The Kavanaugh hearings and the Lack of Radical Action

"The Republican and Democratic parties, or, to be more exact, the Republican-Democratic party, represent the capitalist class in the class struggle. They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles."

(The Socialist Party and the Working Class". Eugene V. Debs' opening speech as Presidential candidate of the Socialist Party in Indianapolis, Indiana, www.marxists.org. September 1, 1904.)

I haven't paid any attention to the "Kavanaugh hearings" other than reading some headlines and some comments here and there. It's not that I don't care about the Supreme Court, although my paying attention to this bullshit won't change a damn thing, it's more that the entire spectacle of watching this country's political system in action, with or without sex crime accusations, makes me sick.

I'm writing this because I clicked on an article titled, "More Like a Hijacking Than A Democracy, Senator Graham" because the reference to democracy interested me (we don't live in one for the ten thousandth time). I scanned the article, which has a photo of Lindsey Graham and some suits against a wood grained background of political importance, and saw it contained information about the process and system being followed by the oligarchy controlled duopoly.

At this point in my life, I'm adamantly against having a "Supreme" court with nine One Percenter assholes appointed for LIFE by the duopoly unrepresentatives having the power of life, death or misery over hundreds of millions of people, and beyond when it comes down to it. What bullshit. As with everything else in our national political system, the system and process has become so warped, corrupt, partisan and ideological it's pathetic.

Plenty of people are asking why the process is unfolding the way it is, with the sex allegations as the focal point, but very few are asking why we have a system like this at all. Why do we need this? Who and what is this for? Aren't there better options? Why are we letting all these assholes do this to us? WHY do we let the corrupt and oligarchy controlled democratic and republican parties completely control this process? In the end, isn't this just another example of how fucked up our political system is at the national level?

After I scanned the article linked above, I clicked on Paul Craig Roberts latest,
Where Does Our Attention Belong: Kavanaugh or Yemen?.

"The real question before the American people is why are they, the media, the government, MeToo feminists, the Identity Politics Democrats and liberal-progressive-left, and conservatives stone silent while Washington enables Saudia Arabia to murder the Yemeni people to the point that Yemenis have to eat leaves in a desperate attempt to survive."

Kind of the same old, same old Paul. I think the real question is why can't enough of us organize together to challenge those that rule us. I mean really challenge, like revolution type challenge. Overthrow these motherfuckers type challenge. This isn't new. Look at that Debs quote, 1904. Nothing is new, we keep doing the same shit over and over. Maybe that's just the way it is, but then again, we're smarter than that aren't we? Why aren't more people calling for/demanding radical change to our fucked up political system completely controlled by the rich? Why are vastly more people wondering whether Ford's accusations are true than those wondering how to change our FUBAR/SNAFU political system?

They're doing all this shit and then we're going to have another election. Shit.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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@divineorder very tragic. A lot more to stop than just Yemen however. The whole game needs to be stopped. That might be the only way to stop anything.

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in part because a lot of people who did not watch missed the Democrat senators of the confirmation committee who actually did some important questioning. Another reason is that there is just some very good information here about the state of the current SCOTUS and how K will fit right in. *choke*

For me (in answer to one of your questions), this decision on the SC is massively important because if K is confirmed, all those issues you decry are only going to get worse. Yes, people are dying thanks to US policies, US bombs and US greed. More will die when the SC gives the president unlimited powers. And as things are going whether it is a D or and R will make no difference.

And yes, the T will only nominate another conservative, however, it would be hard to find one quite as bent on re-writing the Constitution as this one is.

Edit: Please do not let the stupid lettering on the graphic keep you from watching the video. I have no clue why people do that...well, yes, I do, but it is stupid and misleading. All this is is a clip from the confirmation hearings, that is it. No yelling or screaming or anything like the lettering implies.

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@WindDancer13 Is one of the biggest issues that concerns me regarding the nomination of Kavanaugh. Whitehouse did a good job of bringing it to fore.

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some of the confirmation hearing was solid. There were several senators who made really great points that uncovered some of K's thinking. People really need to watch the proceedings rather than rely on hearsay. That is not to say that all of it was good and not nearly enough was good, but it was better than what I have heard people here say (including myself sometimes, due to frustration at other questioners who did little to bring out the facts).

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@WindDancer13 This gap between those who believe in the system and those who don't is not bridgeable. I continue to have these conversations because I believe it's important, for the sake of civil society, which is now entirely the purview of the little guy, to continue to have polite discussions with those with whom I disagree. In other words, community and friendship can exist between those who disagree. That's the reason, and the only reason, that people on opposite sides of this divide should continue talking--but it's an important reason, in my book.

Aside from such concerns, those who believe what WindDancer believes and those who believe what BigAl believes have no common frame of reference. In other words, the two sides do not see the same reality.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt-out light bulb.
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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal What to do with someone* you know who spouts some crap. Not the RW nutjob Foxers, but someone you've known maybe for years that one day says something and then never says anything like it again (to me at least). At TOP it would be grounds to label that person as whatever and cut them dead, and still being friendly with them makes you just as (sexist, racist, whatever). In some ways that may be right....if it's a movement, I guess, but in day to day a lot of people may not even think about whatever offensive statement they might give an opinion on until they are directly asked. It's not at their core, but it's there. Arguing mostly backs someone into a corner, and they end up defending themselves, not their opinion. And by knowing and still speaking to people with these opinions are you supporting them in some way? I feel we all have so much in common, but obviously they can only take that so far. So, what to do?

