the $484 billion coronavirus 3.5 deal: what’s in it & what ain’t


by anthony freda

The House passed the Senate version last night; they’d already agreed to.  It’s long, but it needs to be, imo.  Consider it a a rage of fury on behalf of the underclass.

‘The bipartisan “small business” swindle: Billions for the banks and corporations, pennies for workers and shopkeepers’  Barry Grey, 23 April 2020, wsws.org

“Scores of multi-million- and billion-dollar corporations are receiving free handouts from the government under the “small business” relief fund grotesquely misnamed the “Paycheck Protection Program” (PPP). The program was launched last month as part of the $2.2 trillion CARES Act, with $349 billion in taxpayer funds.

Billed as a lifeline to small businesses and their employees, the program has been exposed as a cynical fraud. Multiple reports have emerged showing that it is first and foremost a cash cow for large businesses and the Wall Street banks. It is yet another example of how the corporate-financial elite is exploiting the coronavirus catastrophe to further enrich itself at the expense of society and at the cost of human lives.” […]

“While big restaurant chains and other firms whose stock is traded on Wall Street gobbled up large portions of the “small business” relief money, and the major Wall Street banks pocketed $10 billion in loan fees, family-owned restaurants, barber shops, beauty salons, retail stores and other small firms were pushed to the back of the line or denied relief outright.

The program ran out of funds last Thursday, less than two weeks after it was launched, leaving hundreds of thousands of small businesses high and dry and their millions of laid-off employees facing destitution. Now the Trump administration and Congress are rushing to inject an additional $310 billion into the PPP.

On Wednesday, the Senate passed by unanimous consent a new $484 billion bailout bill, whose central component is the renewal of the PPP. At the urging of the Democrats, looking to provide a “progressive” fig leaf to the pro-corporate measure, and with the agreement of Trump, the bill tacked on a totally inadequate $75 billion for hospitals and a derisory $25 billion for COVID-19 testing.” […]

“According to a Financial Times article published on Tuesday, 83 publicly traded companies received a combined $330 million in loans from the PPP program, an average of $4 million each. The combined stock value of these firms at the end of 2019 was $12 billion.

Other published figures show how the program is skewed to big companies. More than 25 percent of the $349 billion in loans went to fewer than two percent of the firms that got relief. And more than one out of every four dollars in the fund went toward big loans of $2 million and above.

Meanwhile, just eight percent of small businesses that have applied for aid under the CARES Act have received money.”

‘The New Coronavirus Relief Bill Is a Disappointment, for no good reason, it falls far short of what we need to prevent a depression’, April 21, 2020, slate.com   (only slightly partisan...)

“Many hoped they would force the administration to finally bail out our ailing Postal Service, which President Donald Trump has reportedly refused to help. Others wanted it to expand voting by mail in this year’s elections, while Democratic leaders themselves sought to include more funding for state and local governments, which have seen their tax collections go up in smoke.

What did Democrats get? Congress is going to stick a $310 billion IV infusion into the Paycheck Protection Program while pumping much-needed money into an even more woefully underfunded disaster loan program that’s equally important, if not more so, for many small businesses struggling to survive. It’s setting aside $75 billion to help hospitals and $25 billion for a national effort to ramp up coronavirus testing (contra Grunwald’s tweet above, the bill does include contact tracing).

[I’d like to talk about ‘contact tracing’ in a bit.]

‘Senate passes another bipartisan bailout for business’, $310 billion more for misnamed “Paycheck Protection Program”, Barry Grey, 22 April 2020, wsws.org

“It was presented to the public as being open only to businesses with fewer than 500 workers and less than $2 billion in revenue.

However, after lobbying by restaurant and hotel chains, Congress agreed to the insertion of a provision making larger companies eligible for PPP money, as long as none of their individual locations employed 500 people. As a result, multimillion- and billion-dollar chains such as Ruth’s Chris steakhouses, Shake Shack, Potbelly and J. Alexander were given priority by Wall Street banks, including JPMorgan, Bank of America and Wells Fargo. They approved loans for large companies ranging from $15 to $20 million each, while hundreds of thousands of family-owned restaurants, beauty and barber shops, gas stations and small retail outlets were shut out.” […]

“Sixty billion dollars of the new PPP funding is to be handled by smaller “community” banks, with the intention of ensuring that minority-owned businesses get a share of the money.” […]

“The Democrats had made a show of pushing for additional money for hospitals and coronavirus testing, as well as for aid to state and city governments that are facing massive deficits due to collapsing tax revenues, and for more funding for the food stamp program. There is nothing in the series of corporate bailout bills enacted since the eruption of the coronavirus crisis to address the staggering growth of hunger in America. The consequences of repeated cuts in the food stamp program and social programs more broadly under Obama as well as Trump are now seen in massive food lines spreading across the country.

