Vote Shaming
I don't have to explain to anyone here about the various versions of intimidation this season trying to beat progressives and other (let's call us) 'skeptical' liberals into voting for Clinton over our objections. "TRUMP!" is bullhorned into our ears, and now, in addition to all the racism and and various other-izing, now we have to listen to an assortment of sexual vulgarities.
I believe the majority of us on this site are in agreement on this: what Trump represents -and who he is- is an extremely dangerous abomination. He must not be handed the keys to the country.
But those of us who supported Bernie worked for a candidate who handily beat Trump in every poll published (Bernie also beat any of the other Republicans who hung on until late in their primary race). If the point were really to keep Trump from being elected, then Bernie as nominee was the way to ensure that result. You still want Trump to not win? Talk to me about putting Bernie on the ballot. As far as I'm concerned, I gave at the office: I have already done my part to keep Trump from putting his name in gilded letters on the front of the White House. I'll be glad to drop what I'm doing and re-take up that level of effort should Bernie be swapped in on the ballots (and yes, I do have a very clear sense of the impracticalities of doing just that... I'm just sayin').
'Where else are we going to go?' they ask. Voting for Jill is pointless, they say - the only way to combat Trump is to stand in front of the on-coming train, vote for Clinton and let it run us over. Voting for Jill is an expression of privilege, they claim, in an effort to rub salt in the opened sores of shame they are attempting to inflict.
For myself, I cannot own what is to come in a second Clinton Administration as I would by being intimidated into giving her my vote. I will not absolve her of the lying and cheating and stealing we saw in the primary and is likely continuing out of sight (thank you, Wikileaks, for bringing so much we guessed about to light).
Some of the folks who have been most vociferous about pressuring progressives to be brought to heel are those who supported Bernie in the primary and have internalized the guilt slung in their direction by those applying whatever pressure they think will work (thank you, Corrupt the Record, for your assiduous 'research' into what will sway the most stubborn holdouts).
It will be our fault, we are told, if Trump ascends the presidency. (No, I supported the candidate who clearly beats Trump in a match-up, it's the fault of those who over-ran the Sanders candidacy to run a candidate whose unfavorability is nearly equal to Trump's.) How will we feel if a potential mini-Hitler is sworn-in?
For me, the only appropriate response to attempts to shame us for our resistance is to ask those who have abandoned ship by jumping into the Clinton sea how will they feel if the following things come to pass under a Clinton presidency, things they will have condoned by casting their vote for her:
How will they feel if the U.S. begins its next war in the first 100 days?
How will they feel if/when Social Security is privatized?
How will they feel when TPP goes into effect?
How will they feel as climate change accelerates as we continue to fail to address it adequately?
How will they feel when Obamacare finally fails (since it's missing the only thing which would have kept it afloat, the public option)?
How will they feel when Clinton invites the R's more formally to limit late-term abortion?
How will they feel if/when Social Security is privatized?
How will they feel when TPP goes into effect?
How will they feel as climate change accelerates as we continue to fail to address it adequately?
How will they feel when Obamacare finally fails (since it's missing the only thing which would have kept it afloat, the public option)?
How will they feel when Clinton invites the R's more formally to limit late-term abortion?
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One of hallmarks of the Bill Clinton presidency is that he was able to put societal restrictions in place which conservatives only salivated about.
The level of self-dealing/self-justification and (to my mind) sociopathy is so deep for Hillary that she fought tooth and nail to keep from cancelling a paying gig for Bill just days after she was to announce her run for the presidency - she apparently didn't want that morsel of cash to be withheld from her. (I had seen another version of this story earlier, but this is a similar one. Clinton, apparently, was loathe to lose the speaking fee by canceling. Podesta emails, "I recognize the sacrifice and dissapointment (sic) that cancelling will create, but it's a very consequential unforced error and could plague us in stories for months." link
Feel free to help shape the HOW WILL THEY FEEL list below.
Comments
Most will consider it an added excersise
in rationalization/justification as they have done all along. That majority will stick to their stupidity. They have no choice. Too much ego involved. Does a life long evangelical ever admit after some kind of epiphany that there is no such thing as a virgin birth or resurrections? Most likely they would implode.
