"Democrats step up calls that Russian hack was act of war"
Yes, that is the header for the article I'm going to post. Members of the 'Left' are writing a check their asses can't cash. These whacks aren't playing chicken with a third world country or one that had been suffering under more than a decade of crippling sanctions. The Russians actually can fight back. And for what? For something that THEY CANNOT PROVIDE THE PROOF FOR NO MATTER HOW MANY COMMITTEES, PANELS, AND GROUPS GET BRIEFED.
Where is the reason for war here? Where did the Russian government attack the US Government? I don't appreciate it when self-serving assholes like the Democratic Party start beating the war drums just because "It's Her Turn" wasn't anointed per the best laid plans of TPTB on the 'Left'. This Russian shit all started to cover up for cheating all right. The cheating of the Clinton crew and the DNC. Funny how that's never discussed.
I think this 'act of war' bullshit needs to be stopped right now. This is partisan politics at its most obscene.
Democrats step up calls that Russian hack was act of war
Rep. Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-N.J.) most recently accused Russia of engaging in warfare.
“I think this attack that we’ve experienced is a form of war, a form of war on our fundamental democratic principles,” Coleman said during a hearing this week at the House Homeland Security Committee.Two other Democrats made similar charges at the House Intelligence Committee hearing where Comey testified.
“I actually think that their engagement was an act of war, an act of hybrid warfare, and I think that’s why the American people should be concerned about it,” said Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.).
“This past election, our country was attacked. We were attacked by Russia,” said Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.). “I see this as an opportunity for everyone on this committee, Republicans and Democrats, to not look in the rearview window but to look forward and do everything we can to make sure that our country never again allows a foreign adversary to attack us.”
Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.), the Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s ranking member, has similarly described the election meddling as an “attack” and likened it to the United States’ “political Pearl Harbor.”
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/325606-democrats-step-up-calls-t...
The weasels of the Democratic Party are putting this whole country at the risk of a new Cold War just to promote the Clinton wing of the Party and to delegitimize the Trump Administration. We are nothing but pawns as usual. Them and theirs will never serve as cannon fodder. Them and their don't pay for wars, they make bank off wars.
This country apparently can't get enough war. It's not like we're not killing people all over the Middle East already, now the Trump bunch want to start wars with North Korea and Iran. And them there Dems are going straight for the jugular. They want to declare war against Russia.
NO ONE WON IN THIS LAST ELECTION.
EDIT: finally noticed 'jugular' was spelled 'juglar'.
Comments
Not to worry.
IMHO this play is going nowhere.
Just look at the comparisons in budget, spending, resources domestic and military between US and them. It is patently ridiculous to think that Russia would even consider some global initiative ala the USSR. Are they screwing around on their borders? Of course they all are. It's friggin Europe. They've all been doing this shit for centuries. And the west freezes the foreign bank accounts of 20 oligarchs. Oh noes.
You must understand that the only reindeer playing Cyber games is the Russians.
Just ask Sony. Oh wait, that was N Korea...
The OPM breach.
Oh wait, that was China...
Stuxnet anyone?
The USA? No, it can't be...hmm
See the many excellent posts from Pluto, wherein the tale of bogey man propaganda over decades is plainly and truthfully laid out for all to see.
Yes it was the Ruskies that kept HRS from going to WI, MI, PA... Bastards. Yes it was the Russians that hacked 100,000s of voting machines across the country. Oh wait. BO Stated that was impossible. Well, then Nancy and Chuck met with Russian ambassadors and gov functionaries, but of course that was different. I can't find it now but there was a detailed article of all the events sponsored at the Dem Convention where "furiners" were invited to hobnob with Dem movers, shakers, large donors, but that's different.
They and the MSM are gonna ride this horse into the ground and then complain they lost their ride.
Better dead than red? So 1960's don't y'a think?
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
I'm glad you're so confident these jackasses aren't going to
back themselves into a corner they can't get out of.
I'm not.
