Well those outside of the ones sucked in by the Hillary Camp...
They are Oblivious to the Obvious...
I've spent the days since the election hammering them for giving us Trump...
I feel a little better now...
And yea with the TPP and TIPP gone I'm actually thinking the result was better than Hillary anyway...
The early polls knew it...
We knew it...
Michael Moore knew it...
Oh well to those that didn't know it, you probably will never be able to admit it...
But I'll tell you anyway... LOL
I saved my best for last...
Okay I'm done laughing at the Special Olympics Kids of Politics and ready to get going for 2018 & 2020...
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I have extended mine a bit to make sure those fuckers know that they were the ones told not to play with matches. They were the ones who lit the drapes on fire, so now when they cry about not being able to play xbox, they have to own it all. But soon the novelty will wear off, or I'll just be gang-banned with flags or given another 'time out'.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
1. Midwest Math, or Welcome to Our Rust Belt Brexit. I believe Trump is going to focus much of his attention on the four blue states in the rustbelt of the upper Great Lakes – Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin... Trump is ahead of Hillary in the latest polls in Pennsylvania and tied with her in Ohio. Tied? How can the race be this close after everything Trump has said and done? Well maybe it’s because he’s said (correctly) that the Clintons’ support of NAFTA helped to destroy the industrial states of the Upper Midwest. Trump is going to hammer Clinton on this and her support of TPP and other trade policies that have royally screwed the people of these four states.
... From Green Bay to Pittsburgh, this, my friends, is the middle of England – broken, depressed, struggling, the smokestacks strewn across the countryside with the carcass of what we use to call the Middle Class. Angry, embittered working (and nonworking) people who were lied to by the trickle-down of Reagan and abandoned by Democrats who still try to talk a good line but are really just looking forward to rub one out with a lobbyist from Goldman Sachs who’ll write them nice big check before leaving the room. What happened in the UK with Brexit is going to happen here... Donald Trump, has arrived to clean house! You don’t have to agree with him! You don’t even have to like him! He is your personal Molotov cocktail to throw right into the center of the bastards who did this to you! SEND A MESSAGE! TRUMP IS YOUR MESSENGER!
And this is where the math comes in. In 2012, Mitt Romney lost by 64 electoral votes. Add up the electoral votes cast by Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. It’s 64. All Trump needs to do to win is to carry, as he’s expected to do, the swath of traditional red states from Idaho to Georgia (states that’ll never vote for Hillary Clinton), and then he just needs these four rust belt states. He doesn’t need Florida. He doesn’t need Colorado or Virginia. Just Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. And that will put him over the top. This is how it will happen in November...
And this is where the math comes in. In 2012, Mitt Romney lost by 64 electoral votes. Add up the electoral votes cast by Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. It’s 64.
And Trump got all four of those States.
All Trump needs to do to win is to carry, as he’s expected to do, the swath of traditional red states from Idaho to Georgia (states that’ll never vote for Hillary Clinton),
Except in the Democratic Primary, which is how we got shafted with Her Heinous to begin with.
and then he just needs these four rust belt states. He doesn’t need Florida.
But he got it anyway.
He doesn’t need Colorado or Virginia. Just Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. And that will put him over the top. This is how it will happen in November...
And how it did happen this November.
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Here's just one (another, just like Michael Moore's) example from the Rust Belt: The Rust Belt Democrats Saw the Trump Wave Coming(And they tried to warn the Clinton campaign.) Pema Levy, Mother Jones (Nov. 11, 2016 3:32 PM)
And, while I'm not in the Rust Belt (but, I've spent a significant amount of time there doing political media work), I was nowhere near as certain as most people that I knew that "a Clinton win was a lock." (But, I guess I didn't speak up enough, even though my blogging--see link in previous paragraph--and my blogging comments definitely indicated where my head was at.)
My comment at Daily Kos, late on evening before Election Day:
I think Michigan could end up being Tuesday’s (mostly unexpected) wildcard.
