Straw Poll: Bernie Wins BigTime

Well, the dead state straw poll is over, and Bernie won big time.

Yet, once a horse's ass, always a horse's ass.

Straw Poll

Straight from the horse himself is his summary of the event.

This edition of the Daily Kos Straw Poll was fortuitously timed with Bernie Sanders’ presidential announcement, providing a surge of interest and excitement internet-wide—including a strong effort by supporters to drive people to the poll.

If you think there’s anything untoward about that, there’s not! The Straw Poll measures the intensity of online support, and there’s nothing stopping supporters of other campaigns from doing the same. You can certainly see the surge of new voters in the sample size—with the poll hitting 50,000 participants for the first time ever.

And we’d be excited at 10,000 in the 2016 cycle ...

Sen. Amy Klobuchar was about the only candidate who maintained support in the face of the Sanders surge. Beto O’Rourke has been considering another Senate run in Texas, and given the waning interest in a presidential bid, that appears to be the right bet. It’s certainly the only one that would make EVERY Democrat happy.

Gov. Jay Inslee is one of like 20 white men who think they want to run, but there’s no room for them in this field. Just look at “other” and “unsure.” This is a field that has a handful of giants, some mid-term prospects, and then …. oblivion.

The giants? Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden. Maybe Beto if he runs. The mid-tier is Klobuchar, Sherrod Brown, and … I think that’s it. Cory Booker has the potential to make it to this level even though he just got relegated again.

Everyone else? I don’t see how there’s any oxygen left in the room. Do you?

As for Bernie, he used to regularly score 53-73 percent in the 2016 cycle, so even at 44 percent, it’s still a different world.

What did I expect him to say? Not this.

"And in two weeks, we should be able to enable the ability to vote via mobile device, which could usher in the era of 100K-respondent straw polls. "

Not in a million years. We are done with him. We proved our point, and we have no intention of returning to this pitiful site and feeding his delusion of grandeur regarding this pitiful poll.

The giants? Seriously, Brown and O'Rourke? Apparently, even Kos doesn't take his miserable little poll seriously.

And last but not least is this steaming pile of horse dung.

"As for Bernie, he used to regularly score 53-73 percent in the 2016 cycle, so even at 44 percent, it’s still a different world."

As we worked behind the scenes to show Kos we/Bernie still owned him, someone commented that Kos would declare Bernie the loser because he only got 44% of the vote and everyone else got 56%.

This is a wee bit old but still fits like a glove.

Requiem for a Lightweight

The Markos Moulitsas of 2016 uneasily lingers on from those heady Netroots days, like some errant looping transmission from a long-lost spaceship — a hologram still beaming from some distant spot in the galaxy, screeching about a Borg attack that claimed his life many lightyears ago.

Frankly, it seems in poor taste to bring up Moulitsas’s name in any volume above a whisper, in the somber way the Irish might refer to a relation who never wrote after leaving for America. When, as with Moulitsas, one’s working assumptions and grand strategy have been pulverized again and again and again and again and again — an entire life’s work rendered as laughable as a small hat on a big dog — well, it seems unnecessary to stamp the dirt down harder.

And yet. Two months out from the shock demolition of the Democratic Party, the most faithful acolytes are not getting it. Someone like Moulitsas, an irrelevancy himself, can only be a real, pressing threat when marching in lockstep with the rest of a vast zombie horde — a sea of dead flesh which somehow is still upright, clogging the highways, trapping those still alive and trying to break out, in a waking nightmare without end. It is the only way of explaining a Democratic Party, from Markos Moulitsas to Cory Booker to Rahm Emanuel, cheering the demise of decent health care as a going concern for many Americans.

And that's just the introduction. If you missed it the first time around or it has just been a while, enjoy the trip.

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being led around and made to do tricks, as usual.....

edited to actually embed the image

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Pretending the enemy doesn't exist works great if you're fighting a vietnam and the only reason you're hanging on is the money...

Oh wait, I just answered my own question before I asked it.

Garbage site, with garbage analysis, to prop up the respectability of garbage MSM and their Garbage candidates.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

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so Kalamity Harris really sucks.

(My attempt at KosLogic ™)

(Edited)

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

dkmich's picture

I want to cross post this to Twitter, and I need a more descriptive title so I can use it for another purpose. Sorry, hope you don't mind.

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as "the giants". Then Elizabeth Warren, before getting to Bernie.

And, of course, Bernie "used to get" 53-73%....before you banned many of the people who supported him!

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...to good, subservient, bought-off little Gate Polisher. That was an epic takedown in Jacobin...

