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AOC got all kinds of centrist blowback upon her endorsement of Bernie and this young woman's critical response to identity politics is priceless:

The commentator also brilliantly responds to a series of neolibcon identity politics tweets.

For example, she reads this one:

"Isn't Warren progressive enough? ... Who wants or needs to see two older white guys (referencing Bernie and Trump) yelling at each other on stage for hours? No one needs that scene!"

The commentator exclaims:

"I need that scene! I want to see Bernie and Trump go at it. I wanna see the Grandpa fight!"

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Wally's picture

She's the young woman who put together the video above. There's an interesting biographical entry about her at:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shoe0nHead

I'm sure outrage/cancel culture proponents will find a million and one things wrong with her.

PS: She advocates for and defends both Bernie and Tulsi.

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@Wally

I'll save you some time. It wasn't very funny. I jumped the gun and then watched it after posting it. I thought it might fit in with the grandpa debate bit.

If insistent, it's at https://youtu.be/8PoJZHKeN_w

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identity politics icon himself

“This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically woke and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly,” Obama said, to some laughs from the crowd.
“The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws.” he continued.

Obama cited college campuses and social media as a breeding ground for wokeness.

“One danger I see among young people particularly on college campuses,” he said, “I do get a sense sometimes now among certain young people, and this is accelerated by social media, there is this sense sometimes the way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people and that’s enough.”

Obama then directly poked fun at ‘woke’ keyboard warriors:

“Like if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right or used the wrong verb or then, I can sit back and feel good about myself: ‘You see how woke I was? I called you out.’” he mocked.

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@gjohnsit Go on ahead and mock all you want. Those of us who see you for what you are will never stop seeing it and calling you out on it. Boohoo mofo.

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@lizzyh7

Or throw citizens in dog kennels for the oil companies.

Or hire lobbyists in nearly every single cabinet position.

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@snoopydawg He only filled 12 of the 13 Citigroup nominees. A real sell-out Neolib/neocon woulda done all 13.

13's an unlucky number? Yeah. So is number 44.

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@Alligator Ed

A veritable Mr. Aloha, huh?

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should not be taken to mean disagreement with your excellent points here, snoop.

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--Q

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@Wally

People are defending Warbama's helping DOW screw women who had breast cancer out of their settlement. It's absolutely sickening to see people defending the indefensible. "She needed the experience." WTAF does that even mean?

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@lizzyh7

of identity politics is bullshit. He's offended enough by irrationality that he's willing to comment on that in public--now that he's out of the Presidency and doesn't have to win any more elections.

However, none of that would stop him (or did stop him) using that kind of identity politics to the hilt for his own political advantage.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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Nobody want to see that. I'm voting for Hillary. Swank, that is.

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Enjoy...

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is that most of the people who are supporting Warbama and Kamillary are the ones who supported Barak Obama who offered them most of the same things that Bernie is now. How the f'ck do you pretzelize your brain that much to change you value system? For years they rode Obama's ass for not following through with his progressive campaign promises, but now they are willing to accept one more candidate who will not offer us what we need. Say anything bad about Nancy and omg kiss your political life goodbye. But Nancy is standing in the way of MFA, but that's okay because the same people that bitched about the ACA being a huge disappointment are now saying that we need to protect it. And won't someone think of the folks that work at the insurance companies? What will we do about those jobs? Well what the hell are we doing about the hundreds of thousand people who are losing their jobs in the car, bank, service and other industries? Why are the insurance folks being singled out for working at prestiges jobs? Gahd!!! I am literally getting whiplash watching people's values change just cuz who is currently playing president. Or who wants to next.

