Seth Rich Story Updating

drip, drip, drip.... How much of this will be proven to be true? What will happen to Russia? Assange is inferring that Rich was the leaker but will not confirm. More info to come out as the day goes on.

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Trending on Twitter. #Seth Rich

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gulfgal98's picture

that when ever I read about the Clintons or the DNC, I think about organized crime? IMHO, both are criminal enterprises designed to benefit a few at the expense of the rest of us and what little of our democratic processes that are left. I would put nothing past any of them. I am still shaking my head at the thought of what I have just written.

Edit to add: Podesta's email is chilling in the context of what we are now learning.

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"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~Dr. Cornel West "...isn't the problem here that the government takes on, arbitrarily and without justification, an adversarial attitude towards its citizenry?" ~CantStopthe Signal

@gulfgal98 but especially these neo-liberals can indeed be compared to the Mob. I'm sure people here have heard of a "bust out" where the Mob gets you in debt to them so they take over your business/government, use your credit to take out all kinds of debt while paying it to themselves, then when your business/country is bankrupted they light the whole thing on fire and collect the insurance. Matt Taibbi compared the financial crisis to a bust out, and Michael Hudson's writings sure sort of confirm that is the intent. Take all money you can while the getting is good and leave an empty bankrupted and ruined shell behind for someone else to deal with.

But hey, at least the Mob is honest in their intent, while we have liars with pretty faces shoving sunshine up our asses until we too are ruined husks. Bastards all.

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@lizzyh7

Frankly, I'd take the Mob any day over the Neo-liberal Democrats. Hell, even the Republicans are more honest. I'd take the Mob over the GOP, though. Their food is a lot better, too.

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@lizzyh7

... I'm sure people here have heard of a "bust out" where the Mob gets you in debt to them so they take over your business/government, use your credit to take out all kinds of debt while paying it to themselves, then when your business/country is bankrupted they light the whole thing on fire and collect the insurance. ...

Personally, I usually call them banks or venture vulture capitalists, depending on the specific operations, as do so many others, but, yeah, the whole group would obviously fit under the Mob label. And that's exactly the way I think of the Psychopaths That Be and their lackeys in government, too. Nice to think that I at least agree with the best and brightest on so many issues.

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No Seth Rich diaries at all.

But plenty of "Trump is a Traitor! Scary Putin!"

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@gjohnsit

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dervish's picture

@gjohnsit or anything that casts anything less than a glorious light on the Dem. party. Their minders and message aren't much different than Kim Jong Un's.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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Confirmed: DNC Emails LEAKED … Not Hacked

We’ve reportedly documented that the DNC emails were leaked … not hacked.

(And the “evidence” that it was the Ruskies has collapsed.)

The head of Wikileaks – the organization which published the leaked DNC emails – has previously hinted that the leaker was DNC insider Seth Rich.

Today, the local Washington DC Fox news channel reports that the Rich family’s private investigator – a former Homicide Detective in Washington DC and white collar criminal investigator for the Attorney General of the State of Ohio – says that evidence on Rich’s computers proves that he communicated with Wikileaks:

https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/864320973469777920?ref_src=tw...

We’ll update details as they’re released …

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@CB and calling it "fake evidence". It's rather confusing at the moment.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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@dervish
with WikiLeaks.

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@CB it's inconsistent, and a little weird.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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@dervish

The only thing I found was that the "distancing" was due to Burkman suggesting the murder was done by the Russians.

Rich was 27 when he was murdered next to his Washington, D.C. home in July. His parents believe the murder was a result of a late night robbery attempt gone wrong. They are fighting conspiracy theorists trying to tie his death to the leak of DNC emails before the elections. A Republican lobbyist, Jack Burkman, who volunteered his help and put up reward money for information, recently suggested that Russia may be behind Rich’s murder. This move has led the family to distance itself from Burkman.

Read more: http://forward.com/fast-forward/366732/seth-richs-family-turns-to-public...

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@CB

Based on zero evidence, the police immediately called this a botched robbery andI did not investigate. The family started a gofundme account so they could afford to hire someone to investigate. A 27 or 28 year old loved one is gunned down and their big concern is starting a gofundme account so they can nip theorizing on the internet over motives for a loved one's death in the bud? That is not consistent with anything I've experienced about people suffering that kind of sudden, horrific loss.

Besides, good luck with stopping theorizing, no matter what your detective comes up with.

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@dervish may fear more reprisals, and with good reason.

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@dervish

Channel 5 is suppose to release more as the day goes on. Sure steps on Trump's leak to the Russians.

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@dervish
made a destinction between working "for" the family and working "on behalf of" the family, suggesting that the investigation that was paid for by a non family third party.

My brain stopped hurting as soon as I looked at the apparent contradiction,with the family spokesman dissing the investigator's suggestion that Seth was The Leaker, through that lens.

Regardless, hot BREAKING! stories always contain little verifiable detail and bring out the country's most prolific and creative dot connectors. It will be a while (if ever) before anything like undeniable certainty comes out of this story.

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The most obvious and logical answer that it was an insider/Seth provided the DNC emails? No!!!!! Clearly, the 'new' answer is that Seth was clearly a Russian spy! Phew! That was a close one...but now we are back on track with RUSSIA!!!!!! RUSSIA!!!!!

/sarc

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@ChezJfrey being floated that Russia killed him. Never mind that they wouldn't have a motive, or that the leap from "hacker" to "leaker" remains unaddressed. The True Believers will parrot any line they are told to, no matter how insane.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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@dervish
Snowdon and Manning?

Damn! I just looked in my bedroom and there was a Russian under my bed and TWO in my closet.

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@CB @CB @CB I just accidentally pulled a Russian out of my ass. They're everywhere! (One of them may have hacked my C99% account to post this comment!!1!)

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@Dopeman
Serves you right. I suggest an enema.

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@CB

I heard he voted Libertarian once. Or was it that he said something positive about Ron Paul once? Or neither? Well, I forget, but it was very important. And damning.

Wacko

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@CB the rest of them are better hidden. Look at the overhead lights lately?

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@dervish @dervish @dervish . Twice in fact.

Edited to include woozles.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

@dervish That pile of puke this morning was NOT my cats, those damned Russians!

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@lizzyh7

That's it!

@dervish That pile of puke this morning was NOT my cats, those damned Russians!

Kitty, I told you not to eat those Russians! Now I'll have to take you to The Vet!! Wink

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"Some members of the government are now investigating opioid pain killers but they are investigating the wrong thing. Despair-masking drugs are not the problem. Despair is."
-- featheredsprite

@thanatokephaloides I don't think your kitties ate the Russians, but rather were in collusion...because everyone not hoping for guns blazing is of course aiding/abetting; they were probably hiding the Russians in their guts so you wouldn't find them.

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the more it looks like truth. Very interesting developments.

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Comey fired last week and now the Seth Rich story suddenly breaks this week?

Was Comey was keeping a lid on it for Hillary?

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I am waiting for you, Vizzini.

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For the folks who want the Rethug brand.

I don't need to be convinced how awful the DNC is. I've written them off a long time ago. Only problem is that the sides have already been drawn on this one. You now EITHER believe in Russia, OR Clinton Murders.

Since the DNC has been defending Clinton on this for a long time, it's a very solidified and prepped position. RNC wants us to throw ourselves against this, eating up political energy... Sticking with the rules of Political Guerilla Warfare...

I see this as a battle that will be fought by the great powers, and they'll spill a lot of ink and film trying to gain a few converts who are abhorred by either leaking, or murder.

I am done with this one, however it ends up coming out in the public eye, and will look for easier targets. Smile

Randomly adding some music I'll be seeing the 31st in Portland at the Hawthorne.

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I don't Blame Christians. I Blame Stupid. Which Sadly, is a much more popular religion these days.

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@detroitmechworks

Bury reality tv and General Hospital

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Why will Assange only infer?

Is there a particular reason he won't just say it was him? Unless it wasn't actually Seth but wishes to use the story to his advantage? Just curious at this point why he won't just come out and say that it was him then.

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@Strife Delivery

Wikileaks whole model is built on the premise that leakers retain absolute anonymity, even after death.

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I am waiting for you, Vizzini.

@Strife Delivery @Not Henry Kissinger

Should have already. Offering the reward and re-tweeting the story are pretty big hints, if you are head of wikileaks.

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@Strife Delivery

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@Strife Delivery
but as Not Henry Kissinger points out, the promise to keep an identity secret even after death makes sense, as the whistleblower may have any number of reasons to want it to stay secret, from protecting family to protecting colleagues who may have provided information.

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@Linda Wood Not specifically addressed to you Linda but decided to reply to all the replies I got.

I mean yes, I got the obvious answer of protecting a source. That I got even before I posted.

I don't know. Considering the utmost gravity of the entire situation we are in, particularly this Russian angle and us careening into potential nuclear holocaust based off of continuous propaganda on demonizing Russia including "hacking the DNC and the election"...

Protecting a live source, I can definitely understand.
Protecting a dead source, also can understand.
Protecting a dead source vs. releasing information on a potential dead source that could deflate a massive propaganda story that is revving us up for a potential nuclear war that could end almost all life on this planet?

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@Strife Delivery
Completely. And so here is Assange attempting to do both, I think, to deflate the Russia hoax and to protect his current and future sources as best he can:

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@Linda Wood
along with some other points of interest:

http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/dead-dnc-staffer-had-contact-with-wikileaks/

WND CRIME
Murdered DNC staffer reportedly sent 40,000 internal emails to WikiLeaks
Updated: 05/16/2017 at 1:14 PM

… A federal investigator who reviewed an FBI forensic report detailing the contents of Rich’s computer generated within 96 hours after his murder told Fox News that Rich made contact with WikiLeaks through Gavin MacFadyen, a now-deceased American investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker and director of WikiLeaks who was living in London at the time.

MacFadyen, an early mentor and defender of the founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, died of lung cancer in October 2016.

The investigator, who requested anonymity, said 44,053 emails and 17,761 attachments between DNC leaders, spanning from January 2015 through late May 2016, were transferred from Rich to MacFadyen before May 21.

… In an August 2016 interview on the Dutch television program Nieuwsuur, Assange appeared to suggest that Rich, 27, was the source of the WikiLeaks-exposed DNC emails.

“Our whistleblowers go to significant efforts to give us material, at often very significant risks,” Assange said. “There was a 27 year old, works for the DNC, who was shot in the back, murdered just a few weeks ago for unknown reasons other than that he was walking down the street in Washington.”

The interviewer interjected, “That was just a robbery, I believe, wasn’t it?”

Assange replied, “No, there’s no finding.”

The interviewer asked, “What are you suggesting?”

“I’m suggesting that our sources take risks and they become concerned to see things occurring like that,” Assange said.

“But was he one of your sources then?” asked the interviewer.

“We don’t comment on who our sources are,” Assange said. “We have to understand how high the stakes are in the United States. Our sources are, you know, our sources face serious risks. That’s why they come to us, so we can protect their anonymity.”

Assange continued: “Others have suggested that [Rich was murdered]. We are investigating. If you understand what happened in that situation with Seth Rich, I think it is a concerning situation. There’s not a conclusion yet. We wouldn’t be willing to state a conclusion, but we are concerned about it. More importantly, a variety of WikiLeaks sources are concerned when that kind of thing happens.”

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@Linda Wood
in the United States, indeed.

One can say the stakes are very high for the entire world.

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@Strife Delivery @Strife Delivery
situation before it gets out of hand. He probably has direct contacts within the US military. What is going on right now is the split between the spooks who have backed Hillary for the last 8 years and the military whom Obama took counsel from (despite lapse over Libya). The military advised against both Libya AND Syria.

It will be hard to go to war if the US military is not behind it. Despite their ingrained hawkishness, they at least understand the consequences. The part of the CIA called The Company are fucking bonkers and have created most of the shit the world is now involved in.

The game continues with the spooks working against Trump and the military (McMaster) warning against doing something rash. We can see this playing out in public right now.

BTW, the spooks were never homogeneous. There is a Team A and a Team B in the CIA. What we are seeing now is Team B (the neocon branch) working the system as per usual.

I'll do a diary on Team B in the near future when I have more time.

Edit: change link to better one

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@CB

It explains a lot. I never knew that Bob Gates served as the B Team's hitman, for example.

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@native
It is a complete history of its origins and how it has now got so powerful within the US government (Thanks to Obomber and Killary).

American Imperialism Leads the World Into Dante’s Vision of Hell
Apr 24, 2017

Editor’s note: This article is the first part of a four-part series on Truthdig called “Universal Empire”—an examination of the current stage of the neocon takeover of American policy that began after World War II.

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Now that the new Cold War has turned hot, we are led to believe that the Russians have breached this wall of not-so-truthful journalists and rattled the foundation of everything we are supposed to hold dear about the purity of the U.S. election process and “freedom of the press” in America.

Black propaganda is all about lying. Authoritarian governments lie regularly. Totalitarian governments do it so often nobody believes them. A government based on democratic principles like the United States is supposed to speak the truth, but when the U.S. government’s own documents reveal it has been lying over and over again for decades, the jig is up.

Empires have been down this road before, and it doesn’t end well. Americans are now being told they should consider all Russian opinion as fake and ignore any information that challenges the mainstream media and U.S. government on what is truth and what is the lie. But for the first time in memory, Americans have become aware that the people Secretary of State Colin Powell once called “the crazies” have taken the country over the cliff.
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Writing in the Los Angeles Times in August 2004 in an article titled “It’s Time to Bench ‘Team B,’ ” Lawrence J. Korb, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress and assistant secretary of defense from 1981 to 1985, came forward on what he knew to be the real tragedy represented by 9/11. “The reports of the Sept. 11 commission and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence missed the real problem facing the intelligence community, which is not organization or culture but something known as the ‘Team B’ concept. And the real villains are the hard-liners who created the concept out of an unwillingness to accept the unbiased and balanced judgments of intelligence professionals.”
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@CB
I want to show you something about this part of your comment:

Americans are now being told they should consider all Russian opinion as fake and ignore any information that challenges the mainstream media and U.S. government on what is truth and what is the lie.

It starts as early as 6th grade, apparently, considering this was my 6th grade son's recent school assignment.

Thad found a website for his reseach about the U.S. Constitution. Which of the following is a clue that the source may not be reliable and valid?

Correct answer: The site expresses distrust in the government and the legal system.

Lesson for the 6th grader being, never question the U.S. government or legal system; anything expressing 'distrust' in such, is invalid.

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@ChezJfrey

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I knew the propaganda and deceit was bad, but when my son showed me that, an actual school lesson, I admit that I was still floored at the blatancy. Wow. I was compelled to take a screenshot for posterity and reassure myself I wasn't hallucinating.

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and some suspect behavior, and several unusual coincidences, yes... but so far at least, no hard evidence. No fire, that I can see.

Seth Rich's laptop might well contain the missing key. Who has it, and why is it being kept secret? Releasing the info on that computer could answer a lot of questions, and obviate the need for excessive speculation. I would also like to know why the FBI got involved with this case in the first place. That in itself is unusual, and cause for suspicion.

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@native

Lawyer was told both and isn't sure. He is trying to get it.

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@native
why even confiscate a laptop in a simple robbery on the street investigation?

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because those other crooks are truly evil, or Russia or something.

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@Cassiodorus

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with getting all worked up about the possibility of a laptop proving the theory that Seth Rich was Wikileaks' source, is that it has the feeling of the recent film, Truth, the true story of Mary Mapes and Dan Rather's reporting for 60 Minutes about George W. Bush's Air National Guard service, which kept him out of Vietnam.

The story was true, but the leak was flawed in a way that discredited the story itself. In the end, you come to realize that the Bush machine knew the story would emerge and harm W., so they released it themselves in a way that would be flawed and discredited, thereby making the whole issue go away. Pretty interesting. But it's why I get queazy about big proofs coming out about a laptop. I hope this story has credibility.

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@Linda Wood The Rather caper was a brilliant set up.

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@Linda Wood Muddying the waters in a way not seen since Sen. Joe McCarthy and the height of the Red Scare in the 1950s, the “Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act” signed into law without fanfare by President Obama in December 2016 officially authorizes a government censorship bureaucracy comparable only to George Orwell’s fictional Ministry of Truth in his novel “1984.” Referred to as the Global Engagement Center, the official purpose of the new bureaucracy will be to “recognize, understand, expose, and counter foreign state and non-state propaganda and disinformation efforts aimed at undermining United States national security interests.”

