 6 percent of Africans are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus, and fewer than a third of African nations had fully vaccinated 10 percent of their populations by the start of this month.

“It’s a drop in the ocean for what the needs are,” Fatima Hassan, the head of the Health Justice Initiative in South Africa, said of Moderna’s announcement. “It’s up to 110 million for a population and a continent of 1.3 billion,” she said.
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Watch the following image of Africa get a lot more colourful in the future:

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