Why do they hate us?

Last week, Republican front-runner Donald Trump made a most amazing statement when asked about terrorists.

"Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine."

It's not beyond comprehension. President Bush explained it to us back in 2001.
"They hate our freedoms."
Of course he may as well have said "they hate us because we're pretty and popular." It would have meant the same thing.

In one of his campaign commercials, Senator Rubio flatly asserts that violent extremists target us because we let women drive and girls attend school.

It appears that what motivates Islamic terrorists is their weird, incomprehensible culture and religion. Their deity, Allah, is some strange six-armed Gawd with a ram's head, and not the very same Gawd that Moses and King Solomon worshipped. At least that is what many Americans seem to believe.
It's simply not possible that Islamic terrorists could be motivated by political and economic reasons.
It's simply not possible that our ridiculous assumption about the Muslim terrorists are self-serving.

Trump, Rubio, and Bush are talking to the very same low-information crowd that likes their answers in easy-to-swallow chunks that can fit into 30-second TV commercials, preferably in front of an American flag. They are often driven by imagery and are actively hostile to facts.
Unfortunately these people decide elections.

The Hatred is Beyond Comprehension

It's not like Trump, Republicans, and Americans in general don't know that we've been bombing Iraq for 24 years, and Afghanistan for 14 years.
It's not like they are unaware that we've invaded and killed many thousands of brown-skinned people.
It's that the lives of foreign people don't matter as much as ours do.

In 1967, Thomas Merton summed up American attitudes in these words.

“The Asian whose future we are about to decide is either a bad guy or a good guy. If he is a bad guy, he obviously has to be killed. If he is a good guy, he is on our side and he ought to be ready to die for freedom. We will provide an opportunity for him to do so: we will kill him to prevent him falling under the tyranny of a demonic enemy.”

Not much has changed in America since the days of the Vietnam War. We still destroy villages and children in order to save them.
For instance, consider how the White House explained why we had to assassinate 16-year-old Abdulrahman Awlaki who was guilty of nothing.

GIBBS: I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well being of their children. I don't think becoming an al Qaeda jihadist terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business.

Most Americans can't even imagine another nation not approving, or at least understanding, America destroying it's infrastructure and killing its children.
Most Iraqis don't want us to bomb them, but when have you ever heard an American media outlet or politician admit that? And if they did, why do Americans never consider their wishes?
This is similar to our drone strikes in Pakistan, where only 5% of Pakistanis approve us bombing their country and an overwhelming majority oppose it, but we continue to do it anyway.
It may seem inconceivable to Americans, but lots of people in the world resent it when you kill their neighbors, friends, and families.
As for our political leaders, they are pushing to escalate the violence because no one in those Muslim countries is truly innocent.

Donald Trump has called on killing families of terrorist suspects. As if deliberately targeting innocent women and children is something we should consider.
Ted Cruz has called on “carpet bombing” Syrian cities controlled by IS and see if “sand can glow in the dark.”
When moderator Hugh Hewitt asked Ben Carson, “So you are OK with the deaths of thousands of innocent children and civilian?” he responded, “You got it. You got it.” I find this statement amazing, not just because it is evil, but because no one seems to find it unusual.

The supposedly moderate, Jeb Bush thinks that we have been too cautious when it comes to killing innocent people. He wants to “get the lawyers off the backs of the fighting forces.”
Coincidentally, relaxing the rules of engagement is something President Obama is considering right now. Congressional scrutiny has already been eliminated.

The low-information American probably thinks that we've almost never killed anyone who didn't deserve it, but then those low-information Americans never took to the time to find out if that assumption was true or not.

Most Americans have probably forgotten that a decade before 9/11, we murdered 408 innocent civilians in a Baghdad bomb shelter.

Not all who died died immediately; black, incinerated hands of some victims remain fused to the concrete ceiling of the shelter.

For some incomprehensible reason there is a memorial for the victims in Baghdad, rather than a big "thank you" to America.

Iraq was then bombed once every three days on average all through the 90's.
In 1998, Secretary of State Madeline Albright was asked on 60 Minutes, "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" Albright replied "we think the price is worth it."
It was just half a million Iraqi children. How many American lives does that equal? It's not like those deaths would justify someone looking for revenge.

