(And now it begins for real:) Kaine on trade deals: 'You never close the door'

Submitted by Amanda Matthews on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 9:54am

ARTICLE FROM CNN

Washington (CNN)Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine says he and Hillary Clinton "aren't against trade."

Both Clinton and Kaine had previously supported the Trans-Pacific Partnership -- a 12-nation trade pact negotiated by President Barack Obama's administration -- but announced their opposition once the deal was finalized, in the heat of the 2016 campaign.

"You never close the door if you can get a deal that's going to be good for American workers and our economy," the Virginia senator said. "We aren't against trade."

"We want to find export markets for American businesses because they'll be able to add workers the more they export," he said. "That's very important. And whether it's in Asia or in Europe, if we can find deals that meet those goals, more jobs, higher wages, and good for natural security, and good enforcement provisions, we're open to them."

Kaine said if he is still in the Senate during a post-election lame duck session, he would oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/23/politics/tim-kaine-trade-election-2016/

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THIS IS MY OPINION

This guy has a great talent for speaking out of both sides of his face. I remember before the Clinton creature announced her pick for VP this guy was considered too far to the 'right', too supportive for big biz and Wall Street. Now he's the Opportunist Party's darling.

He says he'd oppose the TPP in a lame duck session? I think that the guy will have some 'miraculous' epiphany and he will receive a message from TPTB and it will be made known to him what a wonderful thing this trade agreement that the Shillary helped put together is.

The betrayals start now. I wonder if the Shillarites will have the ability to recognize when they've been had or will they just make excuses as to why it's oh so good for America, the American worker, and the whole wide world?

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Submitted by duckpin on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 10:18am

No "decent interval" after the lies. The lies are mixed with

what this potential administration will actually do.

I'll summarize what the CEPR says regarding TPP: It's not a trade deal because the USA already has trade agreements with the majority of the countries involved and only 22 of the 24(or so) sections deal with things like tariffs anyway. It's a giveaway of constitutional guarantees to transnational corporations plus extending wasteful copyrights and patents while imposing these lengthy protections on other TPP countries.

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Submitted by Ellen North on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 1:45am

Mon, 10/24/2016 - 10:18am —

Mon, 10/24/2016 - 10:18am — duckpin

No "decent interval" after the lies. The lies are mixed with

what this potential administration will actually do.

I'll summarize what the CEPR says regarding TPP: It's not a trade deal because the USA already has trade agreements with the majority of the countries involved and only 22 of the 24(or so) sections deal with things like tariffs anyway. It's a giveaway of constitutional guarantees to transnational corporations plus extending wasteful copyrights and patents while imposing these lengthy protections on other TPP countries.

It's worse than that - they gain a mechanism based on extortion for gaining complete control over domestic law in all involved countries. Knuckle under, or wind up hopelessly in debt to international finance, like Greece. Either way, it's their way, with no recourse for the public interest.

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Submitted by duckpin on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 7:58am

I agree with your analysis. Since I don't think I have a

complete understanding of the ramifications of TPP, I didn't want to appear alarmist due to lack of knowledge.

Thanks.

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Submitted by Lookout on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 10:27am

the TiSA

is less well known and is likely to pass during the lame duck.

From Wikipedia

The Trade in Services Agreement (TiSA) is a proposed international trade treaty between 23 Parties, including the European Union and the United States. The agreement aims at liberalizing the worldwide trade of services such as banking, health care and transport.[1] Criticism about the secrecy of the agreement arose after WikiLeaks released in June 2014 a classified draft of the proposal's financial services annex, dated the previous April.[2] Another release took place in June 2015[3] and in May 2016.[4]

The agreement covers about 70% of the global services economy. Some claim that the aim of TISA is the privatization of worldwide trade in services in areas such as banking, healthcare and transport.[1][7] Services comprise 75% of American economic output; in EU states, almost 75% of its employment and gross domestic product.[8]

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/10/14/posting-new-secret-trade-doc...

Along with the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) and the TransAtlantic Trade and Investement Partnership (TTIP), TISA is actually the largest of the "Three Big T's" of pending international agreements that seek to further shape the global economic and legal systems in favor of major corporations and elite interests. TISA is the largest of the three deals, and according to World Bank figures cited by Wikileaks, services that would be covered by the massive agreement comprise around 75% of the EU economy, 80% of the US economy and the majority of economies of most countries.

https://www.exposingtruth.com/wikileaks-releases-secret-tisa/

This global trade agreement, promoted by the United States and the European Union, covers 50 countries and is being opposed by anti-globalization activists and global trade unions. The TISA deal is expected to promote privatization of public services in countries across the world, and ease regulations in other sectors.

