first time this evening in CA.
Statewide results
16,623/22,359 precincts (74.3%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
1,601,678
56.6%
Bernie Sanders
1,199,750
42.4%
2,829,176 total votes
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Just a bit. But I live a life of leisure, and can invert my nights and days, or break them up however it strikes me. And I really like the hours pre-sunrise, all seasons, to watch the sky go through its various color changes through Nautical twilight to full sunrise/nautical twilight again.
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is more like it. Timing was perfect to be around for the extended death of spouse. Nearly 6 years ago. I have proved pro at burning through retirement funds. Who knew?
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I can't even commiserate on the spouse side of things, but I can attest to how fast funds disappear.
Particularly when your in a state 457(b) plan that is basically just mutual funds. Then couple that with life's other unexpected expenses?
Let's just say people like you and me are the epitome of those that slipped through the cracks.
I am still to this day maybe less than one significant expense or unfortuante circumstance away from losing everything I have and living in a cardboard box, just like a whole bunch of other Americans.
I think that is why the Sanders movement is taking hold so strongly, there are just too many used to have's and never had's then there has ever been in modern America.
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the light at the end of the tunnel just being another oncoming train.
It just seems like 2 steps forward 3 steps back no matter the fact that you spent your entire life doing everything that society said you needed to do to get ahead.
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yet again, while prices rise, my school taxes will be going up 3%, petromarkets drift up. Netflix is threatening a monthly price increase. What to cut? I have a few things I have not yet converted to ca$h, none that are likely barter items.
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The majority (or at least, those whose votes were allowed to go through) voted for the two candidates most likely to keep SS the same or cut it. Expand SS? No, we can't!
Ah, I'm being pessimistic. The Anointed One came around on this I think, at least temporarily.
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Well, we’re waiting here in Allentown
For the Pennsylvania we never found
For the promises our teachers gave
If we worked hard
If we behaved
So the graduations hang on the wall
But they never really helped us at all
No, they never taught us what was real
Iron and coke
And chromium steel
And we’re waiting here in Allentown
But they’ve taken all the coal from the ground
And the union people crawled away
Every child had a pretty good shot
To get at least as far as their old man got
But something happened on the way to that place
They threw an American flag in our face
In general, through closed, open primaries/caucuses over 40% of votes have been for Sanders or anti-Clinton? If 40% of the formerly acceptable Dems took a walk, would the Party notice?
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if there were videos going viral of people burning their membership cards! They wouldn't admit it but thy would notice. No donations no votes.Hit them where it hurts..pocketbook!
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If I got one at 21, long gone in many moves. I still have my original Social Security card, needed for a job at 16, had to get a signoff from the school district. I carried that in my wallet for 40 years. I guess that means I keep track of wallets. Now in a fire safe at home, with the signature of a 16 year-old, nothing like my current artistic scribble. Both my children got assigned numbers @ birth of latter, in hospital. Their SSNs are 2 digits apart. Slow transcriber. I have not seen their cards, ever. Just have the numbers stored on paper, in the fire safe.
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I must confess, Alphalop, I though your handle had nothing to do with LE, I connected it to a very large rabbit. Thought you might be amused.
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The S.D.'s deciding that control of the Democratic party isn't worth a Donald Trump Victory.
Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster himself flying down and resting his noodly appendages on Bernies podium to win the Democratic Primary.
Now, the election? That's a whole 'nother ball game.
With the Libertarian candidate entering the race that already turns it into a 3 way race, siphoning of the saner conservative voters to him, Trump takes the Far RWNJ group, Hillary takes the NeoCon's.
That leaves the Progressives and the Democratic leaning, but fed up with the party, independents ripe for the plucking for a Sanders/Stein ticket.
I don't have a doubt in my mind that they can win the popular vote in a 4 way race.
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And if nobody gets 270 electoral votes...we really haven't been there since 1824, since 1876 and 2000 received quick and dirty (very, very dirty) fixes that didn't involve the full Constitutional procedure.
(note the cheesy names) mixed and heated with a can of Ro-tel tomatoes. Until about 2000, my island had a Kraft Cheese factory. Gone now, boat storage.
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plus messy. Buying from an outlet that you like is fine. Hell, I eat port wine cheese spread if I go shopping hungry!