*not any particular individual, just have run into many situations like this.

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@Snode Since my mom is one of those people, in that she believes firmly in Russiagate, I am pretty committed to continuing to talk. I mainly talk around politics.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt-out light bulb.
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Small wonder you've learned to how to disengage when you need to.

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What I don't agree with is having relationships with and being civil to people who perpetuate and permit the destruction of all the benefits and opportunity I grew up with and benefitted from. They are directly shitting on and hurting my kids and grandchildren, and there is no way I can be civil to that. If I could put all the Trump trolls in Texas, build a wall, and watch them cage match each other to the death, I'd gladly pay for that. If I could put all of the Hillbamabots in New York, I'd gladly pay for another wall.

However, none of them is my mom.

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@dkmich It's tough. I've always had the same politics as my mom and her friends, till Jan 2017.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal My father (long gone) was a Bircher...used to give away copies of "None Dare Call it Treason" in the 1960's. Wanted so much for me to read it and agree with it. We had a difficult relationship.

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@Snode My mom and I always shared the same political views, until this latest shift. Now she says things like "I want to hear what Jeb Bush has to say," and turns up CNN.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt-out light bulb.
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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Meh, it's only politics. Politics doesn't love you back, no matter how much you give it.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

In one heated conversation. He called me a communist. My reply: I would rather be a communist than a fascist like him.

Ah, fond memories of family life . . .

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is their belief so you can understand where they are coming from.

Many, many years ago, I worked at a job in which I shared a room with one other person. I, in a phone conversation at that time, made the comment "I am free, white and over 21." This is a saying I had heard from my parents innumerable times while I was growing up and didn't think anything about it or what it implied.

The young woman who shared the space with me called me out on the saying. That took courage, I think, especially as she first had to get past my defensiveness. She did not allow me to go on unthinkingly using a statement that was offensive.

She could have just condemned me for the saying, but she didn't. She tried to see past the offensiveness to what lay behind my usage of it and helped me understand what was wrong with making such statements. I have never used that statement again.

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this is unbridgeable. I understand and agree with a lot of what Big Al says. My problem is that sometimes he throws the baby out with the bathwater.

Like most people many of us here respond to others comments with a knee-jerk response instead of taking the time to actually listen. Not just listen, but listen and understand the underlying meaning of the words, the philosophy and the pain. This lack is what creates the Us against Them attitude seen across the country. It also solidifies our confirmation biases.

I stand firm on something I have said in several posts: We (those who believe in a more liberal, truly democratic society) need to Adopt a Right-Winger, whether it is a D or an R. This does not mean that one should choose to engage with someone is already off the cliff. Baby steps...choose someone who is one degree to five degrees from one's own stance. A story of two women who tried, but were too far apart from the beginning: For two Nebraska women, the Kavanaugh hearings test their view of their country, of Trump and each other Baby steps.

Much of my philosophy can be seen in my first essay here at c99: Republicans (or fill in the blank) are not the enemy.

We are the enemy when we…
do not listen, really listen, with our minds open and unafraid.

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@WindDancer13

in the town square, brand them with a D for dummy, and hang them at dawn. Life is too short to have to put up with stupid, mean, and ugly.

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I didn't mean that anyone should pick a rabid one. That is why the suggestion is to pick one who is one to five degrees from one's own position (which, by the way, with that small of a difference, that some people may consider some of us here to be in need of adoption). = )

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@WindDancer13 productions, but when they go back to their plush taxpayer funded offices and get on the phone with their money trains it all goes down the rabbit hole. And I don't hear any of them asking questions about torture, imperialism, corporate personhood, etc., just the same useful health care carrot and stick items like "pre-existing conditions".
And if it's not Kavanaugh, then who? Same thing only different. It's a system that doesn't work for me and you, it's meant to protect the rich oligarchy.

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@Big Al I think that may be the purpose of these productions: so that each side can pontificate for the populace.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

all along, and why I think that the Judicial Committee hearing is not the most appropriate/best suited venue for this type of testimony. I have to say, IMO, it might have been a more productive proceeding, if both sides had used a professional prosecutor of their own choosing. Of course, it was absurd, that she didn't question K, as well.

Finally, got to hear Dr Ford's testimony--it was very compelling. And, she was definitely very likeable--had to smile at her comment about 'collegiality' regarding taking a break. Everyone deserves due process under the law (I got it). So, I hope that the ongoing investigations will be yield something definitive.

Now that Maryland authorities have said that they are willing to investigate charges (posted link at WD13's essay), I fervently hope that Dr Blasey Ford will take them up on that offer. Second accuser, was at a Yale party, probably won't apply to her. I 'think' the third accuser was in Maryland, though. Considering that Avenatti is her attorney, I'm surprised that she's not already taking legal recourse. After all, if K were to slide by 'cause the FBI can't corroborate her claims in such a short period of time, he can be impeached later.

One more thing, K was, to some extent, considered a more 'moderate,' almost milquetoast, pick from DT's list (according to talking heads). He was/is a 'Bushie.' IOW, mainstream Repub, not as much a cultural warrior as some on 'the list.' His wife worked for GWB for years (in Texas), and, GWB nominated him for his current seat (K worked as a major staffer for him. That's how me met his wife, Ashley). Anyhoo, GWB is trying to help push his nomination through. Don't know, he could have some sway with the corporatist mainstream Repubs--like Collins.