And I remember the 'better red than dead' days too.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
@EdMass
But as you just pointed out, they are logic- and reality-defying liars to begin with - as are the various PTB controlling them, the various agencies and branches of government. What's to stop any/all of these from blowing up the world they anyway are killing off in the pursuit of a share of the profits, if not us?
Why should all of these various targeted other people's countries wait to be picked off without warning, losing their chance of at least striking back as they - and the rest of life on Earth - are so cruelly murdered by nuclear attack, radiation, drought and global dimming?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
If it wasn't so damned dangerous
I'd laugh.
Fooled ya. I'm laughing at those who still believe the democraptic party is worth listening to.
They lost me at "We have to look forward". To what? More of the same?
I'm never going back.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
WE don't have to listen to them. But WE better worry about all
the dimwits and the easily led that do.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I am afraid of those dimwits, too.
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Democrats have won propaganda war that Bush Jr. won previously
The democrats like Bush before the Iraq invasion prep'ed the American people to accept war with Iraq. Democrats have expanded but replicated the same propaganda process but this time to prep the American people to accept a possible war with Russia. Two/three days into the invasion of Iraq, something like 70% of Americans supported the invasion.
March 24, 2003
Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq
http://www.gallup.com/poll/8038/seventytwo-percent-americans-support-war...
There is no turning back the American people back from viewing Russia as nothing but an aggressive hostile nation to the US. Democrats talk about the Russians in the same ways the Trump talks about Muslims and Mexicans.
I think Trump can resist the calls for war with Russia, but it may be out of his hands. When Georgia attacked the Russians, Saakashvili was hoping to draw the United States into the war and into direct conflict with Russia. Bush refused.
EU blames Georgia for starting war
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/6247620/EU-blam...
What if some anti-Russian fanatic in the Baltics or Poland gets his hands on some NATO weapons and shoots them into Russia territory? Then war.
Nah
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
Yes, manufacturing consent
This Russia angle is so sickening, so monstrous and dangerous it truly disgusts me.
As was mentioned, it is one thing if you want to attack some third world country, but now you're going after a nuclear superpower. Haven't we lived in fear enough of being incinerated in nuclear fire? All this does, besides helping keep the MIC fat and happy (must buy more or the Russians will take over!) is that it allows the Dems to completely control the narrative away from their greed and corruption.
They can wave away all allegations of corruption and wrongdoing by saying it is just fake news from the Russians. All you people in the left were conned by the Russians they say.
I reject that.
Russians didn't convince me that Clinton voted for Iraq and helped destroy Libya and going even further in Syria...she did that all by herself.
Russians didn't convince me of Clinton being against single payer...she said it herself.
Russians didn't convince me of Clinton being nothing more than an employee of corporations... she did that herself.
Russians didn't convince me of Clinton destroying the environment with promoting fracking all over the world... she did that all by herself.
It just amazes me how people, so trapped by the billions of dollars spent brainwashing them in years of propaganda to make Clinton seem like such a winner, points the fingers at everyone else and says that THEY are the ones brainwashed.