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All good, I am a white (non-colored) cheddar girl myself and a gorg and bleu adorer. Gorg is cheaper, feta is good, too.
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I was reicing my tea, and eyeballing a new container of salted cashews. And then I looked at the price. $6.99 for 8 oz. The price of a Whopper, not meal. Maybe later, no to whopper. I have been thinking chinese takeout for several days. A lunch plate can fix me for a day.
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for deliveries of anything, except groceries, which I have yet to try. But only 5-6 miles, one way to get stuff carry out. Even from restaurants. Good pizza farther, but flatbread or naan pizza I can do at home. With all the basic food groups.
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too much sugar - including the sugar in alcohol - our bodies crave protein and/or fat to balance it out, which in turn will slow down the absorption of any further sugar.
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in every Italian mob movie ever made either before or after a killing there is a scene where they are eating?
It's the same thing with Funerals, every funeral (I'm a Diego) that I have ever been to has been a damn Buffet.
There is something about death, tragedy and food that has some kind of cultural or species behavior pattern. They are oddly intertwined, but nowhere more pronounced that I can think of than Italian culture.
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It's a progressive modern classic, I love the video even more than the music from a cinematography standpoint. (And it's got Michael Moore being arrested in it as an added bonus.)
I just can't wrap my head around it.
Statewide results
19,249/22,359 precincts (86%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
1,722,440
56.2%
Bernie Sanders
1,310,985
42.8%
3,063,178 total votes
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I mean, this is so far outside of polling projections coupled with the other stuff that has already occurred really makes me think some Shenanigans have gone on tonight.
If they were gonna steal it they should have at least made it believable....
Statewide results
20,509/22,359 precincts (91.7%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
1,803,496
56.0%
Bernie Sanders
1,383,976
43.0%
3,218,406 total votes
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I have been on here since about 4PM EST and really starting to fade now. If we don't get more updates soon I am gonna toss in the towel and become one with the mattress.
Statewide results
20,609/22,359 precincts (92.1%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
1,808,090
56.0%
Bernie Sanders
1,388,764
43.0%
3,227,880 total votes
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93% of the vote counted, and Hillary leading by 13 points, the AP has finally called the race and declared Hillary the winner in California.
What I find so extremely unusual in this very late announcement is that it in no way compares with prior announcements of Hillary being declared the winner in many other states. For the past several hours. I've watched the results come in. I watched early counties flip from Hillary to Bernie. But as the night wore on, the only counties left with outstanding votes were large counties, mostly in the south, where Hillary had enormous leads. Sometimes more than 20 points. My question? Why did they wait so long this time to call the race for Clinton? It doesn't make sense.
I've watched other races where Hillary was declared the winner an hour after polls closed while leading by 10 points when the actual results turned out to far closer. There really hasn't been any chance that Bernie could ever make up for Hillary's lead for a at least 2 or 3 hours now. Why didn't they call this long ago?
I'm going full CT now, because it's acceptable here to point out that some things are difficult to believe without having extraordinary evidence to backup your point. Did the early announcement of Hillary's "victory" affect turnout today? No question! Did other shenanigans like provisional ballots for independents make a difference? Very likely! Was this election manipulated internally? I wouldn't be surprised. Did the media want to downplay the manipulation by pretending that the race was was close to mask the manipulation of the results and give the appearance that this was a close contest until everyone got tired and went to sleep? I'll let you answer that question!
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George W. Bush
to move, I'm going to bed in a few minutes. Good morning, OLinda! The Anointed One has 2184 pledged delegates. There are about 70 outstanding. She does not have enough to win without supers. It's a contested convention. Sure wish we had brought it closer, though!
Bern should hire private investigators to determine what election fraud might have occurred in every race he lost. And wherever any is found, sue their rumps off to claim his delegates. Not that I believe in CT or anything.
See y'all after I get some (more) sleep.
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from NYT and I see I have a different number on Hillary's total than what you have. It is still not the magic number whatever it is.
I enjoyed our discussions tonight!
I agree about investigating the voting. Bernie is a fighter that is for sure. Maybe he will. You would think some organization would step in. Someone mentioned somewhere here tonight that we need to ask the U.N to monitor our elections. Good idea. Too late for this one though.