Those who aren't so stupid? What can one do? Hope that they learn?
However, when all the things that you speak of come to pass, and they will, I'll be over spreading shit at TOP like nobody's business. That is, if it still exists.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Voting is an expression of privilege?
My bullshit meter screams loudly when I hear that phrase. That is fucking Hillbot language. Voting is a right, not a privilege. All adult U.S. citizens (except felons) are entitled to vote. This is according to the U.S. Constitution. I am going to exercise my right to vote and Vote for Jill.
It's getting deafening out there.
There was a letter in the local rag a while ago (Minneapolis StarTribune), guilting and shaming Bernie/Stein voters about the disunity surrounding the '68 election; Johnson, Humphrey, McCarthy, Vietnam, etc., etc., the result being Nixon, and I'm thinking 'we've already got Nixon, her name is Clinton'.
Here in a very blue part of a very blue state, I've seen one Clinton/Kaine 1984* lawn sign.
Can I just say thanks to JtC, Joe and the rest for this site. It's keeping me sane.
*Care of Dr. NotHenryKissinger
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Nixxon (it's just the same old gas)
Don't insult Richard III Nixon like that. If Hillary had been President in 1973, we'd still be fighting the Vietnam War today.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Hillary/NotMichaelCaine 84....Putin War Into Neverending.
Making glorious summer our winter of radiating discontent.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Oh, and I should note that the StarTribune
had a desperately sad story attempting to make Clinton seem likeable: that she shared a joke with Al Franken (Senator, D-Pointless) some twenty years ago.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
At whose expense?
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
No idea
I stopped reading after 'Franken and Clinton shared a joke 20 years ago............'.
Pure bilge. I imagine Franken's numbers are higher than Clinton's in the state, so......... likeability by association.
The StarTrib is a very pompous paper (they called for Trump to stand down............ as if Trump cares what some paper in Mpls says). They're desperate for a Clinton win.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
expense
Ours.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Adding my thanks to JtC, Joe, GulfGal98
As I believe it's still illegal to throw molotov cocktails, and wouldn't know how to make one, planning on voting for Trump. With RAGE. The rage is what's left of the energy I expended to support Jane and Bernie Sanders.
Don't know why so many seem to be listening to the BS Trump spouts, it's an act, think he's much less dangerous than the Klintons. Hope the strategy many I know are following will bust up the Republicans, take the Democratic party out of the Klutches of the Klintons and the DLC. Maybe some of Klinton sycophants will lose their places, power, and try getting a real job.
Grateful for low blood pressure medicine when i watched this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY
I know how to make them. ;)
I am law abiding too, so won't be making or throwing any, what with the arthritis and fear of prison. The rage is still burning, though.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
My vote for Jill is to help her get 5% so Greens can get
matching funds in the future.
And it's also so I don't have to hate myself for supporting the evil of two lessers.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Nixon was better than Hillary will be.
For just one thing, Nixon had a Democratic Congress and it was not all New Democrats. For another, Eisenhower/Nixon were very mindful of what the New Deal and Fair Deal had done for Democrats all up and down the ticket--and what that had done to their party. As the first Republican administration in 20 years, they knew they'd kill their party if they tried returning to Hooverism.
Hillary will be able to join forces with Republicans--if they let her--because she is one. And they will probably let her because Trump has thrown their party on the shoals. They have to proceed gingerly now.
hoobert heeverism
Oh, you mean like what the so-called "Democrats" under Clintons kept trying -- and will continue trying if ever put back into power!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
How will they feel
How will they feel when their online freedom is trimmed down to Hillary approved sites, and their comments are restricted like at TOP?
I seriously think Bernie's social media storm scared the poop out of her and she wants to keep anything like that from ever happening again.
As Obama says, only sites which pass “basic truthiness tests”
can expect to get the government nod if Hillary becomes Curator-in-Chief.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-decries-wild-west-media-landscape-21464...
Flooding the media with government shills pushing approved narratives was close Obama associate Cass Sunstein’s idea too.