(Democrats) abjectly dropped their demand for relief to state and local governments and additional funding for food stamps.

The failure to secure aid to the states and localities is particularly significant. Depression levels of unemployment and negative economic growth are bankrupting state and local governments across the country.

Trump, for his part, is deliberately withholding aid from states and cities in order to pressure them to reopen their economies more quickly. He and Republican congressional leaders have held out the possibility of discussing such aid in a new round of bailout legislation.”

He follows with a list of governors who are already engaged in austerity bugets; I’ll bring two examples:

“New York’s Democratic mayor, Bill de Blasio, announced last week that he would slash over $2 billion in city services over the next year. He plans to close public pools, reduce sanitation pickups, suspend the summer youth employment program and impose a hiring freeze.

Detroit’s Democratic mayor, Mike Duggan, has threatened to throw the city back into bankruptcy and bring in an emergency financial manager to impose new cuts in social services, pensions and jobs.”

Small Business Support Must Extend to Businesses of Color’, April 6, 2020, responsiblelending.org

“Small businesses of color are being excluded from the PPP program; without specific reforms this will continue.

The problem: The most significant small business relief program—the SBA’s Paycheck Protection Plan (PPP)—will provide no benefit at all to the vast majority of businesses owned by people of color.

Why? This government-funded program can be accessed only through banks and other existing SBA lenders, and they are lending to existing customers, while most business owners of color do not have these relationships. Also, banks are lending to businesses receiving larger loans with payrolls larger than most businesses of color.

On this basis, roughly 95% of Black-owned businesses, 91% of Latino-owned businesses, 91% of Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander-owned businesses, and 75% of Asian-owned businesses stand close to no chance of receiving a PPP loan through a mainstream bank or credit union’

How big is this problem? Huge. Businesses of color account for 30% of all U.S. businesses, contributing 7.2 million jobs and $1.38 trillion in revenue to the economy (as of 2012, most recent available data)—and are a substantial source of income and employment in communities of color.

Communities of color already are bearing the harshest impacts of the COVID-19 crisis, with higher levels of job loss and illness. They must receive their fair share of COVID-19 relief and recovery.”

In mid-April, jobless claims for unemployment compensation hit 26.4 million, or 15% of the workforce. Economists (including the IMF) have warned that the world is facing the sharpest slowdown since the Great Depression in the 1930s.  Is it time to consider the low lethality of the virus compared to the lethalities of being in lockdown?

Michael Hudson is calling for a ‘debt jubilee’ (in an April 4thinterview)

“Hudson: A debt cancellation is needed when debts go beyond the ability to be paid, and all personal debts, all non-business debts, tend to mount up beyond what can be repaid. You have debt-strapped individuals right now who lost their jobs, or their stores have closed down, or they work in restaurants and they’re unable to earn the money to pay. Arrears are rising on student debts [and] on automobile loans, it’s obvious that the debts are growing so large that the only way of paying them is to foreclose on the property, or let them be homeless, or kick them out in the streets.  And the reason that the Babylonians and the early Jews cancel the debts was not because they were idealists. They weren’t egalitarians. All the debts have to be canceled by the government. And the government cancels it because it doesn’t want to make the economy fall into austerity. It doesn’t want people to lose their livelihood and become unproductive members of society. The reason your cancel the debts is you want to preserve stability.” […]

“The problem is that somebody has to lose when the debts can’t be paid. And the question is who should lose? Should it be the poorest people, should it be the wage earners? Should it be the small businesses, or should it be the banks? Well, one way or another, it has to be either the banks, or else the government will simply create the money to reimburse the banks. But in terms of justice, the banks have made an enormous amount since 2008. They were bailed out in 2008, their net worth and their stocks have soared in value. So, logically, the banks should lose something and bear some of the costs. And the government can simply pay for the cost just as it pays for military expenditures, or for Social Security, or anything else. The government’s able, simply, to print the money. What makes it hard today is that the debts are owed to the banks, and to the landlords, and to private creditors, and they’re very politically powerful. So this is going to be the political struggle or conflict that is unfolding in the next few months in the United States.”