2383 - 1852 = 531 more supers needed to win. looks grim. I don't know why I'm looking at this. Good to know though, I suppose.
Not only is it disgusting that there even are superdelegates, it is extra ridiculous how many there are. Also from The Guardian, Hillary has 571, Bernie 48, so 619 Supers!! Good grief. I don't think that all of them have announced their preference, so I believe there are even more. I'd really like to have a list of all of their names.
531 supers needed to win posted above should be a combination of supers and regular delegates that equal 531 are needed. There are 20 regulars still available from WA. DC. and some probably still being tallied from Tuesday's voting. When we have the final count from voting, then we'll know how many supers are needed. A lot, however.
multiple frozen fruity drinks overnight - must be all those vitamins in the fruit!
We must have just stressed so much we burned the alcohol right off. The company was great, though.
Clearly, Hill will be the nom unless they indict her before the convention. Dammit. But she has not proven that she is generally popular, quite the opposite.
So: Take a chance on splitting the vote or vote against Trump? I still plan on waiting to see what happens at the convention, but I lean toward taking a chance.
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We have been doing the same things since the 90's, settled for incrementalism and all it has done is slowly drag the party further and further to the right to the point where we now have two RW parties and no left to speak of.
So yeah, at this point I don't see any reason to not take a chance, because one thing is certain, Clinton will be a disaster and set back the cause for at least another decade.
Which brings to mind that old adage about insanity.
I am done engaging in insane behavior out of fear.
And for some reason that I can't fully articulate, making the decision to no longer vote against, only for, candidates has been oddly freeing now that I know that it will be the course I will chart for the rest of my voting days.
Maybe it's just because for the first time I will be able to vote and not feel the need to take a shower afterwards?
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With 74% reporting, Clinton's lead is down to under 15 for the
first time this evening in CA.
Statewide results
16,623/22,359 precincts (74.3%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
1,601,678
56.6%
Bernie Sanders
1,199,750
42.4%
2,829,176 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
The Anointed One is at 56.6%. It's mighty slow going though.
Do we have reason to think some of the unreported areas will be more heavily for Bern than what we're seeing so far?
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I have Long Islanded my iced tea.
Just a bit. But I live a life of leisure, and can invert my nights and days, or break them up however it strikes me. And I really like the hours pre-sunrise, all seasons, to watch the sky go through its various color changes through Nautical twilight to full sunrise/nautical twilight again.
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Ahhh,a fellow Retiree or just self employed? Or both?
as in my case, lol!
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Fellow forced out/burned out pretending to do something
is more like it. Timing was perfect to be around for the extended death of spouse. Nearly 6 years ago. I have proved pro at burning through retirement funds. Who knew?
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I feel that partially at least.
I can't even commiserate on the spouse side of things, but I can attest to how fast funds disappear.
Particularly when your in a state 457(b) plan that is basically just mutual funds. Then couple that with life's other unexpected expenses?
Let's just say people like you and me are the epitome of those that slipped through the cracks.
I am still to this day maybe less than one significant expense or unfortuante circumstance away from losing everything I have and living in a cardboard box, just like a whole bunch of other Americans.
I think that is why the Sanders movement is taking hold so strongly, there are just too many used to have's and never had's then there has ever been in modern America.
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Yes! Used to have, and no matter how hard you work,
always playing catchup, then sliding backward again.
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EXACTLY! It's gotten so bad that my wife and I joke about
the light at the end of the tunnel just being another oncoming train.
It just seems like 2 steps forward 3 steps back no matter the fact that you spent your entire life doing everything that society said you needed to do to get ahead.
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It's truly frustrating when you realize you've gotten educated,
changed jobs to get ahead, gotten some promotions, feel like you're winning, make more money than ever....
Then realize that you've still lost purchasing power.
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And I assume there will no Social Security increase
yet again, while prices rise, my school taxes will be going up 3%, petromarkets drift up. Netflix is threatening a monthly price increase. What to cut? I have a few things I have not yet converted to ca$h, none that are likely barter items.
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Why should they think they have to increase COLAs?
