Education policy: one possible linchpin to Putin hysteria

If you want to experience a disagreement with your fellow progressive that has enough nitroglycerin in it to explode in your face, have a discussion about education.

I was a member of a cult in my youth, a believer in what came to be described as Progressive Education. As a lifelong pacifist, since my earliest childhood, based on anger, fear, and a belief that we are tasked with putting war out of business, I fell into a belief in progressive education in my 20's upon reading A.S Neill's, Summerhill. At the time, the Vietnam War was raging and becoming more insane, more corrupting, more violent, more threatening to life on earth every day. So perhaps I felt education was part of the conditioning of Americans to accept such behavior on the part of our government. That's as close as I can come to explaining why I believed children playing all day was better than for them to be learning all day.

At the same time, I thought the point of progressive education was to tell the truth about Christopher Columbus, not to just stop teaching about him. That is, I thought the idea was to tell the truth that he was not just an "explorer" who proved the earth was round, but also that he killed and enslaved indigenous people in order to exploit the new world for the Spanish king.

In the 1970's I began to agree with critics of progressive education because I witnessed the fact that many children I knew appeared to know very little about history and that teachers I had contact with were blaming poverty for their ignorance. This frame of reference went with the persistence of tracking systems in public schools based on income, not "ability."

So I became a conservative on education. E.D. Hirsch and Diane Ravitch wrote compellingly about the need to include subject matter in public education, and the Reading Wars and the Math Wars consumed much of my attention. I am a reformed escapee of the cult of progressive education and an ardent proponent of curricula full of information. Knowledge is power.

The hysterical behavior on the part of voters for Hillary Clinton that manifests itself in the belief that Vladimir Putin is the cause of all our problems, seems similar to the belief that poverty causes the Achievement Gap, that information-free progressive education has no responsibility for the fact that so many of our children, rich and poor, are ignorant of history, science, and the realities of the world we live in.

It would be absurd for me to assert that all American public education has been information-free during the era in which progressive education has been the standard. But in districts and regions in which an Achievement Gap persists, and in which even the most advantaged students need remedial education upon reaching college, there are practices that I believe need reforming.

The response that I have experienced to a belief in the need for reform has been similar to the disturbingly hysterical denial seen in the Putin-caused-the-election-results reaction, a denial about responsibility, not only on the part of the Democratic party, but on the part of liberal thinking and behavior with respect to poverty, opportunity, social programs, and war itself, especially in its effects on American students, high school graduates, and dropouts from our public schools.

Affirmative Action is a subject very significant to conservatives who question liberal programs. Nothing exemplifies the point I am trying raise here more than a YouTube video of a California public school teacher, as part of an organization called BAMN, By Any Means Necessary, physically assaulting a participant in a peaceful demonstration questioning Affirmative Action.

I'm conflating too much and I'm over-simplifying, but when I see decent progressives freaking out and believing Vladimir Putin caused the failure of the Democratic party, I see the same denial of racism, classism, and ignorance of world realities on the part of these good people that I have seen in good teachers who advocate substance-free education. It goes very deep, and for many of these people it questions everything they've believed for their whole lives.

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PriceRip's picture

          As a university physicist I appreciate your comments.

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@PriceRip
Thanks for all the insight you bring here each day.

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come over in the summer, worried by what they think they know and the gapping holes of what they don't know about the world they live in
I had what would be termed a classical eduction at St Georges in Edinburgh. It didn't hurt and everyone came out with a little more knowledge than they arrived with. One of our best courses was current affairs.

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@LaFeminista

          A while back someone commented that their child was doing very well (high grades and much praise) in school. I, rather in-artfully, said I felt sorry for her as reality would be rather harsh if she were to continue into college.

          Far too many start (and some finish) college without a clue as to the true nature of the process. Even though the administrators ignore the truth, education is not about teaching it is about learning. Our job is to help create autodidacts and that is all we should be doing. I really hate the push to "fill empty vessels with 'knowledge' and indoctrinate them to orthodox 'truth'." I love the fact that I can have a conversation with my daughter, and not agree on every point! Yes!, we did something right!

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@PriceRip much to get on with it, in Chemical Engineering you better have the basics well bedded into your memory, after which you can have some real fun, I went on to study fluid dynamics and have been having quite a lot of fun ever since. That's what I call a progressive/classic education, step by step then let loose.

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when I see decent progressives freaking out and believing Vladimir Putin caused the failure of the Democratic party, I see the same denial of racism, classism, and ignorance of world realities on the part of these good people that I have seen in good teachers who advocate substance-free education.

Often, such "progressives" are the product of that same said substance-free "education".

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And you won't find much denial of actual racism, classism, and ignorance of world realities here. Most of us are here because we are fleeing such garbage (or at least its dominance over us).

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I can see the similarities. It does go deep, we're dealing with lifetimes of indoctrination and conditioning. Most just don't want to go deep enough to challenge their comfort zones.

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@Big Al
that is what I feel too.

The last thing I want to do is here is to provoke a disagreement between people at caucus99percent about education. All the people who write here are so amazing and good, and the subject of educational methods tends to bring out very powerful feelings about strongly held beliefs, nearly all of which I have felt, and all of which I respect.

But bringing up the subject of whether or not progressive education has anything to do with the continuation of poverty is like touching a nerve. There's a big ouch and then a truly volatile reaction.

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@Linda Wood You'd get a kick out of talking to my conservative brother about "liberal" education and what it does to Amerika. Like I tell my granddaughter, she's 12 and in 7th grade, "don't believe anything they tell you until you run it by me".

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@Big Al
a wonderful Grandpa!

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@Linda Wood

          "the subject of educational methods tends" blah blah. I think with this crowd it is primarily the medium rather than the message that generates "hot" discussions.

          The atmosphere here is much more cordial than many places I have observed. Raw words do not function well for communicating except those written by the very best of writers. That's partly why I like to "keep to my specialties" wherein I communicate using diagrams, equations, and geometric constructs. While using the vernacular I know I have misunderstood and have been misunderstood several times. For me that's what generates frustration leading to the dark side.

          I have some rather strong opinions with respect to educational protocols and would really like to engage in discussions of same. But if anyone thinks: I think I have the best take on the subject ‽ fugetaboutit ! I am not that crazy. I think I have some (and only some) good ideas, but I would really like to be able to have a greater range of experience, but I only have one life to live and their is no way I could possibly have even a significant fraction of the answers. And besides that, all the really good stuff is coded in the stories, the "controlled" studies often control out the really good stuff.

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@PriceRip
in part because it's coming from you, and I agree, this is the most civil, grounded, and clear thinking group of writers I've read on any blog, and I've read some real good ones. I don't feel there is a disparity in important values here. But education practices are a complex subject, very important, but somehow very volatile in my experience.

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@Linda Wood

          I should comment that I was hired in 1979 as part of an effort to transform Kearney State College into the University of Nebraska as Kearney. Many of my cohort hired in the span of a few years did not "survive" the transition process. I am a rather tenuous jerk and took the task to heart. The adversarial nature of the process became, for me, the norm as I was fresh out of graduate school and had little from which to provide perspective. The positive for me is I have very few inhibitions when it come to confronting difficult and or stressful situations. I also find it relatively easy to find consensus (or, at least, points of agreement) in dynamically unstable groups. All this only really works, from my experience, one-on-one in real time.

          Part of my fascination with c99p is that maybe I can develop some sense of how I might adapt my "talents" in the on-line community environment. To date, that has not gone well. But, only time will tell.

          It's late here. so I will catch you all on the other side.

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