Lesser of Two Evils

I have just finished reading Nonconsensual “Democracy” and the Degradation of the American Electorate by M. G. Piety published in the March 7 issue of Counterpunch:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/07/nonconsensual-democracy-and-the-d...

It is a very well written and succinct exploration of the "lesser of two evils" conundrum. The competition between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton makes this article so very pertinent for people like me. I'm 80 and was born and lived in a golden age for lower and middle class citizens. For the last forty years I have been fighting ineffectually against the rising power of oligarchy that has been at work since Franklin Roosevelt began the New Deal. The open warfare began with Ronald Reagan and accelerated under Clinton, both Bushes, and Obama. Now with Bernie Sander's candidacy I have some hope we can repair the damage. I don't know how tenuous that hope is but I have hope. That's important.

There is a discussion among progressives about whether or not to vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination because Donald Trump or Ted Cruz are waiting in the wings with a good chance of beating her. I have come to the conclusion that I cannot vote for her. Ever. I never voted for Bill either. My decision to vote for Nader has made people angry with me for years. The fact that Nader wasn't a spoiler as so many contend isn't much comfort when so few believe it. But the lesser of two evils has bothered me all this time because I've never been able to describe the problem adequately until now when Ms. Piety did it for me.

Here is a pertinent excerpt from her article:

“Voters are bombarded with propaganda to the effect that what they want is not possible. Many are so swayed by this propaganda that they can no longer think clearly about the issues to which it relates. The purpose of propaganda is precisely to circumvent rational thought. It works like a drug, depriving those it influences of autonomous judgment. Of course, people conclude, if these things were possible, then we would all do our best to see that they became actual, but, alas, they are not possible, so to work for them is a waste of time.

Not everyone is taken in by political propaganda. Some people know that not only are the political changes they want possible, they are genuine realities in other parts of the world. A special indignity is reserved for people who dare to keep their political wits about them despite the fact that they are bombarded with propaganda designed to undermine them. These people get to be fully conscious participants in their own degradation. Okay, respond the powers that be, you go ahead and vote your conscience, vote for someone who promises to bring about the kinds of changes you want. You know what will happen? You will get someone far, FAR worse than the “moderate” candidate you deem not good enough for you. The rest of the electorate, the sonorous voice continues, is not so forward thinking as you are. You will be "wasting your vote" on a candidate who doesn’t have a chance, and in that way, you will ensure that your worst political nightmares will come true.”

And that’s it. I’ve been looking for these words for a long time. Now I will continue to donate to Bernie and will vote my conscience in hope that a better day is at hand. More importantly, for whatever time I have left, I will vote for my candidates wherever they show up on the ballot.

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WSJ Poll: 33% of Sanders Supporters Wouldn't Vote for Clinton

A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll indicates one third of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders' supporters cannot see themselves voting for Hillary Clinton in November. This could spell trouble for Clinton who will likely need Sanders' backers in order to win the White House.

I would even go one step further. Like the Tea Party people, we have to make people lose and claim the credit for doing it. Once we can hurt them, they will start caring what we think.

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If my best judgement tells me that by my vote I can help reduce the suffering of others, I will vote for the lesser evil. I will resent those that put me in the position and redouble my efforts to never give them that power over me again, but I will vote.

Being on the "good" team means voluntarily abandoning many of the tactics that the "bad" team will happily use. Using the ends to justify the means is one of those tactics. I myself might weather a Republican Presidency with little damage, but I will not abandon my sisters, POC, LBGT, the poor, or the children, who will be VASTLY worse off if that comes to pass. The means ARE the ends, and no movement that calls itself democratic can abandon its most vulnerable members to political expediency.

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There is no Good Team if we have to choose between evil.

If you need an example of that just look at a woman's right to choose over the last administration, where we were told that if we DIDN'T vote for Obama, they'd lose it. They lost it for all practical purposes in many areas ANYWAY, and the Democratic party did nothing that amounted to anything more than a sternly worded letter.

A vote for somebody who suggests they might not hurt the vulnerable AS MUCH is still voting for the vulnerable to get screwed over. What's more they will claim a MANDATE to screw over the vulnerable from the support.

I refuse to ever vote from fear again.

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is definitely adopting the same tactics as the "Bad Team".

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that will be hitting members of the Illinois-based Teamsters Central States Pension Fund.

