COVID-19 Deep Dive - Swiss Propaganda Research
Props to Wendy Davis for steering me to this site!
Extensive coverage of the coronavirus situation from Switzerland - LOTS of links to research, interviews and articles by doctors, researchers. lawyers - surprising numbers of whom say that we are getting a whole lot wrong in assessing the threat of the disease and in the containment measures and treatment of it.
Some of the main takeaways: that the disease is only a modest threat to healthy people and that nearly all deaths are occurring in people who have co-morbidities and/or advanced age - median age of deaths in N. Italy was 83, for example. Another would be that local environmental factors such as severe air pollution may significantly affect death rates.
There seem to be a significant number of knowledgeable professionals who think the threat has been overstated and that the severe lockdowns are inappropriate and causing more harm than good, overall.
I'm going to quote only this one bit since there are inline links in pretty much every paragraph of the original and they won't work from block quotes here (I think). This is representative of the content, though:
Professor Klaus Püschel, head of forensic medicine in Hamburg, explains about Covid19: „This virus influences our lives in a completely excessive way. This is disproportionate to the danger posed by the virus. And the astronomical economic damage now being caused is not commensurate with the danger posed by the virus. I am convinced that the Corona mortality rate will not even show up as a peak in annual mortality.“ In Hamburg, for example, „not a single person who was not previously ill“ had died of the virus: „All those we have examined so far had cancer, a chronic lung disease, were heavy smokers or severely obese, suffered from diabetes or had a cardiovascular disease. The virus was the last straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak. „Covid-19 is a fatal disease only in exceptional cases, but in most cases it is a predominantly harmless viral infection.“
MUCH more here
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I've been thinking along those lines as well
...and wondering about the possibility this is a plandemic in order to secure and maintain corporate/oligarchy dominance...neo-feudalism.
https://www.corbettreport.com/was-there-foreknowledge-of-the-plandemic-q...
Here's a 8 min clip explaining his thoughts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igAsJXTbllU
or a transcript if you prefer reading
https://www.corbettreport.com/what-no-one-is-saying-about-the-corona-cri...
Thanks for the link (and Wendy too). I look forward to exploring it.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I don't think the PTB need to engineer
a pandemic "in order to secure and maintain corporate/oligarchy dominance...neo-feudalism". Look around. We already have a democracy in name only. Our 'leaders' openly deceive us and this is accepted, at worst, as par for the course by the majority.
The PTB with their controlled, compliant media, can, for the most part, shape our desires and beliefs to their needs. How easy was it to get 60 to 80 percent of the people willing to go to war against Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran and a dozen other countries? How many trillions of dollars went into the pockets of the oligarchs who control America? Every single war or stock market "boom/bust" has enriched these fuckers. War is what made America "great". Just need to open a history book and read.
If this was a "plandemic", it's main purpose would be to "cull the herd". From current studies it mostly kills the aged, diseased and infirm. These people have become an increasingly larger percentage of the general population in the Western countries - America and Europe - mainly due to lifestyle (smoking, illicit drugs, food choices, sedentary). Their burden on health care is disproportionate to their numbers.
As far as the burgeoning Security State surveillance program, we are already so far down that road there is no way back, despite what Corbett and Snowden say. The Millennial's accept it as a fact of life and they embrace it. It's only us old geezers that know better. We know you can't lose what you never had.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOwMG12s8sQ]
without feeling a need
to elaborate, my take is that bill gates is at the front of it, and yes, more than this the regular security state panopticons.
The specter of Class B individuals
For those not following my prior SARS2 essays, I define Class B patients as those who are totally asymptomatic from start of infection up through viral clearance from the body.
Class B patients have been grossly under-counted in ALL figures except perhaps South Korea. Taiwan has a good but likely incomplete handle on this class. 50% of infected persons are Class B .
https://www.thecut.com/2020/04/how-many-people-with-the-coronavirus-are-asymptomatic.html
The Wall Street Journal had an article yesterday
on the new damage that they are seeing in about 30% of the people who are sick enough to go to the hospital.... neurological...vision, paralysis, loss of smell and taste, cognitive issues, etc.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
If I am not mistaken, the last thing Julian Assange did
...before he was seized and sentenced to a slow murder in the UK, was to promote an article from this publisher. The topic was the Council on Foreign Relations.