Pure speculation, going by the most recent quotes I've heard (today) from DT--I have to wonder if he hasn't already selected another nominee. Heard that FBI may finish today. Per CNN, they'll vote as soon as the investigation ends. Bear in mind, Dems are now saying that want (I think) '26' individuals investigated, not the original agreed upon small number. (No way that'll happen.) So, we'll figuring that K will be dropped like a hot potato in a day, or so. So that Repubs can proceed with the next nominee.

Update: McConnell just said (on floor) that there will be a vote on K this week--no more extensions of time and/or scope. So, guess I stand corrected! Wink

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strong for Kavanaugh.
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In the least. Which suggests he has hung him out to dry, tossed him under the bus.
This is big for McConnell and Graham becuz they have come out gunsablazing for this asshat and, by gawd, they are going to ram this thru to victory! So help them gawd.

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@Wink Trump has been full throated in his support Kavanaugh at all of his (Trump's) campaign stops this week, as have the attending people.

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If not K, who? Yes, it will be another right-wing ideologue; however, it won't be one who has written extensively on the unlimited powers of the president and who said president cannot be indited (a distinct change from what he said about Bill Clinton).

It would probably be helpful if people understood that politicians are human and not saints. We often complain about them voting for this or that, but rarely take the time to check on exactly what they voted for. There are riders to every bill nowadays. Do politicians sometimes have to swallow and accept a bill because something else important to them and/or to the nation has been included in a rider? This was used quite successfully against Bernie Sanders in the primaries.

We the People long ago quit paying attention. Maybe it is late in the day to start paying attention now, but there is an awakening as these laws and rulings begin to touch the lives of common citizens.

Example: A great many people died to ensure that workers could fight for their rights. Reagan managed to sweep most of those rights away and no one paid attention. Today, we are starting to see teacher's strike for their rights. Other's will follow.

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@WindDancer13

and why the republicans are doing everything that they can to make sure that he is. He has already ruled against workers rights in other cases as well as on other issues that the PTB want squashed. His appointment goes much further than Roe v Wade.

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of the agenda against the American people and the rest of the world.

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@WindDancer13 That I'm wrong and should pay attention? That the democrats are asking good questions and it's important because Kavanaugh must be denied? That the teachers strikes are good? That politicians are doing the best they can?
I was basically trying to say the political system sucks and needs to be replaced. Are you disagreeing? That's fine, I'm just not sure what you're getting at relative to my essay.

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@Big Al
said in this essay and in other places, but as I have also stated is that sometimes you throw the baby out with the bathwater.

You asked some questions in the response I replied to (I replied to your post, not the essay) that shows you do not know what the senators asked, yet you continue to condemn them without those facts in hand.

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the entire confirmation process does not matter — a distraction? just one bourgeouis cabal against another? — and therefore, focus on what anyone said or what may or may not be a fact regarding it, is a waste of time and energy.

As with any kind of source material, one can invite people to inspect a video one thinks is important — at some point it may come across as tiresome and disrespectful to continue to pester them about not having watched it.

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informed before condemning a process or those involved?

Pretty much anything that is happening in politics today is a distraction from something else that is essential to our survival. One needs to choose their battlefields, carefully. This is one that I, personally, am interested in and feel that people need to know the facts before they try to tear the house down.

I may make a statement about a subject I only know the basics of (usually something flippant, but not combative) , but I do not dispute the facts until I know them.

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@WindDancer13 I think the baby got thrown out a while ago, and not by us.

This is what I mean when I say we probably can't share a common frame of reference. We might, however, be able to do cool things that don't have to do with, well, the U.S. political system. Like feed people, including ourselves, become economically and ecologically more independent and sustainable (a lot harder to do this far into the coup than a couple decades ago, but still worth trying), make friends, have festivals, play music.

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@WindDancer13 taking more and more power since forever. To me, GWB was one of the more radical presidents in this area. Then again, Obama suspended habeas corpus, paving the way for further weakening of HC.

Each side argues for their president to have more power, and they urge the president to use it.

K is not going to cause anymore deaths than any other SC nominee. Congress and presidents have been perfectly happy killing people off worldwide.

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@WindDancer13

Q1. Whether private insurance companies have to cover pre-existing conditions. (Implicitly defends the predatory private healthcare middlemen. This question would have far more appropriate in say, 1994.)

Q2. Executive Privilege (process argument that really has nothing to do with Kavanaugh's record or activities)

Q3. Federalist Society links (inside baseball about his associations)

Q4. Dark money to influence confirmation (more process: decent question, although would have more impact if the Dems weren't doing exactly the same thing.)

Q5. Shouldn't Supreme Court require disclosure on amicus briefs. (more process: a good if deeply esoteric issue that will move absolutely noone.)

Nothing about Roe v. Wade. Only a tangential reference to Citizen's United. Nothing about environmental decisions, civil rights, or any other substantive issue that people actually care about.

If this is the best the Dems can do, we need new Dems.

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time to ask questions, right? If you watched any part of the hearings, you may have noted that K did his utmost to run out the clock when responding to Democrats. Other senators asked questions regarding most if not all of the issues you list. I recommend people watch the entire proceeding before claiming that their interests were not addressed.

Again, as I stated before, people want perfection rather than what can possibly be done by any single individual at a given time.

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@WindDancer13

about important issues (net neutrality anyone?) that affect the whole country.

Not procedural insider bullshit masking as opposition.

Again, as I stated before, people want perfection rather than what can possibly be done by any single individual at a given time.

Whitehouse had thirty uninterrupted minutes to grill Kavanaugh and wasted half his time asking about amicus briefs.