I understand the 'Democratic' Party perfectly. Self-serving
opportunists is how I would describe them. They'll stoop to anything and then try to tell you they 'stand tall' on their record. I guess they mean like this record:
Democratic Senators who voted for War in Iraq-
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)*
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Democratic congressmen who voted for war in Iraq-
Ackerman
Aderholt
Akin
Andrews
Armey
Bachus
Baker
Ballenger
Barcia
Barr
Bartlett
Barton
Bass
Bentsen
Bereuter
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop
Blagojevich
Blunt
Boehlert
Bonilla
Boozman
Borski
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Brady (TX)
Brown (SC)
Bryant
Burr
Burton
Buyer
Callahan
Calvert
Camp
Cannon
Capito
Carson (OK)
Castle
Chabot
Clement
Coble
Collins
Combest
Cooksey
Cox
Cramer
Crane
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cubin
Culberson
Cunningham
Davis (FL)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal
Deutsch
Dicks
Dooley
Doolittle
Dreier
Dunn
Edwards
Engel
Etheridge
Ford
Frost
Gephardt
Goode
Goodlatte
Gordon
Green (TX)
Hall (TX)
Harman
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Herger
Hill
Hoeffel
Hoyer
Hulshof
Hunter
Hyde
Isakson
Israel
Jefferson
John
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Kanjorski
Kennedy (RI)
Kerns
Kind (WI)
Lampson
Lantos
Lowey
Lucas (KY)
Luther
Lynch
Maloney (NY)
Markey
Matheson
McCarthy (NY)
McIntyre
McNulty
Meehan
Murtha
Oxley
Pascrell
Peterson (MN)
Pomeroy
Roemer
Ross
Rothman
Sandlin
Schiff
Schrock
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherman
Shows
Skelton
Smith (WA)
Spratt
Stenholm
Tanner
Tauscher
Tauzin
Taylor (MS)
Thurman
Turner
Waxman
Weiner
Wexler
Wynn
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
@Strife Delivery
I trust that first bit was snark? Sorta like, it's OK to attack the guy in the wheelchair or the little old lady, because they shouldn't be able to defend themselves, but don't go after the big, burly guy closer to your own size, or he and his big burly brothers will trash the house and get us all? Personally, I find pathological bullies attacking impoverished people in a small, poor country even more disgusting.
Certainly, killing life on the planet is a larger issue, but they're doing that anyway. If they aren't stopped now, they won't until we're all dead and gone... this occurrence likely anywhere from less than a decade from now to possibly several miserable decades in what remains of the future.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Ellen North No, no. I am
The issue isn't that it is OK to attack the small guys, avoid the big guys. We shouldn't adhere to our religion of imperialism. My point though is that we so easily believe the garbage of a 6 week, 2 month, 4 month war in these small nations like Iraq and Vietnam, and they turn into disastrous bloodbaths. Now, imagine that on a much large scale, several magnitudes higher. The last time we truly faced a superpower was WW2. Everything after that was proxy wars and attacking small nations. The warmongers believe that they can win and easily so, and yet they struggled terribly against these third world nations. Now try that with a nuclear superpower. It would spread throughout Europe. Poland, Germany, Russia itself...
To me it is all insane and morally depraved, but going after a nuclear superpower with the very real threat of ending almost all life on this planet I think is even more insane and morally depraved.
@Strife Delivery
I figured that was the case, lol, but I have dealt with some commenters in the past who really don't have a problem with that sort of thing. One I'll always remember stated that his mother had said that 'when we want Canada's water, we'll march in there and take it' but that 'she wasn't evil', that was just a common attitude... so I do tend to state my viewpoints in such cases not just because of the poster but for anyone reading, as they may have absorbed such propaganda-inculcated attitudes without thinking about them and what they entail and enable.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Mhmm
On a more positive note, all those bear traps and maple syrup. That could be a deadly combination to keep the American hordes at bay.
@Strife Delivery
Lol, good point! You catch more predators with sweets smeared on bear traps than with even the healthiest cider vinegar...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
At least there is an adult
in the room.
Here's a small trip down memory lane so we don't forget why Her got Trumped:
Always interesting to hear President Putin speak
The second video will not play, I get a "private video" message.
I'm always impressed with his objective and analytical responses. He gives you a real answer, explains some details of history, and then tells you why he thinks that way. We are very lucky that Russia is run by a level headed, intelligent, knowledgeable, moderate leader. You have just heard his perspective about the never ending cyclical bashing of Russia by politicians from both parties in the US. He is exactly right. I am not at all surprised that he has an 85 to 90% approval rating in Russia.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
It's been marked private since I posted
Looks like someone wants to hide it now.
Basicly, it was a compilation of parts of the following:
There's only one answer.
The only response to being attacked in a vicious act of war is to launch an immediate full-scale nuclear attack against Russia. Right, Democratic Warmongers in Congress?
