Bubba Clinton's Fairy Tales: "Veto-Proof Majority"

In 2008, referring to then Senator Barack Hussein Obama's Presidential run, former President William Jefferson Clinton exclaimed, "Give me a break! This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen." However, Bubba Clinton's own fairy tales can be more fanciful than those of the Bubbas Grimm. (Despite his hundreds of millions, Bubba doesn't seem to own mirror. Tch! Poor guy!)

One of President Bubba Clinton's favorite hoodwinks strategies was putting an excuse or two for signing a bad bill in his back pocket before signing a bill likely to disappoint the left. (Of course, disappointing the left was a bigger issue then, when fewer were dembots.) Win win (for him): If you liked a law, heck, he'd signed the bill. What more can anyone ask of a President? If you didn't like a law, he would reach into his back pocket and pull out one or two of his fabricated pre-fabricated excuses for having signed it; and a considerable segment of the left would give him a pass. One such excuse was "The bill passed Congress by a "veto-proof majority!"

First, Say what? Second, So what?

Like many of Bubba Clinton's fairy tales, the veto-proof majority fairy tale seems plausible on the surface, but is fantasy: A "veto-proof majority" does not exist. Even if 100% of the members of both houses of Congress vote for a bill, the President nonetheless has unrestricted Constitutional authority to veto the bill. Therefore, the only reason that a President adds his or her imprimatur to a bill is that, for whatever reason, the President wants the bill to become law. (Duh?) Moreover, the existence of enough votes to override a Presidential veto cannot be determined unless--wait for it--the President actually vetoes the bill. It isn't a matter of simply counting noses.

Any Presidential veto has an impact, on both voters and legislators, especially legislators from the same political Party as the President. (Of course, a President's pressing members of his own Party to vote for a bad bill so he can pocket a fake "veto-proof majority" is a particularly cynical and selfish form of D.C. kabuki--and, as best I know, Clinton invented it.) For example, "More often than not, the mere threat of presidential veto is sufficient motivation for Congress to modify the bill prior to its final passage." Perhaps most impressive: The percentage of all Presidential vetoes (pocket and regular) overridden since President George Washington is a measly 4%! More about Presidential vetoes:

This authority is one of the most significant tools the President can employ to prevent the passage of legislation. Even the threat of a veto can bring about changes in the content of legislation long before the bill is ever presented to the President....

The regular veto is a qualified negative veto. The President returns the unsigned legislation to the originating house of Congress within a 10 day period usually with a memorandum of disapproval or a “veto message.” Congress can override the President’s decision if it musters the necessary two–thirds vote of each house. President George Washington issued the first regular veto on April 5, 1792. The first successful congressional override occurred on March 3, 1845, when Congress overrode President John Tyler’s veto of S. 66.

The pocket veto is an absolute veto that cannot be overridden. The veto becomes effective when the President fails to sign a bill after Congress has adjourned and is unable to override the veto. The authority of the pocket veto is derived from the Constitution’s Article I, section 7, “the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case, it shall not be law.”

http://history.house.gov/Institution/Presidential-Vetoes/Presidential-Ve...

A Presidential claim of signing a bill because it passed Congress by a "veto-proof majority," though fake, unfortunately fools people. As so often happens, telling a Big Lie takes comparatively few words and seconds, while refuting a Big Lie often takes much more time and effort on the part of the refuter. Which, I suspect, is a major reason that so many Big Lies persist so long. And which, I suspect, is why I write essays to which I and any other wannabe refuters need only link.

But enough about the "veto-proof majority" Big Lie fairy tale! I have just learned what I hope is interesting information about a far more delightful fairy tale, Carlo Collodi's The Adventures of Pinocchio, first published in 1881 in the (still) picture-book city of Pescia (Tuscany), Italy.

According to extensive research done by the Fondazione Nazionale Carlo Collodi in late 1990s and based on UNESCO sources, it has been adapted in over 260 languages worldwide.[1] That makes it the most translated non-religious book in the world,[1] and one of the best-selling books ever published.[2] According to Francelia Butler, it remains "the most widely read book in the world after the Bible".[3]

I hope that, like me, you are glad to know that The Adventures of Pinocchio is encouraging children all over the world to be truthful, for their own good: Unlike Bubba Clinton, most children are not TeflonTM-coated and, unlike Bubba Clinton, they therefore may suffer adverse consequences from telling falsehoods.

