This Week In Scary Russia

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Another week, another revelation.
This time we have "proof" that Jill Stein is a Putin Puppet via Facebook.

Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein was the beneficiary of at least one of the Russian-bought political ads on Facebook that federal government officials suspect were intended to influence the 2016 election.
Other advertisements paid for by shadowy Russian buyers criticized Hillary Clinton and promoted Donald Trump. Some backed Bernie Sanders and his platform even after his presidential campaign had ended, according to a person with knowledge of the ads.
The pro-Stein ad came late in the political campaign and pushed her candidacy for president, this person said.
...The number of ads bought by Russians on the site is far less than 1 percent of all election spending, and it is unclear how many people even saw the advertisements. The social network has estimated the total cost of the ads at $150,000.

There you go. A fraction of $150,000 destroyed our Democracy. Who knew it was so fragile?

Russia hacked 21 states

The Department of Homeland Security told told election officials in 21 states on Friday that Russian hackers attempted to access their voting systems in the 2016 election.
...But HuffPost and The Associated Press contacted election officials across the country and identified those states. They are: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin.
Election officials in most of those states were quick to note the hackers were unsuccessful. In some states, the suspicious activity amounted merely to seeing if there was a vulnerability in the system. Only Illinois said hackers had successfully accessed voter information, according to AP. DHS has said there’s no evidence any votes, anywhere in the country, were changed by the attempted intrusions.

Or not.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) said Tuesday that it made an error when it notified the state of Wisconsin that Russian hackers scanned the state's voter registration system.

Russia exploited America’s racial division problem in the election, and it hasn’t gotten better

The Washington Post reported Monday that Russia bought more than 3,000 ads on Facebook aimed at capitalizing on racial and other social divides in the United States. Some of the ads supported Black Lives Matter and other groups bringing attention to the tense relationship between law enforcement and people of color. Yet other ads painted these activist organizations as a rising political threat.
“These targeted messages, along with others that have surfaced in recent days, highlight the sophistication of an influence campaign slickly crafted to mimic and infiltrate U.S. political discourse while also seeking to heighten tensions between groups already wary of one another,” The Post reported.

So the solution to our race problems is to get rid of Facebook.

How Russian Voters Fueled the Rise of Germany's Far-Right

While fighting for a seat in the German parliament over the last few months, Sergej Tschernow, a candidate for the right-wing Alternative for Germany, or AfD, knew that he could only rely on a few media outlets to give his party the coverage it craves: the Russian ones.

Or not.

There is meddling in Germany's election — not by Russia, but by U.S. right wing

An alliance of mostly anonymous online trolls and extremist agitators meddled in Germany's election, but researchers said Russians mostly weren't to blame.
Instead, they said, right-wing groups in the United States were behind materials popping up on YouTube, messaging board sites like 4chan and reddit and texting service Gab.ai.

If Russians = Kremlin then does Americans = Trump?

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https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00578997

Contributions from this PAC to federal candidates (list recipients) $0
Contributions to this PAC from individual donors of $200 or more ( list donors) $8,504,436

What the hell is that then?

Man, this shit is old.

Some Russians found out that political advertising greases some skids for money to be made from politics -- sounds like any other for profit actors in our political system.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-pac-spends-dollar1-million-to-corre...

Hillary PAC Spends $1 Million to ‘Correct’ Commenters on Reddit and Facebook:

FEC loopholes mean Correct the Record can openly coordinate with Clinton’s campaign.

Correct the Record’s “Barrier Breakers” project boasts in a press release that it has already “addressed more than 5,000 people that have personally attacked Hillary Clinton on Twitter.” The PAC released this on Thursday.
The PAC was created in May of last year when it was spun off from the American Bridge SuperPAC, which is run by longtime Hillary and Bill Clinton supporter David Brock. Brock also founded the left-wing media watchdog website Media Matters for America.
Some Bernie Sanders-supporting users on Reddit already started to notice the changes on Thursday afternoon.
“This explains why my inbox turned to cancer on Tuesday,” wrote user OKarizee. “Been a member of reddit for almost 4 years and never experienced anything like it. In fact, in all my years on the internet I’ve never experienced anything like it.

