This sounds suspiciously familiar

The Nimitz and Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier strike groups are currently in the South China Sea carrying out the Orwellian-named Freedom of Navigation Operations.
Meanwhile, Congress is preparing to draw a line in the sand.

U.S. Congressman Ted Yoho (R-FL) on Friday (July 17) announced that he will introduce a bill this week that would authorize the U.S. to use military force if China invades Taiwan.

I'm sure that all of those patriotic Taiwanese are ready to man the defenses of the island and beat back the Chinese invaders, even if it costs them their lives. Just knowing that America is so willing to sacrifice their sons and daughters for Taiwan's independence must mean a lot.

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If war were to break out between Taiwan and China, 40.9 percent of those surveyed said that they are willing to fight or would not object to their family's participation, while 49.1 percent said the opposite.

Compared to the results of a previous survey, the percentage of people willing to take up arms in defense of Taiwan or support family members in doing so has increased significantly, perhaps owing to increased anxiety over China's true intentions after recent events such as the implementation of Beijing's new national security law for Hong Kong.

BWWAAHAAHAAHAAHAHA!
Lemme get this straight.
Only 41% of Taiwanese are willing to fight against a Chinese invasion, while 49% says "F*ck that!"
And most surveys show far fewer Taiwanese willing to defend the island!

America is determined to go to war, and sacrifice our sailors, to defend Taiwan; a war that we are likely to lose in the long run. A war that a plurality of Taiwanese say isn't worth fighting.
This has the stench of our Vietnam and Afghanistan policies.
Who exactly does our military fight for?

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Mainland China is Taiwan's biggest trading partner. Outside of bellicose politicians in US and Taiwan the island is culturally and economically reliant on the mainland.

But Taiwan I believe is thee largest supplier of silicon wafers by far. There was an earthquake there a number of years ago, and tech stocks went down based on fear of losing those silicon wafers.

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You can bet its existence is keeping the Neocons at the State Department on the boil.

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The political status of Taiwan remains uncertain. The ROC is no longer a member of the UN, having been replaced by the PRC in 1971. Taiwan is claimed by the PRC, which refuses diplomatic relations with countries that recognise the ROC. Taiwan maintains official ties with 14 out of 193 UN member states and the Holy See.[22][23] International organisations in which the PRC participates either refuse to grant membership to Taiwan or allow it to participate only on a non-state basis.

Taiwan was under martial law for 40 years.

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@MrWebster He is not the first to do so. China has effectively limited the ability to use the territory of Hong Kong and its people. Now American policy is putting the people of Taiwan at greater risk of having their lives disrupted.

New York Times ran an article in 2016 discussing the potential change in US policy towards recognition of Taiwan in relation to a phone call Trump made to Taiwanese president at the time.

What is the China-Taiwan issue?

Both players claimed, at least formally, to represent all of China — which they considered to include each other’s territory. That created problems, including periodic risks of war, for decades.

The disagreement dates to 1927, when civil war broke out in the Republic of China. The war culminated in Communist revolutionaries, led by Mao Zedong, mostly defeating China’s Nationalist government in 1949.

But the Nationalist leaders fled to Taiwan, which their forces still controlled. Though fighting eventually stopped, both sides continued to claim all of China. The Taiwan-based government considered mainland China to be controlled by illegitimate Communist rebels. The Beijing-based government considered Taiwan a breakaway province.

In this sense, the civil war was never fully resolved. Thus, Taiwan’s formal name is still the Republic of China. Mainland China — controlled by the Communist government in Beijing — is called the People’s Republic of China.

Their dispute became a global Cold War issue. The Soviet Union and its allies recognized Beijing as China’s rightful government, while the United States and its allies recognized the Nationalists in Taiwan. The Taiwan government even held the United Nations seat for all of China.

In the 1970s, the world began accepting the reality of a divided China. Beijing took over the United Nations seat in 1971. President Richard M. Nixon traveled to mainland China the next year. In 1979, America switched its recognition from the Taiwan government to Beijing’s. Many other countries followed suit.