A fascinating concept, save for Iceland having defaulted on its IMF loans, and came out of the 2008 doldrums quite well.  Likely he’s dreaming, as well, but I will say that those of us who aren’t in debt, but living on a knife’s edge just trying to get by, say on social security or Unemployment benefits…will need more relief than that.

Now as to the $25 billion for ‘testing and tracing’, it seems that the Rockefeller Foundation has brewed up a Covid-19 testing action plan: ‘Pragmatic steps to reopen our workplaces and our communities’

“Our National Covid-19 Testing Action Plan lays out the precise steps necessary to enact robust testing, tracing, and coordination to more safely reopen our economy – starting with a dramatic expansion of testing from 1 million tests per week to initially 3 million per week and then 30 million per week, backed by an Emergency Network for Covid-19 Testing to coordinate and underwrite the testing market, a public-private testing technology accelerator, and a national initiative to rapidly expand and optimize the use of U.S., university, and local lab capacity. The plan also includes: launching a Covid Community Healthcare Corps so every American can easily get tested with privacy-centric contact tracing; a testing data commons and digital platform to track Covid-19 statuses, resources, and effective treatment protocols across states and be a clearinghouse for data on new technologies; and a Pandemic Testing Board, in line with other recommendations, to bridge divides across governmental jurisdictions and professional fields.” […]

Dr. Rajiv J. Shah, President, The Rockefeller Foundation

The 3 Major Objectives follow.

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'Authors of PTB include Rajiv Shah, pres. of #Rockefeller Foundation. Shah has worked on #vaccine financing for #Gates. "His bio is the embodiment of the current phase of "green" #imperialism (@cordeliers) w/ a new woke patina of "equality" & "stakeholder #capitalism".

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wendy davis's picture

the speaker of the house's hypocrisy is too much to bear:

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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@Raggedy Ann

tearing down the political system is a good idea. but he seems to have high hopes for corbyn's replacement; wonder why? i don't follow UK politics closely.

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Diseased System in Shut-Lockdown: Never a Better Time to Fight for Socialism, april 23, 2020

If growing misery among the masses is what made revolutions, the Lords of Capital would have been deposed from their ruling perches long ago. But human beings do not spend their lives tallying cumulative assaults on their well being and dignity, and ruling classes are expert at blaming despised Others, foreign and domestic, for the ills of society. History shows us that economic crises do not become political crises that seriously threaten the ruling order until a critical mass of people come to the realization that the system itself is rotten, unbearable and incapable of meaningful reform. They must not only hate the rulers, but also hate the rulers’ system of governance more than they despise domestic Others and “threatening” foreigners. Otherwise, the Lords of Capital will simply find another face to represent their interests, defusing popular disconnect.

The world is now experiencing a unique combination of pandemic and economic meltdown that will directly kill hundreds of thousands in the imperial United States and Europe and further consolidate the wealth and power of the ruling oligarchy, while wiping out whole sectors of the pre-crisis economy and leaving the vast majority of working class people far more precarious and insecure. But Black America has for generations been twice as unemployed, five times more incarcerated, one-tenth as wealthy, and infinitely more insecure of their space/place in “the system” than whites, who are themselves suffering unprecedented mortality from “diseases of despair.”
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The people’s level of consciousness determines whether an economic crisis becomes a political threat to the rule of the rich. As Frederick Douglass said, “The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.” There are tipping points in history, although correctly identifying them is easy only in hindsight. Economic collapse, famines, natural disasters and, especially, wars have most often served to tip the mass consciousness from solemn sufferance to rebellion, at least among the most volatile sectors of the oppressed.
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I believe that such a critical mass exists, right now. Not enough to make a revolution, but more than enough to start the process.

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@wendy davis @wendy davis
just seems to get us a new batch of crooks (and bums).

Organizing a push for one or two issues that are crucial to most of us Great Unwashed might get almost everyone on board for a unified effort for reform.

