Climate Scientists May be Wrong, Again (and some thoughts on what that means for the revolution to come)

I'm not here to bash Climate researchers. I'm not a denier or skeptic.

I only wish to point out that, as has occurred in the past, even the best climate models tend to be too cautious in their assumptions. What does that mean? It means the earth is likely to warm faster and reach higher temperatures than many current models predict. Why does this happen? Because the more we learn about all the variables that effect climate, the more we come to know that those factors are far more complex than we imagined. Scientists in this field are by their nature, and thanks to the politicization of the issue, extremely careful about overstating the case for global warming. Unfortunately, when new data is discovered, it often turns out that earlier predictions regarding the rate of warming are less accurate, and the flaw is in underestimating the rapidity of and amount of warming that is most likely to occur

Case in point, this new study published in the respected journal Science (published by the 6 American Association for the Advancement of Science) indicates that current climate models have failed to properly estimate the amount of atmospheric warming likely to occur because they overestimate the cooling effect of clouds, and thus may be underestimating the rate at which warming will occur.

The computer models that predict climate change may be overestimating the cooling power of clouds, new research suggests. If the findings are borne out by further research, it suggests that making progress against global warming will be even harder. [...]

Water droplets reflect more solar radiation back into the sky than ice crystals do. As the atmosphere warms, clouds tend to have more water and less ice in them, and the more watery clouds prevent solar radiation from reaching the earth. Warming is slowed.

With less ice in the mix to start, however, there is less capacity for water to replace ice, said Ivy Tan, an author of the paper and a graduate student at the department of geology and geophysics at Yale University. The result, she said, is more warming.

How much more warming may need to be added to the current models, if this research proves that clouds do not operate to cool the atmosphere as much as previously assumed? Well, the study came up with a figure of 1.3 degrees Celsius more, or an increase of roughly 2.34 degrees Fahrenheit, assuming that this research is duplicated. Nonetheless, many scientists are already acknowledging that because of this flaw in past models, newer models will have to be adjusted to account for this increase. As one researcher put it: "The point is, it’s going to result in a significant amount of warming.” What she means is a significant amount more than is already projected to occur.

As it stands now, some current models are predicting a rise of up to 3 degrees Celcius by 2050, which is far in excess of the recent target of "keeping temperatures from rising by more than 1.5 degrees Celsius over average temperatures in the preindustrial era" established under the Paris agreement last year. We are only 34 years away from 2050. I don't expect to live that long, but my children likely will. And a three degree rise in the global mean temperature will result in catastrophic impacts on human civilization.

A world 3 C warmer would see a significant drop in food production, an increase in urban heat waves akin to the one that killed thousands of people this year in India, and more droughts and wildfires, according to Ray Pierrehumbert, a physics professor at the University of Oxford. [...]

A warmer world would also potentially lead to more refugees, he said, pointing to the refugee crisis currently unfolding in Europe.

“When talking about climate refugees ... [t]he scale of climate migration could dwarf anything we’ve seen,” Pierrehumbert said. Many areas of the densely populated and mostly low-lying country could become uninhabitable within a century if warming continues, he added. [...]

Jason Funk, a senior climate scientist with the Union of Concerned Scientists, said a temperature increase of 3 C would seriously disrupt global economic systems and many people’s livelihoods.

“It could potentially lead to more conflicts because resources will be impacted, and people will be trying to capture access to those resources,” Funk said. “It’s not a pleasant scenario.”

Not a pleasant scenario is an understatement. Here is a more pessimistic view of what we could be facing not by the end of this century, but in less than forty years, assuming we make no headway on changing the status quo regarding greenhouse gas emissions and other variables that will multiply the effects that will flow from the increases in green house gases on our oceans and our atmosphere:

Beyond two degrees ... preventing mass starvation will be as easy as halting the cycles of the moon. First millions, then billions, of people will face an increasingly tough battle to survive.

A three-degree increase in global temperature – possible as early as 2050 – would throw the carbon cycle into reverse. Instead of absorbing carbon dioxide, vegetation and soils start to release it. So much carbon pours into the atmosphere that it pumps up atmospheric concentrations by 250 parts per million by 2100, boosting global warming by another 1.5C.

