Why Every Politician Should Listen to our Veterans

I wrote this up in late July last year after a veteran and his wife stopped by our Peace vigil. I mentioned it in a post this weekend and it seem to garner some interest to read more. I did make one mistake this weekend when I said the man had three tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. I had that backwards as you will read in the narrative below. I had previously posted this to a Google group we had for organizing this site, so it may seem familiar to some of you. One of our guys who has been doing the Peace vigil for 12 years called it one of the best days for him ever. Unfortunately, my write up does not adequately capture the emotions we all felt while talking to this man. Anyway, here is my account of why every politician in Washington DC should listen to our veterans of these illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

We did not have a Peace vigil last week due to heavy rain so it had been two weeks since our last Peace vigil. The guys have been doing this for over eleven years and I joined them last year. It has always been at the same time and same location, right in front of the county courthouse. The original group contained 30-35 people and one dog. After the election of Obama in 2008, participation fell off dramatically so that now our regular core is five humans and Buddy the Peace dog.

About two months ago, a bunch of Tea Party folks started coming on Sat. mornings and for a while we were overlapping time with them. Ugh. They come dressed in tee shirts with the Gadsden flag on it and carry the Gadsden flag too. And they usually carry signs reading "Read the Constitution" and "Where are the Missing IRS Emails?" and similar signs. I cringe at the thought that we might be considered a part of their group although two ladies drove by today and yelled that we were the group that they supported, not that other group. Surprisingly, the people in the Tea Party group are reasonably friendly to us and most support us getting out of wars. "Wow!" I said to Bill who normally stands next to me. "It is scary that we have something in common with the Tea Party folks." Ever the dry wit, Bill said, "Don't worry, that is about the only thing we have in common."

We stand there with our signs and a banner that reads "No Blood for Oil." And we smile and wave to the cars passing by. This small town has a very vibrant downtown and so we get a lot of visitors here on the weekends,many of whom come from out of town for a day trip. We usually greet the people walking by with a "Hello and how are you today?" Most people respond in kind, as this is the South and most people are polite. Quite a few even stop to pet Buddy on the head and talk to us

Today, was one of those very cool encounters when a couple in their late 30's or early 40's with a dog walked by. They had already passed us when the woman turned around and came back to pet Buddy on the head. And then the man and the dog came back too. It turned out that he was a veteran of three tours of duty in Afghanistan and one tour of duty in Iraq where he fought at Fallujah. He was somewhat reticent at first, and then he opened up to us about how the war had really changed him and how many of his fellow soldiers were killed. He said that on Father's Day, he spent a lot of time looking at a picture of his group and remembering how many never returned. I noticed that he had quite a few large scars on one leg and he said those were from the wars. He said that when he went over there, he completely believed in the wars and that the US was doing the right thing by sending troops over there. After being there, he realized that it was all a bunch of lies and he really regretted that he had volunteered.

He said he came back a very changed man and was having troubles adjusting to civilian life and finding a job. The Army had wanted him to stay on and be a recruiter, but he said he could not do that and lie to prospects about these wars, so he is still trying to find a job. About a year ago they adopted the dog from the shelter. They thought they were saving her life. But, as he said, it turned out that she had saved his life. He said that he could never support any kind of war again. He also complained about how the govt. is treating the veterans and how hard it is to get any help from the VA. We thanked them profusely for stopping to talk to us and for telling us his story. When they left, I had a huge lump in my throat and tears in my eyes. Don, our unofficial leader said today was one of the best days ever in his time at the Peace vigil. I agree.

By the way, this former soldier was not the first person who stopped today to relate a personal story. A young woman with a small child stopped by earlier and thanked us. She said her husband now suffers from post trauma stress from fighting in Iraq. Like so many young people who volunteered, he thought he was doing the right thing. She also said this war changed her own perception of the US foreign policy.

I think all politicians should be forced to listen to the veterans of these wars so maybe they will understand how their decisions are destroying so many lives, both of our own citizens and the people who live in these horrendous war zones.