The majority (or at least, those whose votes were allowed to go through) voted for the two candidates most likely to keep SS the same or cut it. Expand SS? No, we can't!
Ah, I'm being pessimistic. The Anointed One came around on this I think, at least temporarily.
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We’re *all* Allentown now.
— Billy Joel, “Allentown”
I am honestly surprised that map is the colors it is.
I fully expected the north and east to go to Clinton with most of the coast and south going to Sanders.
I obviously have no frigging idea what I am talking about and probably shouldn't host a political live blog, lol!
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Partie troisieme is ok franglais.
In general, through closed, open primaries/caucuses over 40% of votes have been for Sanders or anti-Clinton? If 40% of the formerly acceptable Dems took a walk, would the Party notice?
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I think they would notice
if there were videos going viral of people burning their membership cards! They wouldn't admit it but thy would notice. No donations no votes.Hit them where it hurts..pocketbook!
" El pueblo unido jamás será vencido. The people united will never be defeated "
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If I got one at 21, long gone in many moves. I still have my original Social Security card, needed for a job at 16, had to get a signoff from the school district. I carried that in my wallet for 40 years. I guess that means I keep track of wallets. Now in a fire safe at home, with the signature of a 16 year-old, nothing like my current artistic scribble. Both my children got assigned numbers @ birth of latter, in hospital. Their SSNs are 2 digits apart. Slow transcriber. I have not seen their cards, ever. Just have the numbers stored on paper, in the fire safe.
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Don't be a nitpick!
" El pueblo unido jamás será vencido. The people united will never be defeated "
Woohoo! I just saw that part Deux made the front page...
and at the top no less!
I honestly feel like I have won some kind of award, lol!
I really need to make a gif of me doing my "Happy Dance" for such occasions.
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Front Page!
Maybe you should edit the title to put riverlover's "Partie troisieme." Let's show how cultured we are.
Naaa, I will stick with the gutter speak down here with you
common types.
You're my people.
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okay.
On that note, I'm going back to bed. Hope it takes this time. It is 3:15AM here. Definitely time to lie down for awhile.
Thank you for the live blog, Alpha. It's been a blast. (Except for the CA part.)
Take care, and good night everybody.
Good night, OL! You never know, maybe some part of Cali
will rescue us and give good final numbers.
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Way to go! For now, Snoopy!
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Ok, just to break the silence, here is another AleStorm tune.
Pirate Rock Rocks!!!
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Thanks for Part Trois (my French), alpha.
It's cleared up the problems I
was having with the super-long
Part Deux.
Only connect. - E.M. Forster
Excellent! My bad for not taking care of it sooner.
I just assumed since I wasn't having issues nobody else was, but I failed to take into account mobile devices.
Showing my age there I guess, lol!
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Waaay later in the day, still functional
I must confess, Alphalop, I though your handle had nothing to do with LE, I connected it to a very large rabbit. Thought you might be amused.
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Indeed, the things people think my name means are way more
interesting then the actual reality.
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80.2% Reporting in CA. Still slowly closing the gap...
Statewide results
17,924/22,359 precincts (80.1%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
1,649,194
56.5%
Bernie Sanders
1,242,644
42.6%
2,920,429 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Too slowly. Sigh. Is there nowhere a cluster of Bern votes
that can save us??
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Sadly, and painfully to admit, there are only a few things that
can save us now.
The FBI.
The S.D.'s deciding that control of the Democratic party isn't worth a Donald Trump Victory.
Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster himself flying down and resting his noodly appendages on Bernies podium to win the Democratic Primary.
Now, the election? That's a whole 'nother ball game.
With the Libertarian candidate entering the race that already turns it into a 3 way race, siphoning of the saner conservative voters to him, Trump takes the Far RWNJ group, Hillary takes the NeoCon's.
That leaves the Progressives and the Democratic leaning, but fed up with the party, independents ripe for the plucking for a Sanders/Stein ticket.
I don't have a doubt in my mind that they can win the popular vote in a 4 way race.
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save us now
Or doesn't HRC have a secluded island somewhere she can secret away to with her stashed money, now that she has tasted victory... and leave us alone?
The popular vote doesn't mean squat
if you can't get 270 electoral votes.