With new “super-hurricanes” growing from the warming sea, Houston could be destroyed by 2045, and Australia will be a death trap. “Farming and food production will tip into irreversible decline. Salt water will creep up the stricken rivers, poisoning ground water. Higher temperatures mean greater evaporation, further drying out vegetation and soils, and causing huge losses from reservoirs. In state capitals, heat every year is likely to kill between 8,000 and 15,000 mainly elderly people.

It is all too easy to visualise what will happen in Africa. In Central America, too, tens of millions will have little to put on their tables. Even a moderate drought there in 2001 meant hundreds of thousands had to rely on food aid. This won’t be an option when world supplies are stretched to breaking point (grain yields decline by 10% for every degree of heat above 30C, and at 40C they are zero). Nobody need look to the US, which will have problems of its own. As the mountains lose their snow, so cities and farms in the west will lose their water and dried-out forests and grasslands will perish at the first spark.

In short, prepare for something on the scale of a Mad Max doomsday scenario for much of the planet.

Experts agree that if the onslaught of climate change continues unabated, water will be a highly-prized commodity. “The twenty-first-century projections make the [previous] mega-droughts seem like quaint walks through the garden of Eden,” says Jason Smerdon, a Columbia University climate scientist.

Still, we don’t have to project into the future to see the impact of climate change on our water supply. “[I]t doesn't really require much exposition for the audience to buy a degraded world, because we already see evidence of it happening all around us,” Miller said. He’s right, and evidence can be seen all around the globe. Obama noted in his speech Wednesday that “severe drought helped to create the instability in Nigeria that was exploited by the terrorist group Boko Haram.” Meanwhile, California is in the midst of a four-year mega-drought that has led the state to try out rationing policies, and officials in Sao Paolo, Brazil are scrambling to come up with a solution to the city’s water crisis that may leave the city absolutely dry in just a few months. As policy experts work to come up with a solution, city officials are bracing for riots due to unrest. Conflict between states is also a distinct possibility, as many national security experts have predicted an era of “water wars.”

Puts the whole stupid election mudslinging into perspective, doesn't it? It also shows us that we do need a movement that will last long beyond a single election cycle. The world is poised on the brink of food shortages, wars, refugees, plagues, droughts, floods, extreme storms and heat waves the likes of which humanity has never seen before, and it's coming at us faster than a speeding bullet. The current political powers structures in place in much of the world, and certainly here in the United States, are designed to willfully ignore this threat, because they are in thrall to large multi-national corporations that make commodities of human beings.

And those corporations are owned and controlled by a very few individuals who have accumulated wealth at a rate, in in amounts, so massive that to properly convey in a single blog post is impossible. Unfortunately, we know that the richer one becomes, the lower one's feeling of compassion and empathy for others. The welfare of other human beings, much less the survival of the humanity doesn't consume them much, if they think of these matters at all.

What the Sanders' campaign has shown us, if anything, is that any real hope fo changing society so that it focuses on these existential challenges must, and likely only can come from below, from people like you and me. The top of the economic food chain has no interest in seeing these disasters averted. If anything, many of them will no doubt profit mightily from exploiting the crises that are bound to come our way. In short, they have no incentive to address climate change because all they care about is their current stock portfolio, and how to squeeze more money out of the lower classes. Their attitude is exemplified in George W. Bush's famous statement when asked how he thought history would view him. Here's his revealing answer for those for you who don't remember it:

“History,” he replied. “We don’t know. We’ll all be dead.”

I like to believe that my life means more than a meaningless journey over a brief span of time. I like to believe that what I and others like me do today, will matter for the future of individuals I will never know, but for whom I feel great compassion and love. Call it a spiritual attitude, if you like, but I believe we all have some purpose for existing in this universe, and our purpose now, in this moment of time, is to wrest control away from the hands of those few misguided or outright evil people who would not care to stop the death and destruction and misery of billions of human beings simply because that suffering, in the present and which will result in the future, benefits them now.