That's about as far from perfection as you can get.

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@Not Henry Kissinger

on Day 3 (Day 3 Part 6 of the C-Span recording transcripts):

Gun Control/Assault weapons
Presidential Power
Independent Counsel
Affirmative Action
Executive privilege
Employment Discrimination--LGBT
Telephone recording by NSA re: terrorism
Privacy
Mueller
Foreign nations buying election and issue ads
Assisted suicide
Contraception
Gays and lesbians--right to marry
Net neutrality
Executive pardon
Agency interpretation and statutes

This was only part of that day's questioning by Democrats. Note: If I was still in high school, I would get sent to detention for doing other people's homework.

Whitehouse's time was wasted by K's evasions, not by Whitehouse's development of the basis for the questions which K kept choosing to misdirect.

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A couple of questions/statements from Democrats in regard to some opinions that K wrote that were not required in the decisions. (The all caps are in the transcript and it has not yet been edited for typos, etc.)

I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY YOU WENT OUT OF YOUR WAY TO WRITE AN OPINION STATING THAT THE PROGRAM MET A CRITICAL NATIONAL SECURITY NEED WHEN IT HAD ALREADY BEEN FOUND BY NATIONAL SECURITY PEOPLE IT MADE NO CONCRETE DIFFERENCE IN FIGHTING TERRORISM.

THERE WAS SOMETHING WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT YESTERDAY. AND THAT WAS THAT YOU WENT ACTUALLY BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF WHAT THE PARTIES HAD ARGUED TO REACH A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE IN THAT CASE, YOU FOUND THAT THE 1ST AMENDMENT PROTECTS INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS' RIGHTS TO EXERCISE EDITORIAL DISCRETION EVEN THOUGH NEITHER OF THE PRINCIPAL PARTIES HAD RAISED A 1ST AMENDMENT ARGUMENT AT ALL. WHY DID YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO ADDRESS THAT CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE?

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But if you are saying Whotehouse was their toughest questioner, I can't imagine what softballs the Dems must have been throwing on those other 'issues'. (Contraception? Really? what is this 1968?))

And I really wish people would stop blaming Kavanaugh's filibustering for the Dems' fecklessness. He's going to filibuster. That's his job. The Dems' job is to keep him from doing it.

Heckuva job Dems.

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Why don't you look it up yourself then: Supreme Court Nominee Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearing

I did not say the Whitehouse was their strongest questioner. I said the excerpt was a good example of the questioning. K was not just filibustering, he was misleading and running out the clock.

The issue of contraception had to do with the Glucksberg test (see transcript below):

HERE'S MY CORE CONCERN. THIS QUOTE, WHAT YOU CHOSE TO DO IN A SPEECH LAST YEAR IN FRONT OF AEI WAS TO LIFT UP THIS GLUCKSBERG TEST. WHAT YOU CHOSE TO SAY YESTERDAY, ALL ROADS LEAD TO THE GLUCKSBERG TEST GIVES ME PAUSE AND CONCERN. IF YOU FEEL I'VE MISQUOTED YOU IN THE AMERICAN SPECTATOR ARTICLE, MISQUOTED YOU HERE, I EXPECT WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE THROUGH SOME WRITTEN EXCHANGES TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY THAT. BUT IN WHAT I'VE READ ABOUT HOW THE GLUCKSBERG TEST HAS OR HASN'T BEEN APPLIED, THE WAYS IN WHICH JUSTICE KENNEDY HIMSELF REJECTED THE GLUCKSBERG TEST IN HIS OPINIONS IN LAWRENCE, IN BERGEFE BERGEFELD, I THINK THE GLUCKSBERG TEST IS A BLUNT INSTRUMENT AND BETTER AT REJECTING RIGHTS. AND I'M CONCERNED IT WOULD ADMIT ENTHUSIASM FOR A TEST THAT WOULD PERMIT THE CONTINUED EXERCISE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN WAYS THAT FRANKLY WOULD BLOWUP ALL OF MODERN SUBSTANTIVE PROCESSES IF APPLIED RIGIDLY, IT WOULD BLOWUP PRECEDENT IN CONTRACEPTION, ABORTION, STERILIZATION, MARRIAGE, A WHOLE RANGE OF AREAS. THESE ARE SETTLED PRECEDENT. BUT THOSE WHO SIT TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU SHOULD BE THE NEXT JUSTICE AND TAKE JUSTICE KENNEDY'S SEAT HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES WHAT YOUR VIEWS WOULD BE. AND IN THIS RECENT SPEECH WHERE YOU CITE YOUR FIRST JUDICIAL HERO RANKWIST, I WORRY YOU DON'T SHARE THE OPINIONS OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT FRAMERS WHO UNDERSTAND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO EXIST IN SIGNIFICANT PART TO RIGHT HISTORICAL WRONGS NOT TO IGNORE THEM OR ENTRENCH THEM. OUR CONSTITUTION'S PROTECTION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE VULNERABLE OR MARGINALIZED ARE JUST DIFFERENT FROM THE MAJORITY IS WHAT MAKES US A BEACON TO THE REST OF THE WORLD WHERE THERE ARE SO MANY COUNTRIES WHERE MINORITIES, OR THOSE WHO ARE TREAT THE DIFFERENTLY, MARGINALIZED OR OPPRESSED. AND IT IS EXACTLY THIS GLUCKSBERG TEST THAT WORRIES ME MOST T. EXCLUDES ALL SUCH PEOPLE FROM THE CIRCLE OF CONSTITUTIONAL CONCERN AND PROTECTION. I'M TROUBLED, JUDGE KAVANAUGH, IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THE DRIVING ANIMATING FORCE OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL CULTURE. AND THIS IS A TEST THAT IN MY VIEW IS NOT UP TO THE TASK OF VINDICATING OUR COUNTRY'S GREATEST IDEALS. [emphasis added]

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you saw the second list of topics. Reminds of how when I had to get my shots how my arm would bruise before the needle even reached my arm.