Not just fake news, but a flurry of propagandistic and wedge issue attacks. Too bad they were all aimed at the Bernie people; might have had something to do with a lack of progressive turnout... curious strategy.

@k9disc

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

@k9disc Again with these people. You want to know what they’re up to, look at what they’re accusing others of doing.

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Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.

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and Reddit.

@Dr. John Carpenter

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You are so right. Same old same old. Every time, like clockwork. Which I'm beginning to believe they run on...

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@k9disc straight in for the candidate they had pilloried in 2008 always seemed more than a little suspicious to say the least

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@LaFeminista by Camp Clinton. They likely had plenty of trolls out there too.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

Why not release the ads so Americans can learn how to spot "fake news" or "divisive issues"? My suspicion is that the ads will not be leaked because people will ask:

"Are you shitting me?? You mean these ads actually turned the election? or turned people in the Rust Belt states? Gimme a fricking break."
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@MrWebster

Why no leaks of the ads? Potent enough to turn us into zombies?

Why not release the ads so Americans can learn how to spot "fake news" or "divisive issues"? My suspicion is that the ads will not be leaked because people will ask:

"Are you shitting me?? You mean these ads actually turned the election? or turned people in the Rust Belt states? Gimme a fricking break."

Those ads are Blipverts......

[video:https://youtu.be/PJP-Ilw_xaY]

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

@thanatokephaloides This is what your mind looks like on drugs propaganda.

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Well, much of the propaganda now isn't even made of whole cloth, being printed in CIA propaganda rags and all. If any of the facts were visible behind the shadow of dark hints, so would be the Emperor's naked body. And he has nothin'. Laughably so.

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it takes just $100,000 to influence/manage the outcome of an election (see Putin, Vladimir).

The twits that donated $1.something billion to the Clinton 'campaign' really wasted their money.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

@Bollox Ref

Putin's such a good money-manager! Must make all those corporate/political wastrels jealous.

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In 2016 were just shy of $27 billion.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/271258/facebooks-advertising-revenue...
Clearly, based on effectiveness, Western advertisers should hire Putin.

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Orwell: Where's the omelette?

@jim p

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Orwell: Where's the omelette?

@jim p Not only did Putin know that the Rust Belt states were in play when no pollster, pundit, consultant, etc. thought they were in play, he micro-targeted those ads to autoworkers for low six-figures. They even had the effect of suppressing African American voters in Milwaukee and Detroit. Oh, and suppressing union workers in all those states. They made white working class women swoon over Trump and give him their vote.

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@MrWebster Heck, maybe Hillary should've made Putin her campaign manager.

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Ad revenue? I remember reading it in Wired, IIRC. He had to be close to the $100K level, as he made more than that from his own web based marketing.

Maybe they were all dupes or something... I bet you this is Russian 4Chan shit trying to capitalize on Drumpf.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

@k9disc What I remember was quotes saying fake news shit about Bernie did not make them money.

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(Edit: drat aimed this wrong, lol. Although the Macedonian kid's posts are probably lumped in there as one of the 'Russian!!! influence!!!' letters Facebook has been forced to fake up, in the same manner as the Bush Admin tortured people in the hop that they'd make up some false information useful as an excuse to attack a country they planned to attack.)

This absolutely needs to be read in full at source, if at all possible.

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/09/25/wpost-pushes-more-dubious-russia-b...

WPost Pushes More Dubious Russia-bashing
September 25, 2017

Special Report: The Washington Post has published another front-page story about Russia maybe placing some ads on Facebook, but the article violates a host of journalistic principles in hyping its case, reports Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Some people are calling the anti-Russian hysteria being whipped up across the U.S. mainstream news media a new “golden age of American journalism,” although it looks to me more like a new age of yellow journalism, prepping the people for more military spending, more “information warfare” and more actual war. ...

...we are given such travesties of journalism as appeared as a banner headline across the front page of Monday’s Washington Post, another screed about how Russia supposedly used Facebook ads to flip last November’s election for Trump.

The article purports to give the inside story of how Facebook belatedly came to grips with how the “company’s social network played a key role in the U.S. election,” but actually it is a story about how powerful politicians bullied Facebook into coming up with something – anything – to support the narrative of “Russian meddling,” including direct interventions by President Obama and Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and a key legislator regarding regulation of high-tech industries.

Finding the ‘Evidence’

In other words, Facebook was sent back again and again to find what Obama and Warner wanted the social media company to find. Eventually, Facebook turned up $100,000 in ads from 2015 into 2017 that supposedly were traced somehow to Russia. These ads apparently addressed political issues in America although Facebook has said most did not pertain directly to the presidential election and some ads were purchased after the election.

Left out of the Post’s latest opus is what a very small pebble these ads were – even assuming that Russians did toss the $100,000 or so in ad buys into the very large lake of billions of dollars in U.S. political spending for the 2016 election cycle. It also amounts to a miniscule fraction of Facebook’s $27 billion in annual revenue.

So the assertion that this alleged “meddling” – and we’ve yet to see any evidence connecting these ads to the Russian government – “played a key role in the U.S. election” is both silly and outrageous, especially given the risks involved in stoking animosities between nuclear-armed Russia and nuclear-armed America.

Even the Post’s alarmist article briefly acknowledges that it is still unclear who bought the ads, referring to the purchasers as “suspected Russian operatives.” In other words, we don’t even know that the $100,000 in ads over three years came from Russians seeking to influence the U.S. election. (By comparison, many Facebook advertisers – even some small businesses – spend $100,000 per day on their ads, not $100,000 over three years.)

But this diminutive effort by “suspected Russian operatives” doesn’t stop the Post from going on and on about “fake news” and “disinformation,” albeit again without offering evidence or specifics of any Russian “fake news” or “disinformation.”

It has simply become Official Washington’s new groupthink to say that everything linked to Russia or its international TV network RT is “fake news” or “disinformation” even though examples are lacking or often turn out to be false accusations themselves. ...

...So, Facebook initially – after extensive searching – did not find evidence of a Russian operation. Then, after continued pressure from high-level Democrats, Facebook continued to scour its system and again found nothing, or as the Post article acknowledged, Facebook “had searched extensively for evidence of foreign purchases of political advertising but had come up short.”

That prompted Warner to fly out to Silicon Valley to personally press Facebook executives to come up with the evidence to support the Democrats’ theory about Russia paying for carefully targeted anti-Clinton ads in key districts.

The Post’s article reported that “Finally, [Facebook Chief Security Officer Alex] Stamos appealed to Warner for help: If U.S. intelligence agencies had any information about the Russian operation or the troll farms it used to disseminate misinformation, they should share it with Facebook. The company is still waiting, people involved in the matter said.”

Under Pressure

Still, faced with extraordinary pressure from senior Democrats, Facebook finally delivered the desired results, or as the Post reported, “By early August, Facebook had identified more than 3,000 ads addressing social and political issues that ran in the United States between 2015 and 2017 and that appear to have come from accounts associated with the [St. Petersburg, Russia-based] Internet Research Agency.”

So, the ads covering three years, including post-election 2017, only “appear” to be “associated” with some private Russian operation that only allegedly has ties to the Kremlin. And the total sums of the ad buys are infinitesimal compared to what it actually takes to have any real impact on Facebook or in a U.S. presidential election. ...

...What the article also ignores is the extraordinary degree of coercion that such high-level political pressure can put on a company that recognizes its vulnerability to government regulation.

As Facebook has acknowledged in corporate filings, “Action by governments to restrict access to Facebook in their countries could substantially harm our business and financial results. It is possible that governments of one or more countries may seek to censor content available on Facebook in their country, restrict access to Facebook from their country entirely, or impose other restrictions that may affect the accessibility of Facebook in their country for an extended period of time or indefinitely. …

“In the event that access to Facebook is restricted, in whole or in part, in one or more countries or our competitors are able to successfully penetrate geographic markets that we cannot access, our ability to retain or increase our user base and user engagement may be adversely affected, we may not be able to maintain or grow our revenue as anticipated, and our financial results could be adversely affected.”

Avoiding Reality

In other words, another way to have framed this story is that powerful politicians who could severely harm Facebook’s business model were getting in the face of Facebook executives and essentially demanding that they come up with something to support the Democratic Party’s theory of “Russian meddling.” ...

...And, what about the Post’s repeated accusations about Russia engaging in “disinformation” and “fake news” without offering a single example? Apparently, these assertions have become such articles of faith in the U.S. mainstream media that they don’t require any proof.