Ugh, thanks lotlizard =( n/t
I Can't Believe He Used "Truthiness". That's Supposed to Be
a pejorative.
Reality laps irony and sarcasm again. Social Literacy is dead.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Mon, 10/17/2016 - 2:59pm —
Mon, 10/17/2016 - 2:59pm — k9disc
Unintentional accuracy...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Look to the EU next month potential model of exterme censorship
From the link below:
"EU parliamentarians have voted in favor of bolstering institutional capacities to counter "Kremlin-inspired propaganda." But Russian media representatives criticized the move as an attack on freedom of speech.
http://www.dw.com/en/divide-europe-european-lawmakers-warn-of-russian-pr...
Basically the EU parliamentarians have voted to counter "Russian propaganda". From reading other sources, not clear who this will be done. But looks like proposals seem to the table to not let Russian media use any satellite feeds, and a mass blockage of Russian websites. The justification is that the Russians are undermining Western values, which now apparently don't include freedom of speech.
This will be unprecedented, but also establish a precedent for "Western democracies" to squash any web presence they don't like, and use the excuse it was disseminating Russian propaganda. In Europe EU leaders are blaming a good number of social ills in their countries on Russian "weaponizing" the social problem or causing it. For example, Russians are being blamed for the refugee crisis. The Poles accused Putin of sponsoring the ISIS inspired terror attacks in France. You name it.
And it has just started here in the United States. Hillary has accused Putin of sponsoring anti-fracking groups. NYTimes reporters have made accusations that the anti-TPP movement was started up and pushed by Putin (this was not by anti-Russian opinion columnists but by "reporters").
Let us say that that some shooting air war between the US and Russia happens in Syria. Anti-war groups rise up and use social media and internet sites for organizing. Hillary looks to the EU and says she will follow their lead and have the NSA close down American anti-war sites because they are being funded by Putin. No proof needed of course--the accusation is enough. I can easily see this site going down due to the general anti-war sentiment and then some accusation that gjohnsit is being paid directly by Putin. If bobswern posts here again, the site is certainly a goner.
Since when has the EU gone batshit crazy?/nt
I dunno, 1993?
Just a guess...
Brexit
Some folks decided they didn't want to play with the EU any more.
Since Deutschbank Went All Weak in the Knees? nt
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Deutschbank groined too many
Deutschbank groined too many laws with those knees...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
The TPP corporate coup is
The TPP corporate coup is about to be shoved through and Jill Stein is the only one who won't support it.
Once corporations are making law in all involved countries, we're fucked.
Youtube is already demonetizing sites their corporate advertisers don't like; a strong and immediate boycott response could have forestalled this, but nobody else, even here, seemed interested, not even to save the internet.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
They'll probably love that one!
I had the audacity to suggest Over There today that demonizing Putin might not be a good strategy and immediately had five - 5! - negative comments in response. Considering that my positive comments usually have about 2 recs, that's a lot of people waiting to pounce! And I was trying to post a helpful comment. Not sufficiently Clinton worshipful, apparently.
I don't know, I still think the majority are more paid to support her than genuinely support her. But if only the TOPs of the world exist any more, and those who would speak up get banned, that would make their jobs of censorship easier.
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You got it elenacarlena
It is amazing five negative comments on what is basically an objective non-partisan comment?!? I decided to leave TOP in commenting on diary that said Trump will go nuclear that there were neocons in both the Pentagon and State who were talking as if we could win a nuclear war. I really don't understand the rating system there, but apparently my comment which was like two sentences was rated as inappropriate.
But your post made me realize something. The Clinton administration would not have to come down and say take this site off the interne tusing the FBI or NSA.. Rather, they could go the Wikileaks route and say put pressure on VISA, etc not to accept donations. Or pressure the internet hosting company to cancel c99's contract to use servers, etrc.
The Other Place has a Hillbot infestation, I believe.
A discussion of issues used to be what they were about. Kos has said anything that tears down Clinton is forbidden, but anything that could make her a better candidate is fine (and presumably he will say after the election that anything that could make her a better President is fine). Of course to make someone better, you have to criticize them constructively.