And if nobody gets 270 electoral votes...we really haven't been there since 1824, since 1876 and 2000 received quick and dirty (very, very dirty) fixes that didn't involve the full Constitutional procedure.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
I really need to get up to Philly...
Not so much for the convention, I could just really go for a CheeseSteak right now.
I miss being able to pick up the phone at 4AM and having whatever you wanted brought to your home.
But I don't miss it enough to go back to city life.
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The Nazis had “Kraft durch Freude”
Philadelphians have “Freude durch Kraft — Cheez Whiz.”
And then there is Cheez Whiz or Velveeta
(note the cheesy names) mixed and heated with a can of Ro-tel tomatoes. Until about 2000, my island had a Kraft Cheese factory. Gone now, boat storage.
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Neither! That shit is gross. I am a Provolone guy. :)
(OK, So my South Jersey roots are showing, it's a long standing fight, lol!)
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“gross,” or as Michael Pollan says, “edible foodlike substances”
http://ediblefoodlikesubstance.com/
That may become one of my new favorite weird sites
to go to.
Right next to Engrish.com A site that I have a couple items on.
There is something about bad translations that I just find completely hilarious.
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I like them all. Anything even vaguely cheesy is good to me!
Beer cheese is one of my faves.
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Beer cheese is fun to make, but a chore
plus messy. Buying from an outlet that you like is fine. Hell, I eat port wine cheese spread if I go shopping hungry!
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I don't make it myself. There are plenty of good ones to
choose from around here. Yes, port wine cheese is another favorite!
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So we can agree we have no snooty cheese tastes?
All good, I am a white (non-colored) cheddar girl myself and a gorg and bleu adorer. Gorg is cheaper, feta is good, too.
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oh, so funny ... /nt
Funny how thoughts turn to food.
I was reicing my tea, and eyeballing a new container of salted cashews. And then I looked at the price. $6.99 for 8 oz. The price of a Whopper, not meal. Maybe later, no to whopper. I have been thinking chinese takeout for several days. A lunch plate can fix me for a day.
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I love my Chinese place. Every time I call them they yell
"We Deliver 45 Minute!" into the phone, and every time they are here in like 15-20 tops.
I swore one time I was hanging up the phone when they rang the damn doorbell...
More and more I suspect that all Chinese delivery guys are secret time travelers with their own 4 wheeled version of the Tardis.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Too far out in the boonies
for deliveries of anything, except groceries, which I have yet to try. But only 5-6 miles, one way to get stuff carry out. Even from restaurants. Good pizza farther, but flatbread or naan pizza I can do at home. With all the basic food groups.
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I have gotten spoiled since moving, I used to drive 45 mins to
get to the next closest town, which didn't even have a Wal-mart it was so small, to buy groceries.
You get used to it, but I sure don't miss it.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Maybe not so funny. It seems to me that any time we ingest
too much sugar - including the sugar in alcohol - our bodies crave protein and/or fat to balance it out, which in turn will slow down the absorption of any further sugar.
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Speaking of food associations, Did you ever notice how
in every Italian mob movie ever made either before or after a killing there is a scene where they are eating?
It's the same thing with Funerals, every funeral (I'm a Diego) that I have ever been to has been a damn Buffet.
There is something about death, tragedy and food that has some kind of cultural or species behavior pattern. They are oddly intertwined, but nowhere more pronounced that I can think of than Italian culture.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Actually, I've never watched an Italian mob movie!
I feel so uncultured. But funerals have always fed people. Life goes on? Have to eat to keep up your strength?
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OMG, I have a mission for you.
You need to go and make a lasagna, grab a bottle of Chianti and watch Goodfella's, the first two Godfathers, and then maybe Casino.
You can probably skip the third in the GodFather trilogy, it was pretty much garbage.
I expect a full report when you are done.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
How about I just do the first two?
I mean, what's the point? Cheer for the bad guys? That's what the DNC wants me to do (heh).
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Ok, here is another song to liven things up while we wait..
It's a progressive modern classic, I love the video even more than the music from a cinematography standpoint. (And it's got Michael Moore being arrested in it as an added bonus.)
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w211KOQ5BMI]
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Ok, Here is some NerdCore for you.
If you have never heard MC Chris but know old star wars you will dig this. (Or not, it's weird.)
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0BIazf-7j4]
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
trois is Fr. for 3
86% in from CA. That gap is still so far outside of polling that
I just can't wrap my head around it.
Statewide results
19,249/22,359 precincts (86%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
1,722,440
56.2%
Bernie Sanders
1,310,985
42.8%
3,063,178 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Sanders is over performing in every county that I thought he
would be behind at and behind in virtually every county I thought he would lead.
It is completely outside my expectations.
Statewide results
19,758/22,359 precincts (88.3%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
1,760,688
56.1%
Bernie Sanders
1,345,159
42.9%
3,136,146 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
91.7% Reporting in CA and Hillary has a still unbelievable lead.
I mean, this is so far outside of polling projections coupled with the other stuff that has already occurred really makes me think some Shenanigans have gone on tonight.
If they were gonna steal it they should have at least made it believable....
Statewide results
20,509/22,359 precincts (91.7%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
1,803,496
56.0%
Bernie Sanders
1,383,976
43.0%
3,218,406 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I don't think the Clinton Machine
has cared about "believable" for
a very long time, if ever.
It's only about winning - for
themselves.
Only connect. - E.M. Forster
Only 92% in in CA, I may not make it to the end after all, lol!
I have been on here since about 4PM EST and really starting to fade now. If we don't get more updates soon I am gonna toss in the towel and become one with the mattress.
Statewide results
20,609/22,359 precincts (92.1%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
1,808,090
56.0%
Bernie Sanders
1,388,764
43.0%
3,227,880 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I almost don't even want to write this but...
93% of the vote counted, and Hillary leading by 13 points, the AP has finally called the race and declared Hillary the winner in California.
What I find so extremely unusual in this very late announcement is that it in no way compares with prior announcements of Hillary being declared the winner in many other states. For the past several hours. I've watched the results come in. I watched early counties flip from Hillary to Bernie. But as the night wore on, the only counties left with outstanding votes were large counties, mostly in the south, where Hillary had enormous leads. Sometimes more than 20 points. My question? Why did they wait so long this time to call the race for Clinton? It doesn't make sense.
I've watched other races where Hillary was declared the winner an hour after polls closed while leading by 10 points when the actual results turned out to far closer. There really hasn't been any chance that Bernie could ever make up for Hillary's lead for a at least 2 or 3 hours now. Why didn't they call this long ago?
I'm going full CT now, because it's acceptable here to point out that some things are difficult to believe without having extraordinary evidence to backup your point. Did the early announcement of Hillary's "victory" affect turnout today? No question! Did other shenanigans like provisional ballots for independents make a difference? Very likely! Was this election manipulated internally? I wouldn't be surprised. Did the media want to downplay the manipulation by pretending that the race was was close to mask the manipulation of the results and give the appearance that this was a close contest until everyone got tired and went to sleep? I'll let you answer that question!
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George W. Bush
Yes, not that I didn't want to have hope,
but I had been wondering for hours why it wasn't called.
NYT called CA. for the Queen.
Yes, I'm back up. Can't sleep.
Guardian too. nt
Sorry, thought I was posting news.
I see now that reflections posted the winner call above.
Just saw Trump on tv. He said he "welcomes Bernie's supporters with open arms." I doubt I will vote for him, but I liked hearing him say that.
more on Trump quote.
Saw a longer clip of Trump's comment just now.
He said:
"To all those Bernie supporters who have been left out in the cold due to a rigged system, we welcome you with open arms."
Heh. I may be persuadable.
Fell asleep sitting up! Now that it's light and I'm awake enough
to move, I'm going to bed in a few minutes. Good morning, OLinda! The Anointed One has 2184 pledged delegates. There are about 70 outstanding. She does not have enough to win without supers. It's a contested convention. Sure wish we had brought it closer, though!
Bern should hire private investigators to determine what election fraud might have occurred in every race he lost. And wherever any is found, sue their rumps off to claim his delegates. Not that I believe in CT or anything.
See y'all after I get some (more) sleep.
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elenacarlena, I just posted delegate totals
from NYT and I see I have a different number on Hillary's total than what you have. It is still not the magic number whatever it is.