On a side note Trump is being slammed for 4 million kids not having health insurance. This is down though from the 5 million kids who did not have it in 2014 during Obama's disastrous tenure. Ooops again. What Trump is being slammed for, Obama did even worse. Ya know how to fix that number? Pass single payer. Do it like every other sane country has done it. It doesn't seem that hard, but then let's talk about how we pay for it. Yes the military budget could be slashed in half and we'd still be okay. But let's ask how the Fed has been able to send TRILLIONS to the banks whenever they ask for it. How many billions did they receive today? This Week? This Month? THis YEAR? Congress has found a way to pay for their health insurance and of course their pensions. And all the other graft they receive just cuz they say they are special. Ooops, I went on a rant.... yeah it's that kind of day.

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@snoopydawg http://wallstreetonparade.com/2019/10/fed-ups-its-wall-street-bailout-to...

I am not sure this link will work but they're up to $690B per week now in propping up the Wall Street casino. No problem there, right? Sure, that's almost as much as our idiotic ANNUAL "defense" budget isn't it? But hey, we simply cannot afford healthcare for all, come on snoop, this is America, we don't need no stinkin' healthcare for all. All we need is the ACA and those insurance company profits should simply be ignored, if we can't afford their premiums and co-pays too bad on us.

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@lizzyh7

This was my point. One of the first things Nancy said after winning the gavel back was she was going to implement pay go which of course means that any money going out needs to come from programs already existing. Didn't hear her say anything about this when Trump bailed out the big farms. Even people who have a far away relative who owns one got in on the scam. Of course the regular Joe farmers didn't receive enough that would actually help them. Guess how many members of congress own farms?

Oops..did it again. My bad. But how is even legal for the Feds to bail out the banks while they are still doing bad things or committing fraud? JP Morgan should have been broken up long ago and "doing gawd's work" Jaimie should be on his second decade prison term.

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("AOC" is beginning to annoy me as an acronym) if she'd talked to other candidates, Ocasio-Cortez says "yes," to which the interviewer asks, "Elizabeth Warren?" and she says, "yes," I had to laugh. Sorry, Liz. You didn't make the cut. It's at 4:22 of the video.

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"I was Zuckerberging people before Zuckerberg's balls dropped." -- the Devil, on "Rick and Morty"

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@Cassiodorus Occasional-Cortex, a name with some justification, used mainly by the righties.

Scratch one-s head

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@Alligator Ed One problem with the "Right" is that its arguments sound juvenile. Let's not imitate.

Also see this diary.

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"I was Zuckerberging people before Zuckerberg's balls dropped." -- the Devil, on "Rick and Morty"

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@Cassiodorus Two parts I particularly like are:

1.

Aldous Huxley's (1932) Brave New World suggests a world in which people are "dehumanized" -- but in fact they are infantilized, made into people whose idea of fun is a game called "centrifugal bumble-puppy," made into lifelong idiots through growth-stunting alterations of their embryos, and/or constantly distracted by entertainment (including casual sex), hypnotic suggestion, and through an ultimate drug called "soma."

2. Your citation from Che Guevarra, I find quite correct. The wielders of power, even if done on behalf of the people as a whole, must possess a "cold intelligence". This cold intelligence could be with some justification, not necessarily shared by myself, that the greater good, however perceived or defined, requires the actual sacrifice of lives, many6 lives, to propel, establish and maintain a Revolution. One example: some may feel that spreading the Napoleonic Code was worth the death a misery wrought by Bonaparte's vainglorious self-deification killing millions and destroying nations.

Can you name any great world leader not possessing of the sure and certain knowledge that they possessed the mandatory wisdom of such cold intelligence? Yes, Ghandi and MLK readily come to mind. But what armies did they command which contested not in a field of wit but by the more frequently chosen leadership arena called war? The battles of wit do drive movements--but the execution of "great" ideas rarely comes from the creator or popularizer of such grand inspirations. Moses did not enter the Promised Land. But the Hebrews killed the Canaanites because of his "holy vision". Mohammed actually commanded his believers to kill the infidel.