I hope you agree with at least some of what I have said, because folks, we have a lot of work ahead of us, regardless of the outcome of this year's political election cycle. Necessary work. Difficult work. For some, work that will prove dangerous and perhaps fatal. But work we cannot avoid, and should not evade.

Thank you for your time.

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ChemBob's picture

I've been trying to warn people about the potential for a Mad Max scenario resulting from global warming for years. This situation is far more dire than it seems possible to get the general public to understand.

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I think the climate consensus has also been too conservative regarding methane. Methane hydrate, sequestered in the ocean deeps, and methane, sequestered in the permafrost areas of the world, can reach the atmosphere at very high rates if the warming continues. Methane doesn't last as long in the atmosphere at CO2 but is at least 30X more of a greenhouse gas than CO2.

Methane release from the muskeg is mediated by methane eating bacteria. Below 2C, the methane escapes because the bacteria are inactive. Above 4C, methane escapes because the bacteria are overwhelmed. Between 2C and 4C the bacteria can intercept a varying amount.

Fully one-third of all methane released from the original 48 states comes from cattle. In addition, cattle emit ammonia which falls back to earth as acid rain. The oceans are becoming more acidic and don't need the extra ammonia from cattle(or any other source that humans can control).

I think the situation is out of control and the CO2 in the atmosphere needs to be brought down to 350 at most and to do that
the world needs to stop as much CO2 release as possible not merely slowing the rate of increase as the Paris accords call for.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

Responsibly grazed, cattle are part of the natural process that sequesters carbon in the soil. Grazing animals are part of the process that built our formerly deep rich Midwestern soils.

CAFOs (confined animal feeding operations) are terrible from any angle we look at them. Cattle (or buffalo) have a place in the natural scheme of things.

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That's somewhere between 10 and 50 times as many buffalo as ever roamed the high plains at any given moment.

Their biomass considerably exceeds the human biomass. You'd need to drop the cattle population by a factor of at least 10 to get to something that could be reasonably considered sustainable, regardless of whether they're on feedlots or range.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

When that's done, they're each a net positive. On range can also be abused, with overstocking and killing off competing wildlife.

We can't eliminate one part of a natural system and expect it to continue to function well. Herbs need herbivores.

I've seen estimates that bare soil, for our regularly plowed up monoculture grains (always in surplus, often losses for farmers, & unwholesome feed for the CAFO animals) is the or one of the main sources of CO2.

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Martha Pearce-Smith's picture

a "doomer".... because people just tune it out.

edited to add: I would never have felt comfortable about discussing this at TOP.... this could fall under the CT ban over there...

You are right on the mark my friend... IMO, it will not mean the end of life....but the end of life as we now know it. And those of us who think ahead and work with others within our own communities may just survive... perhaps even thrive. But it is going to be a VERY different way of life than we have now.

Forget about global...and start thinking local... that is the first step.

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I generally found denial or lack or true understanding (some night and green diaries being the exception). The only way we can have any chance at truly alleviating the effects of climate change (we are far too late to avoid them and probably far too late to really alleviate them), is by facing them head on. If we don't do it now, we'll have to do when it gets really bad. My sister and father are overseas at the moment and both of them are noting that climate change is causing issues regarding food production.

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was the one with people who figuratively thrust out their bottom lips and asserted, "The American people will never accept Blahblah", where blahblah was any of several inevitabilities, that the American people most certainly will be accepting, at some point in the future, the only questions being:

A: How much misery and suffering will the American people insist on projecting onto others around the world (or for that matter, in Mississippi) to forestall the inevitable?
B: How well will the American people prepare themselves, as individuals and as a society, so that the great down-ramping of material self-indulgence is a controlled deceleration, rather than a brakes-failed runaway train headed straight for downtown.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

arming yourselves, moving into those sanctuary areas, and taking out the elites who thought to ride out the storm in their safe places.
Have no doubt that once the vast majority of mankind is dead the forces driving climate change will be drastically reduced.
And the earth will recover.
Have no doubt that the elites know this full well. They have since at least the 1970's.
We have study upon study showing the elites to be megalomaniacal, non-empathetic warped people.
All throughout history we have seen their willingness to commit mass murder to further their twisted selfish agendas.
We discount such a scenario at our peril.
The battle for the planet earth is now. We are at the dawn before the arrows fly.