That's how I remember it and that's what I documented. I have not seen this confirmed anywhere else. YMMV
That's why my dog is upside-down.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
i let my fingers do
the bingling...
"Update 2018: In January 2018, a few weeks before his internet access was cut off, Wikileaks founder Julian Assange shared the above CFR media chart on his Twitter account. Update 2019 : It became known that deceased billionaire sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein had been, until 2009, a member and donor of both the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission."
The American Empire and its Media, July 2017 (updated: December 2019)
as i remember it, a couple, perhaps several of us had featured the charts in The Propaganda Multipiler at the bottom of the page.
on edit: let's always remember that bill gates was quite connected to epstein as well. i'd just come across this NYT link while cleaning out my inbox. great photo/s as i remember it.
I'm wondering where the SWPRS got the Dr Puschel
blockquote, the link on their site doesn't help (it goes to a german web page that doesn't seem to have the corresponding content, in German or in English -- just a photo of the dude, and an audio clip in German that seems too short to be this statement). Everything else I'm going to write here accepts as stipulated that this particular guy really said this stuff, and that if he didn't say it in English, the translation is accurate. However, because I've previously seen at least one example of random nonsense that was clearly written by some anonymous know-nothing, but was attributed to an actual working scientist (whose credentials were then overstated), I reserve endorsement of these assertions as authentic.
Regardless, here are some things to consider:
These conditions are endemic in the US. Almost 40% of people aged 40-65 are diagnosed with cardiovascular disease, hypertension, or both. 10% of the adult population are diabetic, and another 20-25% are "prediabetic". 6% are diagnosed with COPD (in West Virginia it's twice that ... gee I wonder why). Thus, even if "only" such individuals are susceptible to severe consequences, they represent a very substantial fraction of the US population, and a majority of people over 40.
Death rates in NYC are running at more than twice the expected number for this time of year. Amongst "vulnerable" populations, Covid-19 is quite clearly more lethal than the most lethal seasonal influenza we've seen in decades.
(And if you're wondering: No, influenza cases are not being misdiagnosed as Covid-19. Influenza in the US and the UK peaks dramatically in January. By April, influenza fatalities have tailed off to a small fraction of their January peaks. By contrast, overall mortality rates in the UK right now are exceeding the highest mortality rates they've seen since ... well, I don't rightly know, but a very long time ... including the rates seen in January 2015, which for the UK was the worst influenza outbreak in recent times.)
I too would love to be able to see better numbers. Don't be so certain, though, that the results would be lower. Last week I read an interview with a doctor in Ecuador, who asserted that most of his district's Covid-19 deaths were happening at home, and weren't necessarily being discovered immediately. The figure he gave for the number of corpses that had been brought to his morgue exceeded the total Covid-19 death tally being reported for Ecuador at that time. People got explosively angry here in the last couple of days, as some government agencies adjusted their totals to account for people who had died at home or in nursing homes ("in care" is the UK term). They perceived this to be prima facie evidence of a mass effort to delude the public, notwithstanding that warnings of such undercounting had been coming from different corners for at least two weeks.
And in any case, "better numbers" are not going to make the controversy go away, because people will still debate whether any given death is "properly" attributable to Covid-19, just as epidemiologists and clinicians have always wrestled with the problem of classifying a given fatality. If someone with a chronic lung condition like COPD dies of pneumonia, well ... did they die of pneumonia? or of "complications" of COPD? This is not a new problem.
His convictions notwithstanding, this can only prove true if the many, many thousands of victims in the UK, US, France, Italy and Spain were all going to die within the year, and have only had their deaths advanced a few months. There is no way that he can know that -- he does not have the necessary data. He's only guessing, based only on his experience in Germany. It is notable that the Covid-19 onslaught is happening on the heels of the flu season, which means that the most vulnerable populations have already been "culled" by influenza. For myself, having looked closely at the numbers, I strongly doubt that he will "right", at least in the hyperbole of , "will not even show up". That's really, really unlikely.
But this is a falsifiable prediction. Unfortunately, we won't be able to evaluate it for several months. At least, we hope we won't, because if we can, it will be because he was really, really wrong, and the pandemic has gotten a lot worse.