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I want my two dollars!

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Straw polls are great indicators of the state of the race -- unless my candidate doesn't win, then they don't mean shit.
Fundraising numbers are great indicators of the state of the race -- unless the other candidate gets four times as much, then they don't mean shit.

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I like this world. It's not perfect, but everything I love is in it.

unlike the previous straw polls.

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@gjohnsit

This was predicted too. Still, it was fun poking Kos in the eye.

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@dkmich
I keep searching and get nothing but silence.
It's almost like the news media doesn't want to hear it.

BTW, you know Bernie fans probably cost Markos a significant amount of money yesterday.

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@gjohnsit

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@gjohnsit @gjohnsit

and I think she heard about the poll and added a sentence at the very end.

A Feb. 19 straw poll by the liberal blog Daily Kos showed Sanders in first place, far ahead of Harris, Warren, Biden and others.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/430632-meghan-mccain-dont-underestima...

EDIT: McCain said a bunch of stuff but the article was written by Morgan Gstalter, who is the one who added the bit about the poll

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@Shahryar
That technically counts, but just barely.
Not laughing at you, of course.

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@gjohnsit
First hit:

DailyKos Straw Poll | caucus99percent
If Bernie wins, watch them all go silent. It would also be fun to watch Kos' own blog make him eat his I hate Bernie diatribes. Am I stating the completely obvious when I say that DKos Straw poll sounds more like a way to gather email addresses then a democratic temperature taking?
[Search domain caucus99percent.com/content/dailykos-straw-poll] https://caucus99percent.com/content/dailykos-straw-poll

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something probably all of you had figured out long ago.

People will believe what they're told.

Reading the comments over there I realized they who believe "Russia did it" are the same who believe "Bernie was divisive".

They will twist whatever evidence is shown to them by denying it or missing the point or flat out craziness.

What happened (correct me if I'm wrong): Bernie ran for President in 2016. So did Hillary Clinton. Both wanted to win. Candidates generally say why they're better than other candidates.

The powers-that-be wanted Bernie out, even suggesting that March was a good time for him to quit, although the convention was at the end of July. So they put out the word that Bernie had this problem or that, was angry, didn't like black people. Sent John Lewis out to lie about Bernie and Hillary.

And those people who are incapable of dealing with the "Russia" claims took it as gospel. Bernie did this, or not enough of that.

And if they're told that Bernie is, after all, a good guy, they'll believe that, too. Orwell was too right.

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@Shahryar @Shahryar

Your brain must be dizzy.

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@Shahryar

was campaigning for candidates other than Hillary.

Even the Russian activity they condemn is basically oppo research and campaign ads, none of which is immoral or criminal.

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I think this Jimmy Dore show was pretty amazing. This crew on the stage in this vid has some serious juice, IMO. Enjoy.
@Shahryar

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Please freep my poll!
This outcome is making us look bad to the corporate muckety-mucks who pay my bills
(and they want bigger e-mail lists.)
And Sanders who?

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Was putting in a fake email to cast my vote: bernieorbust@demexit.com.

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@TB mare

the quality and value of the email lists he sells. Unless it could be done by bots, he and it wouldn't be worth it. He is irrelevant.

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@dkmich

He is irrelevant.
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Was much appreciated. Especially delicious was the pettiness of Markos himself when talking about Bernie's numbers. I expected nothing less and felt quite vindicated that he remains so predictable.

Munch, munch, munch..

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@zoebear @zoebear

In fact, the twitter group wanted to freep it again the next time he ran it. I said no, not me. I think they should let him fall on his ass and explain where all his voters went. I am not driving any more numbers to his pen so he can reach 100K and take credit for it. Nonetheless, this one soiree behind enemy lines was a hoot.

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@dkmich

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

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if we sit out future straw polls this one will be easy to dismiss. He (and they) can claim that this was freeped, that Bernie's support is weak, that he only did well because it was the day he announced. They would use non-participation as a way to marginalize him.

So I think I'll vote next time.

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I just looooove how Bernie's still kicking Kos' butt, even on his own website, years after the "Ides of March Decree" supposedly purged the place of Bernie's supporters.

The schadenfreude, it burns so good!

Wink

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...... no entry for Clinton in that poll!

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"Not in a million years. We are done with him. We proved our point, and we have no intention of returning to this pitiful site and feeding his delusion of grandeur regarding this pitiful poll."

"As we worked behind the scenes to show Kos we/Bernie still owned him. ."

Is that going to be the official stance going forward? It sure gives that impression. And that's fine, but those that don't support Sanders or the democratic party should know if that's the case.

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@Big Al yeah I noticed that too. Maybe I’m overthinking things...

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@Dr. John Carpenter
the pronoun refers to the group of people (not exclusively members of c99p -- as dkmich notes elsewhere, there was a whole lotta tweeting going on to freep the poll) that it rationally refers to, namely, those who decided to go over there and vote for Sanders in that poll. indeed a reasonably careful parsing of the text leaves no other sensible interpretation.

so yeah, i would have to say that yes, you're overthinking things.

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@Dr. John Carpenter maybe me too. I'm sure dk didn't mean it that way, but from the outside looking in, it could look like this small blog is the "we". And I know many at Daily Kos view it that way.
Like I said, that's fine, I was just asking. If we were all sitting around a table talking, I would still politely pose the question, which is what I did.

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@Big Al

Many at Daily Kos view themselves as progressive, intelligent, civil, well-informed, so their judgment may not be the most accurate yardstick of anything.

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@Big Al @Big Al

If this blog has made anything clear, there is no "we" in the sense of approved doctrine as does daily kos. It is non-partisan. Vote, don't. Support a candidate, don't. Vote for Trump, not. Everyone here is free to think and speak their own truth. I don't speak for anyone but me, and no one can speak for me.

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@Big Al
applied to anyone other than the people to whom it quite particularly applies, a group within which the writer places herself, and which she neither equates with nor limits to the membership of c99p?

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@UntimelyRippd How's that?

Maybe dkmich can clarify, I'm not the only one who gets that impression as much as you like to attack me.

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@Big Al
own it.

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@UntimelyRippd I thought we talked about this dude. I think I asked a long time ago that you stop responding to my comments and essays?

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@Big Al
some special dispensation to pick and choose amongst interlocutors on a membership-based open blog, but because i was willing to be courteous, given that we really have nothing to say to each other as far as politics go.

i feel no such constraint of courtesy or anything else, when you apply your epistemological method to challenging, with maximal snot and minimal warrant, another member of the site, to no possible end other than the sowing of community discord and the assertion of your own Point of Self-assigned Privilege. 20 seconds' worth of pre-posting introspection (and perhaps a second reading of the "offending" sentence) might have led you to understand that your accusation -- and it was an accusation -- was unfounded. if you decline to rein in your impulses, why should you expect me to rein in mine?

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@Big Al
statement, "Because I wanted to," than you intended to place there.

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@Big Al @Big Al

All members of the C99P community speak for themselves, ONLY.

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@UntimelyRippd

If we in the context used needs clarification, it is me and the group that formed on Twitter for the purpose of flipping the Daily Kos straw poll in favor of Bernie.

Under no circumstance do I need it suggested that I think c99 is anything but non-partisan and that I speak for c99 or anyone else on this blog. If that was not the intent, then I suggest others heed their own advice and be mindful of how others read your words. The one thing I have never been accused of is not being direct enough.

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@dkmich
and really, the only coherent interpretation.

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@Big Al
emphatically no, that is not the official stance of this site.

I'll let dk explain what she meant rather than put words in her mouth, as you should do too rather than jumping to conclusions.

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@JtC Just to clarify, I was thinking how it would be viewed from the outside, not internally. From the sound of this essay, it didn't seem to me to be an unreasonable question. But I can see how the way I asked was not necessary.

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@Big Al @Big Al @Big Al

see things. I won't mince around this place as if it was daily kos. It has been made perfectly clear to all that c99 is non-partisan and no one speaks for it but JtC & Joe. It has also been made perfectly clear that no one speaks for anyone else. I left daily kos because I got sick of people thinking somebody died and made them boss.

Vote or don't. Support a candidate and the political process or don't. Go to dkos or don't. I am free to do as I please and so is everyone else.

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@dkmich
I'd like to use the following, with attribution, and your blessing:
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Vote or don't. Support a candidate and the political process or don't. Go to dkos or don't. I am free to do as I please and so is everyone else.

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@Deja

I’m sure the same sentiment has been expressed before and better. Lol, FO comes to mind. And then there is the infamous GFY by Cheney on the Senate floor. I hope I wasn’t rude. See what happens when you hang out with the wrong crowd? One too many trips to the GOS.

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@dkmich
I dotted out the dkos part because that place is irrelevant to me. The rest is spot on, so thank you.

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@JtC
Nobody should be imposing their beliefs upon--or otherwise making assumptions about--other C99P folks. That's one of the most important features of this truly SANE blogging environment.

Thank you for reminding me about this!

Stating the obvious: Of course, there will always be occasional contentiousness 'round here...that's human nature. Wink

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@Big Al

Sounds like you're declaring this a Bernie Blog.

Ride easy there, Big Al. This is more about the schadenfreude we "Ides of March" exiles are entitled to feel at the comeuppance of the likes of Armando and Kos than it even is about Bernie Sanders at all.

Your right to continue to advocate complete social overhaul here is unabridged, as I am quite certain JtC would have it! And as I would have it as well, I might well add!

Smile

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@Big Al

website and members after getting the shove from their website. I thoroughly enjoyed myself yesterday watching as the PTBs pick went down in flames. .

"As we worked behind the scenes to show Kos we/Bernie still owned him. ."

This doesn't mean that I'm going to suddenly change my mind and get back into the rigged voting games. I gave up voting after Obama's backstabbing and just decided to vote on local issues. I'm giving this up too after our legislators told us to go f'ck ourselves and destroyed the medical marijuana and expanded Medicaid bills that we voted for

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@Big Al

Something Bernie himself said during the 2016 campaign agrees with me.

"You keep chanting Bernie Bernie Bernie. I appreciate it, but it's not about me, it's about you."

Then again, a lot of our membership came here after Markos banned them for supporting Sanders over Clinton. So for them, "Bernie" and "we" might be the same thing.

Does the site have a stance, though?

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

and numerous times already. This is a non partisan site and people are free to vote or support whomever they want. The only rule here is don't be a dick.

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@snoopydawg

to make up for the fact that tone doesn't convey through a screen. Smile

It should have been: "Does the site have a stance, though? I don't think so."

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Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
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season, when it was only him vs. Hillary and his campaign was underway, with thousands in overflow at any venue smaller than a stadium? A different world after DK banned or drove off or bored to death Bernie's supporters who used to post there?

Gee, I wonder what could possibly account for the difference this time? /s

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to decide if I should create a sock and post it over at Moosie’s place. They had to have seen it when it first came out but I think a reminder would do them some good.

IIt’s hard to believe now that, at the height of his prominence, Moulitsas was as far to the left a figure as could be fathomed by most of the mainstream media. But in the dim, dank confines of the Bush years, he got himself a ticket to the big time.

Like the official introduction of sushi as a Sizzler salad bar item, Moulitsas’s mainstream inclusion as a pundit in the those years was a grasping, clumsy attempt by corporate forces to keep up with the times. That in all of his appearances, Moulitsas inevitably resembled a teacup poodle, yapping endlessly at passing mailmen, was immaterial. He had tapped into something new, something fresh. This man blogged. This man blogged, online — on the internet.

I’ve seen that 2nd paragraph cited her a couple of times. The way Moosie was described:

Moulitsas inevitably resembled a teacup poodle, yapping endlessly at passing mailmen...

...still makes me laugh.

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as any writers at the time could imagine.

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@HenryAWallace

Meaning those people who would most likely "blog" about politics back when no one was blogging about anything, would be far to the left.

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@zoebear

like MSNBC, which poses as a Democratic alternative. Some of my nearest and dearest tape that Maddow show so they're sure to never miss it.

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some errant looping transmission from a long-lost spaceship — a hologram still beaming from some distant spot in the galaxy.....heh, heh.

All I can picture is Kos as Rimmer. "Orange Dwarf"! coming to a cell phone near you.

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of the greater population of America, often lacking in insight and independent thinking. It's not as low as the lowest common denominator, but it is certainly not progressive for the most part. There are voices there that are salient, but they mostly get drowned out by the unthinking, immature masses, and lack of intelligent moderation.

Smaller, and more personal, c99 encompasses great potential. Thanks all.

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@janis b

I felt like DKos was a microcosm of the Democratic Party. Beginning with fault lines that showed up at DKos and then finally cracked, extended to the larger population of Democrats, where we saw the same thing happening.

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@zoebear

They only seem to divide us further, and separate us from a common desire for wellbeing. It's sort of weird to me that people continue to separate themselves more and more in order to form a personal identity. Oh well.

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When I took the poll it didn't ask for my email, as if the poll already knew my email from my old registration there. When I went back in "incognito" mode (Chrome) the poll demanded my email.

As an outsider I find the site tiresome. Many front page articles are written to get a paycheck, and I feel the writers censor themselves leaving much of the content boring. Often I can skim down through the rec list and all the recents without opening anything up, I'm probably missing some good writing because of the titles and lack of recs.

Markos hasn't aged well.

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"I see Daily Kos as a product, not my soapbox."

Hah! You don't say... Thomas Paine he ain't...

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