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Good post gulfgal.

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in Fallujah. I don't want to add to this something personal, just saying that he was one of the soldiers, who didn't believe in this war at all. He left the services in 2005. "The wasted part" of his life became clear only years later. Very hard to understand. We got a dog and the dog saved us to cope. All the rest is too personal and in the end also not relevant to the public.

As a mother it pains me to hear that people say these are wasted lives. Though it's true, it's better to believe that one can save a wasted life and still make something out of it, even if that is quite hard sometimes. What else would be alternative, if you don't keep up that hope? I know what the alternative is and you know it too. Just look at the suicide rates among Veterans.

He said that when he went over there, he completely believed in the wars and that the US was doing the right thing by sending troops over there. After being there, he realized that it was all a bunch of lies and he really regretted that he had volunteered.

This is something my son told me to be the case for almost all American soldiers, not so much for the immigrant "green card soldiers". I think they come with another perspective, but with lots of motivation to accept to fight in these wars, just to make it to citizenship. Well, I don't like to talk about that. It's not that funny.

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I did not call them wasted lives, but I do believe these experiences do a tremendous amount of emotional damage to the people we send over there. It is criminal that our leaders in government think nothing about what they have done to both our own service people and to all the innocent people we have killed over there. I will never blame our service people who volunteered. I am willing to bet that the vast majority believed in the propaganda lies that our country has been telling us.

Mimi, I am sorry if this post upset you. Sad

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Big Al just threw in a short thingy saying "Wasted Lives". I am also not upset about him. I know very well there is something to the fact that some of those lives are or were almost wasted. I just tried to say that it's not that easy to cope with the idea of having a loved one "wasted his life", if it's your own child. Whatever is wasted, we know who is responsible for that "waste".

I shouldn't have made that comment. The more important part of my response to you was about the fact that almost all American soldiers my son was with in Iraq, supported the war (in the beginning like your described with the Veteran you talked to), whereas foreigners, immigrants, people, who enlist with a green card to advance easier and faster to citizen status through their military, were sceptical from the beginning. At least that's the anecdotal evidence I got.

I am so sorry, can we just calm down? And not believe that every little thing we say is a big deal and gets us upset. I think my way of expressing myself is somewhat harsher in sound and style than an American would be able to express himself. I wished I had some "smoother" way of talking.

I am so glad I can express myself here freely. Smile

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makes us look at things we'd rather not see. I hope your son made it home safe.

When people around me thank military for their service, I never do. I say, "I'm sorry for the war and that you had to go there. I don't mean it to be offensive. It my truth and that's the way it is

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isn't needed. Makes everyone feel somewhat not at ease. Politeness of a kind that just doesn't quite cross over as "meaningful". It's a long time ago anyhow. If my son sees a homeless and/or disabled Veteran, he sits with him, buys him a meal, plays some guitar and then he goes on with his business of living.

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that is a great comment you just made, and you did a great job of raising your son.

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is so beautiful that it makes me want to cry. Thank you. Good

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just lovely that he takes time out of his day to do that

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I think this whole thank you for your service is something people say to make themselves feel better. It is sort of like washing their hands of the whole sordid business of war. I usually say something to the effect that you do.

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I was not offended at all. It takes a lot to offend me personally. I was just trying to clear up what I wrote.

Your comments here are so refreshing because you bring a different and much needed perspective of someone who grew up in another country and we really need to listen to what you say.

I noticed your comment about how you son changed his mind once over there which is what the man who stopped by our Peace vigil said. I really wish our government leaders would take the time to listen to them because what they have to say is extremely important. That was why that day that the veteran stopped by to talk to us was our best day ever. We got to hear it from someone who experienced it. We let him talk and we just listened. That is what our people in Congress need to do too if they have any ounce of humanity left in their souls.

I am glad that your son made it home safely and is doing good thing for other vets. You must be very proud of him. Smile

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