And BTW, this prediction of his is not something I'm dismissing out of hand -- it's a hypothesis that I've been considering for a few weeks. It's only in the last few days that I've been able to locate stats that make me think it's probably not correct.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
You seem to have missed his point.
Yes, he can say "the many, many thousands of victims in the UK, US, France, Italy and Spain were all going to die within the year, and have only had their deaths advanced a few months." because his point was they were already dying and CV was simply the final straw that broke the camel's back.
Their deaths were probably only advanced by a few days or weeks.
and yes ALL of them. In America, 8,000 people die normally EACH DAY. So in a typical month, that's 240,000 deaths. That's normal. You can easily push 40,000 deaths in a single month forward by a few days or weeks and then claim "The Coronavirus made me do it."
Missed his point? To the contrary.
First, I explicitly restated his point:
And then I pointed out that he is very certain, but unfortunately:
And then I noted an epidemiological factor that might make his prediction somewhat less probable:
And then I expressed my own sense of the situation:
And then I made an observation about the epistemological nature of his prediction:
And then finally, I explicitly noted that I have entertained this hypothesis myself
So, yeah, somebody missed somebody's point, but it wasn't Puschel's point, and it wasn't me doing the missing.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
I honestly do not know what to think
It seems as though high numbers of cases with large death rates appear to be concentrated in certain metro areas. I can speak to the local numbers for Leon County, Florida which is home to the state capital, Tallahassee. Until several days ago, Leon County was having much lower numbers of cases than many other similar or less populated counties in Florida. I attributed that to the fact that the two major universities here (FAMU and FSU) shut down early in March and the public schools shut down shortly thereafter.
Then a couple of days ago, there were two spikes in the number of reported cases, more than double any previous high daily numbers. The local newspaper originally reported that a significant number of the new cases came from long term care facilities. There are a number of elder care facilities in this town and those numbers concerned me because my MIL is in one of them. However, when I went to the state of Florida's website for reporting on COVID-19 cases, of 152 reported cases for Leon County, only two were over the age of 74 so that did not match my original concern. The local newspaper has since updated their reporting and nearly 1/2 of all cases in Leon County came from a facility for developmentally disabled citizens. And of those cases, more than half were among staff. So far, none of the hospitalizations in Leon County have had to be put on ventilators.
Based upon this small amount of anecdotal information, I have concluded that the big problem with COVID-19 is that it is so easily transmittable. Transmission is far more likely in situations in which people are crowded or in close quarters. So even though most people will either be asymptomatic or suffer relatively mild symptoms, there are those who may be severely affected.
I am a woman in my early 70's who is in excellent health for my age. I exercise daily and suffer no chronic conditions. I do not smoke and am not on any medications. However, I am very much terrified of COVID-19 because I am very prone to upper respiratory infections and the flu. Even a common cold will knock me down for over two weeks. For that reason I have been taking this pandemic seriously and avoiding public spaces unless absolutely necessary. If I must go to the grocery store, I wear a mask and carry a paper towel saturated with alcohol to clean my hands before I get back into my car.
I personally believe that this pandemic was not a result of some spontaneous mutation in the wild, but is a bioweapon that was released either accidentally or on purpose.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
for now,
without getting into tests that reflect both false negative and false positives, and the 'liberal' way the CDC (according to WH dr. birx) counts covid-19 deaths (the same as italy does). i'll offer this:
‘Prominent scientists have bad news for the White House about coronavirus antibody tests’, CNN, April 15, 2020
The problems with the antibody tests were
predictable by anybody who knows anything about such things.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
because more than half
the crap ones were made in china, lol?
well, i don't know about that, per se.
but I do know that any time you're working with antibodies, you're going to have problems with specificity and sensitivity. and China or no, quality control can be a bitch of a problem. i have personal knowledge of a large scale experiment in which at least 10s of thousands of dollars' worth of assays had to be repeated because somebody in a research lab neglected to do in-house QC on a batch of antibodies they received from a vendor. at some point, somebody noticed the oversight, went back and tested them, and they failed miserably. it was just a bad lot. too bad they'd already been using them for several months.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
then those 'prominent scientists'
don't know as much as you do. check.
you have such a strange way of interacting
with others. i admit that i don't know something, and you come back with some snarky thing about how i must know more than some other people. huh?
