Questions of human nature in light of the coronavirus

The usual invocation of "human nature" is that people are X based on our chromosomes, that one can look at human behaviors and say "it must be in the DNA." This is, I suppose, what one can read in Steven Pinker books, though from limited exposure I know that I can't stand Steven Pinker so I don't really know for sure.

At any rate, the refutation of what Richard C. Lewontin calls "biology as ideology," or genetic determinism, is offered in an anthology by Kathleen R. Gibson titled "Complexities; Beyond Nature and Nurture" titled "Epigenesis, Brain Plasticity, and Behavioral Versatility: Alternatives to Standard Evolutionary Psychology Models." The point of this essay is that people's brains differ from those of other animals in such a way that we can't simply skip over culture, free will, et cetera in attributing behavior directly to DNA. People are capable of: 1) higher order reasoning, 2) repurposing portions of their brains, and 3) lifelong learning in ways in which other animals aren't. This is why we are not simple reflections of our DNA.

Gibson's paper is of course narrowly focused upon evolutionary psychology. For us, however, what matters is that people are basically tool-makers, and that people are (like the rest of the natural world, and, yes, people ARE part of "nature") fragile. The first of these things is a byproduct of the higher-order reasoning capabilities, though our tool-making abilities didn't have to turn out in the specific way they did. Human fragility, on the other hand, is a sort of baseline quality -- like any other animal, people are mortal.

What does it mean to say that people are fragile? When something is fragile, that means that it can be broken beyond repair. We know that the rest of the world is fragile; this can be ascertained from a history of wild animals, whose populations have suffered precipitous declines around the world since 1960. Even the oceans are fragile; they're being fished out so that sometimes-mercury-laden fish can be placed upon dinner tables. Meanwhile coral reefs are disappearing as significant increases in Earth's atmospheric carbon dioxide endowment acidify the oceans. As regards human fragility, I have to regard the extended period of human childhood as the example par excellence of this. People (unlike other animals) live in thinking communities because they have to go through childhood.

As for people being tool-makers, one of the byproducts of our advanced tool-making is our ability to use it to kill each other. The last century saw this ability on full display in two catastrophic world wars, the first of which ended in an influenza pandemic which killed millions of people.

So here today we're on the verge of another influenza pandemic. The panic is tangible; Italy is on lockdown, the state of Washington has banned large gatherings, the NBA is considering eliminating fans from games, the Presidential campaigns have ground to a halt. As for Italy, we see this on Facebook:

I am writing to you from Bergamo, Italy, at the heart of the coronavirus crisis. The news media in the US has not captured the severity of what is happening here. I am writing this post because each of you, today, not the government, not the school district, not the mayor, each individual citizen has the chance, today to take actions that will deter the Italian situation from becoming your own country’s reality. The only way to stop this virus is to limit contagion. And the only way to limit contagion is for millions of people to change their behavior today.

If you are in Europe or the US you are weeks away from where we are today in Italy.

I can hear you now. “It’s just a flu. It only affects old people with preconditions”

There are 2 reasons why Coronavirus has brought Italy to it’s knees. First it is a flu is devastating when people get really sick they need weeks of ICU – and, second, because of how fast and effectively it spreads. There is 2 week incubation period and many who have it never show symptoms.

When Prime Minister Conte announced last night that the entire country, 60 million people, would go on lock down, the line that struck me most was “there is no more time.” Because to be clear, this national lock down, is a hail mary. What he means is that if the numbers of contagion do not start to go down, the system, Italy, will collapse.

Why? Today the ICUs in Lombardy are at capacity – more than capacity. They have begun to put ICU units in the hallways. If the numbers do not go down, the growth rate of contagion tells us that there will be thousands of people who in a matter of a week? two weeks? who will need care. What will happen when there are 100, or a 1000 people who need the hospital and only a few ICU places left?

On Monday a doctor wrote in the paper that they have begun to have to decide who lives and who dies when the patients show up in the emergency room, like what is done in war. This will only get worse.

There are a finite number of drs, nurses, medical staff and they are getting the virus. They have also been working non-stop, non-stop for days and days. What happens when the drs, nurses and medical staff are simply not able to care for the patients, when they are not there?

And finally for those who say that this is just something that happens to old people, starting yesterday the hospitals are reporting that younger and younger patients – 40, 45, 18, are coming in for treatment.

You have a chance to make a difference and stop the spread in your country. Push for the entire office to work at home today, cancel birthday parties, and other gatherings, stay home as much as you can. If you have a fever, any fever, stay home. Push for school closures, now. Anything you can do to stop the spread, because it is spreading in your communities – there is a two week incubation period – and if you do these things now you can buy your medical system time.