According to WikiLeaks, the level of secrecy surrounding these trade negotiations is even higher than the also controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) or the Atlantic equivalent (the TTIP), which have been headline news for much of this year.

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Submitted by Azazello on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 10:45am

TiSA is even worse than TPP.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVDJ0i33L0Y width:500 height:300]

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Submitted by lunachickie on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 10:30am

You gotta love this

Kaine said if he is still in the Senate during a post-election lame duck session, he would oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

IF he's still in the Senate? Even if Clinton wins, does Kaine expect to not be in the Senate? His new job wouldn't start until next January. Maybe he'll be sick that day? Even putting that aside, that CNN quote of Kaine still made me laugh--he won't vote for it if Obama wants it, but we know damned well he'd support it for Her Heinous. OMFG, give me a break!

Submitted by WoodsDweller on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 12:26pm

Freudian Slip

Just because they juiced up Clinton to get her through the debates doesn't mean her health issues have gone away. IF she doesn't survive until inauguration then Kaine will probably need to resign the Senate to work full time on the transition.

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Submitted by riverlover on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 12:30pm

Not the real Hill since 9/11/2016

Hand shots argue that is at least two different doppelgangers.

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Submitted by WoodsDweller on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 1:53pm

Teeth

The real Clinton has rounded incisors and a very slight overlap of her left (our right) front upper tooth with the adjacent tooth which is not visible in many lighting situations. You can check photos from when she was first lady and her official SoS photo.
The woman who came out of Chelsea's apartment on 9/11 had pointed incisors and perfect (probably capped) front teeth. Definitely was not Clinton.
The woman at the debate had the correct teeth.
So they may have multiple body doubles and one has similar teeth, or they might have noticed and sent her to the dentist in the interim and this may not work anymore.

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Submitted by kharma on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 11:14am

The figure they have this in the bag...

so gotta' send a little love and acknowledgement to the powers that got them there.

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Submitted by lunachickie on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 11:23am

I will LMAO

if they lose. I'm not holding out hope, the way the fix has been in this year. But I'd LOVE to be able to go over to the Big Orange and rub their fucking noses in it....

Submitted by Anja Geitz on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 1:28pm

I'm afraid you'll have to settle for

Going over there with quotes of their blind allegiance side by side with our quotes outlining exactly what we said would happen each and every time it does.

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Submitted by Crimson Buddha on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 1:38pm

I'm sure the mods over there ...

... will be working overtime to scrub every "I Told You So" diary as soon as it appears. Hmmm, that's one way for Trump to create jobs, I suppose.

Submitted by lunachickie on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 7:34pm

Aw, man!

You think they have mods on weekends now? I was gunning for a real-early-Sunday morning placement

Submitted by Alligator Ed on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 11:04pm

You wouldn't get the job because you're not a Hillbot.

Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 3:28pm

I went "over there"

..... to read their new "rules page". (Muy grande mistake!!) Same as it ever was, except that now we know that any defense of individual rights against the Lord Of The Flies mob over there isn't worth the not-paper it's printed on.

I'm sorry, kos, but I don't consider anyone to the right of Ike Fucking Eisenhower and Richard III Nixxon a Democrat, even though Bubba Clinton managed to "make it so". Call me old-fashioned, but I demand Democrats who are democrats. Otherwise, forget it. Hillary Clinton and her ilk are Republicans -- and that's stating it charitably.

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Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 11:21am

Leaked Podesta email on TPP (from March 2015)

Podesta Talks about how Hellery should position her endorsement of TPP.
Note the 3 tests Jimmy highlights in this video from the email.
1 Creates more jobs
2 Helps the middle class
3 Strengthens national security

Now read her quote from Pres Debate3.
“It didn’t meet my test,” she [Hillary] said at the debate. “I’ve had the same test. Does it create jobs, raise incomes and further our national security? I’m against it now. I’ll be against it after the election. I’ll be against it when I’m president.”

So she can Weasel on this by producing some bullshit talking points that satisfy those 3 tests -- whether the points are true or not.

I'll bet my ant farm she passes it in her first 9 months.

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Submitted by MrWebster on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 6:00pm

You got it exposed just right.