Teamsters pension crisis driving deep cuts for retirees

Susan Tompor, Detroit Free Press Personal Finance Columnist 3:12 p.m. EST February 16, 2016

A plan to slash pensions for retired Teamsters has activists warning a dangerous precedent could be set for other plans. Angry Teamsters are expected in Detroit to protest cuts of 50% or higher.

. . . The Central States fund said it covers 24,205 current retirees in Michigan — and 13,179 now face benefit reductions. Reduced pension benefits also would hit about 18,757 plan participants in Michigan who are not yet retired.

Nationwide, the proposed cuts by Central States trustees would affect about 270,000 people.

If the plan is approved as submitted, many retirees said they may receive only half of what they receive now in retirement checks. Others — who worked at some point for companies that went out of business — have reported being told of deeper cuts to their existing pension checks ranging up to 70%.

Under the law, some plan participants' benefits cannot be reduced at all, including retirees 80 years of age and older (partial protection beginning at age 75), and participants receiving disability benefits. . . .

The proposed cuts could be allowed under the Kline-Miller Multiemployer Pension Reform Act of 2014. The Treasury Department is required to review the application and determine whether it meets the requirements set by Congress. . . .

BTW, similar pension cuts may eventually effect up to approximately 10 million participants/beneficiaries in multi-employer pension plans.

We can, and must do better than this. IMHO, this is not possible, if we elect another corporatist neoliberal President.

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I know several people who believe as you do, and I don't begrudge you your position.
I don't vote out of fear, I vote out of compassion.

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I did something wrong when I posted this. It is meant as a reply to The Bogeyman is Real.

Your argument is powerful and is what too many times has made me hold my nose and vote for someone I didn't trust. I think the time has come, for me at least, to say that simply making people suffer less for a little while and then suffer a little more later and on and on and on is not good enough. There simply comes a time when one must say, "This far and no further." I guess what I'm saying is that the rate of change with Clinton is less rapid than with the Republicans but it is still in the same direction--right and down. That direction is not going to help all the people you list. I feel that we and Bernie have the chance to stop the decline and if we don't this time then we will be in a better position to do so next time. But, that said, I really think that all indicators point to a win for Bernie. I'm hoping for this because I will feel even worse than I did when I voted for Nader. This decision has not been easy.

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Bless you.

I am a young 50 year old who has seen too many people in too many situations compromise their principles and sacrificing their morals and ethics for fear of their honesty and forthrightness bringing harm to someone. Emotional, financial, professional blackmail of this sort must be met with a backbone of steel!

To your readers: Get up. Stand up! Think BIG. Think of the victory of conscience, not the victory of inevitability! Stop playing the victims and FIGHT BACK!!!

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Emotional, financial, professional blackmail of this sort must be met with a backbone of steel!

To your readers: Get up. Stand up! Think BIG. Think of the victory of conscience, not the victory of inevitability! Stop playing the victims and FIGHT BACK!!!

Or, as Bob Marley put it so well:

[video:https://youtu.be/JuMlHdxiIZ8]

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Shit, this is all depressing and shit. Let's take Bernie all the way to the White House, retake the Democratic Party, and slay the Kochtopus and the Vampire Squid!

Then we can get started on the hard stuff!

Bernie! ~Cuz fuck those fucking fucks!

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Rationalizing a compromising nature when you gain minimally and others gain exponentially?

We would be royal subjects still without the principled and uncompromising.

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Or maybe I misunderstand yours.

I'm not sure why you feel you are more principled and uncompromising when you are willing to give up all, while I will fight for every inch of terrain.

That's what I'm talking about, you see? To abstain when you have leverage may be good strategy, but to do so when your adversary has you at such a disadvantage is surrender. It appears you think that both arms of our adversary are the same, that the differences are part of the kibuki. And that may be so, but the differences are real enough to the ones who are faced by them. And that is enough for me.

We are building our strength. It could be that we will win outright, and such thoughts are simply a waste of imagination. And that would be a very good thing indeed.

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As you say, the Bogeyman is real. Accordingly, I can't in good conscience argue you out of your choice.

For me personally I've chosen a longer-term view. This whole lesser of two evils thing is killing us all. The choice seems to be slowly or quickly. That's not really much of a choice. I think it needs to stop so here I hold the line. Will there be suffering as a result of that decision? Yes and I'm hardly indifferent to it. Will I personally escape the worst of that suffering? Yes but that's not what emboldens me -- I still feel for the suffering all the same. What emboldens me is that the lesser of two evils strategy has demonstrably not worked... is not working.... and won't work in the future. So I needed to come up with a different plan.