True, restraint, a quality I rarely use, necessary for intelligent conversation between equals is needed. So, in principle, cass, you are correct. Observance of decorum is a more genteel way to proceed. But, please consider the context of modern political discourse, if I am allowed to glorify the daily bickering with such a term. Does the "yes, he did; no he didn't" diet of political protestation instill within a reasonable individual, of any ideological persuasion, that our "public representatives" are acting as responsible adults?

This is not theory about which I write. It is life. It is the current decayed daily spectacle of self-debasing political candidates, aka whores, speaking patent absurdities which bear naught on our human condition. Does one admonish a toddler about to touch a hot stove as politely as "now Johnny, please withdraw your hand from the still hot coils on the stove else you might burn your epidermis"? We are on the brink of Civil War, dear cass. To not fear this is absurdist--every bit as absurd as the belief that we live in a Democratic Republic guided by law.

Why does an animal scream in pain? What does such a scream alleviate? Is it perhaps not appropriate to jeer at the Klowns and persecutors who daily demean us by patent lies? Does one not sometime shriek, even if only internally, silently, at the horror and stupidity of those in positions of authority.

No, sir. This is not a Picasso exhibition, on display through all his various periods, showing the course of a great creative artist. Civil discourse is the appropriate style with which to proceed discussion. No, sir, not Picasso. This is a shit show. What is being thrown about is shit, pure smelly, sticky repulsive shit TPTB try to feed us.

Summary: yes, polite discourse is important, when the conversing parties have willingness to proceed thus. Polite discourse is irrelevant and impossible when we are being showered by shit daily. Thus, I will continue to refer to malevolent actors, such as HRC by her more suitable appellation H. Rodent Clinton.

I respect your opinion and welcome a reply.

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@Alligator Ed was to dramatize how, in the process of controlling people, the state would attempt to make them into perpetual children. What are the elites to do with the masses? It seems easy to believe, from the elite perspective, that the masses can be domesticated into children and that the state can be reduced to the paterfamilias of the authoritarian family writ large.

As for Che: instead of children, he wanted heroes. Let's go over that passage:

At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality. Perhaps it is one of the great dramas of the leader that he or she must combine a passionate spirit with a cold intelligence and make painful decisions without flinching. Our vanguard revolutionaries must idealize this love of the people, of the most sacred causes, and make it one and indivisible. They cannot descend, with small doses of daily affection, to the level where ordinary people put their love into practice.

Here's the original if you want to have a go at it:

Déjeme decirle, a riesgo de parecer ridículo, que el revolucionario verdadero está guiado por grandes sentimientos de amor. Es imposible pensar en un revolucionario auténtico sin esta cualidad. Quizás sea uno de los grandes dramas del dirigente; éste debe unir a un espíritu apasionado una mente fría y tomar decisiones dolorosas son que se contraiga un músculo. Nuestros revolucionarios de vanguardia tienen que idealizar ese amor a los pueblos, a las causas más sagradas y hacerlo único, indivisible. No pueden descender con su pequeña dosis de cariño cotidiano hacia los lugares donde el hombre común lo ejercita.

For Che, the cold intelligence of the revolutionary was to be combined with a passionate spirit in the hero's love for the people and devotion to revolution. Reasoning through Che's notion of "cold intelligence" or "mente fria" might be instructive if that's what you believe -- but I myself don't think that Che's model of the revolutionary is good for all times and places. Sure, it might have worked for him in Cuba, where conditions were right -- but it didn't work for him in Africa, and it didn't work for him in Bolivia, and whereas he might have saved his own skin in Bolivia by slipping into Chile unnoticed, he chose not to.

The point of the last portion my essay was to argue, here and today, for an alternative to Che's revolutionary heroism -- adulthood. Since the present-day alternative to the revolutionary hero is the Internet community, perhaps an Internet community of adults is best positioned to triumph over the children running our society. Certainly Bernie Sanders tries to behave like an adult, no?

That's my greater point.

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@Cassiodorus Devotion to the Revolution ultimately means the loss of liberty or even life for some. That is the "cold" in cold intelligence.

Do murderers behave like adults? Did Hillary? Did Obama? Does Trump?

