Dear Progressives: Dems Will Never Stop Blaming Us For the "Clusterf#%k" of Hillary's Loss to Trump

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Relevant Links: The Effect of Third Parties on Clinton's Loss By the Numbers

Clinton Supporter's Response to that blog post:

People didn't just sit out. They changed who they voted for, and it appears that the white rural Republican counties were the biggest changers, so Clinton needed to do more to hold onto the votes of angry-ass countryfolk who liked the cut of Trump's jib. For example, she got more votes than Obama out of Philly and Pittsburgh and still lost. Same thing happened in Florida. Look where the vote drop off came from, because it wasn't uniform.

It's not an insult to blame voters for voting for Trump or for failing to vote against him or for failing to vote at all. The responsibility for this basic civil responsibility does not fall all on the candidate or the party. It actually falls primarily on each individual citizen.

Why are you writing it, though? Is it just to blame Clinton and the DNC for the loss and absolve yourself and others like you for this complete clusterfuck?

Income Inequality, the Working Class and Race:
http://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/... http://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-3/income-and-spending-patterns-among-...
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104552.html

Clinton's Failure to Push the Economic Justice Plank of Dem Platform in her campaign:

Both candidates spent most of their television advertising time attacking the other person’s character. In fact, the losing candidate’s ads did little else. More than three-quarters of the appeals in Mrs. Clinton’s advertisements (and nearly half of Mr. Trump’s) were about traits, characteristics or dispositions. Only 9 percent of Mrs. Clinton’s appeals in her ads were about jobs or the economy. By contrast, 34 percent of Mr. Trump’s appeals focused on the economy, jobs, taxes and trade.

Among all white voters, he did only 1 percentage point better than Romney—who lost the popular vote by 3.9 percentage points. This is because Trump’s 14-point gain among whites without college degrees was almost canceled out by a 10-point loss among college-educated whites.

No, the real secret to Trump’s success is that while he did poorly among voters of color, he did less poorly than Romney did—he was beaten by 7 fewer points among African-Americans, 8 less with Latinos and 11 points less with Asian-Americans.

Why Clinton Lost: She underperformed Obama in almost all Demographic Categories:

Clinton underperformed Barack Obama's 2012 results among not only non-college educated whites, but also white men; black men and women; Hispanic men and women; Asian men and women; men and women of other races; every age group except voters over 65; liberals, moderates and conservatives; Protestants, Catholics, adherents of other religions and those who claim no religious affiliation; married men and unmarried men and women; union and non-union households; self-identified Democrats; straight people; people who think undocumented immigrants should be given legal status; and people who think the country is going in the right direction. [...]

It's true that in 2016, non-college whites swung to the GOP by a 15-point margin relative to 2012. But Clinton underperformed Obama among voters of all races who make less than $30,000 per year by an identical margin.

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defeat. They have aided and abetted the never ending slide into Oligarchy every step of the way

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#BernOrBurn

Remind them we will not vote for the lesser of evils, we will either vote for the greater good, or we will vote to burn it down.

For all of the potential evil brought by a Trump presidency, we are now truly free, When we say we wont vote for wall street sell outs they absolutely will believe us, as in effect America just did that.

Keep driving that point home, They will keep asking, and so long as our response is clear and unchanged, they will eventually believe it. Agree with it maybe not, but priority one for them is getting elected, so they will eventually respond to it, rather they like it or not.

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They set out to change the dem party and destroyed it en route.

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dfarrah

The title: It's Still the Economy, Stupid

"Stupid" will be a recurring leitmotif, castigating all the bubble dwellers over there.

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with both middle fingers in their face and a smile on mine.
Blame me! Blame me!
It's been fun.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

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" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "

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When you place your faith in false gods you get what, exactly?

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

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native

power (and oil)...

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If Nader cost Gore the election then the corrective action is Kerry not Edwards or Kucinich?
If Stein cost Clinton the election the corrective action is Charles Schumer, Howard Dean, Donna Brazille,.... the same team, everyone just moves one rung up. Not a clean sweep with Sanders allies taking leadership?

OK so we know their plan. Double down on failed plan A. The electorate has seen through it. Funny, it won't be the GOP wandering into electoral irrelevance, it will be the Dems as the fertile ground on the left they have long ignored is taken away from them.

If the reports are true we got to 200 million registered voters this year. Which is a massive breakthrough as it was 153mm in 2012 and 129mm in 2000.