I'm intellectually honest enough to agree that I am "abandoning" those more vulnerable than myself. But in my head it's more like sacrificing a battle to win the war. No war has ever been won in battles of retreat. At some point we must fight. For me, that point was around 2010.

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I mostly lurk, but found myself talkative tonight.

This subject is important to me, and has been for as long as I've been a voter. I have had a few opportunities to vote for someone I believed in, but most often, the choice was of the type we're talking about tonight. And I've had this conversation over and over again with folks who abstained from voting in the rigged system. In fact, most times those who abstained outnumbered those who participated. And over and over again, we got the WORST of two evils. That's what is so disheartening to me about this whole conversation, that both sides of the discussion are disappointed in the strategy of the other, when BOTH STRATEGIES HAVE FAILED!

And the reason is we haven't worked the other half of the equation. Whether we vote for the lesser of two evils or abstain, nothing will get better until we organize and put forth a Greater Good option, not just once in a while, but consistently and widely. Maybe not everywhere, but everywhere it is strategically worth it. Honestly, I have not been helpful in this regard in decades, but I think I'm finally starting to wade in these waters again. I have no idea where I'll find the time, or whether the bug will stick around this time, but we'll see. I haven't been this optimistic since our current POTUS dazzled me with his wondrous speechifying. I hadn't been paying close enough attention, and was disappointed when he filled the Executive Branch with minions of the Bloodsucking Squid.

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that there is a #BernieOrBust Movement (I think that's the name of it), which calls for folks to either write-in Bernie, or vote for a Third Party candidate like Dr. Stein, in the event that Bernie is not the nominee.

Hey, glad that you've decided to quit lurking, and join us.

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Let's be clear. In my own voting strategy I have no intention of abstaining. Specifically, what I intend to do is vote for the most credible populist candidate in any election. In a Hillary vs. Trump match up that means Jill Stein. I will vote and I want that vote to be counted and visible. I want some future Bernie to know that there's a pile o' votes sitting over there in the Green party. Only in the event that there simply isn't any populist candidate will I not vote.

Insofar as putting forth a greater good option, I agree completely. This whole thing has really educated me on what's needed and Bernie's movement has already galvanized a wide array of candidates to run for office. We've got things like Sanders Democrats for House & Senate. Bernie Sanders is the first time that I have ever donated to a political candidate and "Berniecrats" are the first time I've ever even considered donating to a political candidate anywhere in the country. I have done both this year. I've also donated to this site (again a first) in the hopes that it can "up it's game" and become the site for Bernie's revolution -- whether or not Bernie wins.

So my personal strategy looks like this:

Make the oligarchy candidates fail.
Park my vote in a visible place to entice and encourage populist candidates
Open up my wallet and social connections to support populist candidates

I admit I haven't done any phone banking. Good lord I hate that sort of thing and being in another country I'm not even sure if I can. But at least I know about things like that and will probably be more motivated next cycle. I haven't done any boots on ground stuff but I flatly refuse to return to US soil. The loss of civil liberties as I cross the border is palpable.

And yes, Obama dazzled me in 2008 but Occupy showed me the light.

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This is the choice before us now. Which do you choose?

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Not all of our choices are black and white.

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They've spent so much time telling us we need to unify - to conform.
Just vote for her because this is the best you can do.

That's why lying, and appearances of corruption, and conflicts of interest, and shifts in so many policy positions are accepted by so many. She's just enough better than a Republican that she can still be her horrible self and people blindly agree - she's better than them - without asking themselves if they, if we all deserve something better than just above the surface of pond scum - not that I would want to insult pond scum.

Her record gets overlooked time and again. We're told how she just 'evolves'.

They've been telling us this is inevitable and that this is the best that we can expect. Realistically, Clinton may well be what we all get unless things turn around in the primary, but the lack of conformity is what is really worrying the 'leaders'. How dare the voters not fall in line and continue to reject their decisions. This is happening in both parties.

The people won't just shut up and conform, and our rulers and overlords do not like that one bit. These people aided the decline, supported policies which would encourage it, and now - now we're all just supposed to accept less because they wanted more for the few at the top, and still want more for themselves.

How dare the American people not conform indeed.

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if you are new... if not, then very nice to finally catch up with you.

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“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"

What we know about many of Hillary's positions, and choices of allies, and actions is also awful. And we know that she's very secretive and is not only refusing to release materials but has refused to comment on issues - she'll let us know after she's elected. If we'd like those things, why hide them?

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