Yah, I suspected that Clinton would come up with some sorta "now it meets my requirements" excuse. Kaine basically tries to characterize anti-TPP claims as being against "trade" generically. What horseshit.

By the way, this may be another area for some Red Scare propaganda. As Marcy Wheeler pointed out about a month and half ago, the NYTimes had a straight article piece (not pundits) claiming that Putin was behind the push against TPP. No kidding.

Submitted by lotlizard on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 5:15am

Some UK media were claiming that Russia was behind Brexit.

And the 1% wonder why people aren't buying their "mainstream" propaganda products anymore.

Submitted by riverlover on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 5:40am

So a dead empire is calling out another dead empire?

No wonder we are on the target list. I am thinking of a new sig-line: 2016: the year we all became cynics.

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Submitted by Amanda Matthews on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 11:41am

My faith, hope, and/or charity was completely destroyed with the

signing of the AUMF on 9-14-01. When the vote was passed to give any president, let along Chimpy McSmirkster (well actually Dick Chainsaw) this kind of authority, I threw up my hands and said 'fuck it'. You see where it's gotten us. Hello ISIS/ISIL

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FROM WIKIPEDIA

Section 2 – Authorization For Use of United States Armed Forces

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

(b) War Powers Resolution Requirements-

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.
(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Ag...

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Submitted by Wink on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 11:33am

HRC and Kaine both

are trade hawks, especially if such "trade" fucks workers.

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Submitted by eyo on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 6:47pm

"add workers the more they export" iow, Bridge Sale!

Thanks, iow (in other words) who's left to buy the Brooklyn Bridge? I heard it was for sale. Raise hands if still believing more shite jobs will raise incomes. F*ck! He speaks no clue.

Mmph (sound of kicked guts), I guess this talk is baby blow-back from the Philippines switching empires, or something. Dick talk instead of lame duck. LOL thanks.

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Edit: Of course today the local rag prints a free trade propaganda piece. Right on cue!
Exports remain a strong part of Sonoma County economy

U.S. companies need to seek international markets because of the enormous growth expected in many foreign economies, said Dick Herman, president of 101 MFG, an alliance of manufacturing executives in Northern California. He likened such growth to what the U.S. experienced in the 1960s.

“Half to two-thirds of the world is going through their consumer boom,” Herman said. Companies that limit business to the U.S. will “have a finite growth potential.”

Also, growth in international sales typically allows a company to significantly boost productivity, which in turn can lead to higher pay for workers.

"significantly boost productivity" "can lead to higher pay for workers" Uh huh. And CEOs will stop offshoring cash while making obscene amounts for bribing politicians. Yeah right.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 12:25pm

Kossacks for Sanders

provided a link to a Podesta email that showed how Kaine was picked as her VP in 2015.
Hillary's mealy mouthed wording of why she won't vote for it gives her ample opportunity to vote for it anyway.
But her supporters actually believe that she is not going to vote for it because she told them so.
Well, Obama also promised a shit load and he didn't deliver on it, so why do people think that Hillary is going to do the opposite of what she has been doing her entire career?
Working for the elites, the banks, the corporations and the mad bombers taking over the Middle East.

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Submitted by UntimelyRippd on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 12:49pm

meanwhile, planned parenthood regularly sends me

hyperventilating emails about horrible mr. trump ... and i wonder whether they realize they're pumping for an anti-abortion Veep who has a VERY good chance of becoming prez.

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Submitted by Lily O Lady on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 1:04pm

Planned Parenthood doesn't care. It's just another

jobs program for the technocracy.

I can't believe I'm even saying this, but it explains why their arguments are so feeble in the face of right-to-lifers.

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Submitted by MrWebster on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 6:15pm

Jobs is right. They all feed off each other.

From what I understand, the daughter of the head of PPH holds an important position in the Clinton campaign. I found it rather amusing that Clinton called out Megyn Kelly as a good journalist on the View even though Kelly has absolutely slandered PPH over the phony videos. I am always a reminder of an article Glenn Greenwald wrote about how some new and up-and-coming media figure went to a DC party and saw the elites intermingling with each other just having a great ole time that defied their public personas. They are actors playing the parts they find most profitable.

Submitted by Alligator Ed on Mon, 10/24/2016 - 11:13pm

Haiku in honor of trade deals

Here's to NAFTA
Here's to CAFTA
T.P.P.
No jobs here after.