@edg
Exactly! And also nuke the lengthy list of other target countries refusing to sacrifice their natural resources and people at the same time - make Chauffeur Super-Jesus or Miracle Super-Tech show up just as the world explodes to save only them, regardless of any potential scheduling conflicts there might be. 'Cause god/Tech must love them, or they wouldn't be so rich and powerful as to be able to drain and destroy a world out of pathological greed and atrocious ignorance.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Montenegro
During my defensenews drive-by this morning I also saw this: U.S. Senate to vote on Montenegro NATO membership next week, which kind of made me go lol wtf, expanding NATO? I am not paying close attention to expansion, hard on psyche. My bold in this comment by Army Gen. Curtis "Cray-Cray" Scaparrotti, the chief of U.S. European Command:
Oh yeah I remember that, but did not know about the "lethal assistance to Ukraine" approval in the last two appropriations. Great Kabuki.
Whatever...
@eyo
The '... "lethal assistance to Ukraine" approval ... of which you speak must be part of the Mutual Assured Destruction thing they're pushing for. Yay, Armageddon? Sigh...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
The unwashed masses of us, ignored save as revenue sources
Want to see the design of their escape pods. Trash-talking eventually leads to fisticuffs? And we are referring to atomic fists.
I am sure I am not a target for surrender.
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I am shocked-SHOCKED I tell you
...that Russia may have been spying. It's absolutely ridiculous that the Dems are getting their drawers in a bunch over the notion that a foreign government was spying and possibly trying to influence our election. The Israelis have been doing it since the day we helped invent them.
In my opinion, the spying is a big nothing burger. The fact that the real information wikileaks provided proved that HRC and her puppets colluded to influence the election. We get no investigation there do we ? In fact, I am not even sure that's illegal. I mean we get a grand total of two parties, based on the tilted system. Then, we expect them to follow the bylaws of their little club with no punishment if they don't.
1-2-3-what are we fighting for
what're
We're fighting for the rich man's bank balance and ego. And
it's really not a 'partisan' matter anymore. Both sides are outwardly and arrogantly corrupt.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Great song
One of my favorites from the era.
The question, thought keeps coming up. Why do we make war? I don't buy any of the standard answers. This could be a continuum from the European days of imperialism, where every Western European nation wanted foreign nations to control. Now it seems to be concentrated in one nation, us. We are compulsive war makers and do it at our own detriment. Perhaps it's Capitalism, or perhaps the nature of our peculiar democracy. Or maybe it's culture, a thread from German to Anglo-Saxon to American. I don't know and worse I don't see a mechanism to stop it, save global thermonuclear war.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
@The Wizard
Video's just over 2 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years
Later, though, the mention made of Africa not being militarily invaded, (because of not having plunder,) made me rather sad.
Do please, if you can, read this following in full at source, even if it is older, because it is a very informative article and I think makes the actual effects very, very clear.
http://www.alternet.org/world/us-military-buildup-africa-lightning-fast-...
They always spell 'corporate/billionaire' as 'national' when followed by 'interests' to be militarily
enforcedprotected, don't they? How many other 'secret wars' are being inflicted on how many other countries? And how many of these new terrorist groups may have been funded/armed/trained - as well as motivated - by involved interests? Who's making the big bucks off this? (Other than the MIC, including corporate suppliers, of course.)http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html
My searches, especially in certain areas, turn up very little of use, though. Almost everything following what I'd garnered and posted above (Africa having been separately looked up) shows a multitude of reasons as to why often unnamed sites are unavailable; account suspended, a great variety of errors, not available, page could not be found, etc..
And the variety of unrelated stuff showing up continues, search terms used: America's attacks on Mid-East countries long planned
Results? One not-the-best but at least pertinent item, posted above; one related item, posted above; stuff on ISIS/Al-Qaida attacking and such as this, below. Say 'bye-bye' to the internet as a useful information tool... at least on my computer. Maybe yours will work better.
Thanks, Obama, nothing like 'public-private' Domain Name control...
(Edited for a case of missed punctuation and a missed word.)
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Short answer
War is a racket. Wars make lots of profits for those that invest in it.