In 2005, two al-Qaeda terrorists bombed a Muslim wedding in a Jordan hotel.
In response, President George W. Bush said "The bombing should remind all of us that there's an enemy in the world that is willing to kill innocent people, willing to bomb a wedding celebration in order to advance their cause."
The irony of this statement was lost on President Bush, because he had already bombed several Muslim weddings in order to advance his cause. The first of which was in Afghanistan in December 2001. 39 women and children were killed in that strike, but Americans didn't notice.
Between President Bush and President Obama, we've bombed at least eight Muslim weddings.

 And were a wedding party to be obliterated on a highway anywhere in America on the way to, say, a rehearsal dinner, whatever the cause, it would be a 24/7 tragedy. Our lives would be filled with news of it. Count on that.
But a bunch of Arabs in a country few in the United States had ever heard of before we started sending in the drones? No such luck, so if you’re a Murdoch tabloid, it’s open season, no consequences guaranteed. As it happens, “Bride and Boom!” isn’t even an original. It turns out to be a stock Post headline.

Yes, "Bride and boom". Slaughtering women and children is a reason for a funny pun, as long as it isn't Americans.
Surely we can squeeze in a hilarious use of  “till death do us part”.

Do you remember the village of Qalaye Niazi? You probably wouldn't because it was wiped from existence by B-52 bombers in 2002, along with over 100 civilians.
Then there is the village of Azizabad.

The U.S. command carried out a devastating bombing of what turned out to have been a memorial ceremony for Timor Shah.
As many as 90 civilians, including 60 children, were killed by the bombing.

Funerals seem to be a popular reason to bomb Muslims, but an even more popular reason to bomb Muslims is if they are coming to rescue the victims of the previous bombings.

A three month investigation including eye witness reports has found evidence that at least 50 civilians were killed in follow-up strikes when they had gone to help victims. More than 20 civilians have also been attacked in deliberate strikes on funerals and mourners.

Then there is the Chenagai drone strike in 2006. It seems leader of the madrassa, cleric Maulana Liaqat Ullah Hussain, was sheltering al-Qaeda militants.
The drone strike killed the cleric, along with at least 69 children because the religious school was full of children at the time.

It's simply incomprehensible that anyone would seek revenge for these massacres of children. It must be their crazy religion that motivates these people.
After all, the Sunnis and Shia have been killing each other for 1,400 years... or maybe that's a self-serving myth propagated by people who want war.

The conflict now brewing between certain Sunni and Shia political factions in the Middle East today has little or nothing to do with religious differences and everything to do with modern identity politics. Just as in Rwanda, Western powers and their local allies have sought to exacerbate these false divisions in order to perpetuate conflict and maintain a Middle East which is at once thoroughly divided and incapable of asserting itself.

If you think this is some sort of complete list of massacres of innocent civilians by our "surgical strikes", then you have the wrong impression. This is just a random sampling.
For instance, just looking at only drone strikes only in Pakistan, you will find five times that there were at least a double-digit number of civilian casualties.
Someone might be incline to believe that the families and friends of these innocent victims make take offence at these massacres.

“Peace prize? He’s a killer…Obama,” the man added, “has only brought war to our country.” The man spoke from the village of Armal, where a crowd of 100 gathered around the bodies of 12 people, one family from a single home. The 12 were killed, witnesses reported, by U.S. Special Forces during a late night raid.

What's more, people might want revenge even when we didn't kill them. They might want revenge when we simply torture them.

The natural desire for revenge among many in the Muslim world draws heavily on the hideous and perverse humiliation and torture that racist U.S. forces have carried out in that world. A remarkable teleSur English essay by Vincent Emanuele, a former U.S. Marine veteran of America’s arch-criminal Iraq invasion and occupation, is titled “I Helped Create ISIS.” By Emanuele’s account of his enlistment in an operation that gives him nightmares more than a decade later:
“I think about the hundreds of prisoners we took captive and tortured in makeshift detention facilities staffed by teenagers from Tennessee, New York and Oregon. I never had the misfortune of working in the detention facility, but I remember the stories. I vividly remember the marines telling me about punching, slapping, kicking, elbowing, kneeing and head-butting Iraqis. I remember the tales of sexual torture: forcing Iraqi men to perform sexual acts on each other while marines held knives against their testicles, sometimes sodomizing them with batons.”
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And when they were released, we would drive them from the FOB (Forward Operating Base) to the middle of the desert and release them several miles from their homes.”
“After we cut their zip-ties and took the black bags off their heads, several of our more deranged marines would fire rounds from their AR-15s into their air or ground, scaring the recently released captives. Always for laughs. Most Iraqis would run, still crying from their long ordeal at the detention facility, hoping some level of freedom awaited them on the outside. Who knows how long they survived. After all, no one cared. We do know of one former U.S. prisoner who survived: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS.”
Innocent people were not only routinely rounded-up, tortured and imprisoned, they were also incinerated by the hundreds of thousands, some studies suggest by the millions….Only the Iraqis understand the pure evil that’s been waged on their nation…”
“….The warm and glassy eyes of young Iraqi children perpetually haunt me, as they should. …My nightmares and daily reflections remind me of where ISIS comes from and why, exactly, they hate us. That hate, understandable yet regrettable, will be directed at the West for years and decades to come. How could it be otherwise?”

The evil that we've inflicted upon the innocent people of this region, an evil that we continue to inflict upon them, and we will continue to inflict upon them, has caused a hate that is extremely easy to understand. In fact, it's easier to understand their hate than it is to understand why we've inflicted so much evil upon them in the first place.
This in no way justifies the killing of more innocent people. Nothing could justify that. But the puzzlement and confusion of Trump, Rubio, and the majority of Americans as to why they hate us is just self-serving denial. The denial is itself a crime, because it enables this evil to continue.

If you believe that your enemy has incomprehensible beliefs and motivations, possibly even the inability to think logically and in a reasonable manner, then there is no point in addressing any legitimate grievances. There is no need to seek a negotiated peace. There is no urgency to question our own strategies and the motivations of our leaders, even when the it is obvious that we are losing the war by every metric.

94% of terrorist attacks in the U.S. since 1980 were from non-Muslims.
The primary reason that people join ISIS is because they are "desperate for money and are struggling to find a way to survive".
Virtually every suicide attack in the world over the last 35 years was directed at an occupying military force.
It's politics, not religion, that inspires terrorism.

Yes, the language of violent jihad may borrow its vocabulary from Islamic theology – it’s a useful marker of shared identity – but root motivation is as it always is: politics. The IRA weren’t Bible-believing Catholics, they were mostly staunch atheists. Catholicism was simply a marker of who counted as “one of us”. And the same is true of Islamic terrorism...
We buy into the radicalisation hypothesis because we want evil to be mysterious and other; something that has nothing to do with us. We want to tell ourselves that we are secular and enlightened and so have no part in all of this bloodshed. It’s what people commonly do with evil – we conceptualise it as being as far away from us as possible. But if Islamic terrorism is really all about politics, then we have to admit that the long history of disastrous western interventions in the Middle East is a part of the cause of the horror that continues to unfold. In other words, we have to face our responsibility.

If you want to know why they hate us, well, just look at what Osama bin Laden told us more than a decade ago.

Contrary to what [President George W.] Bush says and claims -- that we hate freedom --let him tell us then, "Why did we not attack Sweden?"...
Your security is in your own hands. Any nation that does not attack us will not be attacked.

The authority of the statement is not in question, and 11 years of evidence have proven the statement to be true for the Christian world.
Yet the typical American won't hear this because of the source, and will instead embrace spoon-fed lies from politicians instead out of some twisted sense of patriotic duty.
It doesn't matter if bin Laden's statement is logical and rational. It doesn't even matter if it is true. It doesn't matter if your own political leaders are proven liars. Patriotism trumps it all.
It also helps when the news media, which has been complicit in selling the myth of our exceptionalism and goodness, bends over backwards to be political organs of the establishment. US imperial violence does not exist and never has. “Even while it was happening it never happened. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest,” said journalist Harold Pinter.

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It is tragic that most Americans can't understand this, let alone feel the guilt implied.

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Allows Americans to continue to delude themselves and believe in the propaganda that we are being fed. I see it when we talk to people at our Peace vigil.

This essay is very powerful and well written. Thank you for writing it, gjohnsit.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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shite out of a country, murdering thousands upon thousands of innocent men, women, and children, and then convince itself that doing so in the benighted belief that it is "liberating" their country, and bringing the gifts of "freedom" and "democracy" to the victims of the slaughter. It's delusional, and, again, yet another example of how wise the wise man who gives me my sig line is.

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"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon

Hi,
I thought of you in the comment I posted over at dailykos a few minutes ago.