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
yes, i was indeed pinging:
meaning you.
oh.
Well, I apologize for being unclear; I wasn't meaning to snark at the prominent scientists. I doubt any of them were surprised by the state of things. I expect that if anybody had asked them, they would have predicted exactly what has come to pass. In fact, somebody probably did ask some of them, and didn't like the answer, so ignored it.
There's a classic Doonesbury cartoon where Roland Hedley Jr (i think) is talking to an elderly Laotian couple on their farm (They're posed as in Grant Wood's American Gothic painting). Hedley asks about the secret bombings, and the old man says something like, "Secret? There wasn't anything secret about them! I said, Look, Martha, here come the bombs!" and his wife says something like, "That's true, he did."
My point being, those prominent scientists probably feel a bit like that Laotian couple: It is no revelation to them that the antibody-based tests are all effed up. I know it's chic to dismiss the FDA as nothing but Big Pharma's bitch, but mostly they actually do useful things -- like making sure that nobody sells medical diagnostics for clinical use, unless those diagnostics have been properly validated in a clinical trial, and unless the manufacturing processes for those diagnostics are under stringent and demonstrable quality control. When the FDA shows up for an inspection, you'd better have your QC documentation in order, or you are fucked. And yes, the FDA shows up at manufacturing plants in China, or anywhere else that sells medical devices for clinical use in the American market. (Diagnostics that have not been validated in a clinical trial can be sold, but they must be labeled "RUO" -- Research Use Only -- and MDs must not use them for clinical practice. I don't know the details of what, if any, FDA regulations apply to the RUO label.)
When I said "anybody who knows anything about antibodies," I meant "even someone like me, who doesn't know that much about antibodies." They can be a huge hassle to work with, but I only know that from being told so directly by people who do that sort of work. I know of experiments that failed to produce useful results, not because the manufacturer effed up in synthesizing and/or isolating/purifying the desired molecule, but because the sensitivity and specificity of the desired molecule just weren't good enough for the requirements of the experimental design.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
oh, bother.
my comment hadn't taken. the short version: i'd meant it go to ggersh on some thread or other, but i dug out again: ‘Presumed Covid-19’: NYC corona deaths suddenly soar past 10,000 after more than 3,700 victims added to list on PROBABLE grounds, 14 Apr, 2020, RT.com
too tired to bring snippets.
I think the death rate in the US
...somehow suddenly jumped to 30,000.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
did you see i'd found
The American Empire and its Media, July 2017 wikileaks link up yonder?
'jumped to 30,000', not the death rate, but the # of deaths? yes, WH coronavirus task force director birx: Dr. Birx: Unlike Some Countries, "If Someone Dies With COVID-19 We Are Counting That As A COVID-19 Death", april 8, 2020
anthony fauci's predictions shape-shift daily, weekly...whether on teevee or by tweet, etc.
200,000! 100,000! now 60,000!
it's all so very strange the way expectations can be massaged into statistics, reports.
Deaths from COVID-19
This way of counting deaths is not unique to COVID-19. They also count deaths in a hurricane in a similar way. For example, if someone is killed (either by accident or a heart attack) while clearing out a fallen tree after a hurricane it is counted as a death from the hurricane.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
in a way that makes sense
to me, as without the hurricane, the tree wouldn't have needed to be moved.
but even with birx's formula, testing positive for the coronavirus, doesn't mean one has contracted it, given so many tests bring both false results. you've likely already seen this one:
Senator: Minnesota Hides COVID-19 Modeling Data, Inflates Death Count
a bloke in italy on twitter had said that the news calls the cases and deaths constantly, almost like reporting a sport, play by play. he's almost made it sound as though the reports were semi-gleeful, but i can't remember his exact words.
given your past inabilities to ward off colds and flu, i can understand your fear, gulf gal. file under: none of business, but i assume you're doing all you know do boost your immune system and keep home health products available for when you do catch colds, etc.?
like grapefruit seed extract, zinc lozenges, oil of oregano gelcaps and the like? my best wishes and vibes coming your way.