(Indicative of the smugness and overall sentiments of not just the Clinton campaign, but the lemmings on Daily Kos, too [right up 'til the end], I was not-so-politely told to get the f*ck out of the thread, in slightly "nicer "terms.)
And, a few of my comments here during the four (+/-) days prior to Election Day:
McClatchy-Marist Poll: Clinton and Trump Are Now "Deadlocked"
From:This Weekend's Must-See TV: "The Empire Files: Abby Martin Exposes John Podesta"
bobswern Sun, 11/06/2016 - 04:56am
Trump has a >1:3 chance of winning, according to Nate Silver
From:This Weekend's Must-See TV: "The Empire Files: Abby Martin Exposes John Podesta"
bobswern Sun, 11/06/2016 - 04:30am
1.) Yes, the comment headline's quite accurate. See HERE and HERE. (Nate Silver's analysis is pretty thorough, and I state that as someone who's never been a 538 fan. Check it out in the previous links.)
2.) The IBD/TTIP poll, widely considered to be among the most accurate of all, now has the race as a TOSS-UP.
4.) Camp Clinton--and the Democratic Party's leadership, in general--is all but officially freaking out.
5.) I've never recalled of there ever being a US Presidential Election with more than 5%-6% undecided, this close to Election Day. Depending upon which pollsters you're reading (i.e.: See above links from Nate Silver, IBD/TTIP, etc.), the number of undecideds, just 72 hours before the results are in, is between 12%-15%, which is nothing less than stunning, from a historical standpoint.
This is what happens when this country's two major parties, with a big assist from the MSM, turn the entire thing into a total freakin' farce! When the Clinton campaign said they were going "scorched earth," this is what they're getting. Obviously, the Wikileaks of the past couple of weeks have taken their toll. Bigtime!
ABC/WaPo Poll: Clinton's unfavorable ratings worse than Trump's
From:A last response to the Clinton supporters bobswern Thu, 11/03/2016 - 01:50am
And, this was all after I had been posting--fairly extensively, I might add--about Thomas Frank's warnings to Democrats over at Orange State, through July.
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It pays for a partisan like Moore to say "It's not in the bag," so Democrats don't get lazy or complacent. Especially with a candidate as widely disliked as Hillary. For that matter, Hillary said it all the time, too. Things like
It's going to be close. I'm taking nothing for granted," etc.
Being such a Dem loyalist, Moore might even have known about her internal polling. Not necessarily from herself, but from someone in her organization or from someone in media who had been tipped. For example, right now, he's saying Trump may not last four years, which was something at which Hillary hinted broadly, too, in her concession speech. Something that might have been labeled treasonous and racist after the 2008 election. Meanwhile, the talking heads at MSNBC have practically been handing out free pitchforks, while saying that anyone who says the demonstrations did not start organically is autocratic. And talking as though the U.S. is already under Putin's rule because Trump got elected. w.t.f. is going on? It's all freaking bizarre and surreal.
Also as people are rioting Thursday evening and Friday, damaging property and creating potentially dangerous environments, Moore was on MSNBC urging everyone to go out in the streets, "but don't be violent." Yeah, that'll work, because, once Michael Moore says something, it's magic. All the violence ended and none of the millions he urged to join the demonstrations, but without violence. Because he said not to. /heavily snarky
As for Moore personally, I'm kind of over people who point out everything wrong with America, including with the Democratic Party, but their bottom line is always vote for more Democrats. Even someone like Hillary. Sadly, that applies to many who were my heroes and heroines not very long ago.
But, what the significance of Moore's having been right about this---aside from the fact that he may have been receiving info that the rest of us did not and may still be receiving inside info.? (Moore has a big megaphone and has been very good for Dems; and they are probably very good to him. He will be particularly useful in their current attempt to seem more liberal, so suddenly he's guesting on MSNBC, instead of DWS or Donna Brazile. Flocking kabuki.)
is that he's from Flint, Michigan. His long career as a filmmaker started with his exposure of the hollowing out of rust belt communities, with big business leaving them to die. He's not receiving information from analysts. He's receiving it from people who still live in these communities and whose kids have grown up from the time of Moore's first film, which was made a generation ago, and who still have no employment prospects, other than the military.