But the real purpose of this totally Orwellian center will be to manage, eliminate or censor any dissenting views that challenge Washington’s newly manufactured version of the truth and to intimidate, harass or jail anyone who tries. Criminalizing dissent is nothing new in time of war, but after 16 years of ceaseless warfare in Afghanistan, a Stalingrad–like defeat in Iraq and with Henry Kissinger advising President Trump on foreign policy, the Global Engagement Center has already assumed the characteristics of a dangerous farce.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/american_imperialism_world_dantes_v...

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@ggersh Right on:

But the real purpose of this totally Orwellian center will be to manage, eliminate or censor any dissenting views that challenge Washington’s newly manufactured version of the truth and to intimidate, harass or jail anyone who tries.

Russia is needed to criminalize dissent. Last year the NYTimes ran a regular news story which claimed that Putin was behind the resistance to TPP. The EU looks to be ahead in this score as they are looking jail time and fines.

In Germany, politicians eager to counter Russian meddling and populist movements in upcoming parliamentarian elections have issued similar calls. Justice Minister Heiko Maas argues that authorities need the power to impose prison terms for fake news on social media.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/shutting-down-fake-news-could-mo...

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@MrWebster The mainstream parties in Germany are coming to resemble the old East German bloc parties in that they all agree on the basics — neocon foreign policy and neoliberal economics — and govern much like one big coalition. Looking at the various state governments, among CDU, SPD, Greens, and FDP everyone partners with everyone else in at least one state.

Differences exist, but the German media and cultural establishment are good at their role of “manufacturing consent” and are able to keep the range of “acceptable” opinion on hot topics such as immigration or U.S.-led wars very narrow.

With national elections coming up in September, the elites are desperate to keep information at variance with the official feel-good narrative from reaching German voters. After all, If too many people know too much, they might just be tempted to embarrass said elites by racking up an extra percentage point or two for the ex-communist Left Party or the Alt-Right AfD.

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@MrWebster same thing in Brazil, France, Greece etc.etc.etc.

UK next.

https://www.facebook.com/TheIndependentOnline/videos/10154789755151636/

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Got links from Michael Tracey twitter. Shareblue: there will be organized marches demanding an independent investigation of Trump and collusion with Russia.

http://shareblue.com/more-than-70-cities-will-march-for-truth-to-demand-...

There is a link to a story which obviously conflates ISIS as equivalent to the Russian people.

GOP hides in Trump’s shadow as he sells out America to ISIS and Russia
http://shareblue.com/gop-hides-in-trumps-shadow-as-he-sells-out-america-...

It hit me that when has there been a march in America explicitly targeting one foreign nation as doing evil things to America? Were there marches across 70 cities against Saddam's Iraq and Al Queda? Against Saudi Arabia? Against Kaddafi's Libya? Against Taliban?

There have been small anti-Muslim marches which probably got more reporters than demonstrators. Probably some small KKK marches. Small neo-Nazi gathers. But in 70 cities marches aimed against Russia as the compelling evil foreign outside entity?

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@MrWebster
coukoo.

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@MrWebster against the perceived transgressions of foreign countries, but they usually are organized by totalitarian governments. Team B and the beltway apparatchiks have taken a page from Stalin.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

@dervish Yah, very true about totalitarian states and organized/orchestrated marches. We have come a long way from anti-war marches against the Iraq war to essentially pro-conflict marches against Russia. The xenophobia of the democrats and the mass media will lead to the calling of blood.

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@MrWebster
between real and fake protests.

If the media covers it like it's real and legitimate, it is fake.

If the media talks about protesters being dirty and leaving excrement or otherwise behaving badly, the protest is real but the stories are fake.

Pretty simple.

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@dervish they took the whole book, all volumes, amendments, addendums included. And with loving admiration too.

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@MrWebster

that "progressive" Americans could be so easily and thoroughly manipulated, en masse? What the fuck happened to these people? They seem to have utterly lost the plot.

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@native but it's a real cesspool today. Unbelievably so. It's amazing how many have been sucked in by these stories, although I notice that these stories are being promoted by the same dozen or so people.

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@dervish
Hard to stomach for more than a minute or two. What seems so weird is that until recently I thought of the Kos crowd as political allies, generally speaking. And I'm not sure who changed more, them or me.

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@native It wasn't you.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

@native I guess I can guess at what happened, but something did for sure. It has become a kind of fun house of mirrors. The entrance looks okay until you go inside.

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