I've been shouting this into the wind for over 20 years, nearly 30 years now.
Prepare your children, the time is late.

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

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For the past few years, I've been trying to convince my husband that it's time to leave Southern California. Somehow the earthquakes, fires, traffic, and insane real estate prices just weren't doing it.

But with the drought dragging on, he's finally started to come around. Then we asked a friend of ours who has worked for the Department of Interior for most of her career as a water expert. She said (paraphrasing), "You can forget the southwest and California. That's over. Even the Pacific Northwest only has about 50 years of water left."

So we don't know yet where to go, but at least we're going! Okies in reverse, I guess. Why everyone's hair isn't on fire over this, I'll never understand.

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Hell is empty and all the devils are here. William Shakespeare

mhagle's picture

peninsula of Michigan, if you plan to stay in the US. On the shores of the biggest fresh water lake, probably the least polluted . . . property prices are really cheap. Although their governor is an asshole!

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

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Originally from Michigan, and I like the idea of going "home." This is going on the top of the list (it's a very short list, as you probably can imagine).

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Hell is empty and all the devils are here. William Shakespeare

Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore is a beautiful area and the Porcupine Mountains are nice to hike in. The UP is almost free of allergens so hay fever sufferers and asthmatics will find relief there. Nice call.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

Szaephod's picture

Were intentionally biased toward underestimating the changes. This is not scientific malfeasance, but trepid (and sometimes even subconscious) selection of models that under-ran. Why? Because what the models were telling many analysts was unbelievably bad. As it is, we had an international industry created to produce false-fact rebuttals to the (as it turned out) milquetoast predictions.

For our global "civilization" to survive what's coming, we're going to need to embark on a concerted technological effort that will dwarf those of our last coordinated (but not cooperative) global mobilization - World War 2. It will involve conversion of energy production, coordinated with transportation and food production (and by that I emphatically do not mean a different kind of factory farming.)

It will also mean, as I was discussing with DMW a few weeks ago, geo-engineering, unfortunately. Iron-seeding oceans to absorb CO2, and de-acidify, putting stuff in orbit, dust, ice, etc., to reflect energy. There are a lot of options - all of them mind-boggling risky and therefore scary, but all of them will be on the table, when the first mega-storms start running ashore, and 10's of millions of people at a time start streaming across borders.

Whether we have recaptured and invigorated our democracy before the brunt of this hits us will likely determine whether we descend all the way into fascism (we're 2/3 of the way there already). I think that's one reason we are all looking at Senator Sanders as the means to set the stage for the very, very difficult times ahead, and to redirect our ship of state into a passage that can possibly successfully navigate the bleak future that looms.

Some (not here) deride our enthusiasm for Sen. Sanders as 'messianic', which misses the point entirely. If the New Deal Democracy established by FDR had been maintained, and not systematically dismantled, Bernie wouldn't even be running, and a middle-of-the-road Republican (like Eisenhower) would be a fine choice. Bernie promises to bring us back to a responsive, moral, enlightened governance that can make a fair play at addressing the real challenges before us, instead of working monomaniacally toward enriching the already enriched, while ignoring the the biosphere melting down.

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The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington

Blue Dragon's picture

to the effect that scientists are skimming off the worst of their data trends.

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May the dolphins, whales and furry things inherit the world. Humans, unless we do an about face, have just about proven we don't deserve this beautiful planet.

moneysmith's picture

they're reluctant to really go into the horror show they see developing. This article talks about why they're reluctant to speak out and how bad things actually are.

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Blue Dragon's picture

is nigh on impossible for the vast majority of people. I posted here about Guy McPherson a few weeks ago and got little response and most of it of the "he is too extreme and must have a hidden agenda" variety. Naomi Klein was just on my campus, and I got a lot of time sitting next to her. Even she is unable to contemplate human extinction in near future. She has a four year old, after all.