Reminder: These partial lists were only Day 3. There was another full day of questioning, but you can research that one on your own if you want facts.

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Thanks for the research, (its actually quite interesting to see what the Dems chose to focus on), but what I'd really like to see is video of a Dem Senator really taking it to Kavanaugh on a big issue (as I said, I thought Whitehouse's question time was weak tea).

Because asking about the Glucksberg Test just doesn't cut it for me.

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@Not Henry Kissinger

Supreme Court Nominee Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearing

If C-Span is not available, the videos can very easily be found on YouTube.

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But I won't waste my time going through five days of hearings looking for something I have no expectation of finding.

Besides, if there was a vid of Dem Senators aggressively opposing Kavanaugh on an important policy issue, I'm sure we all would have seen it by now.

It sounds like the Dems just wanted to tick off substantive boxes by asking convoluted questions that would glaze over the eyes of even the most eager law clerk, so that after Kavanaugh was confirmed they could go back to their constituents and say, "See? I brought it up", but with no real intent to use the issue to defeat the nomination.

Basically, they were all just going through the motions.

Supreme Court Kabuki.

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(Contraception? Really? what is this 1968?)

Brett Kavanaugh has previously stated his belief that birth control induces abortion.

Given that context, and considering (a) the legitimate concern that many people have about Kavanaugh potentially voting to overturn Roe v. Wade, plus (b) the fact that the decision in Roe relied on the implied Constitutional right to privacy established in the Griswold birth control decision in 1964, yes, asking Kavanaugh about contraception was a very valid question.

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@Centaurea

tentatively toyed with a Ninth Amendment argument, but settled for an unenumerated and constructed "right to (marital) privacy" - and several of them were oh so careful to restrict it to the personal relationships of married couples only. Blum 3

I should note that the original original intent of the Constitution (and the first ten Amendments, aka the Bill of Rights) was "Anything not explicitly permitted to it is none of the Government's business" - but long before Griswold the interpretation had been twisted into "Anything not explicitly forbidden to Government is none of the people's business".

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but why do they dance around it so obtusely?

Pin the guy down with straight forward questions.

"Is there a right to privacy inherent in the Constitution?"

"Is Roe v. Wade constitutional?"

"Should all women have the right to an abortion?"

"Should all women have the right to contraception?"

Why bury the lede deep within a long winded question about the Glucksberg Test?

This isn't a Con Law Seminar.

If they want to derail the guy, they need clear soundbytes - not droning pontifications showing off how much their legislative assistants know about the law.

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but K wriggled like a worm. So you want the senators to grill K and to do it in soundbites. Seems a bit contradictory to me.

Glucksberg is important (K said "All roads lead to Glucksberg"):

From: Washington v. Glucksberg

Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U.S. 702 (1997),[1] was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States unanimously held that a right to assisted suicide in the United States was not protected by the Due Process Clause.

Chief Justice Rehnquist wrote the majority opinion for the court. His decision reversed the Ninth Circuit's decision that the ban on physician-assisted suicide was a violation of the Due Process Clause. The Court held that because assisted suicide is not a fundamental liberty interest, it was not protected under the Fourteenth Amendment. As previously decided in Moore v. East Cleveland,[6] liberty interests not "deeply rooted in the nation's history" do not qualify as being a protected liberty interest.

Assisted suicide, the court found, had been frowned upon for centuries and a majority of the states had similar bans on assisted suicide. Rehnquist found the English common law penalties associated with assisted suicide particularly significant. For example, at early common law the state confiscated the property of a person who committed suicide.

Like Blackmun in Roe v. Wade,[7] Rehnquist used English common law to establish American tradition as a yardstick for determining what rights were "deeply rooted in the nation's history." Rehnquist cited Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey[8] in the opinion.

From: William Rehnquist

Rehnquist was a foe of the Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision. In 1992, that decision survived by a 5–4 vote, in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which relied heavily on the doctrine of stare decisis. Dissenting in Casey, Rehnquist criticized the Court's "newly minted variation on stare decisis", and asserted his belief "that Roe was wrongly decided, and that it can and should be overruled consistently with our traditional approach to stare decisis in constitutional cases"

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Why Aren’t Democrats Waging an All-Out War to Stop Kavanaugh’s Confirmation?

So why isn’t Schumer taking it to Kavanaugh? There’s a belief among Democrats that the party’s voters don’t reward fights on judges — only Republicans do that. So the worry is that a full-throated assault on Kavanaugh could backfire, bringing Trump voters to the polls in red states and endangering Democrats’ chances of taking back the Senate in the midterms. Never mind that Kavanaugh is highly unpopular, with much less support among Americans than his immediate predecessor Neil Gorsuch, or that Roe v. Wade has never had more support. (Perhaps these polls explain why the Senate Democrats who activists do credit for aggressively contesting Kavanaugh are all potential presidential candidates in 2020 — among them, Kirsten Gillibrand, Cory Booker, and Kamala Harris.)