Since then, no American president or president-elect is believed to have spoken with a Taiwanese president — until the phone call on Friday.

Why don’t China and Taiwan just split?

This would be extremely difficult for either government.

The Beijing government has never given up hope of reintegrating Taiwan. Territorial integrity is an existential issue for all countries, but it is especially sensitive for Beijing, which fears emboldening separatism in Tibet and other regions.

The Taiwan government is constrained on both sides. It cannot offer to reintegrate with the mainland, as the island is a democracy and Taiwanese people would be unwilling to surrender their freedoms. At the same time, Beijing has credibly threatened war should Taiwan declare independence. Taiwan cannot formally drop its claim to mainland China, because it would be seen as tantamount to declaring independence.

This led, in 1992, to a semiofficial arrangement: Both countries agreed that there is only one China, encompassing the mainland and Taiwan. But they also agreed to disagree about what that means.

When our domestic semiconductor production capacity was exported and further developed in Taiwan was one of the recipients.

Books and articles have expounded on the political, military and geostrategic aspects of the problem, with intriguing maps of the first and second island chains blocking China’s access to the Pacific Ocean.

But these analyses about Taiwan’s fate often ignore one of the most worrying aspects of the problem: American reliance on Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturing.

As David Arase, professor of international politics at the Hopkins-Nanjing Center of the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies, notes, “Even an unsuccessful invasion of Taiwan would cause a supply chain disruption.”

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The Beijing government has never given up hope of reintegrating Taiwan. Territorial integrity is an existential issue for all countries, but it is especially sensitive for Beijing, which fears emboldening separatism in Tibet and other regions.

China has been divided for centuries multiple times. Beijing can wait a lot longer than the U.S. can.

The Taiwan government is constrained on both sides. It cannot offer to reintegrate with the mainland, as the island is a democracy and Taiwanese people would be unwilling to surrender their freedoms.

Phhhtt! Taiwan was a brutal military dictatorship for the first 40 years.
What was the excuse then?

At the same time, Beijing has credibly threatened war should Taiwan declare independence. Taiwan cannot formally drop its claim to mainland China, because it would be seen as tantamount to declaring independence.

There will be a unification, or an invasion one day. This century or the next.

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I see SARS-CoV-2 is off on another vacation cruise to nowhere in the South China Sea.

The jet-setting celebrity virus really seems to enjoy the resort amenities and party atmosphere on US Aircraft Carriers.

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the conflict between India and China too. Gee ain’t it great that we have so much extra money lying around that we can spend it nothing good?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-joins-india-large-naval-drills...

Following last month's rare border clashes between the Indian and Chinese armies along the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh which led to an unprecedented scores of casualties on both sides (at least 20 Indian troops were confirmed killed), the United States has joined India's military in conducting large-scale naval exercises in the region.

Specifically the US aircraft carrier Nimitz carrier strike group carried out the joint drills in the Indian Ocean in what reports describe as "a sign of growing cooperation between the two naval forces in the region" as well as in support of "a free and open Indo-Pacific".

Id like those who think that the military is over there defending our freedoms to explain how a conflict between those countries could possibly threaten them. Or any other country we’ve been in for ever. Folks here think that we must not bring 10,000 out of Germany because if we do Russia will immediately invade them. But Trump is being ordered by Putin to then put them into Poland. Geezus folks think about that. Why in hell would Putin want more of our troops closer to Russia?

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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on a ship, at least give it a decent name.

Ronald Reagan?

Why no more Lexingtons, Saratogas, Yorktowns, Rangers, etc., etc.?

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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I don't like the CCP. The more I learn, the less I like. I don't want to see Taiwan fall to it. I've been having a PM engagement these past couple days on another site with a guy from Peru who has similar feelings, and I've seen a fair amount of anti-CCP sentiment on youth-oriented Reddit, as well.