Health care for all has benefits that have just become obvious to almost everyone. Which health care plan has details (or a lack of complicated details)that would be the easiest to teach to politically passive citizens?

We must not squabble about details. The PTB love to divide and conquer. We must be a unified team.

Foot dragging by the "two" parties will be noticed right now.

Edited for typo.

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@ScienceTeacher

to glen ford's having weighed in, he'd also written:

The duopoly parties’ refusal to establish a national health care system, beginning with Medicare for All, can only be understood in the context of the Race to the Bottom. Protecting corporate health care super-profits is an important part of the equation, but even more central is the role that privatized health care plays in the grand scheme of austerity. Workers are far more wiling to bargain with employers for better wages, benefits and conditions if their families’ health care is guaranteed by the state as a right, not tied to the employer. That’s no way to run a Race to the Bottom, which is why the U.S. ruling class and its corporate political vassals oppose Medicare for All and have been dismantling and underfunding what’s left of the public health sector for two generations of austerity.

but yes, i'll squabble about the details in what's included in pelosi's next 'kick-ass for the people' stim bill. hope that's okay with you, as i rally do think that the devil's in the details, as with 'temporary coronavirus' UBI (universal basic income).

if we don't speak our own truths, we are as complicit a most of the USian political class, i think.

thanks for reading and commenting, science teacher.

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@wendy davis
I am saying that we need to have a rallying cry. UBI is needed for the short term but for long term change there needs to be something for almost everyone to fight for. Student loans are a big issue, too, but a lot of people who are not affected will not rally for debt relief. Unfortunately there are too many people who will just vote for their own pocketbooks unless they can see that we are all in this together.

Bernie's health care plan is great, but progressives need to unite behind one single payer plan and really push for it together. I do not have a personal opinion about which one is best.

People who already have social security or who had decent coverage through their employer just started to realize that uninsured people can infect them with a potentially deadly disease. Pushing for health care could get otherwise passive citizens actively involved.

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@ScienceTeacher

of medicare, not social security, but nonetheless, you see progressive solidarity on one or two key issues as a rallying cry for voting? (if i take your meaning...) i don't even know what bernie's medicare for all is or was, but i will say that the free version of medicare ain't much. now i will never go (willingly) to a doc or hospital again, but mr. wd bought some of the add-on parts, i forget the letters. but they sure ain't cheap.

now glen ford (black agenda report) was a bernie fan (RIP bruce dixon was the true radical, and supported howie hawkins' socialism and vision. but the reason i bought his 'rounding up the strays' graphic is due to the fact that he's promoting #demExit/green enter on line (i stuck up a post about it a bit ago).

it's funny to me that a lotta people even here don't want to vote either green or for hawkins, but that's a whole 'nother story.

i wonder if you even polled folks here at c99%, how much agreement you'd get on say Two Key issues. for me, my key issues are anti-imperialism and anti-capitalism, with side-bars of privacy rights. maybe you could put up a diary and check.

but AFAIK, there aren't many (or any) people of color here, and that can make a huge difference in long-term key issues, or so i'd think.

but as far as 'the devil's in the details', i haven't heard anyone ask about the new $75 billion for hospitals: which hospitals and where? private horsepitals, not community clinics and hospitals? and where will the bucks go (equipment, salaries, treatment? trump's already outflanked biden on the left by declaring that all coronavirus patients will get free medical care, whether that ends up being so or not.

and beyond a few socialists on twitter, i sure haven't heard/seen anyone positing that it will indeed be the rockefeller foundation that gets the $25 billion for mass testing, snooping, tracing in real time, etc. in the US. and that prez. rajiv shah is a BFF of bill gates. so we might be able to surmise that it's another leg up for bill's ID2020 project (digital certificates, tatoos for all), and universal vaccines before we can leave lockdowns. NSA pales in comparison.

it's not clear to me how many citizens are more than willing to give up their privacy rights but i'd think a hella lot. this came in on the popular resistance newsletter this a.m.: 'States all over the world are ramping up surveillance, as people seemingly willingly give up whatever civil liberties they have left in the name of safety, robert sheer. and he doesn't even seem to be aware of this 'mass testing' 25 billion.

but i do think that more folks (but not enough yet) in amerika might be finally twigging to the fact that it's capitalism itself that's caused this nation to have been so hopelessly unprepared for this new virus, not just trump. nor is the pandemic responsible for the coming depression; it was already written in the cards, although the pandemic lockdowns and expenses will make it worse, of course.

anyhoo, a few random thoughts. okay, more than a few. ; )

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@wendy davis
of getting something we want.