Reproductive justice advocates are especially incensed about elected officials’ refusal to make more of the fact that legal abortion is on the chopping block. “The women who make up the resistance are focused on the end of Roe and the reversal of decades of progress by a misogynistic administration and GOP,” says NARAL president Ilyse Hogue. “That’s also what the majority of Americans are concerned about when it comes to Kavanaugh.” But Democrats seem more comfortable talking about missing documents than about Roe. “The process arguments are important, but they’re largely inside baseball.”

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on Day 3 (Day 3 Part 5 of the C-Span recording transcripts):

Constitutionality of investigating/indicting a president
Recusal
Discrimination- LGBT re Masterpiece Cake Shop
Separation of immigrant children
Banning immigrants
Restrictions on health care facilities that provide abortions
Roe v Wade
Ban on abortion after 20 weeks
Unenumerated rights
Affordable Care Act

With of course, the usual evasions by K.

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@WindDancer13 democrats claim the moral high ground on (although Christians certainly disagree with that)? The ACA, no. Immigration, no. Most of the things on those lists the democrats are as bad or worse than the republicans.

I don't even have to watch it to know it's all kabuki bullshit. Kavanaugh is surely a piece of shit, but he's forced on us because of this corrupt, partisan political process. Just like Trump was.

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@Big Al

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@Not Henry Kissinger 1000 written questions.

This is supposedly the list:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/13/17853934/read-brett-ka...

263 pages per the screen. Happy reading.

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papering the file.

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Good to see you writing again. You make good points as always. I think you answered your own questions on this one. You ask, why don’t we focus on the situation in Yemen, why don’t we focus on the messed up political situation? Answer...

It's not that I don't care about [full in the blank], although my paying attention to this bullshit won't change a damn thing, it's more that the entire spectacle of watching this country's political system in action ... makes me sick.

We feel powerless to change the US political system or the actions of the US Empire. It’s beyond our control. We can’t fix it, and it’s sickening, so we don’t watch.

People in this country are worried about their own survival and how to achieve some amount of security and confidence regarding their own futures, including their children and grandchildren if they have them, and families, friends, loved ones, and communities, all of which we feel are under threat. We can’t expend much energy worrying about people and events happening on the other side of the planet when we are in such precarious situations ourselves.

Perhaps that’s why the powers that be in the US won’t allow us even the basic life supports, like healthcare, that other countries provide for their citizens. As long as we are scratching for our own basic needs, we don’t have the energy or focus to notice or object to the actions of the US empire around the world.

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@CS in AZ I suppose most people throughout history, from serfs to peasants, etc., have felt powerless. We're no different now except the damn thing is so big and complicated it seems like making necessary changes is an impossible task. But times are changing fast, you never know. I've got six grandkids. People save money, etc., for their kids and grandkids futures. It's time we did a lot more than that.

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Yep.

As to your question, "Why are we letting these assholes do this to us?"

I don't know.

On the other hand, I do.

Personally, although I'm plenty angry, I feel utterly helpless and hopeless. I'm among those who believe it's useless to try to reform the Democratic party from within -- but also can't see a way to mount viable opposition from the outside. It's crystal clear by now that no third-party candidate can ever win. So where does that leave us? They (capital-T) can squash peaceful movements like Occupy -- even when those movements have momentum -- at will. As for actual revolution? Dude, they'd literally go nuclear on us before capitulating.

So I think, no matter how you slice it, we're fucked.

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Well done BA!
Why indeed.

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I suppose we could try to form new utopian communities capable of resisting the corrupt vampires in power and their various lackeys and secret teams, somewhat along the lines of the Zapatistas. Perhaps organizing outside of the Internet would be good so as to protect the communities from Internet spies.

Would that work?

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@Cassiodorus Could work, get the ball rolling and let it start fire. Some cities and communities are trying to do that. Perhaps changes at the bottom can eventually lead to changes at the top. Seems like a long slow road though, but maybe that's the only way.

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@Cassiodorus Those are the lines I was thinking along, before life got crazy three weeks ago.

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Not only is there a duopoly of political parties, SCOTUS itself is a duopoly of Harvard and Yale. Notice that the Democratic side of the Judicial committee are all lawyers. Grassley, Flake, Sasse and Tillis do not have JDs. There are no women on the R side and notably Grassley and Hatch have grown moss they have been there so long. The R side are all strict ideologists, even Flake, I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. I am not fond of the D side either, they are also elitist shits. Even my grandfathers, born respectively 1879 and 1909 were not as staid, stick up the ass, as these people. But both were certified genii. 1879 graduated from Northwestern and was a lawyer, circuit court judge in the west, [the actual kind that traveled to various courthouses] and a newspaper editor, criminal lawyer and clerked at SCOTUS. He also did a stint as deputy Sec of the Treasury. At SCOTUS he was not a clerk that was on some sort of fast track to marbled halls, he was an experienced composer of legal jargon utilized to translate legislative intent into code. There is nothing awe inspiring about Justices. They are lucky average mediocre people. When they need stuff to be done, they hire it out.

1909 was a radio pioneer. He was orphaned at 13 and decided to go to sea as a ship's radio operator rather than enter a foster home with his 4 younger brothers. He was the first person to put a baseball game on the air, started Eastern Airlines with two other guys and during WW2 got commissioned into the Army Air Corps after having signed up with the Navy. He was adviser to many Presidents starting with FDR up to and through Johnson. There's more, but he wasn't a political animal, rather a technical one. After the war he was made a general and placed in the Pentagon. He didn't like the BS atmosphere and resigned.