China isn't like the Middle East. It's more like America. I can't say they don't need to be kept in check somehow.

With all due respect to Allfather Odin, my foe's foe is not my friend; We the People of the World would do well to not just immunize ourselves against 'divide-and-rule', but figure out how to turn it around and apply it to our various COGs*.

* = Corporatist Occupation Government; like the imagery?

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@The Liberal Moonbat Should the United States create an automatic trigger to enter into a hot war with China? If an invasion of Taiwan happened our country would still have the option of war or diplomacy. Would the results of a conflict create as much damage for the average Taiwanese citizen as our military actions did for citizens of Afghan, Iraq, Libya and Syria? Would a conflict change our own country as much or more than our conflict with Iraq did?

Is this part of a longer range plan to create a Naval base? Is the US at risk of having other Asian country throw out our military, as the Philippines did a few years ago, and looking for another option? We only get glimpses of information and it makes it hard to form an opinion.

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@studentofearth

...based on lurid and violent fantasies about affairs between other nations over issues that have nothing to do with the lives of the American people — and everything to do with starting wars that will enrich the war profiteers who make their fortunes from the the US defense racket....

You know what that is? It is a preemptive extinction event that American society is imposing upon itself. The only sure way left to stop the ongoing US murder rampage is to set up a doomsday machine that will wipe out their own civilization. The People have run out of ideas and their obsolete constitution has run them off a cliff.

It's not the worst Idea I've heard this week.

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@Pluto's Republic (ok, lots more than once.)

It didn't end well.

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China isn't like the Middle East. It's more like America. I can't say they don't need to be kept in check somehow.

1) If China = America, How many nations has China bombed in the last 40 years?
2) Who are we to decide who needs to be "kept in check"? And how is that not 19th Century imperialism?

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@gjohnsit I'm honestly not sure what you think I'm saying, and I shouldn't have to prove anything to you any more than I should anyone else. As I mentioned elsewhere, I just finished an obnoxious political (meta-political, really, which is even worse) argument on another website I'd been involved in since Saturday.

"China is more like America than the Middle East" is a LOOOOONG road from "China = America", and you know that. China, like America, is a very rich, very strong, and increasingly desperate superpower. Quite unlike America, it has managed so far to sustain a social contract with its people...but it is rapidly losing its ability to do so. Its economy is (as The Economist put it at least a year-ish BEFORE the pandemic) locked into a death-spiral.

It's not automatically 19th-Century imperialism to say superpowers need to be kept in check; they do. "Chimerica" being what it is, the US is 'with' the CCP by default unless it says otherwise. China, unlike ANY place we've bombed/invaded, is strong enough to behave like a bully - certainly not to most of the world, but to its traditional vassal-states (again, I recommend looking into the "Milk Tea Alliance", if you're not familiar with that development). America "walking out on" China is for the best, just like Europe's been "walking out on" America.

Surely there are more choices than leaving Taiwan and Hong Kong to their fate or Slim Pickens riding in to make the CCP look preferable (hmm, have I just figured out the international version of the "Bad Cop/Worse Cop" routine we're so familiar with on the domestic front???)?

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China, like America, is a very rich, very strong, and increasingly desperate superpower.

China is not "increasingly desperate." It is not desperate at all. The government lays out 5, 10, and 15 year plans for domestic achievements to improve the lives of the People. And they follow them to completion.

They impose nothing upon other nations. They remain open to continuous discussion, friendship, collaboration, and appeals for help to those outside their domain.

If you know of some exception to this, please let the world know.

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@Pluto's Republic Like I said, I read something in The Economist (certainly no fringe or doomsayer publication, and one which remains globalist in its outlook) last year saying that China is most definitely desperate - "death-spiral" is a term the article used, and this was all long before the pandemic.

They impose nothing upon other nations. They remain open to continuous discussion, friendship, collaboration, and appeals for help to those outside their domain.

Submitted for your perusal:
https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/

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