However, honest journalism demands examples and evidence, not just vague accusations. The reality is that the U.S. government has stumbled again and again when seeking to paint RT as a disinformation outlet or a vehicle for undermining American democracy.

For instance, the Jan. 6 report on alleged Russian “cyber operations,” released by Obama’s Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, included a lengthy appendix, dated from 2012, which decried RT for such offenses as allowing a debate among third-party presidential candidates who had been excluded from the Republican-Democratic debates; covering the Occupy Wall Street protests; and citing the environmental dangers from “fracking.”

The idea that American democracy is threatened by allowing third-party candidates or other American dissidents to have a voice is at best an upside-down understanding of democracy and, more likely, an exercise in hypocritical propaganda.

False Accusations

Another misfired attempt to discredit RT came from Obama’s Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy Richard Stengel, who issued a “Dipnote” in April 2014, which helped establish the narrative of RT as a source of Russian disinformation.

For instance, Stengel claimed that RT reported a “ludicrous assertion” that the United States had spent $5 billion to produce Ukraine’s “regime change” in February 2014.

But what Stengel, a former managing editor of Time magazine, apparently failed to understand was that RT was referring to a public speech by Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland to U.S. and Ukrainian business leaders on Dec. 13, 2013, in which she told them that “we have invested more than $5 billion” in what was needed for Ukraine to achieve its “European aspirations.” In other words, the RT report wasn’t “ludicrous” at all.

Nuland also was a leading proponent of “regime change” in Ukraine who personally cheered on the Maidan demonstrators, even passing out cookies. In an intercepted pre-coup phone call with U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt, Nuland discussed who should run the new government and pondered with Pyatt how to “glue” or “midwife this thing.”

So, Stengel was the one disseminating false information, not RT. ...

...DNI Clapper, himself a hardline Russia-basher, belatedly acknowledged – the Jan. 6 report on the alleged Russian hacking was the work of “hand-picked” analysts from only three agencies, the CIA, FBI and NSA, and the “assessment” itself admitted that it was not asserting the Russian conclusion as fact, only the analysts’ opinion.

The New York Times finally retracted its use of the fake claim about “all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies” in late June 2017 although it wouldn’t let the lie lie, so instead the Times made misleading references to a “consensus” among U.S. intelligence agencies without using the number.

Recent studies by former U.S. intelligence experts have punched more holes in the certainty by raising doubts that the email downloads could have been accomplished over the Internet at the recorded speeds and more likely were achieved by an insider downloading onto a thumb drive.

Deciding What’s Real

So who is guilty of “fake news” and “disinformation”? ...

...Yet, what is perhaps most insidious about what we are seeing is that – in the name of defending democracy – the U.S. mainstream media is trampling a chief principle of the Enlightenment, the belief that the marketplace of ideas is the best way to determine the truth and to create an informed populace.

The new U.S. mainstream media paradigm is that only establishment-approved views can be expressed; everything else must be suppressed, purged and punished.

For instance, if you question the State Department’s narrative on alleged Syrian government sarin attacks – by noting contrary evidence that points to staged incidents by Al Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate – you are called an “apologist” for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

If you question the one-sided State Department narrative regarding the Ukraine coup in 2014 – indeed even if you use the word “coup” – you are denounced as a “Kremlin stooge.”

No ‘Other’ Side

It is now not okay to even consider the other side of these stories, just as it was anathema to suggest that Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi government may have been telling the truth in 2002-03 when it declared repeatedly that it had destroyed its WMDs. That made you a “Saddam apologist.” ...

...In another front-page Post story, Timberg allowed an anonymous group called PropOrNot to malign the professionalism and patriotism of 200 Web sites, including our own Consortiumnews, that were lumped together in a McCarthyistic smear that they were somehow guilty of disseminating “Russian propaganda.”

The unnamed accusers – granted anonymity by the Post – acknowledged that they had no evidence that the sites were part of some grand Russian conspiracy but made the judgment based on PropOrNot’s analysis of the Web sites’ content.

In other words, if you questioned the State Department’s narratives on Ukraine or Syria – regardless of how well-supported those critiques were – you got smeared as a “Russian propagandist” – and the Post, which didn’t even bother to contact the accused, considered that sort of analysis to be worthy of its front page.