But the Hillbots automatically flag anything the least bit critical, which can range from constructive criticism to tearing her down. Then the automatic actual robots warn, time out, or ban on the basis of flags. I think they're ruining that site, but Kos is letting them.
Anyway, given that you violated no actual written site rules (assuming you kept it to the neocons and didn't diss Hill), if you were banned, you could take it to Moderation at the Help Desk and ask to be reinstated. If you were less than banned, I would shrug it off, save the fight for a future comment if one does inappropriately get you banned.
Of course what Kos writes as the site rules and what he decides to do in the future may be two different things, but challenges will force him to come out with definitive statements. Here's his latest statement (DKos link): http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/08/15/1560484/-The-new-updated-and-im...
They violated it in my case and it sounds like they probably did in yours. So what happens in the comments is no longer the official rating system, but Hillbots being Hillbots. If you want to challenge it, you can refer to anything Kos said in the above link to do so. Be sure to post it in Moderation, a private thread at the Help Desk. They hate it when people try to stir up controversy publicly at the Help Desk.
Of course, you may not worry about it because you've decided not to go there any more at all, which of course is fine. Just know you have options. In my case, to be there for apolitical issues and community stuff, I mostly don't post in political threads or try hard to post only innocuous comments (which apparently means not even the friendliest of Clinton criticism!).
Anyway, the neocons who think a nuclear war is winnable would make an interesting and important post, if you have time to flesh it out into a diary with appropriate references, posted here. I would be interested in reading that. If She wins the election, it might even be important to start a group here - "War and Rumors of War" or something - to post about the latest war propaganda (if She is really going to do this, there will undoubtedly be plentiful propaganda first) and how best to refute it, keeping those essays together in one spot to be easily accessed. Even if we aren't part of electing her, we will have to be part of trying to hold her feet to the first, I think.
Ugh, what a prospect. Here's hoping Jill's support comes out in force on election day!
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TOP's rating system
Read Lord of the Flies by William Golding. It'll give you a pretty good idea.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I found out today my son is voting for Trump
The only good news (other than I forgive him this time) is that he is in Texas. I had a heart episode after that (no kidding, one SVT, self-converted finally).
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Oh, dear -
Do take good care as your body recalibrates (((riverlover)))
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
My parents are voting for Trump too, riverlover
Mom and stepdad. We're all in Texas. They own the land I live on, and there's a Trump sign at the end of my dirt road where it meets the highway.
It'll be okay, riverlover. Just stay calm and take it easy! We need you around here.
Wanna hear something funny about my mom and her support for Trump? I might have posted about it already, but here:
Back when Pokemon Go first came out, Mom had her teenage helper place the following on both sides of the lighted sign at the end of my road:
TRUMP THE BITCH.
I was so embarrassed that I talked my teen son into changing it. We brainstormed about what we could say with the existing letters. I advised he'd have to do it after dark and hide from passing cars. The next morning I noticed it said something I certainly hadn't come up with:
HUMP THE BUTT
(the other side just said BITCH)
She still doesn't know who did it. I blamed it on roaming Pokemon Go players. She took it down, and only recently replaced it with simply, TRUMP.
Hang in there, and take care of yourself. We'll get through this!
You made me laugh! All is fine now.
I know how to convert SVT, done it before, did not have to go to ice on the face. It's only happened out once, unfortunately at the gym. My RN daughter did her bi-annual advanced life support training yesterday and told me that the old adenosine shock to the bloodstream, making an SVT heart reset, can stop the heart for more than one minute. You betcha I'll self-convert!
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My goodness! Do take care.
Do you understand why your son will vote Trump? Or is that a conversation for another day?
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Another day. He knows I am voting Stein.
I will question him next week. His office moved this week, that and his job hunting was enough for today.
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Flutter was my specialty
I usually find a capsule of calcium -- 150 mg or so -- helps fairly quickly, and non-expensively.
Well, on the upside you can take solace in the fact that he is
not voting for Hillary I guess.
At least he is choosing the LOTE's, lol!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Turnabout is fair play.
I will remind them of their vote for the next four years.
It's a small town.