Thanks, I did mean Medicare-for-all; it was very late. On the other hand I have had people on Social Security tell me that young people do not deserve UBI because young people nowadays are "lazy". (ie "I have mine, screw them.")

There are a lot of important issues, but I am trying to think about which one(s) can get the broadest base of support. Aside from Covid-19 people still worry about getting cancer or diabetes or heart attacks. Kids are still falling out of trees and breaking their arms.

Imperialism and capitalism-run-amok are serious issues, but a lot of people do not realize it. The current system already invades our privacy when it comes to our health. Bill Gates might have a harder time getting the government to force us to let him microchip us like were are a bunch of pet dogs than using our employers to force us. A lot of Trump supporters are afraid of Pinko Commie Libtards but they have been buying guns in record numbers because they are also afraid of the government. Progressives recognize the problems with government snooping and over-reach.

Even people who are less concerned may just be worried about surviving right now. Medicare-for-all is something that could help most people in a way they can immediately understand. If we can get it maybe a lot of us can get a taste for winning.

I have not read Bernie's health care plan but according to a summary it makes some of the most expensive bits free so people will not need to buy other insurance. This should get a lot of seniors on board along with their fear that young folks might infect us.

People who just lost their jobs also lost their health insurance if they had it. People who still have insurance through their employer have gotten a wake-up call about their health-care insecurity. Almost everyone has a story about some friend or family member having problems with insurance companies.

A lot of Hillary-supporting Dems and a lot of Trump voters could support Health-Care-for-All although it might be more popular if it was not presented as Bernie's plan.

The PTB may be starting to realize that if they want to slink off their yachts and out of their fancy bunkers they need to let the rest of us stop carrying infectious diseases they can get. Viruses do not care how much money a person has.

I have been known to tilt at windmills, but I also like to win sometimes. A fight for Medicare for All could potentially be won. It is worth a try.

Thanks for your long reply taking this seriously.

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@ScienceTeacher

what I want is and to imperialism, full stop, and an end to Capitalism, full stop. not naomi klein's (also funded by the rockefeller foundation as is bill McKibben) 'unfettered capitalism'!

i #demExited long ago, and have voted green for the last 4 prez election cycles, and will so again this time. and here's hoping the new infusion of green participants can be radicalized by the greens (although only howie's positions i actually know.)

i do have some sympathy for where you are in regard to:

Medicare-for-all is something that could help most people in a way they can immediately understand. If we can get it maybe a lot of us can get a taste for winning.

but win in what venue, i'd ask, and over how long a time period? one can't look to the duopoly candidates for that, so you might check out howie's platforms and visions tab. see what pops for you.

i especially like (hope he hasn't changed it w/ the purported new influx).... i gotta scoot; RL is callin' my name.

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@ScienceTeacher
is that many people think of Britain with all doctors government employees. Stress the German-Scandinavian model with government funding and government regulation but private doctors and private choice of doctors. People don't want a government assigned doctor. They visualize an unconcerned drone going through the motions.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness

don't have that concern in the least.

Remember, the OAP 'perk' that gives Congress and SCOTUS-not to mention the Prez and V-Prez, the best healthcare on the planet, is rendered by the Navy.

The biggest sticking point that I have is the higher costs to currently-enrolled seniors, who (today) have very heavily subsidized medical insurance/premiums, since most Medicare beneficiaries are living on a fixed income. IOW, the 'cost shift.' (Just like the good ol' ACA, except, of course, no one talks about it. Reminds me of how 'O' tried to (quite successfully) sell the notion that 'everyone' would save money under the ACA--$2,0000 or more per year, I think he said. Yeah, we all know how that worked out!)

If any Dem lawmaker was willing to do for unionists (what Bernie offered them), or, if a MFA-proposal were to provide a design 'cutout' to current Medicare enrollees--so that they'd be shielded from the ACA-type Model of financing based upon household income--which will increase costs exponentially for many current Medicare beneficiaries, and, if all the "managed care" tools designed to deny health care were axed--I'd probably gladly consider supporting a new Medicare system.

IOW, a MFA, or UMFA system that actually "improves and expands" our current Traditional Medicare program.

Pleasantry

Mollie

THANK YOU America's Physicians & Nurses, All Medical Personnel, First Responders, To Include Medical (EMT/Paramedics/Ambulance), Pharmacy Personnel, Fire Depts, Police Depts, Retailers/Grocers--Especially, To Marginally-Paid Frontline Retail Cashiers & Clerks.

Last, but not least,

THANKS to America's Truckers/Delivery Persons, Especially, To Over-The-Road/Long Haul Truckers Who Obviously Have The Capacity To Shut Down The Entire Country, If They Were To Choose To Sit Out The Current Public Health Crisis, In Order To Protect Their Own.

You are all truly heroes.

Godspeed. Give rose

FYI

From the website Concierge Medicine Today,

Concierge Care for Congress: Attending Physician of the United States Congress

July 15, 2014

OAP provides members of Congress with physicals and routine examinations, on-site X-rays and lab work, physical therapy and referrals to medical specialists from military hospitals and private medical practices. When specialists are needed, they are brought to the Capitol, often at no charge to members of Congress.[4]

Members of Congress do not pay for the individual services they receive at the OAP, nor do they submit claims through their federal employee health insurance policies. Instead, as of 2009, members pay a flat, annual fee of $503 for all the care they receive. The rest of the cost of their care is paid for by federal funding, from the U.S. Navy budget. The annual fee has not changed significantly since 1992.[4]

and,

Yearly Fee

One aspect of the office’s operations which remains unclear is just how the annual $503 fee is determined.

Until 1992, OAP services were free to members of Congress. But after former Sen. Harris Wofford of Pennsylvania angered members by introducing a bill to make Congress members pay market rate prices for using the OAP, a compromise was reached.

Instead of charging for each service, Wofford said, members of the House and Senate agreed to hire independent consultants to determine the average value of the services offered and to use that amount to determine an annual fee.
“We thought of the pricing much like an HMO,” Wofford said of the compromise pricing model. “The attending physician at the time told me he had no interest in handling insurance or billing for each service available.”

But Wofford said the House and Senate committees tasked with determining the fee each insisted on hiring their own consultants, leading to a split pricing system. According to press accounts from 1992, the Senate set the fee at $520; the House fee was set at $263 for the same care. At some point, sources say, the separate rates were scrapped and replaced with the single fee, now set at $503.

The Office of the Attending Physician refused to comment on the fee or why it has not changed significantly in 17 years, despite rampant inflation in all other areas of health care costs.

Anderson refused repeated requests for the Committee on House Administration to provide details of how the rate is determined or who determines it.

“Members pay an annual fee determined by an independent actuary for use of the OAP services,” Anderson responded each time he was asked about the pricing model.

Gotta put an end to this Congressional Perk, if we hope to ever have a decent healthcare program.

IOW, our lawmakers' current excellent OAP healthcare program allows them to be exempt from any austerity/managed care tools that they seek to impose on the masses, as evidenced by several Dem Party MFA/public option proposals.

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@Unabashed Liberal

think ours is barbaric. But baby steps. that's the only way to lure the reluctant. If Obama had only allowed a public OPTION, then more and more people would move to it.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

@Unabashed Liberal
but of course it could be difficult to add more patients to the VA system. Choosing your Doctor does seem to be an issue for some people even if we know the healthcare at the VA can be excellent. If the German model appeals to the most people that is fine by me. Anything would be better than the current mess, but it will be hard to change whatever else is put in place.

It really is a pity that we all cannot get the Congressional plan.

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your family member(s) had a good healthcare experience in the VA System. Frankly, I'm not surprised.

Thanks for the info/writings about COVID-19. Good Don't get to comment much lately, but, try to read as much as possible.

Mollie

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Special Health Care for Congress: Lawmakers' Health Care Perks
A little known office on Capitol Hill provides quality care at a low price.

Excerpt:

Sept. 30, 2009— -- This fall while members of Congress toil in the U.S. Capitol, working to decide how or even whether to reform the country's health care system, one floor below them an elaborate Navy medical clinic -- described by those who have seen it as something akin to a modern community hospital -- will be standing by, on-call and ready to provide Congress with some of the country's best and most efficient government-run health care.