The story fed into another frenzy about the need to use algorithms and artificial intelligence to hunt down and suppress or purge such dissenting views from the Internet, supposedly to protect the sanctity of American democracy and spare Americans from exposure to “fake news.”

So, well-meaning Americans who may hope that Russia-gate will somehow bring down Trump are getting recruited into a movement that intends to silence dissent and allow the U.S. establishment to dictate what information you will get to see and hear.

And that officially approved “information” will surely lead to new global tensions, more military spending. and additional warfare up to and possibly including nuclear war with Russia.

Investigative reporter Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories for The Associated Press and Newsweek in the 1980s. You can buy his latest book, America’s Stolen Narrative, either in print here or as an e-book (from Amazon and barnesandnoble.com).

And now they say they've worked it all the way up to $150,000 purportedly 'Russian!!! influence!!!' ads? I dunno, Zuckerberg, is this really worth-while? If I were you, I'd be happy with the billions I'd already have and start working on that luxury shelter you'll need when these unrelated ads are worked into an excuse for global nuclear destruction and make damn sure that your own future airless roasting-pan hide-away is comfortable for as long as possible.

Edited to remove a caption that got copied in, unnoticed.

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Trump's Russian birth certificate?

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Orwell: Where's the omelette?

@jim p

Taking the ubiquitous Super-Putin we've been hearing about as an example of Russian capacities making the US PTB and their lackeys look even stupider - and more incompetent money-managers - by contrast, Trump can't be more than half-Russian or he'd be a full-wit.

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They also moved up the expiration date somehow. They also siphon gas out of my car at night.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

@dervish
literally everywhere now... Never mind the refrigerator, they have even penetrated our very inboxes! No place on earth is safe from their noxious influence any longer. They've come a long way since they used to be just the Antichrist.

Fortunately, our Department of Homeland Security and The Washington Post are there to make sure we remain ever-vigilant.

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They don't poop in the hallway here, but they often do in the yard, when I let the dog out.

Verrrrry sneaky, these Russians!

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That movie poster... Is that drawn by the great Harvey Kurtzman? It looks like his kind of work.

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...then you need to follow Breaking news on Paul Horner's death yesterday. Cause unknown.

It's written up in the New York Times and Washington Post, but I think his hometown newspaper in Phoenix, AZ covers it best.

Horner is a stand-up comic — but by day, he is an internationally famous Fake News writer. Horner feared he may have single-handedly caused Hillary to lose the election, which was not his intention. Now, he's dead.

I decided to dig a little deeper and I read the transcript of a Q and A on his life in Fake News on Reddit that he posted seven months ago. He actually is a very funny guy. Here's part of his introduction:

Hi! My name is Paul Horner. Up until a few months ago, my work of six years has been called hoaxes, satire and online pranks. Within the last few months I am now lumped in with everything that involves this evil word called "fake news." I have done hundreds of interviews about my work in the last six years. Recent interviews of mine include, Channel 4, Vice News and Rolling Stone. Along with writing "fake news", real news, and humor for a living, I do standup comedy, throw shows, I'm an artist, I run a Facebook page with over 50,000 followers about a dolphin named Fappy that goes around the country speaking to children about the dangers and consequences of masturbation, and I'll be speaking at the European Parliament on March 8th for a conference called "Fake News as Reality Shapers".

Horner earned thousands of dollars monthly for his fake news efforts. He also ran a non-profit that hands out clean socks to the homeless. Among his many accomplishments, he lists these:

• I’m #1 on this list of possible candidates behind graffiti artist Banksy’s true identity and a drink is named after me because of it.

• A story I wrote about Twitter deleting Donald Trump's Twitter account was shared 300,000 times on Facebook. 95% of the story mocks Trump and his supporters with links to back up that information.

• My story about a Donald Trump protester being paid $3,500 has been shared on Facebook over a million times, and reshared millions of times on other forms of media.

• I destroyed a racist, redneck town who threatened to kill me. They almost put out a warrant for my arrest after all the stories I wrote that mocked them.

• A fun Google search is "Paul Horner biggest penis in the world", proving that indeed I do have the biggest penis in the world. (Fun with SEO)

• Ask me anything!

The Reddit piece is pretty amusing if you have time to kill. No pun intended.

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supporting Black Lived Matter and also against BLM? And they targeted the audience so that only racists would see the pro BLM ads and only anti racists would see the anti BLM ads - and think that both were run by Hillary? That's pretty sophisticated, almost as sophisticated as sabotaging the voter registration of millions of Democrats - all of them Bernie supporters.

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@doh1304 Yah, the FB release says:

Rather, the ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum — touching on topics from LGBT matters to race issues to immigration to gun rights

So yah, that spectrum could include both pro and anti-BLM ads. And of course, they instantly changed the choices the targeted voters would eventually make. That anybody reading those ads would be instantly turned into a Putin lovin' zombie. Such is the power of Putin.

But there could be an interesting implication here. The deep state actors may be realizing that the direct collusion story will die as Trump is fully on-board with neocon policies toward Russia. So the idea now is to hype Russia as the Satanic force undermining America outside of the Trump administration which as Hillary might say, has come under heel.

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MSNBC and their ilk are dangerously close to being the "All 2016 Election, ALL THE TIME!" channel.

Seriously, it's like the History Channel, and all Hitler, all the time... until they started making rednecks think they too could be famous.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

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Seriously, it's like the History Channel, and all Hitler, all the time... until they started making rednecks think they too could be famous.

Actually, the Hitler Channel was Discovery's Military Channel (today's AHC).

And "all Hitler all the time" was still more history than the "History" Channel does ever since they embraced the effing rednecks. I'm sorry, but Pawn Stars, Ice Road Truckers, American [Nose] Pickers, and Duck Die Nasty are not history!

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

Of problems. Or so I assume because I sure hear a lot of grown adults engaged in Facebook drama like the teenagers I used to work with. Lol.

Ok, smarties, explain how this $150,000 of Ruskie Facebook advertising got me to vote Sanders in the primaries, Stein in the general when I don’t use Facebook. Not to mention, I knew I would never vote for Her about the time Bill’s second term was wrapping up. Did they invent time travel and brainwash me then?

Great comments in this thread. This Russia business is past pathetic at this point. An elementary school debate team could destroy the arguments TPTB are making over this.

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...Did they invent time travel and brainwash me then? ...

My god, these Russians will stop at nothing! They have time travel! What will this do to the fossil fuel corporations!

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@Dr. John Carpenter The hysteria caused by the FB crap is just bizarre. I guess all hysterias one way or another are amazing. So it seems that the Russians put forward pro and anti ads on various issues including on BLM. Do these people realize that in this accusatory Russian conspiracy world that they just made those supporting BLM Putin puppets.

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To blow all that money only to be toppled by stupid ads on a social platform seems like the most incompetent campaign ever. I remember looking forward to Obama's "Russian Reset" campaign promise that turned into a stupid pissing contest. I've met quite a few Russians over the years and find them just as funny, foolish, stupid, greedy, passionate and patriotic as we are. We should be best friends but the elites won't be having any of that.

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Since Hillary was said to be the most-vetted candidate ever and all, I'm thinking that maybe Her lost because of behavioral changes due to different reactions to drugs among species and that perhaps they should have taken her to a doctor after all?

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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We are spinning the wheels, people. I am frustrated by doing that on my own!

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

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Israel goes directly to congress members and threatens their election/re-election ambitions and tells them that if they aren't going to vote to protect Israel's interests, they can kiss their political careers goodbye.
Funny how no one in the DP or their sycophants talks about how Israel not only interferes with our elections, they also interfere with our foreign policies.
I make this comment on Facebook every time I see someone writing about this Russian propaganda bullshit

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

Voting is like driving with a toy steering wheel.

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They're scared of the Israelis - they get American tax-payer gifts of billions in US weaponry, after all. And the Likud are just like them.

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Governor Jerry Brown signed a bill to move CA's 2020 primary to March 3rd of that year:

"We have a greater responsibility and a greater role to promote a different sort of agenda at the national level," said state Sen. Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens), the author of the bill. "We need to have a greater influence at the national level."

The new law also moves California's congressional and legislative primaries to March, a change which some have suggested could make it difficult for challengers to raise money and quickly put together a credible campaign for challenging established incumbents.

Under current projections, California's primary would come fifth in the presidential nominating process in 2020 — following caucuses in Iowa and Nevada and primaries in New Hampshire and South Carolina. Lara said he realizes that the Democratic National Committee may not like the state moving its election up to the early slot, but that he hopes party officials will work with California officials over the next few years to accommodate the change.

"California's role has clearly changed," he said.

California first tried the March primary in 1996. But by election day, 27 states had already held their own presidential primary or caucus, passing over California – one of the most expensive places to buy political advertising time in the nation.

The state’s most successful early presidential primary was in February 2008, when 57.7% of registered voters turned out in a race won by Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican John McCain. That was the highest voter turnout for a California presidential primary since 1980. But even then, enough states had already voted that the relative impact of the early election was small.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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Cool, make it even harder for any of those nasty Progressives with volunteer public-funding only to win there! That ought to make America even grater than it already is, and much easier to skin those voters.

Edit: dear FSM, does Her really think Her can plausibly win anywhere after this, even with Homeland Security auto-rigging under Top Secret National Security cover for all electoral information? And censorship restricting us all to 'legalized' propaganda? Not that we'd suffer long. One no-fly zone in the right place, some Russian planes shot down and - boom! A special place for hell for everyone on Earth.

Edited for those reserving a place in hell with anyone else prone to letter typos.

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brainwashed BernieBros and The Left into buying the RW horse$h!t that Hillary was a crook, was a terrible candidate, and that is That! If not for Russia brainwashing dim witted BernieBros and even dimmer witted progressives Her would have won!! Her would have won!

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Hillarious. Not.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3173032/cybercrime-hacking/indiana...

Security Is Sexy

By Darlene Storm, Computerworld | Feb 22, 2017

Indiana joins Idaho in claiming DHS tried to hack their election systems
Indiana claims DHS scanned the state's electoral system tens of thousands of times without permission.

Indiana is the newest state to accuse the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) of trying to hack its state electoral system.

The state’s IT team claimed that a DHS IP address repeatedly scanned Indiana’s system. The attempted hacks occurred tens of thousands of times over a period of 46 days, beginning while Vice President Mike Pence was still the governor of Indiana.

“We know that between November 1 and December 16, we were scanned with about 14,800 scans, nearly 15,000 different times,” DHS Indiana Secretary of State Connie Lawson told The Daily Caller.

Like Georgia, Indiana did not give DHS permission to scan.

Thomas Vessely, IT director for the Indiana secretary of state, told TheDCNF that “we kindly declined [DHS] assistance because we were very comfortable in the work we were doing in monitoring our election system.”

So why did DHS allegedly go for it anyway?

Lawson said she “always assumed it was because I was the incoming President of the National Association of Secretaries of State and because we declined their assistance.”

Georgia also declined “help” from DHS regarding its election system. Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp believes DHS may have been trying to intimidate him with the scans before he publicly opposed election systems being labeled as “critical infrastructure” by the Obama administration. ...

... Idaho: Hey, DHS tried to hack our election website, too!

Indiana isn’t alone with such recent DHS hacking claims as Idaho Secretary of State Lawerence Denney said he believes DHS may have attempted to hack its state election website around Nov. 8. It wasn’t a Russian IP address mucking around in the state’s affairs, but an IP address belonging to DHS, he said.

When Idaho “looked at IP addresses that tried to get into our system,” it didn’t find “a single IP address from a foreign country,” but one from “our own Department of Homeland Security.” ...

... Denney expressed frustration that DHS conducted penetration tests without any warning or permission, adding that other secretaries of state across the country are also really concerned about what the election system designation of critical infrastructure will mean in the long run. ...

... Similar hacking accusations by states that gave DHS permission to probe

After Georgia accused DHS of trying to hack its computer network and voter registration database, and DHS denied it, West Virginia Secretary of State-Elect Mac Warner accused DHS of attempting to hack West Virginia election records too, just as agency had allegedly tried to hack Kentucky's.

Kentucky later claimed the alleged DHS IP address did not access “public voter information and online voter registration websites.” Kentucky had granted DHS permission to conduct regular scans and concluded the “IP address made no attempt to scan, attack, or infiltrate our system and that the visits appeared to be regular web traffic.”

Warner’s claims about the West Virginia election records hack by DHS were disputed by then Secretary of State Natalie Tennant. Unlike Georgia, Indiana and Idaho, Tennant said West Virginia did grant DHS permission to do a “cyber-hygiene scan prior to the election.”

Tennant said Warner’s statements about the DHS hack were false. “The IP address did not access anything of concern and after discussions with DHS about our specific traffic here in West Virginia, we have no indication at this time that the visits were malicious.”

Wait some months and then apparently claim that their attempts were actually made by 'Russian!!! Hackers!!!', rather like the claim brought by pressure on Facebook to provide some excuse that some Facebook ads not even proven to be related to any government official or related to the election were Words of Mass Destruction worthy of a good nuking exchange...

The Bush Admin had people tortured to say anything that might be used to form an excuse for attacking another country, knowing full well that people will make up anything to make the pain stop, that being why torture is worthless for gaining information and only good for getting psychopaths off.

And Dick Cheney is mentoring Vice President Pence, who wants to model his Vice on Cheney's.

Yeah, these guys appointed to Homeland Security totally should be trusted with National Security and take-over of control of all electoral infrastructure and of deciding to attack other people's countries to take their stuff based on total bullshit...

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California says election systems weren't targeted by hackers after all

Padilla, a Democrat, says Californians can rest assured that the state's elections infrastructure was not hacked or breached by the Russians.

Whew! Good thing he didn't spread that vicious propaganda far and wide before he actually knew wtf was real.

Last Saturday HEADLINES at the state capitol: Russians scanned California election systems in 2016, state officials learn

“However, recognizing that state and local officials should be kept informed about cybersecurity risks to election infrastructure, we are working with them to refine our processes for sharing this information while protecting the integrity of investigations and the confidentiality of system owners,” spokesman Scott McConnell said. “We will continue to keep this information confidential and defer to each state whether it wishes to make it public or not.

Padilla is one broken Clinton tool, bottom of the cesspool. Still stunned how corrupt the Ds are, right in our faces. Fuck the poor, let them die on the streets in agony while the rich and middle class bitch about Russian enemies.

That is the California the Browns and their ilk (Arnie) have wrought. The most corrupt bunch of Ds and Rs to ever live since 1917 at least, when my grandpa was here. He worked for Hiram Johnson before becoming a judge, was a Teddy Roosevelt Republican > Progressive.

These days remind me of the HyperNormalisation documentary, how the Soviets were constantly told on TV everything was great (like the Hollywood Tube does), right up until it all collapsed. That is the California the Browns have wrought, in my view. Fuck them and their ancestors too. Greedy bastards.

"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown." Until a pitch fork comes poking ... Hungry? Eat the rich!

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on this topic. Basically our government is in the business of deciding what you and I should be able to see. Anyone remember the "Countering Propaganda Act" passed and encouraged by Barack Obama? I remember writing about it over at DKos... of course it fell on very deaf ears. Now we see the results of Obama's gift.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the-push-to-fight-foreign-propaganda-...

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It still burns.

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There was a facebook ad buy originating from various locations in Russia totaling about $150k. There's no solid information about whether this ad buy was instigated by the Kremlin but it certainly doesn't appear to be orchestrated by anyone since that $150k was split between

  • Negative ads about Hillary Clinton
  • Positive ads about Donald Trump
  • Positive ads about Jill Stein
  • Positive ads about Black Lives Matter
  • Negative ads about Black Lives Matter

Sure, if one squints one might say that collectively they were promoting divisiveness. But then again, one might also just look at them as a bunch of independent viewpoints.... you know... politics. Insofar as why they originate from Russia, it's the internet. Without more information an IP address doesn't tell you anything about the originator. I personally operate servers in Russia. Traffic from those servers would be "Russian traffic". The content is not political and I'm certainly not a Russian.

Finally, one might note the balance against Hillary. Assuming these were actual Russians placing those ads, is that any surprise? Hillary wants war with Russia. I'd be fairly negative about her also if the bombs were going to be dropping in my neighborhood. Oh wait... war with Russia means that the bombs probably WILL be dropping in my neighborhood. Go figure.

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have previously asserted that the Russians did not do it and American intelligence was... how to say this diplomatically... making stuff up.

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