I think it's safe to say we all know who Moore is, what he does, etc. I don't think assuming his only source of info are the ordinary people around him is a sound assumption, not for him, not for any documentarian, not for anyone who does what he does, which is political commentary. On the other hand a relatively safe assumption is that he does talk to insider Democrats and they to him. Also people in media. What they say to each other, I don't know. I'm guessing none of us actually do.
In any event, he was by far not the only one to have said that Trump had a chance of winning.
Drumpf opens up infrastructure to private investment. Logo'd or some other kind of gimmick.
We have a massive uptick in jobs and visible infrastructure shit going down. Our businesses invest in America. C'mon, I could totally see a privatization of public policy getting some serious juice with Drumpf at the helm.
Perhaps he really is a wheeler and dealer, although I think he's more of a clever, entitled man child, that would go a long way towards leveraging excess capital. And I think all the real Masters of the Universe would love to stash some value in owning American infrastructure.
His 100 day plan freaked me the fuck out.
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I think we all knew it was coming...
Well those outside of the ones sucked in by the Hillary Camp...
They are Oblivious to the Obvious...
I've spent the days since the election hammering them for giving us Trump...
I feel a little better now...
And yea with the TPP and TIPP gone I'm actually thinking the result was better than Hillary anyway...
The early polls knew it...
We knew it...
Michael Moore knew it...
Oh well to those that didn't know it, you probably will never be able to admit it...
But I'll tell you anyway... LOL
I saved my best for last...
Okay I'm done laughing at the Special Olympics Kids of Politics and ready to get going for 2018 & 2020...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
The 'I told you so spike'
I have extended mine a bit to make sure those fuckers know that they were the ones told not to play with matches. They were the ones who lit the drapes on fire, so now when they cry about not being able to play xbox, they have to own it all. But soon the novelty will wear off, or I'll just be gang-banned with flags or given another 'time out'.
how i do adore the english language.
"gang-banned".
good lord.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Michael Moore
from last summer:
the math
And Trump got all four of those States.
Except in the Democratic Primary, which is how we got shafted with Her Heinous to begin with.
But he got it anyway.
And how it did happen this November.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
There were a LOT of people that saw this coming in the Rust Belt
Here's just one (another, just like Michael Moore's) example from the Rust Belt: The Rust Belt Democrats Saw the Trump Wave Coming (And they tried to warn the Clinton campaign.) Pema Levy, Mother Jones (Nov. 11, 2016 3:32 PM)
Thomas Frank had been warning Democrats for years--and even more loudly over the past year--that they were in deeper sh*t than they realized.
And, while I'm not in the Rust Belt (but, I've spent a significant amount of time there doing political media work), I was nowhere near as certain as most people that I knew that "a Clinton win was a lock." (But, I guess I didn't speak up enough, even though my blogging--see link in previous paragraph--and my blogging comments definitely indicated where my head was at.)
My comment at Daily Kos, late on evening before Election Day:
(Indicative of the smugness and overall sentiments of not just the Clinton campaign, but the lemmings on Daily Kos, too [right up 'til the end], I was not-so-politely told to get the f*ck out of the thread, in slightly "nicer "terms.)
And, a few of my comments here during the four (+/-) days prior to Election Day:
http://www.caucus99percent.com/comment/203772#comment-203772
McClatchy-Marist Poll: Clinton and Trump Are Now "Deadlocked"
From:This Weekend's Must-See TV: "The Empire Files: Abby Martin Exposes John Podesta"
bobswern Sun, 11/06/2016 - 04:56am
http://www.caucus99percent.com/comment/203771#comment-203771
http://www.caucus99percent.com/comment/201633#comment-201633
ABC/WaPo Poll: Clinton's unfavorable ratings worse than Trump's
From:A last response to the Clinton supporters bobswern Thu, 11/03/2016 - 01:50am
And, this was all after I had been posting--fairly extensively, I might add--about Thomas Frank's warnings to Democrats over at Orange State, through July.