Sources said when specialists are needed, they are brought to the Capitol, often at no charge to members of Congress.

"If you had, for example, prostate cancer, you would go to one of the centers of excellence for the country, which would be Johns Hopkins. If you had coronary artery disease, we would engage specialists at the Cleveland Clinic. You would go to the best care in the country. And, for the most part, nobody asked what your insurance was," Balbona said. (Balbona was a former OAP Staff Physician.)

In addition to Balbona, several former staff members and private physicians who have consulted at the OAP as recently as last year agreed to talk to ABC News on background. They described a culture centered on meeting the needs and whims of members of Congress, with almost no concern for cost.

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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.

@The Voice In the Wilderness
"If you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor" (unless he or she is out of network).

It is my understanding that Medicare pays any physician who accepts Medicare patients, but that physicians are not government employees. You are right that helping people understand this would make it much easier to get their support.

The out of network thing is a real problem with our current system. Is there a non-socialist candidate or organization who has a proposed bill available to push? The "Commie-socialist" fear is a problem for some people even if they otherwise like the idea of Medicare for All.

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@ScienceTeacher
That's why it's important to counter with "No, it's government paid healthcare." The existing Medicare payment rules should be fine. Although Republicans are fond of saying "a lot of doctors don't accept Medicare" I haven't found one yet, aside from Michael Jackson's doctor that didn't take insurance either. No reviews for him. I haven't found a doctor yet that didn't relax when they found out I had Medicare. They knew they would be paid promptly if their paperwork is in order. When I was on Medicaid (actually Illinois Kid Care) fifteen years ago, it was very hard to find a doctor willing to take me. my old podiatrist, whose wife was our CFO wouldn't even talk to me or take cash. He sent his flunky out to say "Dr. ___ doesn't talk to Medicaid people." i.e. "unclean unclean!" I'm still with the podiatrist who did take me.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

@The Voice In the Wilderness
Presentation matters even though most people want M4A.

That's why it's important to counter with "No, it's government paid healthcare."

It will be a lot easier to restart small businesses and sole proprietorships if we can get health care. Maybe that is why big employers like having a stranglehold on our access to health care.

When things start to reopen there will be enough unemployed people that the big-time employers can force people to take part-time jobs without benefits even if everyone has health care. They will just get to avoid the overhead of administering health care access if there is "government paid healthcare". Thanks for the useful input.

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as we're up with the meadowlarks, and even earlier tomorrow. gonna go watch a bit of 2001: a space odyssey. this was the message of the monolith, lol?

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avjdKTqiVvQ]

but tonight's closing song will be buffy's Priests of the Golden Bull. g'night. dream well if you're able; if not, at least...instructively.

their minds rustle with million dollar bills...

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX_AhL2SsUs]

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@wendy davis @wendy davis
pick your brain about the benefits of ground ginger, next time I run into you. Think I read/heard that it's good for the immune system--not sure where, though.

Hope you and Mr WD are able to stay safe, and remain out of harm's way (of the dastardly COVID-19). Take good care of yourselves.

Pleasantry

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[Edited: Corrected typo - 'to,' not 'ot'/corrected syntax in third sentence.]

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Special Health Care for Congress: Lawmakers' Health Care Perks
A little known office on Capitol Hill provides quality care at a low price.

Excerpt:

Sept. 30, 2009— -- This fall while members of Congress toil in the U.S. Capitol, working to decide how or even whether to reform the country's health care system, one floor below them an elaborate Navy medical clinic -- described by those who have seen it as something akin to a modern community hospital -- will be standing by, on-call and ready to provide Congress with some of the country's best and most efficient government-run health care.

Sources said when specialists are needed, they are brought to the Capitol, often at no charge to members of Congress.

"If you had, for example, prostate cancer, you would go to one of the centers of excellence for the country, which would be Johns Hopkins. If you had coronary artery disease, we would engage specialists at the Cleveland Clinic. You would go to the best care in the country. And, for the most part, nobody asked what your insurance was," Balbona said. (Balbona was a former OAP Staff Physician.)

In addition to Balbona, several former staff members and private physicians who have consulted at the OAP as recently as last year agreed to talk to ABC News on background. They described a culture centered on meeting the needs and whims of members of Congress, with almost no concern for cost.

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