It features Wilkinson, a former military man and Bush official describing the collapse of the empire

It is about a 30 minute interview in which he talks about the failure of military solutions and the change of our country into a military empire

Here is the link

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/27/1463925/-Bernie-News-Roundup-...

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I went on some trips sponsored by Overseas Adventure Travel which now advertises on NPR

They were long bus trips with a max of 16 people with indigenous guides. In Guatemala, The Road of the Maya, we learned that the Maya are still there even with a 30 year civil war which ended in 1996 and the country finally used the word "Maya" rather than Indians, the latter to indicate that they migrated there rather than that there were 3 million in the region before Spanish arrived. We saw hands on farming which are touted as the way to save the earth by using the soil to sequester carbon in contrast to our chemical and energy expending agriculture. The US had its hand in the wars at various times.

(That is a side topic covered in comment on dailykos http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/25/1463568/-BNR-Sanders-Strong-S...)

In the trip which was mostly above 12,000 ft in Southern Peru and Bolivia, we again saw intensive agriculture in very difficult climates and soil conditions, along with traditions that have survived the onslaught of technology. The trip to the amazon in Peru was again to see indigenous people living with a small footprint.

And the trip to Morocco featured farming for thousands of years in the same area. Old buildings survive there because they were not continually overrun like we saw in Uzbekistan with some traditional agriculture returning after the Soviets changed to cotton production which destroyed a lot of the soil and diverted water.

The most descriptive treatment of American Genocide in the 20 th century was Nick Turse: "Kill Anything That Moves:The real American war in Vietnam."

And it continues and continues and Americans can't seem to understand the mystery as noted in your article.

Thanks for the summary of how the current lies are infecting our politics and our national politics.

As a further aside, just finished "Kissinger's Shadow" and Kissinger started the secret bombing of Laos and Cambodia for domestic political reasons, to get Nixon re elected.

There is a deep sickness hiding under our 'exceptionalism' and I will always remember Jeremy Scahill's response to my question which was "American exceptionalism is so deeply embedded in our culture that I have no idea what will change it"

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i might have made this comment before some days ago, but here goes again anyway

at our local leftest monthly meeting a couple of weeks ago the author of "drugs as weapons against us" spoke. The subtitle of the book is The CIA's Murderous Targeting of SDS, Panthers, Hendrix, Lennon, Cobain, Tupac, and Other Leftists

Someone at the meeting said that for a while, the biggest national security threat to the US was John Lennon. That is not said in the book, but it hints strongly that he was murdered by the security state. The book catalogs the CIA's use of LSD, and the drug wars, to weaken the anti war movement.

The warm up to the attacks on the terrorist effort, OWS

I was big on anti war up until I left Berkeley in 1967 but went on to other things for 40 years with little time spent on politics.

Here is some more on the book and Lennon from a dailykos comment

I put in comments on BNR as my main place to deposit comment

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/26/1463741/-Bernie-draws-31K-in-...

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on the "Hillary versus Bernie" diary by JOBU.

I remember him as a "branler extraordinaire" in his first years. Now he tries to be a "spécialiste de l'escroquerie". Pardon my French. He deserved you calling him out. It's pretty rare that I remember who said what. But I didn't forget that nick dude. Anyhow, thanks for doing it.

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sort of operative of the national security state (even if only as a stooge); however, it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility. Then again, I do keep in mind my sig line, and what you wrote is kind of the reason I've adopted it.

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"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon

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wasn't interested in politics when he was killed. He was watching the wheels.

Shakur was a killer, killed by killers like himself.

Cobain listened to the gun, rather than his daughter.

And so on.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhMHaiSZ26A]

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without having read so many books about what the US has done when and why and how they justified it. I think you might consider also a very simple explanation to all of it.

People (all races, all genders, all places) all have an inner moral conscience and compass, they deep down know what is right and what is wrong. They also have the strong capability to completely hide their inner knowledge about what was done wrong and deny it to the outer world and invent justifications for their wrong doings. The capacity to deny to your own mind and to your public community or closer circle of friends and family everything that was done wrongly is much stronger than the inner voice of conscience that tells you that you have done something wrong and should admit your guilt and try to right the wrongs. As a matter of survival of your own self, you do not admit it to yourself and find the whole mirage of justifications for the wrong that was done on to others. In fact I believe that whole social structures are based on it. These structures expect from those people, who are in fact treated unequal and unfairly compared to others, to deny those inequalities, so that the structure as a whole can function. It basically demands of you self-denial. It works as long as people believe they can survive better in such a system than in a system that ends up in total devastating civil wars or in wars by an empire that kills and engages in genocidal exterminations. If people's communities are destroyed, homes are destroyed and livelihoods so much impossible to keep up, people either start fighting and risk their deaths or flee in the hope to find places where they can survive. It's happening all over right now.

The United States had never experienced a situation where its citizens had to flee from destruction by outside forces. never been bombarded in massive ways without a possibility to escape the destruction. The only way the United States could be destroyed is by their own inner self-destruction, suicide, or starvation and hunger due to completely unsustainable agricultural and environmental methods of living. That's, I believe is the reason, why you seem to see a lot of self-hatred among those, who see the situation up front, and a lot of denial and incomprehension by others, who do not see anything wrong about their foreign, imperial actions that is embedded in their economy and necessary for its own survival, as those policies and engagements internationally it is sold as being benign to all. Those, who know, but can't face their wrong doings, can always say they "didn't know", when some atrocities or bad actions of their country is revealed to them. But there is no way that today "you can't know". Same way as there was no way for Germans in the Third Reich to "not know" what they did wrong.

I don't see how this can be changed other than by natural and or outside forces. When you believe you are going to die or not survive, you start changing, because survival is all that you are after, after all.

Those who suffer under destruction of their livelihood by American or other countries attacks and destruction of their livelihood will always hate you for it, deep down and well contained and hidden. You carry the hate inside and you inherit the hate over to the generations. But for their own survival purposes, everyone is willing, if they can flee and have hope to start all over somewhere else, to choose that path and pretend to "forget and forgive" that what had initiated their migration or their personal pains they endured by loosing their community, family, homes and local livelihood. There is then the next denial of the history of events. You are flexible and tell the world that one has to forgive and forget and get along. There you go. Life goes on. No matter how bad and with how much of denial and how many lies promoted.

I guess what I am trying to say is that never expect someone to admit his personal guilt in having been part of wrongdoings of others and never believe that those didn't know about having been part of those wrongdoings. We all know and we all don't like to admit it.

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Wish I could up-vote this comment
more than once.

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over the Christmas weekend. I had too much time on my hand and did as much as nothing with it... Smile

It was not much of an analysis, it just reflects what I have observed throughout my life in people I was close to from all walks of life. It's just basic "blah blah". Nothing more.

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like John Hancock did.

Shahryar

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Did you post it on dkos? If not I don't blame you one bit. I got called a 'barfly with one dairy to my name' and got one flag in a comment yesterday cause I bad mouthed Adam B and twisty lawyers then posted a couple of lawyer jokes. I'm DBAD. I should never have spent all afternoon at dkos as it just riled up my anti-authority tendencies. I have a DBAD attitude. What a waste of anyone's time and mind. I'm giving it up for New Year. I'm really glad I can read you here.

It seems to me that a lot of Americas even so called progressives, on and off line are nationalistic authoritarians who are into believing whatever heinous crimes against humanity the strong arm military junta, the security state, tells them is necessary. A threat to our national 'interests' or barbarians that deserve to be killed tortured and destroyed as they are a threat to western civilization. Perhaps these patriotic violent gung ho war lovers are the ones who hate and fear freedom. They seem to have no problem with the fact that our rule of law and basic human and civil rights are gone daddy gone because they are a tool that is needed to fight the war on terra.

Thanks for this horrifying dairy that tells it like it is and was and apparently always will be unless people somehow wake up and stop giving their consent to this global butchery and destruction.

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On 9/11 when the towers fell as I watched in horror the first thing that came into my mind was uh oh our chickens have finally come home to roost. I think it's a feature not a bug to set the world on fire and create an endless supply of 'terrist's who are gonna kill yer family'. They hate us cause we invade, occupy, torture, bomb, destroy their homelands and kill them.

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liberties, even the lip service to 'em." Second thing was how, frankly, impressed I was at the spectacle created. Third thing was, "I saw this movie and I don't think it's going to end the same way." And fourth was what you're saying.

In no particular order of course, just all jumbled up into one mad ball of "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHHH!"

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb4eZ7Z5yk8]

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"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon

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so we we're close in our reactions. Later that day I ran into a friend at the store and he said this is not going to end well for any of us. My third thought.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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