I don't care.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Lemme see if this one goes through
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154616560576950&set=p.10154616...
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According to The Intercept
Hillary is already planning a big tax holiday for multinationals. At our expense!
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/15/d-c-hivemind-mulls-how-clinton-can-p...
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
Whoopee! Is that before or after repatriation of $$ held
outside the US tax man's eyes by Hill and Bill and a whole lots of companies (hello, Apple!)?
Pouring outside now.
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That's worthy of going on the list... n/t
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
I forgot to mention
I forgot to mention that Hillary's private position on the repatriation of taxable income by multinational corporations is almost identical to Trump’s position.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
I have yet to see a convincing argument from a Clinton supporter
in favour of voting for her that is actually about her record and not "BUT DONALD TRUMP! AAAAA!!!" What's the case for Omnishambles Clinton on her own merits, I've asked. What does she offer that is so much better than Trump, I've pressed. How do her actions square with the vague platform items on her website, I've wondered. Her supporters are not very good on any of those questions. It boils down to she will be the first female president, she was a Secretary of State, or she is not overtly socially offensive. I mean, come on, my cat fits two of the three criteria.
she cares about kids
she feels that they should be able to grow up to be what they want to be unless they live in certain areas of the world.
I forgot all about the kids!
Shahryar, your comment cracked me up. I'll add that she cares about kids but not about the planet they live on; she cares about kids but not about how their parents will support them on $11 an hour; this could go on forever. It all makes me suspicious that maybe by "kids" she means "Hillary Clinton."
yet another teeny-tiny tweak
There we go!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Unless she is defending their rapist.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
If your cat would agree to debate Jill
I'd keep an open mind about whom to vote for... two outta three is pretty spectacular this year.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
My cat is Canadian, so she is ineligible.
Plus she's a biter, that would work against her in some corners.
Can I introduce her to my dog?
She is cat-tolerant, and only bites humans, mostly me.
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Those biters are just so darn cute, eh?
And yes, my cat is looking for a few good comrades to help her take over the world!
The kitten brought to me when he was abandoned
is in a CHEWING! phase.
Gawd, I hope it's just a phase!
I got him mini dog chews which work for a couple seconds at a time.
When he's not chewing, he's a total love. I love him, but I would not entrust him with running the nation at this time.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
I’d elect a cat — I’m no species-ist or homo sapiens supremacist
This cat can surf and swim in the ocean, although having only one eye.
This cat served as stationmaster for a railroad.
This cat has been Mayor
of Talkeetna Alaska for the last 19 years: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cat-mayor-alaska-town-15-years-...
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Lol, Le Frog's cat for president!
I've been hearing the non cable "news" report that she is qualified. Sorry, the most qualified, so it must be true. Since more than one local station has said it, then it's certainly not a talking point. No way!
Her polls have her beating Trump. (We all, here at least, know how they skew those by selectively leaving out entire demographics.)
Also, she's a champion for women and girls.
*Sorry, I just threw up in my mouth*
You have more patience than I. Good on you!
I see it as incremental improvement at best, versus not only
not improving but backsliding. But that's not "so much better" than Trump. It's ever so slightly better. Thus I feel safe voting for Jill.
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I have to stop engaging in debates with them
It's bad for my health and gets us all nowhere fast. LOL that rant I sent you recently was after one such debate.
Start off with the socratic method and switch to socratic irony
depending on the mendacity or ignorance of other participants.
Far less stress, effort and you may even occasionally break through.
Or you know, do something useful with your time
I dig holes with a pickaxe
Two I need for incoming azaleas. The rest are for aeration and removal of stress, mostly but not all due to election nightmares.
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Jaysus but landscaping is the best medicine for
this cycle's toxic political stew. Just this summer I jackhammered out an old concrete ramp and leveled off 800sqft in the corner of the back garden.
Got enough back yard projects to keep me occupied until the primaries in 2020
If you do that, please let us know.
I'd like to see that conversation. It would probably be highly entertaining.
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I've just started telling them...
Alright, You've convinced me voting for Jill Stein is a waste of a vote...