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Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young, Springsteen and Williams (Robin)
Teach Your Children Well
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDknDWp-elE]

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQC5bQKPj6o]

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

@ggersh

politician is lying?" did not become a classic joke fer nutthin!

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EDIT: http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=31147364

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"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

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Give poor Bill a break. After all, you can't expect someone to spend good money on a mirror when they can't see their reflection in it.

Blum 3

(Despite his hundreds of millions, Bubba doesn't seem to own mirror. Tch! Poor guy!)

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@Centaurea

Give poor Bill a break. After all, you can't expect someone to spend good money on a mirror when they can't see their reflection in it.

So that's why he can't handle garlic!

Wink

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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@Centaurea He never drinks...wine.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

I think the Dems invented both of them.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

@dkmich I saw this at TOP. When the Bill and Hillary Clinton administration was hit hard during the primaries, a typical school of excuses and apologia that said Clinton had to do for the greater good. For example, Clinton just had to sign DOMA to prevent it from becoming a constitutional amendment. So Clinton did a heroic act in signing DOMA. Or Clinton had to sign the Welfare Destruction Act to prevent an even worse bill from the gop. Problem is, many democrats and advisers at the time were shocked that Clinton fully accepted the gop version without objection.

This is a kind of psychological need of the TOP part of the democratic base to re-invent their neoliberal politicans and leaders as Bernie style progressives.

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@MrWebster

I plan a separate essay about the DOMA excuse.

As far as welfare "reform," he campaigned on it in 1992. http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/17/us/1992-campaign-issues-welfare-talk-c...

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with the ACA. Rotating villains figured prominently in that, too. Damn that Joe Lieberman, amirite? http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/t

Convenient scapegoat: Joe wasn't going to run again anyway. He knew he'd lose the next time.

Innit funny how Republicans are planning to repeal and replace ACA via reconciliation, but somehow, that was supposedly not available to Democrats when passing the ACA?

However, if you overcame all of a bot's Lieberman arguments, one by one, he or she would simply pivot to conservadems in general, without missing a beat. As if the Senate had more than a handful of liberal Dems!

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@HenryAWallace
in 2013 and now they have no way to stop the republicans from passing their heinous legislation. This seems very timely to me. For what damned reason would they deliberately put themselves in a position to not be able to use it?
This is why I think what is happening is part of the TPTB's plan. They decided to go with Trump instead of Hillary for some reason I can't fathom, but look at what he and the republicans are trying to do.
Gut every regulatory agencie, drastically cut the social safety networks that people who are disabled and poor rely on.
Obama showed us a little of the man behind the curtain, Bernie tore the curtain down and now they are getting everything they have wanted since FDR created the New Deal.
Things seem to be too convenient for this to be happening on its own.

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@snoopydawg

The Republicans came very close to having the ability to change the US Constitution to better suit The Psychopaths That Be; isn't there only one more seat required for a corporaye re-write?

That way, the Dems can continue to be presented as The Official Lesser Evil, as long as any pretence of elections continues. (Although I kinda have a feeling that the appearance of elections are still being maintained in great part because the corporate media needs the massive financial infusion to keep them willing to support the sacrifice of life on the planet in the name of additional profits now - and nothing later, when we all go belly-up.)

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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@Ellen North
During Obama's tenures, the democrats lost close to 1,000 seats at the federal and state levels.
DWS was in charge of the last election and she either ran horrible candidates or let the republican run uncontested. Why would they do that knowing they were giving our government to the republicans?
I think they need a few more states before they can do that.
As Twain said, "if voting changed anything, they would make it illegal"

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@snoopydawg

Bad phrasing on my part; was actually kinda wondering if you also considered that that might also be part of TPTB's postulated plan?

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@Ellen North
Yes I do think that was part of their plan. Why would the democrats purposely allow a republican to run unopposed in way too many elections if that wasn't part of the planned actions to get enough states to be able to re-write the constitution?
Why did Obama shrug when his SC pick was ignored for 11 months? He could have made a recess appointment and Garland could have served for 18 months and then this issue would be looked at his term was up.
Now the Supreme Court is stacked with righties and they have been involved with this plan. Look how out of the blue they ruled that corporations are now people and centuries old election rules were dismantled.
I keep reading that the republicans blocked every thing he wanted to do, yet he never called them out on it?
Finally, why did he allow the republicans to block him on his legislation and not call them out for it? Just before his time came to an end, he passed a bunch of legislation that he knew Trump would be able to roll it back. This is one of the reasons that those hundred days are for. The new president and congress has the ability to keep it from being implemented and congress can reverse his legislation. If Barry actually meant to get his legislation passed and have no chance of it being reversed by republicans, he would have passed it sooner so they couldn't do anything about it.
The legislation that kept corporations from selling our information to other corporations wasn't in place when the republicans kept it from being passed.
I don't remember the particulars, but the SC ruled that blatant bribery wasn't against the rules after a governor and his wife received items and cash from a lobbyist. I remember reading the article and just couldn't understand how they could come to that decision.
So yes, I am thinking that what is happening with the government has been done on purpose. Too many things coincidences for it not to be.

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Oooooo, yes, indeedy, as always with your commentary, readily understandable sense from top to bottom - and I do really, really hope that you'll continue to bring this up because there are so many hazards to keep in mind/take into account that many of us simply cannot always keep them all in mind.

And so many Americans seem to be advocating for Constitutional revision which so very obviously must not be done until sane and sensible democratic governance is in place, rather than pathological corporate lackeys. Not that the latter have any respect for the US Constitution - including that Bill of Rights - which they've sworn to uphold as an essential condition of attaining and retaining public office...

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@Ellen North
republicans are doing while everyone is distracted by the Russian slide show. As you mentioned, the people in congress have sworn an oath to protect the constitution, including enemies foreign and domestic.
John McCain has met with the leaders of terrorists groups in Syria to get them on board with helping us overthrow Assad. These groups have been declared to be our enemies, which means that he is not upholding his oath. Same with Hillary, Kerry and everyone else who knows about this, but has stayed silent.
McCain also met with the neo Nazis in Ukraine to again help us overthrow its elected government.
Those neo Nazis that our grandfathers fought against in WWII.
I read an article that said that since WWII, this country is responsible for 1.3 billion deaths.
Just imagine. Somewhere in this world people are being killed so that a corruption can still their country's resources. I can't begin to imagine what they are going through. And way too many people aren't even aware of this.

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@snoopydawg

Constitution, they would EITHER behave and legislate very differently OR resign.

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@Ellen North

https://caucus99percent.com/content/lets-amend-constitution

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@snoopydawg

most of the nation's existence, except: Ike was scared; Warren, Stevens and Souter changed when they got to the court; Kennedy turned out to be a wild card; and Sotomayor, who had a law and order + corporate background, may prove liberal. Obama's nominees were intended to be conservative, imo.

Look who picks them! The Potus and the Senate and, arguably, the deep state.

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@snoopydawg

than the Scotus. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/11/21/harry-reid-nucle...

However, I think all votes should be by a simple majority. I'm tired of gridlock, which conservatives love, and cloture rules, which Democrats hide behind. There would still be other D.C. kabuki, as when both parties collude to rig a vote, as I believe happened with Amash-Conyers. However, as long as any vote requires a super majority, Americans will not be able to hold any side accountable.

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Thanks so much for digging into this subject. Bill Clinton is a charming psycho or sociopath (Take your pick) whose entire career has been about advancing his own self interest.

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@Steven D

Thanks for the kind words.

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He just wasn't honest about who is getting vetoed (shocker there.) After all, the 1% have a way of always getting exactly what they want, regardless of which party has the majority.

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Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.

@Dr. John Carpenter

There is no such thing as a veto-proof majority. If there were such a thing, he would have gotten it only by lobbying Democratic Senators very hard and possibly deceiving at least some of them to boot, something he never mentioned when attempting to hide behind a fake "veto-proof majority."

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gun in the west. Bubba Butt didn't invent that one. (Barfo and a POX on both of them!) Bubba is simply an Arkansas cracker with a high IQ. Repukelican Lite, no more and no less. He got away with it cos people were SICK TO DEATH of Raygun and Bush I. THe DLCraporate/Turd Way was just getting started, no thanks to him and $hrill. The FRightwing was continuing to methodically follow the Powell Memo Blueprint. Why not? Things were developing in their favor. The cheetosbrained trainwreck is just a culmination of all the FRightwingnut success especially in patiently buying up the media: TV and AM Radio. Rec'd!!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

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@orlbucfan
Tell us how you really feel about Bubba the White Cracker.

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