"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." --Hunter S. Thompson
Not only Moore. Joe Scarbough and quite a few others.
It pays for a partisan like Moore to say "It's not in the bag," so Democrats don't get lazy or complacent. Especially with a candidate as widely disliked as Hillary. For that matter, Hillary said it all the time, too. Things like
It's going to be close. I'm taking nothing for granted," etc.
Being such a Dem loyalist, Moore might even have known about her internal polling. Not necessarily from herself, but from someone in her organization or from someone in media who had been tipped. For example, right now, he's saying Trump may not last four years, which was something at which Hillary hinted broadly, too, in her concession speech. Something that might have been labeled treasonous and racist after the 2008 election. Meanwhile, the talking heads at MSNBC have practically been handing out free pitchforks, while saying that anyone who says the demonstrations did not start organically is autocratic. And talking as though the U.S. is already under Putin's rule because Trump got elected. w.t.f. is going on? It's all freaking bizarre and surreal.
Also as people are rioting Thursday evening and Friday, damaging property and creating potentially dangerous environments, Moore was on MSNBC urging everyone to go out in the streets, "but don't be violent." Yeah, that'll work, because, once Michael Moore says something, it's magic. All the violence ended and none of the millions he urged to join the demonstrations, but without violence. Because he said not to. /heavily snarky
As for Moore personally, I'm kind of over people who point out everything wrong with America, including with the Democratic Party, but their bottom line is always vote for more Democrats. Even someone like Hillary. Sadly, that applies to many who were my heroes and heroines not very long ago.
But, what the significance of Moore's having been right about this---aside from the fact that he may have been receiving info that the rest of us did not and may still be receiving inside info.? (Moore has a big megaphone and has been very good for Dems; and they are probably very good to him. He will be particularly useful in their current attempt to seem more liberal, so suddenly he's guesting on MSNBC, instead of DWS or Donna Brazile. Flocking kabuki.)
The inside information Moore has
is that he's from Flint, Michigan. His long career as a filmmaker started with his exposure of the hollowing out of rust belt communities, with big business leaving them to die. He's not receiving information from analysts. He's receiving it from people who still live in these communities and whose kids have grown up from the time of Moore's first film, which was made a generation ago, and who still have no employment prospects, other than the military.
None of that precludes getting info from other sources.
I think it's safe to say we all know who Moore is, what he does, etc. I don't think assuming his only source of info are the ordinary people around him is a sound assumption, not for him, not for any documentarian, not for anyone who does what he does, which is political commentary. On the other hand a relatively safe assumption is that he does talk to insider Democrats and they to him. Also people in media. What they say to each other, I don't know. I'm guessing none of us actually do.
In any event, he was by far not the only one to have said that Trump had a chance of winning.
Thank you, HenryWallace,
what you say makes sense. I think you're right. But I also think he puts most credence in the feelings of people in that region.
Thanks. What you say seems very likely.
I Could Totally See a Next Few Years of Impressive Movement.
Think about it.
Drumpf opens up infrastructure to private investment. Logo'd or some other kind of gimmick.
We have a massive uptick in jobs and visible infrastructure shit going down. Our businesses invest in America. C'mon, I could totally see a privatization of public policy getting some serious juice with Drumpf at the helm.
Perhaps he really is a wheeler and dealer, although I think he's more of a clever, entitled man child, that would go a long way towards leveraging excess capital. And I think all the real Masters of the Universe would love to stash some value in owning American infrastructure.
His 100 day plan freaked me the fuck out.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Here's a couple more, from Yves' links this AM.
Debbie Dingell saw it coming.
Rust Belt Democrats saw it coming.
I'll bet the Clinton Machine saw it coming too. But what could they do ? They had to keep going, hoping for a miracle, because their livelihoods were at stake.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
I love Michael Moore, but anyone with a brain in their head
could see this coming.
Which explains why the Democratic establishment and the corporate media didn't see it coming.