So instead I'll vote for the least dangerous candidate Donald Trump, and that will not just be a vote that Hillary doesn't get, but one for her most viable opponent as well...
It's almost like voting twice, rather than a vote on principle alone...
It's also a nice kiss my ass to end the conversation...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Clinton's accusers are "tramps"
Bill's that is.
I will never forget hearing Ms. Rodham go after Bill's accusers. I was young at the time, a new mom... and I felt that if Hillary was a symbol of feminism... well then fuck that noise and I always said I was a Humanist, NOT a Feminist. Took me years to find out that that she was just a tool against women and that me and many others like me are the movement.
We are the movement. She's a stool.
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
Not fixing my typo :)
I think I'll leave it right where it is.
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
The whole stool?
Or just a sample?
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
The whole poop and nothing but the poop
So help me gawd.
Know what though? It's been so "great" hearing my daughter tell all about the hypocrisy of Clinton. Do NOT stand near if anyone swooshes the notion that Hillary is pro-woman. You will get a mouthful about how Clinton treated rape survivors.
We don't vote for Rapepublicans in this house. Not ever. Not even ones who lie and say they are Dems.
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
All the better to make the shit sandwich on Election Day.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
What typo?
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How will they feel
when the college aged voters, the millenials, and us burned out hippies actually pull off a political revolution in 2018, and Hillary declares martial law
i just finally
outed myself on facebook. told the her!s that they can chill out now, because trump is done, so i'm not necessarily a racist sexist basement-dwelling-gamer nazi trump supporter because i'm not voting for 'Ol Yellerteeth the Pantsuit. also, congratulated the trump supporters on electing hillary clinton. dipshits, derpster the clown wasn't ever a viable option.
and yeah, stein. mind's made up. because FUCK THIS SHIT.
GIANT ALL-CAPS SIG
Why not shaming the voters and protest them?
Well, I am not allowed to vote, but I wonder why you, who are all going to vote, don't do the opposite, go to the polling stations, take a huge sign with you, saying "Shame on you, if you vote for any of the two".
If every polling station had a good crowd to show up to shame voters into voting for dangerous and unelectable candidates, may be it had an effect. But heh, what do I know. I wouldn't vote, if you paid me to.
Those signs might be cop-bait, and would make the teevee
news. Even 200 feet away is my guess. We (if I remember) do not approve of shaming at voting places. But it is an interesting idea.
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“Electioneering” within X distance of polling places is verboten
in most jurisdictions.
What is “electioneering”? Visible signs, buttons, clothing, etc. and passing out literature with talking points for or against.
When I was a kid in Hawaii when it was still a “territory” (colony) instead of a state, there was one exception though. It was allowed to stand outside the polling place passing out small “voting cards” with candidates’ names, photos, and the office they were running for.
I assume the cards were intended to help voters with literacy or memory limitations. It wasn’t like holding a sign because you couldn’t see who was on the card until and unless you took one.
Edited: spelling correction
feels like in my neighborhood, you are not allowed
to post or place any political fliers in any of the "public" places that are supposedly "places for the people". It's even a co-op run community, people-goverened so to speak. There are co-op run cafes, space makers places, movie theaters and community centers, gasoline stations etc. Just you can't speak and gather freely there as a group.
You would think it should be allowed for a group of people to gather there and have a meeting that is related to the support of a candidate or a political association, party or something. Nope. Verboten.
When my former husband grew up, his country was still a french colony. Til today after their "independence" they live under the rule of a "democratic system", which produces nothing but life-long political
leaderspuppets of the former colonial and empirial powers of Europe and the US and international corporations, including international organizations like the IMF and WB etc. All corrupted to the core. Democracy - like a scam theater run by con artists, enforced at gun point. But it's fine entertainment, you better like it or else...How long do you give this site to survive? I have a sinking feeling that it will be drowned or dissolve itself out of fear.
What a huge, huge shame. This country got me. I am scared and can't think clearly anymore. If there is mind manipulation at play, they have succeeded. I got my mind screwed.
Good morning, mimi.
Assange feed has been cut, all is not right in internet land this morning. He activated his dead-man switches, apparently.