And for those who say it is not possible to close the schools, and do all these other things, locking down Italy was beyond anyone’s imagination a week ago.

Soon you will not have a choice, so do what you can now.

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It would have been nice if people had focused upon their fragility, and looked earlier to stop the juggernaut of global conquest and thereafter to find ways in which we could all live in small, tightly-knit, communities in which values were appropriate to collective human flourishing.

Medicine and sanitation might have been appropriate things to develop as opposed to the standard overinvestment in tools of warfare. Common sense might have provided appropriate collectivist alternatives to capitalist or state-capitalist ideology.

Instead what developed was what environmental historians call the Great Acceleration, an anomalous development of human tool-making in which ecological limitations were discarded in favor of the capitalist system's imperative of endless "growth." Nothing like the Great Acceleration occurred over the previous 200,000 years of human existence on the planet -- but it's happening now. The Great Acceleration, like capitalism, is not a fact of human nature; it's a confluence of several things, all of which can be attributed to the hierarchical societies which conquered the world over the past five centuries -- capitalist "growth," elite ignorance of human fragility, conquest itself, new tools of warfare among them. For nearly all of human history there was no Great Acceleration; that's the dominant fact.

Part of this Great Acceleration is the great acceleration in human populations. Now, "populationism" has itself become a problem; it's the ideology which preaches that there are too many people, without reference to the cause of there being too many people -- capitalist "growth." The overpopulation catch, however, is that if there are too many people, there can also be a dieoff of too many people, and nobody wants to live through that. Well that's what the coronavirus has become -- panic in light of what appears to be a fated mass dieoff. We will need all of our human nature to deal with it.

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Reactive rather than proactive. Waiting for logarithmic growth before altering behavior.

As to it being in our DNA, our microbiome has many times the quantity of our DNA inside us. The composition of that microbiome has been shown to alter the expression of our DNA, and changing the composition of those critters can turn on and off different genetic behaviors. Too bad they have not selected a probiotic that favors the ability to plan and think ahead which could be delivered to the population.

I expect to see the spread here to follow the Italian model rather than China's, Taiwan's, and S. Korea.

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@Lookout There's nothing in human nature that prevents us from choosing well. Choosing well, however, might have meant a different developmental history than the one we've experienced, and that we're experiencing now.

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juggernaut of global conquest

guess the greedsters don't care much
beyond their next collective bank statements

the rest of us will suffer their short termed gains

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not DNA, are the controllers when mass action is required.

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I also especially appreciated the comments from the Italian man.

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@Granma https://www.facebook.com/cristina.higgins.7/posts/10157623212885189

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the route of nurture vs nature. Humans need others to survive. A new born will die with out help from others. That is a simple fact.

Consider our own country, we somehow developed the "idea" that healthcare is a privilege for only those that can afford it. But consider, the US was built on economic & racial discrimination, the "DNA" for this "idea", is rooted in the constitution where only white property owners could vote.

So, with 244 years of "nurturing" the "idea's" of "white supremacy" and "economic self interest", we humans can do what ever we want, will somehow blossom into some great society, is manifestly absurd as evidenced by our current predicament.

To paraphrase Thomas Paine...

God gave us Male and Female, the bible gave us Kings and Queens, Civilized society gave us rich and poor.

That "civilized society" held back the "natural" development of humans, and have "nurtured" us humans in the "belief" in a cruel GOD, which has kept us from "evolving" beyond a cave man mentality, but we have developed a bunch of exciting tools, we can kill one another, remotely with the push of a button.

And we call that "progress".

[video:https://youtu.be/OgeJilyRpfw]

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@RantingRooster Metaphoric DNA is something else.

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@Cassiodorus One can't get passed "humans can not survive without help from others" by analyzing DNA.

We, ie humans, can't really "prove" DNA's impact on human "nature", it's been modified through countless generations of mixing with differing human species (Homo Sapien , Neanderthals etc...) and mutating from natural sources of radiation and other DNA damaging pollutants and toxins naturally occurring in our environment.

In other words, we can't create a true control environment for testing.

We also don't have the original DNA from which life sprung forth, not to mention we haven't learned all the fun things DNA actually does in our bodies.

On an evolutionary timescale, humans have barley "evolved" beyond pond scum. We marvel at our "tools", yet our mental state is "conditioned" in an unnatural way, and we still don't know how that affects our DNA or if it actually does have an impact. But our hubris leads us to "believe" we are the masters of the universe, simply because we're good tool makers.

But, social "conditioning", ie social conformity in the face of obvious truth, re-writes our brains at the neurological level.

Consider for a moment, the Solomom Asch experiments in 1951, to study and measure the effects of social conformity. The goal was to ascertain how many people would conform to the perception of those around them, when the group's position contradicted their own senses. He had believed that the majority of participants would not conform and give an answer that was obviously wrong; however, results showed that 37% of people would conform to the crowd consistently and 75% conformed at least some of the time. Asch was uncertain as to whether this conformity was limited to social compliance or whether it was actually influencing perception at the neurological level.

In 2005 neuroscience Gregory Berns sought to answer this question. Berns created a variation of Asch's experiment, this time measuring brain wave activity during the test to determine at what level of the brain this conformity was taking place. The results showed very clearly that the Occipital and Parietal lobes were the most active when the participants were answering incorrectly. This meant that conformity was actually altering the perception of the test subjects at the neurological level. (Let that sink in...)

I realize DNA is deeper than a neuron, heck it's what neurons are ultimately made of, are they not? But, changes happening at the neurological level, simply by accepting something that is fundamentally false, because a group exerts external "peer pressure", and the individual's (internal) "need" (function of DNA?) for acceptance, re-write their brains on how they see / experience / perceive the "natural" world. That is profoundly significant in and of it's self.

That (imho), is more of function of nature, not DNA . But, is it one of DNA's function(s), to enable / trigger this "social conformity" mechanism, into re-writing our brains, so we can "just get along"? How does one test it? (I have no clue)

Also consider all the years we used leaded gasoline and pumped billions of tons into our environment, and the possible effects it's had on generations of people's DNA.

We concluded that although the single strand breaks following irradiation were not affected by blood lead concentration, the metal seems to sensitize the cells to damage induced by other genotoxicants.

What role, if any, does particle physics play in our DNA and it's function(s)?
What role, if any, does traumatic experiences (intense emotions) have on DNA?

Yet on the flip side, when someone says "I feel it my bones", or "intrinsic", or "instinct", maybe that's our DNA screaming out (string theory vibrations?) against the unnatural order we live in today. Is there a "right and wrong" encoded into our DNA?

Imagine if the world developed without the "idea" (ie social conformity/conditioning) of a god or gods? I wonder how our "evolution" would have been different, if at all. Is it "encoded" in our DNA to "believe" in a God or gods, when the human brain can't make heads or tails of "events" or strange phenomenon?

Yet, our ancient ancestors mapped the stars, created mechanisms to measure "time", created all kinds of "wonders" with such precision, that humans can't even replicate today without "machines" ie "power" tools.

Is that nature, nurture, or according to Ancient Astronaut Theorist... "Aliens"? Crazy

These are questions I'm not sure humans will be able to answer, "without help from others".

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are, at beat, extensions of our hands and minds

When our minds become tools for the power
architects, the 'tools' no longer work
for the benefit of

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way of protecting herself from the 'virus' that has infected her - Homo Sapiens. Her rising fever has demonstrated her increasing distress at this viral load.

In response, she has created 'antibodies', the coronavirus, in an attempt to destroy that which has been slowly destroying her. She has the time, we just have the clocks. In the end she will win.

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@CB in arguing such a line.

The human race has existed on this planet for at least 200,000 years. The "virus" started with Europe's conquest of the world and creation of the global capitalist system five centuries ago, and the disease became full-blown with World War II and its aftermath. So basically there was no ecological problem with the human relationship to the world for 199,500 of those 200,000 years. This is not to say that members of Homo Sapiens don't have a problem in spending their adult lives believing a bunch of nonsense -- of course they have that problem -- but that such a problem, call it ideology or religion or what have you, didn't constitute an ecological problem until 500 years ago.

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@Cassiodorus
I was talking about "Gaia". It is obvious my comment was allegorical.

BTW, some viruses start off very benign and can linger for decades before suddenly becoming malignant due to extenuating circumstances such as overcrowding and/or environmental conditions.

The fact of the matter is that the earth cannot support 7.5 billion people living like the average American. We, as a species, either downsize our resource use or we die off with disease and pestilence. Gaia doesn't give a damn how it is done as she doesn't play favorites - a cockroach or a human is all the same to her.

Speaking of pestilence, the coronavirus has stolen the headlines from this acute problem:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4KEUoeZ0fU]

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@CB is an allegory of anything real. The allegory of capitalists as viruses in human form, however, makes a lot of sense.

Cristoforo Colombo, or Cristóbal Colón, or Christopher Columbus if you like, cared about money more than anything else in the world in which he lived. His conquest of the island of Hispaniola was the beginning of what was probably the biggest extermination episode in human history. Also of great importance was the accompanying catastrophic importation of European and African species into the Americas, especially those of genus Variola, or smallpox.

Capital is quite lethal. It entails that the whole world be turned into a profit-making machine. The only human force in historical time that was remotely as deadly as capital was that of the Roman Empire, and the Empire was thankfully a local phenomenon.

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@Cassiodorus
and stuck it in the ground (or another Homo) he began to behave just like a virus attacking Gaia. The only reason the early Homo didn't do much damage to the world was that the earth was huge and the reach of his stick was small.

Then along came Homo erectus who learned to attach a rock to their sticks and also make a home cooked meal. Having the ability to stand taller, see further and run faster, Homo erectus proceeded to exterminate their cousins by whacking them on the head with their handy stick-stones. Getting free stuff this way was much faster and easier than running down a gazelle.

Homo erectus then had lots of spare time in the evenings sitting around the fire to ponder the meaning of life and where and how they would get tomorrow's dinner. They pondered so much that their brains swelled up and after a short 200 to 300 thousand years they were no longer recognizable. They needed a new moniker in recognition of their fat heads: Homo sapien.

Fat headed Homo sapiens are noted for taking the manufacture of stick-stones to weapons of mass destruction in a short matter of 50,000 years. Unfortunately, the side effects of having a fat head are the seven deadly sins - pride, greed, lust, wrath, gluttony, envy and sloth. In point of fact, it was these very traits that helped to create the fat head in the first place. Chicken and egg thing. (Personally, I'd say it was the rooster.)

But it was these same fat heads that have originated every single socioeconomic, political system and war to date. It's our nature.

BTW, viruses have every right to be here. They were here well before us and will be here after we have gone.

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@CB for most of our existence on the Earth we didn't have economic or political systems. And we had traditional ecological knowledge, rather than the Cartesian dualism of mind and body.

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@Cassiodorus
have been killing one another. We are just more organized and efficient now.

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more selective

(see Darwin, et.al)

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Title of a book by Robert Ardrey, who wrote about early studies of anthropoid evolution in Africa. According to anthropologist Raymond Dart, the "tools" associated with Australopithecine (pre-Homo) cave dwellings were weapons. They were leg bones of prey animals which were used as bludgeons. The movie 2001 portrayed this notion graphically (and probably inaccurately). It was previously considered much more palatable to portray our heritage as "tool user" rather than "killer". Of course, genus Homo developed much more refined tools such as sharp flints on spears. To be fair, hunter-gatherers did develop genuine peaceful tools such as digging sticks and awls. But which came first: the awl or the bone stiletto? Industrial economy amplifies both, but capitalism favors the stiletto over the awl, because modern weapons get consumed and need constant replacement.

We have cooperation within the group, and aggression towards "the other", to oversimplify.

I tend to think that our seeming imbalance (with Gaia or whatever) is a consequence of the ancient climate change which replaced African forest with savannah. Our pre-Homo ancestors learned to walk upright and run down prey rather than brachiate, freeing the hands for complex tasks, which led to brain growth. Instead of being well-adapted tree-dwelling specialists, we became generalist nomads wandering the world, cross-breeding with our branches. A surprisingly close approximation of the Eden myth. I read that the closest genome to the American Indian is the Tuvan of Central Asia, and Denisovan genes are found in New Guinea.

In population biology, unrestrained growth always hits a limit: whether of resources or contagion, an overly-dense population is a vulnerable one. And now we have the artificial density of rapid global travel and commerce (where capital exports low wages and pollution to poorer countries) spreading invasive species, such as microbes, around the globe bam-bam-bam.

And no, I don't believe biology is destiny, but rationality has one hell of a time cutting through the noise. My upbringing in an all-white blue-collar environment taught me that other races are inferior; reading Huckleberry Finn and Malcolm X helped crack that bubble. Hmm. Come to think of it, the emotional quality of empathy had more to do with that personal growth than rationality. I don't believe that rationality can overcome "instinct" without the emotional support of the cooperative aspects of our animal nature.

This is maybe OT from the essay. But a friend liked a one-liner I threw off once: "Humans are a self-correcting error". Excessively cynical, I hope.

Stay well, stay safe.

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The best guesses on the coronavirus transmittal rate centers around 6 - 7 days for a doubling of the cases. The U.S. rate has gone from 566 on Sunday night to 1066 cases this morning (Weds 3 -11-2020). The high end of this time period is 4 days. These numbers rate have been calculated by the CSSE at Johns Hopkins without the test kits being widely available. Follow the math and numbers here:

CSSE Johns Hopkins

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with little more than half the day gone by. I give the doubling rate at 5 days. This is going to be brutal especially as there is going to be 5 plus epicenters to deal with.

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Warriors to play Nets without fans in arena following San Francisco order

Folks, these are contractual obligation games. The next step is that the NBA declares bankruptcy (along with the rest of professional sports) and that its players either retire to their mansions or join the gig economy.

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