Point being, these were two regular guys with families and rather mundane interests while at the same time superlative minds that did get into the fray and get the jobs done and then left when things were back to normal, so to speak. They went in and then got out. There are probably millions like them in this country. They're not willing to go along with being dishonest to stay in the game. After having watched the Kavanaugh hearings, it's a wonder people could keep from bursting out in laughter. Or gagging in disgust.

So what is the solution? There might not be one. One idea would to be to have a people's court where civilians and lay people take the exact same cases and make decisions right along side SCOTUS. Crowdsource it. And then publish it. And then publish rebuttals. And then take the cases that were denied Cert and decide those. The same could be done on the state appellate level. BUT, there's no pay and and it would take time. SCOTUS knows how they want to rule and backward engineers the cites to justify their bullshit. And they have all those little clerks to go fetch the reporters to find the crumbs.

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I don't see anybody willing to sacrifice anything, do you? Most people seem content enough to keep doing what they are doing as the world burns. Nobody wants to give up anything for the greater good, that would be "crazy" within this system. Only losers make sacrifices, that's why we are losers. heh

Can't win without mind share. Greed and fear are the reward system, too powerful for all to resist. Lack of radical action is easy. thanks

peace

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@eyo Perhaps if it's done in accordance with the Egyptian mysteries the gods will be pleased.

No, seriously -- the route to "emissions reduction" is not through reducing emissions but rather through the creation of a society in which emissions are not necessary. Not sacrifice, but social change.

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@Cassiodorus ha ha! thanks for that interesting link, but also you triggered my knowledge that KSA does still actually crucify human activists, I don't know if it is before or after they cut their heads off, maybe it is both. Before and after.

tax dollars at work
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@Cassiodorus While transitioning to such, emissions reduction would be welcome, at least to this aging environmentalist, but neither social transformation nor sacrifice is going to happen.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Social transformation is in fact happening now, and will be happening on a more pronounced level in the future. People are moving; things are being done.

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@Cassiodorus Ojala que si.

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@eyo

. . . Apple's (I think) latest. A phone!

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it's because we got rid of the draft. Having a steady supply of experienced combat trained citizens in a country awash in guns has to be a brake on government over reach. Now it's volunteer and the trained centurions mostly give allegiance to the right, and the left think the weapons are evil and want nothing to do with them. So why will there be no revolution? Because we essentially got nothing.

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you believe the answer to your question lies in the crappy moral character and faulty thinking of the ruled, whereas I believe the answer lies in the fact that the asshole rulers have a level of weapons tech very much higher than is available to those they rule. Think if the European conquerors had shown up at this continent in the 1500s with bazookas and tanks instead of muskets, while the indigenous still had bows and arrows and spears. That's about the level of difference between the people who have access to LRADs, drones, weaponized microwave, and surveillance that can tell what two people are saying to each other by measuring how leaves vibrate on a plant nearby--and those who bought some AK 47s, or I guess now maybe AK 12s, at the local gun show. In my opinion, we don't have a revolution because we can't have one. The power differential is too great. That's not an opinion I enjoy having, and I'd love to have someone disprove it. I mean that sincerely. It ain't fun getting up in the morning thinking these things.

But that's why I spend time asking why the process is what it is--or, rather, decrying the process for being what it is (I don't need to ask why, we all know why)--instead of saying why is this system and its processes here at all. Yeah, you're right, the entire system needs to be scrapped. Long past time for that. Unfortunately, at some point their weapons and surveillance tech gave them a world where the little guy can't challenge them successfully. We can't have a successful revolution, not one initiated from below, anyway. Meaning that we'd simply get a lot of us killed or put into detention centers, and it would change nothing except to give them another excuse to step up the police state some more.

The only logical thing to do, IMO, is to make ourselves as healthy, economically independent, and freethinking as we possibly can, so that if and when a revolution begins in the ranks of the powerful or within their bureaucracy, we can be of help. The only successful revolution at this point would have to come from people with some degree of power and access, not the ordinary working Joe. Once begun, and with a good plan, ordinary working Joes and Janes could play a role, but the plan and the power would have to come from a powerful person, or the high-level employees of a powerful person, who don't want the world destroyed.

It's a thin chance that such a revolution would arise from within the ranks of the powerful, or from high-level employees with access. But the silver lining here is that the things we need to do to be available to such an effort, if it arises, are also the things that will make our lives, what's left of them, better.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

But would like to add something. Building better relationships within our own community can be very useful as well. I live in a neighborhood where we hold block parties, have regular meetings about best practices for emergencies, co-ops with organic food, and "mindfulness" yoga gatherings a few times a year. I don't agree with everyone in my neighborhood, but I respect the idea behind finding commonality. Solidarity in times of crisis can literally save lives. I also think it's a good model to follow even within the frame work of what you discussed.

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@zoebear Thank you for adding that. Community, if one can find or build it, is indeed of paramount importance.

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...so that if and when a revolution begins in the ranks of the powerful or within their bureaucracy, we can be of help

It won't fall from the sky, and if there is internecine war, neither side will offer us anything that can be trusted. I think the revolt has to be passive aggressive and sooner rather than later. The longer it takes us to sit down and refuse to play, the more tools foreign and domestic they will have in place to use against us.