It has been a difficult weekend. I am watching leaves fall, makes me sad and nostalgic for something I am not sure I ever had. There is some fear that the net will go down. Hillary must be President. I hope that the Oligarchy has pulled too fast.
I feel like I should stock up on food, just squirrel in for the winter. A forecast shows SNOW next week, only for a few hours. Tomorrow my daughter becomes 28. I remember the weeks before her birth well. I stained an outside deck. It should be done again.;-)
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Good Morning, riverlover, what it comes down to
is always simple. We either survive or die. That makes the outlook easy. I don't understand enough about the "internet" and wouldn't even be able to recognize, when the Assange feed has been cut. Shame on me, but I never got so deeply into it and now I am more out of it than inside. I just sense a huge manipulative effect on the mind, when I read too much on the "internet". I am scared to lose internet connection, on the other hand I long for the independence of it. I want to be able to live a happy social and working life outside the social and work related networks of the internet. That looks like it's impossible. So, I feel we are slaves of it. I don't like to be a mind-slave. It very thoroughly depresses me.
Always be stocked up on food & water
And other necessities and niceties, like toilet paper.
Unless you are a former president whose wife is now running...
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Well you might if you lived in Chicago
It was Richard J. Daley, then Mayor of my home town who said "vote early and vote often".
Too busy getting 20 ears of corn for a $1 from Jewel....
I don't care about the Dem goose-steppers
The gist of the election is this:
"it's the fault of those who over-ran the Sanders candidacy to run a candidate whose unfavorability is nearly equal to Trump's"
I just told them a few days ago that with his favorability rating in the low 30%, the only way Trump could win the presidency will be because the Dem chose to pick a person whom the populace decide that they hate even more than they hate Trump. So, they should deal with their own stupid decision rather than expecting others who stated clearly at the beginning that they abhor HRC to bail them out.
Anyway, I asked them questions and none of them dare to answer.
!) Are you sure that HRC will not get us into a nuclear war that will kill us all ?
2) Since you say that Bernie's plans were impractical, can you name one of HRC's good plan (i.e not plans to go to war with half of the world) that she will be able to accomplish ?
Every time I ask them those "easy" questions, they just disappear, just to come back days/weeks later with the latest smart statements from the Clinton intelligentsia like "Trump said he could grab pussies" and then cry buckets of tears over it, not over the lives of millions of innocent people who have been killed by the Clinton and her cohorts and, potentially, hundreds of millions more if she keeps it up.
that's what we're down to
Elect her because we can't afford to elect him. I watched Gwen Iffil's news hour the other day. 75% of the time was discussion evolving around Trump's "scandalous" statements and behavior. Wikileaks was briefly discussed - and even stated that in normal times this would get lots more coverage - but immediately qualified that it pales compared to Trump's various escapades. NOT A SINGLE mention of any other candidates. It's everywhere. Got to vote for her because no sane person can vote for him. I hope the people are not so dumb and will see through this obvious blockade of anything not duopoly approved.
“The first duty of a man is to think for himself”
You can forget NPR to do its journalistic duties these days/nt
Yeah. Ever since the (R)'s threatened their funding.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Coarse language is a bigger deal than WWW 3,
or than making us colonial serfs by handing our national sovereignty over to foreign corporations. Very dainty of them.
Is everyone crazy? Is whatever they're getting paid worth this?
One other thing to hang your hopes on is this:
Even though Jill Stein is getting no media coverage, she is still on the ballot in 47 states and DC. This means that anyone getting their ballot is going to open it up and see her name right there next to the others.
It could very well be that a good number of people look at that, say to themselves, "Hey, there's another option here!" and decide "Screw it, I don't know who she is but she has to be better than these two assholes" and then votes accordingly.
It might be a bit of a reach but I don't think it's far-fetched.
"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain
I've got eight different
I've got eight different candidates on my ballot. There's the obvious ones, D and R and L and G. There's the Constitution Party and the Better for America. And there are a couple more I've never even heard of. Guess what? They're all legitimate choices if someone thinks that party is the best choice. I despise the idea that to vote third-party is to throw your vote away.
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