Striving for adulthood is noble. Real life instructs those observers unblinded by ideology that adulthood will never be attainable to many if such status requires adequate self-control and inner knowledge to temper base prejudice with rational control of behavior, including speech.

Humanity is not an infinitely perfectible being. There are spirals of history, not really static cycles, revolving on a relatively unmoving 2 dimensional plain. Spirals rise from the plain, figuratively of course, when periods of great moral goodness outperform crass motives such as greed and envy. We are living in a time where the spirals of history are beneath those better times (if ever they existed). We now live in an age of petty divisiveness which masks a pending total disruption of the societal fabric. This disruption is soon to rip asunder any pretense of rationality if Hillary and her minions are not decisively and definitively exposed and punished for the harm they are doing and have been doing for so long. The fact that large segments of the population allow themselves to believe the statist, duopolistic, duplicitous nature of their champion, H. Rodent Clinton, is worthy of the Presidency now or in 2016 should demonstrate that Childhood's End has not yet occurred.

We have not been differing in opinion about the value of adulthood. We do differ in our opinion as to what is achievable vis-a-vis "adult" behavior. We both believe such is necessary for beneficent societal management. My difference with you is on the attainability of adulthood. Your hope for achievement of reasonable behavior is the goal of the Enlightenment sages. I have lived in the real world, which is not to say you haven't. Although only indirectly involved in politix such as c99 most of my life, I have been privy to many life and death situations which have evoked the best and the worst in people. I have seen both and have had to deal with both. Most people do operate from a basis permitting of calm, though not dispassionate deliberation. But many do not and cannot respond in an adult way.

Cheers.

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@Alligator Ed

Adult behavior is mighty problematic in and of itself, ain't it?

As far as name calling is concerned, I think there are some lines that lefties should draw. But obviously, different lefties have different ideas of where and how those lines should be drawn.

In some ways, my take on June Nicole Lapine, featured in the essay's video, when I first came across her video was something to the effect of "OK, this looks interesting. Let's see what the kid's take is on contemporary bourgie feminism and identity politics." I think she's 28. And certainly, some folks probably see her as juvenille in many respects. But, even as I slowly but I hope surely approach my seventies, I laughed when she coughed, gagged and puked at the mention of Warren. I don't like, however, when socialists and/or fellow travellers of various stripes get afforded even worse and less deserved disapprobations (at least as I see 'em). Good thing I don't aspire to be ruler of the universe, Che, or a moderator on any online forum.

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@Wally you can see this in America's ridiculous unconcern with how its institutions are run.

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"I was Zuckerberging people before Zuckerberg's balls dropped." -- the Devil, on "Rick and Morty"

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@Cassiodorus Most of us live in Television-fueled unreality, drunk on the wine of easy credit and absent forethought.

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@Cassiodorus

how its institutions are run?

It's getting more difficult all the time to know things about "America" or "the American people," but last I looked, it seemed more like America is in a condition of learned helplessness, not in a condition of indifference.

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@Wally

Last time, the best videos were done by volunteers. Glad to see the official campaign has risen to the level of the amateur one.

Not enough discussion has been had about what an interesting political phenomenon it was to have a passionate, decentralized, and actually quite effective amateur campaign rise like that. Talk about tinder being dry for the spark.

I still think it even took Sanders himself by surprise.

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

2016 was a watershed moment in so many ways. From the euphoric feelings that this video captured to the horrors of the convention, it was a rollercoaster ride of emotions. Then the trajectory button was hit and we got the shit knocked out of us when we crash landed in the middle of nowhere. And you know what? My bum still hurts from the impact.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal As a consequence of this, we should take responsibility for our adults, making sure it's safe to be one and that when people feel like adults they don't feel alone and their struggles don't go unnoticed.

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@Cassiodorus

which I'll have to chew on, as I don't yet know what I think about it.

More than anything, the time to reflect is what's been taken away from our people, such as they are.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem