Biden explains why we should vote for Bernie
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Joe Biden explains why Bernie Sanders is the best to beat Trump.
(Yes, this is Joe 4 years ago.. I know it's strange watching him talk in full sentences.) pic.twitter.com/5zhs1eYvFu
— Aisha Sharna (@SharnaAisha) March 4, 2020
A few other tweets that crossed my feed.
Warren makes the case for why she shouldn't endorse Biden.
Elizabeth Warren on Biden 2 days ago. I don’t think you can go from this to supporting his candidacy in 48 hours. #WarrenToBiden pic.twitter.com/lJxaVur6iI
— Tania Singh (@TwinklingTania) March 5, 2020
Note that Bernie has attacked her or her supporters precisely zero times, while I've lost track of how many times she's attacked him, and us.
But I do know she's attacked Biden for his Bankruptcy Bill support, her signature origin story issue, not once.
Warren complains about Bernie's supporters and Rachel eats it up.
Bernie people been falling all over themselves today to kiss this woman’s ass. https://t.co/34rj3u7XZd
— Comrade Misty is Putin’s Buddy (@SarcasmStardust) March 6, 2020
Umm yes Liz people were asked that question.
I asked @ewarren how running for president had changed her.
"There’s just a hundred ways that I’m smarter and tougher now," she said.
— Jess Bidgood (@jessbidgood) March 6, 2020
She loves to play the victim. Poor Elizabeth ran for President and went down in flames and we should feel bad. Nobody told her to run.
It's all about herself, then. This is a profile in courage moment and it's just bitterness on display. She is not a leader.
Let's ask this question.
So all these people screaming sexism and misogyny over Elizabeth Warren. You're going to support Tulsi Gabbard now, right?
— Mary #FlyTheW (@mchastain81) March 5, 2020
A Nazi flag to harass the man who would be the first Jewish president. Don't talk to me about emojis hurting your feelings and Bernie's supporters being uniquely bad. https://t.co/fzcpju6yhT
— Secular Talk (@KyleKulinski) March 6, 2020
But people are mean.
New data suggests snake emojis may be responsible for up to half of America’s 500,000 annual medical bankruptcies. pic.twitter.com/NfVKST5235
— MSDNC - Commentary & Satire (@MSDNCNews) March 6, 2020
The rich white blond woman tries to tell Nina that we shouldn't pay any attention to the heinous legislation Biden passed decades ago and boy is she not only wrong, but she is rude and obnoxious.
Hilary Rosen thought it was a good idea to lecture QUEEN Nina Turner on Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. pic.twitter.com/8OaDqTCR82
— The Daily Angle (@thedailyangle) March 6, 2020
Kos being kos.
WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SNAKE EMOJIS WHEN THE FATE OF THE PLANET IS ON THE LINE https://t.co/C7XdD3zIkP
— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) March 5, 2020
Nope. The PTB don't care if we live or die.
Fuck all these people, they're getting us killed and laughing about it while they gang scold us about our tone, our immaturity, our worthlessness. This is fucking madness
— Gallifreyan Jedi (@JediofGallifrey) March 6, 2020
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So let me see if I understand this.
Twitter “isn’t real life” when something positive about Bernie is trending. But when some alleged BernieBro is mean to someone on Twitter, Bernie should be personally repudiating each and every Tweet?!?
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Snoopy's incredibly insightful and timely essay
BIG kudos for this one, Snoop. Grand Slam.
It's now excruciatingly obvious Warren is not going to endorse Bernie before the Michigan et al primaries this coming Tuesday.
I'm still guessing she will endorse Biden on Monday to dominate the news cycle before primary day Tuesday but maybe not since it sure appears Biden denied her any spot in his administration, noting in a tweet that she's needed in the Senate.
Edit/Add:
A pol can endorse
by an actual endorsement, or by agreeing not to endorse the opponent. And Biden likely asked her to consider both options. Neutrality in this case for Liz amounts more to an endorsement for Joe, even if she doesn't explicitly make one, as she fails to go to the aid of her fellow progressive Bernie.
Warren isn't up for reelect until 2024, iirc, but I think even a few yrs from now plenty of her liberal base will still be sore at her for this one and she may even be primaried from the left. I hope so anyway. If so, she may want to consider other things to do in her twilight years, or possibly a thank you job offer from Joe, if in the unlikely event he's in a position to offer.
Btw, MA currently has a system where a special election is held, w/n 160 days of a senate vacancy, to fill the seat.
Biden tweeted to Warren she's needed in the senate
She's not going to get a job in a Biden administration if that happens.
So now she's bitter and frustrated just like her mentor who shall not be named.
GREAT CATCH!
Biden understood Bernie then. Understood why Her missed opportunities.
And if his brain is functioning, a mighty big "if", he understands now.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Snoopy - please tweet AOC
that we will not vote blue no matter who. She is advocating that position!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
AOC rarely crosses my feed
I saw a headline this morning that said she would now support whoever (whomever) wins the nomination. I will try to find it again.
Krystal on Warren and she is not kind.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPVxhR5XeEY&list=TLPQMDUwMzIwMjBPezLq6v4...
Saager: Judge someone by their behavior.
My opinion is Warren is a coward and will not endorse Bernie. Besides she is bitter. If she actually supported the things she said she does she would have dropped out and supported Bernie before super Tuesday. But we knew she didn't believe in those things didn't we? She never attacked Biden for the bankruptcy bill that she said was why she got into politics.
Ride that fence LIZ. You can become Susan Collins after people finally saw through her. High hopes? Nope.
Here is Warren playing the victim again. Go whine some more, Liz. Let's talk about how you robbed a real Native American's spot while you were pretending you were one.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVXdjXMlOGs&list=TLPQMDYwMzIwMjBXh2UF0OY...
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Here's an article I just found
on her supporting blue no matter who.
And video:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y88JPeBqmAM&feature=youtu.be]
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Good find
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Says She’ll Back Democratic Nominee, Even If It’s Not Bernie Sanders
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To me, this shows her naivete.
She is swallowing the party line - unfortunately. As a freshman Rep, she is trying to stay in the game. Wrong approach, imho. With this kind of thinking, she will lose her seat.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Yeppers
When the going gets tuff you can always expect AOC to fall in line. Remember John McCain was an honorable man. And Nancy makes for a great speaker of the house. And something on Venezuela that towed the party line.
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It is so disappointing
but their income is tied to being on board. I just hate that she is spot on about the system, yet, she thinks taking this stance will benefit her in the long run. The establishment is not her friend - she knows this - she's ignoring it at her peril.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
SD, just Sunday, Bernie again pledged to
support Biden, if he takes the nomination.
(Will post a link to this transcript when I post another excerpt. It's from ABC's This Week.)
Think I'll start posting transcripts of the Biden and Sanders interviews on Mondays. Heh, as much as we detest the Sunday show hosts, it's a 'habit' we just can't give up.
From everything I hear the DP Leadership say--they're totally in this to defeat DT.
Period. End of story. Full stop.
"Unity" will rule the day, regardless of who the nominee is. (Which is not to say that they won't attempt to derail Bernie getting the nomination--I fully expect they will.)
BTW, I'm 'guessing' that AOC's gotten that memo, too.
Mollie
“This above all: to thine own self be true
And it must follow, as the night the day
Thou canst not then be false to any man . . ."
~~William Shakespeare
“Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then, I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving.”
~~Author Unknown
“The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.”
~~George Bernard Shaw
Irish Dramatist & Socialist (1856-1950)
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
To me it shows that she
recognizes that a lowly freshman rep has so little power that it would be pointless for her to get off the blue no matter what train. By staying on at this point, she's also reminding her colleagues that it means they shouldn't jump off if Sanders is the nominee.
She's endorsed Sanders and like him and regardless of the outcome, she wants to live to fight another day. She's so young that it's possible that "another day" in the political landscape may be quite different from today. Why would anyone expect her to foreclose her political future by making an idle threat?
Bernie has a stated position
of supporting the Dam nominee, whoever it is. AOC is his most important surrogate. She is not completely free therefore to go out there in his behalf and yet contradict some of his most important stances. She would be making the wrong kind of news for the campaign, and then there would be problems. So, none of this is at all a surprise.
Btw, even if circumstances were different and she had non-surrogate status, she likely would be taking the same stance. I think she picks her battles carefully, but I also believe she is fully invested in her "two-way street" argument.
Correct --
but why are so many here dumping on AOC over this issue? As if they don't understand or appreciate some minimal standards to run and hold office as a D or R.
I'm just happy
there's been a noticeable (at least to me) sway hereabouts towards supporting and voting for Bernie.
Wok, you did vote for Bernie in CA, didn't you? Been wondering. . . .
Yeah -- noted here a few times
that I mailed in my ballot a week ago for Bernie. Glad to see that a lot of my fellow Californians did the same. Tulsi would have gotten my 2d choice if they had ranked choice voting.
Yay!
I knew you had it in you!
Tulsi got my small contribution -
unfortunately, Sanders got my vote. Strategic voting for "good enough" and only Sanders rose to the level of good enough and Tulsi possibly better than good enough.
I've wondered the same--from all that
I read and hear (on Cable teevee), the DP message is one of total 'Unity.'
And, that includes any, and all, Dem lawmakers, and all the DP Presidential candidates. (Along with the MSM, for the most part.
)
Could be that a lot of folks don't watch, or listen to any MSM, so, there's a disconnect.
IOW, what is written and said in the liberal/progressive podcasts, videos, in general--or, in what you might call the progressive media bubble--is sometimes quite different from what candidates say when addressing a national teevee audience. Also, true of their surrogates.
Plus, there's the DNC Party Pledge Form all the DP candidates had to sign (in order to run as a Dem). Pretty all encompassing, IMO. (posted a copy of it several days ago)
Bottom line, don't think candidates running as Dems have much choice; unless, they take the leap, and choose to run as third party candidates.
Mollie
“This above all: to thine own self be true
And it must follow, as the night the day
Thou canst not then be false to any man . . ."
~~William Shakespeare
“Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then, I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving.”
~~Author Unknown
“The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.”
~~George Bernard Shaw
Irish Dramatist & Socialist (1856-1950)
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
A good question
for others who brought it here to address.
Heh, didn't bring up the topic, but, addressed it! :-D EOM
Mollie
“This above all: to thine own self be true
And it must follow, as the night the day
Thou canst not then be false to any man . . ."
~~William Shakespeare
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Many of us have our reasons
That we formed during previous discussions on AOC that might have been done before you joined the site.
See my comment on how she followed the DP line on a few issues. There were others too, but that's all I could come up with this morning.
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Here is another one
Apologies to wokkamile. My reply was meant for Marie.
How many emojis do people need? Sheesh. Pita to erase them.
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It's not just this issue.
She also supported Pelosi for Speaker and then justified it, not by saying "I've gotta do this if I want to stay viable" but by saying "She was the most progressive person running." That supports the establishment's lesser-of-two-evils voting philosophy which erases the fact that there is no progressive running for Speaker and damned few in Congress at all. If you lie about that fact, even by omission, you won't be having any political revolution and you won't get the policies you want--not even mildly-watered-down ones. You might get something massively watered down that will have a name like The Green and Healthy American Big Bucks Act that everyone can applaud. Or you could get nothing. The lie is in the idea that either of those gets your causes, or the American people, anywhere. What it amounts to is not admitting how bad things are. Things rarely get better when people do that.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I disagree.
She
I agree with the comment by @workamile.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I've never trusted her.
I feel a little differently about Ilhan Omar.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
If she actually supported the things she said she does...
Warren wouldn't have run this time and backed Bernie from day one (and in 2016).
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
More whining about sexism and misogynism
HEY who is missing from this picture?
Yup Tulsi Gabbard is once again not included in the whining about how the media was sexist and wouldn't cover these great women. Not only that, but she has been called a Russian asset and an Assad loving apologist. How anyone can believe that a sitting member of congress and a member of the military could have ties to a foreign power is just absolutely f'cking mind boggling and yet so many people believe just that.
And again the DNC is screwing Tulsi out of her right to run on the DP ticket with equal coverage. But do go on and whine about how poor Harris was written off because she was a black woman. Or the white women and one fraud colored woman weren't covered by the media.
Go ahead!
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Who is the blonde? Serious question.
The others I recognize.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Gillibrand
from NY - remember her? The memory fades.....
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Apparently not!
I wish I was trying to be funny, but I totally forgot her. Heh.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Gillibrand
She didn't not get votes because she is a woman, but because she was so bland. Imo of course. See if people don't even know her name then she didn't leave an impression on them.
Sorry for the sentence structure or whatever. It's morning.
And oh yeah:
Bernie shouldn't have run this time because he begged Warren to run last time and it's her turn dammit. If Bernie and Biden hadn't run then we would have gotten a woman president for sure this time. Damn Bernie and his ego right? Sigh yes that is the thinking over yonder.
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There is talk that the Dems will redistrict AOC out
If they do she should run against Gillibrand...Or Schumer, he's actually up for reelection in 2022, Gillibrand isn't up until 2024 (and I'm sure she'll be part of the clown car in '24)
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
I can see it now
2020 Warren/Clinton "Bernie Made Us Lose" Tour!
Get your tickets now!
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Fascinating Biden interview
for a few reasons. It originally aired on 12 Jan 2016. That was almost three weeks before the 1 Feb 2016 IA caucus. Both Joe and the interviewer were casual in accepting that Clinton was in trouble against Sanders. Before any votes had been cast!
Biden's stated interpretation of this development was so straight forward and rational that it's hard to believe that it was his own analysis and not something handed to him by a trusted aide. His praise for Sanders both as a man of integrity and working for the good of the common people was a dig at Clinton. That was reinforced by dismissing Clinton's claim to be for the common people as relatively new to her. I like to say that this is nothing like what an outgoing VP would do when his party has a horse in the race and that horse is much in line politically with the current administration and the record of the VP. But that expectation is merely hypothetical because in living memory there was only two outgoing VPs that weren't running for president, and one, Cheney, was in a totally discredited administration and his party had long before the general election accepted a loss.
By 1/16 Biden fully understood that Clinton would be the nominee, but nevertheless didn't fully comprehend why he hadn't been allowed to try and fulfill his life-long ambition. Yet, he wasn't in a position to directly criticize Clinton. As he along with almost everyone else fully expected that Clinton would win the ge, he wasn't about to burn his bridges. Also, he wouldn't have overlooked the summer and early fall 2015 polling with him in the race; he took equally from Clinton and Sanders even as his and his boss' records differed greatly from that of Sanders and were only slightly different from Clinton's. But most voters fall for hype and not facts.
Was Biden taken to the woodshed after that interview? That's not Obama's style, but perhaps camp Clinton did. Whatever, it disappeared quickly enough that few people saw it.
Not directly on topic, but it would be very interesting to juxtapose this interview with a recent one. Not so much for content but to compare his lucidity and speech patterns. I've noted that Biden mostly spoke well in the debates, but not so well at campaign events. There's no hint of a stutter in that 2016 interview; so, Biden's defenders are full of chit to make such an excuse for his 2019-20 lapses.
Assad apologist references
may also include Biden, at least to this extent:
This site includes more information on Biden's positions on Syria/Al Qaeda/our "allies," etc.:
http://accuracy.org/release/bidens-syria-regime-change-lie/
Was that a translation from word-salad?
Dopey Joe wasn't that non compos mentis back then, but he was already beginning to lose his edge....
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Why would she owe an endorsement?
So, she wants to be all bitter and whiny about being asked to endorse when no one else was, of course they'd already endorsed Joe on their way out so really, WTF? And she has more than likely knowingly put herself into the king maker position by her actions, so really Liz, what a bunch of empty theater to whine about being asked. Full victimhood on display. Really, this just shows what a weak and spineless woman she is with this type of immature behavior, not a good look for women AT ALL. Feminist my fat white ass to put it crudely, which I tend to do once pissed off. I simply cannot watch her speak anymore, she is as grating on my nerves as Hillary ever was, maybe actually a bit more.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Exactly
I agree with everything you said. Warren can't hide who she is anymore and who she is a corporatist too her bones and she never really wanted to do the things she ran on. If she wants to prove us wrong she will endorse Bernie immediately. We're waiting, Liz.
And Dr John might be right. Liz and Her might team up for their whining tour.
We should name the tour for them. Ideas?
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