I enjoyed our discussions tonight!
I agree about investigating the voting. Bernie is a fighter that is for sure. Maybe he will. You would think some organization would step in. Someone mentioned somewhere here tonight that we need to ask the U.N to monitor our elections. Good idea. Too late for this one though.
I went by Google. They also say Bern has 1804.
https://www.google.com/#q=democratic+primary+results&eob=m.09c7w0/D/6/sh...
I don't swear by them, though, so if you have reason to think your numbers are more accurate, they probably are.
Yes, outside monitoring would be a terrific outcome! I'm so afraid we're going to get the vote the hackers decide we should get in November.
OK, seriously, I'm getting up and to bed. I enjoyed our discussions too. We ended up with a nice little group monitoring through the night!
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My numbers are just taken from NYT.
I have no idea. I'll see what The Guardian says later. You're in bed right now anyway.
elenacarlena, your numbers are more likely correct.
The Guardian has your numbers. 2184 and 1804. Bad NYT!
The Guardian also tallied:
Bernie
1804 pledged
+ 48 super
__________
1852 Total
2383 - 1852 = 531 more supers needed to win.
looks grim. I don't know why I'm looking at this. Good to know though, I suppose.
Not only is it disgusting that there even are superdelegates, it is extra ridiculous how many there are. Also from The Guardian, Hillary has 571, Bernie 48, so 619 Supers!! Good grief. I don't think that all of them have announced their preference, so I believe there are even more. I'd really like to have a list of all of their names.
Another small correction.
531 supers needed to win posted above should be a combination of supers and regular delegates that equal 531 are needed. There are 20 regulars still available from WA. DC. and some probably still being tallied from Tuesday's voting. When we have the final count from voting, then we'll know how many supers are needed. A lot, however.
Final numbers update
The Guardian updated numbers now that last night's votes are all in.
Want to post here to try to have the thread accurate. Something to refer back to perhaps. I'll just put it here where no one is reading anymore.
Bernie
1827 pledged
48 supers
___________
1875 Total
2383 - 1875 = 508 more delegates, supers and regular, needed to win. Oh well, sounds better than 531.
Hillary
2,199 pledged
574 supers
____________
2773 Total
Above 2383 goal when current supers are included.
Still, neither has the required number without supers.
NYT also updated and has the same numbers now as The Guardian.
Heh, I too fell asleep in front of the keyboard listening
to the TYT coverage and staggered off to bed when the sun hit my face (Thank FSM for blackout curtains) and just finally got up and showered.
No hangover, I guess 3 bottles of wine is not excessive then.
Thanks everyone for coming by and contributing, it was a blast outcome be damned
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I got up about 4 PM here. No hangover here either despite
multiple frozen fruity drinks overnight - must be all those vitamins in the fruit!
We must have just stressed so much we burned the alcohol right off. The company was great, though.
Clearly, Hill will be the nom unless they indict her before the convention. Dammit. But she has not proven that she is generally popular, quite the opposite.
So: Take a chance on splitting the vote or vote against Trump? I still plan on waiting to see what happens at the convention, but I lean toward taking a chance.
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I'm with you on taking a chance...
We have been doing the same things since the 90's, settled for incrementalism and all it has done is slowly drag the party further and further to the right to the point where we now have two RW parties and no left to speak of.
So yeah, at this point I don't see any reason to not take a chance, because one thing is certain, Clinton will be a disaster and set back the cause for at least another decade.
Which brings to mind that old adage about insanity.
I am done engaging in insane behavior out of fear.
And for some reason that I can't fully articulate, making the decision to no longer vote against, only for, candidates has been oddly freeing now that I know that it will be the course I will chart for the rest of my voting days.
Maybe it's just because for the first time I will be able to vote and not feel the need to take a shower afterwards?
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
delegates gained May 7 [edited; maybe incorrect numbers]
[Edit: Please see comments a bit above. NYT may have incorrect numbers. Really not sure at this point.]
According to the results chart at NYT,
Hillary gained 114 delegates from the voting in all states Tuesday.
(1926 total)
Bernie gained 94 " "
(1615 total)
Subject to change a tiny bit as votes are still coming in.
So, not that big of a change as far as won delegates.