25% Clinton, 25% Trump, 5% Other and 45% didn't vote: Grind the data, identify them, make contact. There is another 20mm to 40mm that are still not registered. The Dim/Rip parties do not have any ground game outside of battle ground states. Can we get a ground game in say CA/OR/WA for 2018 that gets 3rd party candidates elected to state & federal level? Elsewhere?

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Does it look like this?

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg

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but we need to stop acting like this is a simple innocent Republic and all we have to do is mobilize voters. What you're suggesting could have a good effect, but not by itself. You'd have to take steps to protect yourself from the leader being compromised or sandbagged with a character assassination (the first is worse than the second); you'd have to deal with the reality of election fraud. And, of course, of the mainstream press who will try to suffocate you or, failing that, deride or demonize you.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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so you know all beginnings are good beginnings!

In my heart I know we are heading towards armed revolution. But I am going to do every damned thing I can to avert it. Growing up watching the Troubles is lesson enough to strive hard.

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kharma's picture

It's all someone else's fault.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

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There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams

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my mother was a narcissist and my sister has some tendencies but not as full blown as my mother. And yes, my mother had very low self esteem and just loved the word "can't" which still drives me nutty to this day.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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This will happen because what leading liberals cannot understand – what they are psychologically blocked from understanding – is that the problem isn’t really the white working class. The problem is them.

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
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"It's YOUR fault for not being sufficiently impressed!"

Condescending, arrogant, out-of-touch, and miserably self-entitled.

Which also sums up Hillary's whole campaign and neatly summarizes why she lost.

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"It's YOUR fault for not being sufficiently terrified of Trump".
They say that quite a lot.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

"It is YOUR fault for being a Putin stooge."

They do say a lot...and they keep going and going.

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          What part of that sentence is so very difficult to understand? No one has, as of this moment, blamed me personally for their lack of introspection, but if this should ever happen I will ask that question.

          Has anyone ever tried this in a conversation with these inattentive individuals.

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It's still your fault. Trust me, that would be the reaction.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

scared enough of Trump. I have not had any of my friends say that to me, but I think a few of them are probably thinking that right about now. We are too purist, too idealistic, too unrealistic and we simply want "free shit." They'll cling to that from now on. But I didn't help put him into the White House, my state went blue and I knew it would, so I felt little risk at first of voting for Stein. Towards the end though, I no longer cared whether the state went blue or not, I refuse to vote for one more lying betraying "Democrat," especially one who's the poster child for corruption.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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the Best and Brightest Democratic presidential candidate in 50 years, and you uneducated dumb fuck rank & file ingrates turned your back on Her Highness. Well, the DNC got two words for you ignorant fucks, and the first one starts with an F."

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Democrats. That translates into "conservatives too gutless and/or corrupt to admit who they really are". Their followers are basically tools to be used to get them their nice, good paying government jobs so that they too can pad their resumes and go for everything they can get for themselves and to Hell with the plebs. We're just here to foot the bills and fight their wars.

For the past 8 years one of those TWNDs has been in the White House. Looking at that fraud and his 'record' it's actually funny watching them kick and scream and blame everybody else but the trash they keep nominating for the office. If I were these dem supporters, the person I'd be angry at would be the one who's governed like a Repubbies for the last 8 years. Apparently the tools are too stupid to be able to understand that not everybody wants endless war and forever payments to Wall Street and the banks to cover up for corporate criminals.

Go figure. But I think it's funny.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

Invite their arguments and enjoy pointing out HRC's litany of failures. When she becomes Neoliberalism's McGovern - sooner rather than later, I hope - the finger-pointing will stop.

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We have beaten the "Democrats Hate Progressives" dead horse to death after pummelling it to death upon discovering it's dead. I think we now have two pressing topics toward which our discussion must shift: How to slow or stop the massive damage that Trump is about to cause to America, and which worthy Democrats and outside progressives deserve our support.

Right now, from where I sit, there aren't many Democrats deserving any support from me. I read Howie Klein's DownWithTyranny for leads toward such folk, but even he's been hoodwinked - the latest being Tulsi Gabbard (although Howie did promote her with hesitation about some of her positions). The more of us putting names before the Caucus and the general public, the faster the desire to take over the Democratic Party (not that I believe it's worth the effort) can happen.

As for outsiders, Kshama Sawant deserves wider exposure from us to show that one doesn't have to be aligned with the two faces of the one corrupt capitalist party to win elections.

I call upon you, Stephen D, to get involved with this, as you have a ready audience here more likely to listen to you than they would me. Hopefully I have enough credibility with you to heed my call to change discussion topics. Trump will hit the ground running, possibly as soon as he's done swearing on the Wholly Book and before he gives his Inaugural Address. He'll have an entire list of things prepared for action, especially a pile of Executive Orders to undo the vast majority of Barry's "accomplishments" just waiting for his official imprimatur. Are we going to be ready to take action, or will we be caught flat-footed and off-balance, moaning on the sidelines as he leaves us in his dust?

What say you, Caucus members?

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

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          What one thing can we do as a group? My thought was: Wouldn't it be interesting if we could capitalize on Bernie's success and "get the ball rolling" on something of interest to this community. Nothing came of that simplistic "effort" on my part.

          I have only two suggestions, grounded in my personality and point of view.

  1. Full Public Funding for Education at all levels.
  2. Full Public Funding for Medical / Hospital Procedures.

          Privatizing these vital functions is anathema to a just society.

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what we do instead. That's the problem.

I think we need to think deeper than just "which existing organization should we support?" I think we need to consider our enemies' main strategies, and choose strategies that would counter them--or at least would be harder for the enemy to deal with.

Unfortunately, most of the time people don't have the energy to have that kind of deep discussion.

Perhaps we could have/host a sort of blogathon on the question: "What are the strategies of the Establishment, and how can we counter them?". That might be more constructive. There's two schools of thought on that though, and the other would suggest that we should strategize very much in private, for the same reason that a coach doesn't reveal his playbook on national TV before the game. I can see both sides of that issue. But if we want to discuss real shit we want to do out in the open, a blogathon on that question would be a good start.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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I'm for a blogathon.

Media consolidation and integration into the deep state is, for me, the single biggest issue. When all the corporate media are essentially aligned to prop up the status quo, and thus avoid/evade dealing with the issues and concerns of most Americans, and are sewers of misinformation/propaganda, its difficult to mobilize large numbers of people around anything.

How to confront that is my biggest concern, especially in light of the current movement on social media to censor alternative sources of news. It is no surprise Bernie attracted so many large crowds of young people - more and more they have fled the print and Cable TV outlets as legitimate news sources (part of that being the cut the cord movement due to the high cost of cable companies having a monopoly on traditional TV programming).

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

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but let's talk more later?

and anybody else who's interested, feel free to chime in on this thread or PM me.

There's a few people I might want to invite from outside Caucus, if folks are amenable (old friends who just happen to hang elsewhere like at jackpine or shadowproof)

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Somewhat, in that we need #s to agree in pow wow. Reddit, maybe? Just tossing out rescue lines here. DAPL has exposed a great divide, one to shove farther apart. Basics, basics, water and children. That is where I think to give the cleaver.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

We may have "beaten the "Democrats Hate Progressives" dead horse to death after pummeling it to death upon discovering it's dead." But it's a very active zombie. I'll stop AFTER they stop. If they repeat these lies enough without response the lies become the conventional wisdom. I have no intention of contributing to their ability to make the argument "We can't run X as a primary challenger. Remember what Sanders did to Hillary."

I'm fully prepared to shove the truth down their throats every time they open their mouths to complain about Sanders, or Sanders supporters, or Putin, or Comey, or racist working class whites, or the effects of sunspots on voting machines.

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So long as they continue to peddle the Neoliberal bullshit, I will rub their noses in it and point to Hillary Clinton's spectacular failure to deliver.

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I was going to write a post for here about various neoliberal websites where I was banned for not getting on the Clinton bandwagon. Dissension cannot be tolerated, but the pixels disappeared into the void. The long of the post short is that neoliberals are still unclear on what happened. Booman Tribune wrote a piece the other day about how the Democratic Party needs to start grooming new talent. But the piece pretty much ignores, as one commenter pointed out, that "new talent" of the Democratic Party pretty much went with Sanders in the primaries and were uninspired by Clinton.

The question to ask is why should Sanders backers, especially young ones, get active in the moribund Democratic Party? Booman and Balloon Juice, a real nasty bunch of self-satisfied neoliberals, both say the Democrats, presumably the party faithful and "new talent" alike should get behind the Democratic Senate candidates like Claire McCaskill who are coming up for reelection in 2018.

And they never ask themselves why Sanders could fill up stadiums and Clinton couldn't fill half a high school gym.

Maybe if Hillary had Claire McCaskill at her side she could have filled up that high school gym.

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All the young blood is progressive or at least willing to promote a progressive agenda. Tim Canova, Nina Turner and yes, Tulsi Gabbard. None of them are perfect, but all are better than the New Dem alternatives, and in Turner you have one of the most charismatic and dynamic speakers in politics.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

she campaigned in --- wait for it---

the produce section of a supermarket!

I'm guessing a sale on squash would have been more appreciated than a guest appearance by Hillary at the jicama.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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She already lost once-- to a Black man in these ʇsᴉɔɐɹ pǝʇᴉu∩ sǝʇɐʇS, so what's up with running her again? What is this "it's her turn" bit? Are they in the 5th grade?

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

Republicans.

Republicans have used the "It's his turn stuff" for many Presidential elections. McCain, Romney, etc. They abandoned it this time, but Democrats took it up instead. I thought Democrats had learned the lesson with Stevenson and again with Humphrey, but nooooooo.

Remind me when a candidate who couldn't win the first time looks better the second time around.

Remind me how Hillary Clinton could have been seen as anything but establishment in a clear change year.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

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Nixon? Well, he didn't look any better. Trump? Though he didn't actually run, just but his name in the hat. He didn't look any better either. Just a different shade of orange. Oh how the electorate has slid -- George the Lesser's dumbing down efforts were clearly successful.

Clinton wasn't seen as anything but establishment, which is what the DNC wanted as they're all in the same shopping club.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

My kindergarten class had already mastered it.

Nixon was another one who took his turn, another VP like Humphrey, except War War II had worked in Ike's favor while Vietnam worked against LBJ. Actually, I guess since Nixon defeated Humphrey, both World War II and Vietnam helped Nixon. Ugh. What a way to satisfy your personal ambition.

Speaking of which, isn't about time we stopped called political jobs "public service?" Between salary, perks, influence peddling, etc., they're some of the best paying jobs in the country and among the few that can't be sent to Myanmar.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
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It didn't work.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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why Hillary lost.
And don't forget what Schumer said about losing one D voter and they would pick up two R voters.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.

I got so sick of those Hillary TV ads full of Tea-GOPers and neocons. Tell me that ad campaign didn't depress Dem voter turnout. And did she get any Tea-GOP votes?

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

have walked into the White House.

instead, she tacked hard to the right, flipping the bird at the newly-inspired youth voters, while doing nothing to inspire african americans in the north to come to the polls. as i've already documented, she got more raw votes than Obama in the royal blue precincts of Madison, but seriously underperformed BHO in the inner city precincts of Milwaukee.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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even Hillary entered the race!

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

I worked, donated and voted for President Sanders, in part because I stupidly bought the independent outsider, never sold out riff. I had zero interest in voting for Hillary's Number 2, no matter who it was.

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though team HRC may argue otherwise.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

My simply stating that I would not have voted for that ticket doesn't equate to my claiming that a Presidential election is about me.

However, I also know that I am not unique among Sanders supporters. Not all Sanders supporters joined his revolution or voted for Hillary because he said so.

She lost, even though he endorsed her and campaigned for her, for a reason. She lost because millions of Democrats did not even go to the polls, even though he endorsed her and campaigned for her and her GOTV operation is supposedly killer.

For millions, me included, it was not about Sanders as an individual. It was about what he claimed to be fighting for. I donated to him, I volunteered for him and I raised thousands of dollars for him. I have done zip for his revolution. Once he stopped fighting for those things, he lost the support of people like me.

Being Hillary's running mate would have meant nothing but window dressing, lipstick on a pig. It's not as though she would have followed his suggestions, any more than FDR followed Truman's.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

worry what Republics might say about an action. Regardless of what we do, they will say something negative about it."

After a time, I changed "Republicans" to "the right," which includes a lot of people in power in the Democratic and therefore many of the most prolific Democratic posters--a correlation, btw, that is probably not entirely coincidental.

Now, I'll update again: Regardless of what anyone might say, do what is right in your own eyes. I can almost guaranty that someone will say something negative, no matter which course you choose, so you may as well go with the one that sits best with your own conscience. Worrying about anything else is futile and only diverts energy from things that might matter.

Why did Hillary lose? Winning the popular vote by over 2 million votes, but losing the electoral vote by a landslide suggests really poor campaign strategy. However, something like seven million more Democrats came out to vote for Obama than showed up for Hillary; and that is a dramatic statistic as well. Before I knew fully how much of the popular vote she would get, I wrote about other reasons for her loss. I think those reasons still hold on the turn out side of the equation:

http://caucus99percent.com/content/its-not-rocket-science

http://caucus99percent.com/content/5-things-we-learned-or-got-confirmed-...

And, from President Truman: http://caucus99percent.com/content/harry-truman-may-17-1952-americans-de...

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