But, personally, I think the steady stream of "it is worse than we thought," "scientists are altering their reports to downplay the severity because they feel powers that be will stop listening," etc. are signs that we are far, far into a cascading crisis.

It seems certain that billions will die before we will witness a significant change in human behavior. I simply don't believe the 1% can significantly isolate themselves although I could be wrong. Will some of them survive longer in their Noah's Ark compounds? Probably. Will it be enough to keep their "system" in power. I don't see how.

I do believe that local communities of well organized and bonded individuals are a baseline requirement for any real action, but until significant numbers of formerly middle class Americans get this, we won't have the kind of profile which can succeed. And all the -isms are as strong as ever, just in different clothing and attacking in different ways beyond the headlines.

I consider myself a post socialist as I believe socialism would be sufficient to make most human live better absent climate change. But insofar as socialism operates inside capitalism, it will not protect the planet.

Gaia is going to reduce the human population but it will necessarily take a huge chunk of the non-human life forms down at the same time.

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May the dolphins, whales and furry things inherit the world. Humans, unless we do an about face, have just about proven we don't deserve this beautiful planet.

An earth ice-ball anyway. Extreme heat, as fast as this is going, who knows?

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lotlizard's picture

Handy tips on how to behave at the death of the world

Sometimes it comes in a dream, and sometimes in one more newspaper headline. And then you know. With your cells and past and future you know. It's over. We are killing it all and soon it all will be dead. We are here at the death of the world—killers, witnesses, and those who will die. How then shall we live?

This constitutes thank you note and note of apology to the whole history of the planet. I mean it has been rather great, sunsets, oceans, some art, some moments between beings, smells of fresh mornings. As we kill it all by dominance habits too huge to stop, we can thank it for the good times and say sorry by changing our own participation in the dominance stuff in some profound way. Doing this kind of change will involve confusion, embarrassment and awareness of activities and attitudes you have not been conscious of. Doing this kind of change will involve increased aliveness for you personally, a fine thing to bring to a dying planet.

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Pricknick's picture

every day that our existence remains.
We're just a blemish on what the world has to offer until the sun burns out.
Five billion years at last estimate.
My hope is that the human race, as it exists today, will perish before it pollutes other worlds.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

TheOtherMaven's picture

are God's quarantine regulations.

He meant it literally.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

Pricknick's picture

every day that our existence remains.
We're just a blemish on what the world has to offer until the sun burns out.
Five billion years at last estimate.
My hope is that the human race, as it exists today, will perish before it pollutes other worlds.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

They do have to be conservative in what they say, after all, the scientific method is the cornerstone of science. They will say publicly only what they have proof way beyond a reasonable doubt. The problem is that they know a lot more than they are saying, and what they know is not good. We are really fucked, and it's not surprising. We have twisted all of the dials that determine the Earth's climate, and we think that we can get away with this. The rationale that I hear is that technology will come to our rescue, therefore we will save the planet. The planet is mighty big and about the only way that we have been able to effect overall climate is by the release of GHGs. We haven't yet come up with a viable scheme to sequester carbon. I suppose we could combine the carbon with hydrogen atoms, forming hydrocarbons that we bury in stable geological structures. Oh wait a second, this is what life and the planet have already done for us and it would appear that we would have to produce almost as much energy as we have extracted over all of time from fossil fuels to do this.

The bottom line for me is that environmental scientists have already strongly proved that we are screwed. The only rational reaction is to start about the task of designing a totally sustainable civilization, and that means no fossil fuel extraction. We have to drastically reduce our footprint, and give up the idea of unlimited growth. At the same time we need to repair the damage. Meanwhile you need to move to higher elevations in an area that has a long growing season, fertile soils and moderate temperatures, that are still moderate after 6 degrees C of warming. There are some area in Siberia that meet these requirements. I'll see you there.

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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.

We need to plant perennials (fruit/nut trees, bushes, forbs) and keep the soil covered, pretty much what permaculture says. Localize and depend on low-tech as much as possible for our needs. Graze herbivores on well-managed pastures.

Hugelkulture is building big piles of logs, branches, etc., covering them with soil and planting them solidly. It sequesters carbon and the rotting wood holds moisture in even drought conditions. Interesting!

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acquaintance upset some of the more Greenish students in his Gen Ed Intro to Meteorology course, when he told them that rather than preserving the old growth rainforest trees, the best thing to do might be cut them down and bury them in the desert, allowing new large carbon-sequestering trees to replace them.

It's a tough sell.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Cassiodorus's picture

The problem is climate change under capitalism.

It looks so bad because there's really nothing we can do about it under the current form of global social organization. Capitalist society is organized so that the capitalists, their managerial favorites in tow, can move to Alaska and say "buh-bye" to the rest of us. None of the figures mean anything compared to the matter of whether or not we can do anything about it -- and right now we can't do anything about it because we're stuck with capitalism. (Hint: socialist revolution could change that!)

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The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.

Elect Bernie...or die.

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moneysmith's picture

n/t

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Hell is empty and all the devils are here. William Shakespeare

troubled about somebody's ethics, that's even more troubling than whatever troubled David Geffen.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Hawkfish's picture

Kind of terrifying really.

This is why I'm willing to vote for Hillary this year. I'm willing to sacrifice a lot to make sure we still have a planet to squabble over. She won't do much, but at least she probably won't sabotage everything, and we have no margin for error.

Any other year I'd tell them all to go to hell.

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg

isn't good enough for me,as far as I can tell hrc is no different than any of the repubs.all you have to do is look at her record,campaign funding and her flip flopping on the issue.

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$15 dollars at a time, I am betting on Bernie winning this thing. If it doesn't happen, how do we keep the folks motivated and continuing to believe that transformative change is still possible and that giving up is not an option? I think without a single leader with a finite timeline for a battle, people can become fatigued and disillusioned, taking to heart what Hillary and the media and DNC have been saying all along - that we must accept the "realities" of our system.

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This is a comment I wrote in another thread earlier today . . .

Unfortunately, I think Mother Nature will convince us pretty soon. I think even before the election. James Hansen's latest article about super storms . . . we have had several already. Super Storm Sandy of course = hurricane meets winter storm. The big snow storm in DC last year was the result of a storm from the north crashing with a storm from the south. This massive El Nino' that dumped 80 inches of rain on me last year. That was a collision of sorts as well, because the jet stream was going crazy and running a north/south pattern through Texas . . . sucking up the moisture from the Gulf, topping it off with Hurricane Patricia. The hurricane only dumped one inch on us, the other 19 inches of rain that weekend came from the other event.

And now we have been having this really warm winter. I have been playing it, trying garden as quick as I can.

But the sun is so damn hot. Even if the temperature is 60, if you are standing in the sun, you feel it's oppressive heat. And the sunshine is a different color this year. I feel like I am in one of those freaky sci-fi movies like "War of the Worlds."

Another scary superstorm event were the 30 ft ocean waves last year. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/giant-waves-quickly-destroy-ar... This would certainly screw with shipping!!

Thank you Steven for writing this eloquent diary. You said it so well.

Over at DK we did have a few who wrote great climate articles. MB of course, but also sinkypoo and Alan West.

I believe it is important that we take a harsh stance on this issue. Last spring I broke my ankle and spent months watching climate change videos. I always have been a tree hugger, but when hundreds of trees died around my house in August of 2012 from the Mexican Soapberry Borer Beetle, than can now survive further north, (Texas Forestry Service scientists confirmed this) I started to freak out about it.

My kids are teenagers. I care about the planet being OK for them!

What do we do?

  1. Transitional Communities
  2. Elect Bernie
  3. Talk it up with our friends and families
  4. Make our own energy where ever we can
  5. Grow our own food
  6. Recycle and sew clothes
  7. Barter
  8. Make this fun by good food, good wine, good friends/family
  9. Make your own music
  10. Getting late . . .

    I would love to move out of Texas and back home north . . . but my husband is a staunch Texas native. So what do I do? Maybe I have to try to figure out how to do it here. I still am a part owner of the family farm in Iowa - maybe we bug out there?

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

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We're already planning to move back there as soon as hubby is done with college. I grew up on a farm and I know how to grow food. I would love to make my own clothes, although even that is becoming prohibitively expensive; have you seen the price of fabric lately?!

Anyway, none of it will do me any good if society totally collapses and I can't get insulin one day.

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This shit is bananas.

mhagle's picture

Albert Lea. Lived in Owatonna. Love MN!!

My husband is diabetic too. It's a complication indeed.

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

I have however, seen Albert Lee, playing with Clapton on the Money and Cigarettes tour.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Pricknick's picture

You left out "and weed".

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

Lots of them are actually good food, and good medicine.

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moneysmith's picture

have lots of health benefits.

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Hell is empty and all the devils are here. William Shakespeare

Alison Wunderland's picture

They're only weeds if your intent is to control nature. A more helpful way of looking at them would be to consider them as feral plants.

And yes, there are many, many, many that useful purposes. Just off the top of my head (and in abundance our my garden):

Lambs' Quarters
Wood Sorrel
Violets (shitty link... no depth)
Ground Ivy
Epazote
Burdock

Anyone really interested in the subject owes it to him/herself to acquire Idebtifying and Harvesting Edible and Medicinal Plants - in Wild (and not so Wild) Places,/a>

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Although actually I think feral is formerly-domestic, but it's still lovely. Lots to learn about wild edibles!

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I'd love to be more complacent about the burdock that grows next to my driveway, but its single most negative characteristic is that the big plants collect and hold rainwater -- in which the mosquitoes breed like teensy, buzzing, bloodsucking rabbits.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Lenzabi's picture

we were supposed to be trying harder to save Earth around 1970, but we got that all covered over, or shifted to other nations to do and get the dirty work and suffer what we tried to correct, yet the "Super-Fund sites" are still not finished and they love to cut funding from the budget. Now add that to the other issues and the scenario will be bad, I have had people I know ask me to not go so dark and dire of the future as short as it will be. We do seem stuck on stupid as a species.

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So long, and thanks for all the fish

I strongly recommend Naomi Klein's This Changes Everything -Capitalism vs The Climate. My half-read copy has so many passages underlined I can't pick one out to quote. Be prepared to gnash your teeth and wail when you read it. CC has been compared to a vehicle with an accelerator but no breaks. You don't stop when you take your foot off. It is actually worse than that. Icecaps reflect, oceans are a heat-sink. Etc., etc. Klein's section on how World Trade fits into the equation is especially disheartening. T S Eliot may be right about the World ending “not with a bang, but with a whimper”.

I may actually vote for Trump over Hillary, if it comes to that, because Hillary would most likely be 8 yrs and Trump most certainly will be 4, and we have, at most, ten years to make changes too radical to bring up at any luncheon at The Country Club. That is, if we are going to retain some semblance of Civilization as we know it.

No comments about voting for Trump, please. I don't think I really could and I know how Fascism might take root and thrive as Civilization crumbles.

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defaultcitizen

And I really think Hillary would up the odds of that.

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Alison Wunderland's picture

World Clock -- Breeding like fleas continues unabated.

Religion is taken for granted as opposed to a mental illness.

Rapa Nui -- There are consequences to actions.

Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure.

In the long run, we're just farts in a whirlwind. Gaia has experienced much worse.

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Alison Wunderland's picture

Agriculture set the stage for the entire paradigm we have developed to its logical conclusion.

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Sorry, Feds: Kids Can Sue Over Climate Negligence, Judge Says

A group of youngsters just won a major decision in their efforts to sue the federal government over climate change. An Oregon judge ruled Friday that their lawsuit, which alleges the government violated the constitutional rights of the next generation by allowing the pollution that has caused climate change, can go forward.
Federal District Court Magistrate Judge Thomas Coffin ruled against the federal government and fossil fuel companies’ motions to dismiss the case, deciding in favor of 21 young plaintiffs and Dr. James Hansen.

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The suit is based in part on the idea of the public trust — the same doctrine that guides the Clean Water Act. Under the idea of public trust, governments must protect commonly held elements, such as waterways and the seashore, for public use. Under this lawsuit, the plaintiffs allege that the climate and atmosphere must be likewise protected.

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