The real Hippies of the 60s were spiritual and not materialistic. The hippies were anti-capitalist and anti-war. They said hell no, I won't go; and you can't make me. They coupled anti-war with a sincere rejection of things materialistic. This scared the shit out of the oligarchs and made them determined to reassert themselves over all the classes lower than them. They needed global markets and global slaves. They needed prisons for the dangerous and expendable. They needed the people and resources of their kingdoms more focused on survival and gluttony than nirvana and humanity.

A July 1968 Time magazine study on hippie philosophy credited the foundation of the hippie movement with historical precedent as far back as the Sadhu of India, the spiritual seekers who had renounced the world by taking "Sannyas".Even the counterculture of the Ancient Greeks, espoused by philosophers like Diogenes of Sinope and the Cynics were also early forms of hippie culture.

This is the 21st century. We need to be a hell of a lot smarter, not play their games by their rules. No blood in the streets, no strikes getting people fired. It could be as simple as figuring out to turn everything that is legal and safe into a weapon to be used against them.

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@dkmich I'm not talking about duopoly politicians. The kind of man or woman I mean knows better than to think of D.C. as divided up into "sides."

It's more like this: Suppose a Snowden, or multiple Snowdens, decide they don't want to end the world in nuclear fire or biosphere collapse, or suppose their counterparts in certain powerful corporations, particularly Big Data, decide something similar--that's what I'm talking about. And it's not that improbable; that's why the Feds created the Insider Threat program, because they're freaked out that something like that might happen.

I'm also not necessarily talking about a revolution that creates a better economy or restores the rule of law or gives us back human rights, necessarily--though it would be great if any or all of those happened. I'm talking about a revolution, or perhaps a palace coup, that brings us back from the brink on the issues of war, nuclear war, energy, and the environment. In other words, the aim would be to stop the world being destroyed. Only an aim that compelling would convince people in those positions to risk that much.

If that happened, we would be in a better position (I think) to shift our society back into something on which we could have an impact, because in order to avoid destroying the world, you have to take enough psychopaths out of power to make that possible. Taking them out of power would remove one obstacle to our being able to have an impact on our society, theoretically.

There's only a very slim chance any of this would happen. But I'm not suggesting such things "fall out of the sky," I'm suggesting that there's only a few places from which a revolution, or a coup, could be begun. A revolution that arises primarily from the 99% almost certainly couldn't succeed. A lot of what would be necessary to engender a power shift would have to happen from the inside.

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@dkmich However, I agree with you about being smarter and not simply using a classical model of revolution.

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@dkmich  
and were very good at recognizing when “hip capitalists” and their celebrity friends were trying to co-opt the counterculture through clever marketing and branding.

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Do not consume.
Do not pay taxes.
Do not break any laws.
Provide food and medical assistance to your fellow man.

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@on the cusp lol, good luck with all those do nots. lmao

I already do not breath healthy air, and healthy water does not run out of my tap unless chlorine has become a non-carcinogenic. We have Prop 65 in California, so Everything Causes Cancer. It's like the Okay button in Windows(TM), everyone just clicks it to make it go away. Okay? Okay? Okay? bzzt!

Be careful out there, pay attention, stay safe.

peace

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@on the cusp I think it's a legitimate form of protest and an expression of my disgust for what the assholes in government are doing with my money.

But again, we all know what happens when the "little guy" doesn't pay their "fair share."

It's so depressing. There's no way out of this quagmire.

I actually have two escape hatches from this country that I could use, but have aging parents here and leaving them would break my heart. Sad

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@Eagles92 Provide for each other by forming co-ops, as Cassiodorus suggests.
The point is stop working for slave wages, stop buying crap the 1% foists on us.

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@on the cusp As eyo might say, good luck with that.

I certainly don't have the luxury of eschewing an income. Despite the fact that I don't consume much, especially "crap," I still need to meet basic needs. And even that's a struggle, despite the advantages of education I've enjoyed.

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@Eagles92 A whole section of the country just made a difference. They swung left.
I was horrified about the taxes until I thought it through.
The protesters were prepared with food, etc...
I meant consuming what advertisers say we must buy, in no way referenced or meant not eating.
Big Al wants suggestions to take down the system.
We all need to work, need our jobs under our current system. The problem is none of are paid what we need, or what we are worth.
My solution, which was "stolen" from Mexicans, gets nobody arrested or shot. Nobody is breaking a law or presenting a target.
It would shut down any business, any town or city, would bring government to the table.
What is your idea to make a radical change?

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@on the cusp

If people stop going to work, and stop consuming, i.e., stop eating, everyone would be homeless and starving within a very short time. And anyone with enough money to survive without going to work would be jailed for not paying taxes. How are we going to provide anything for our fellow man once we all living in the streets with no jobs? Sorry but this idea seems entirely unworkable.

I have to say after reading the various points of view in this thread, all interesting and thought provoking, I agree with the core principle that CStMS said, or what I think she said...

This idea that we the peons need to sacrifice everything, literally, gets to the other side of it. It blames us, the peons, at a fundamental moral level, for what the powerful plutocrats who own our government are doing. I think that is wrong... incorrect, i mean. It misses the mark. It’s still based on the imagined power that “we the people” are supposed to have, which means we are the ones who are ultimately responsible.

But I just don’t agree with that. As CStMS said, they hold all the cards. All of them. As we perform the rituals of voting and arguing about politics, the illusion is continually reinforced. We are the ones who are morally unfit. We are failing to control those who own us.

It’s a position worth considering. We are certainly raised to believe it in this country. But I think it’s one of the big lies. One that keeps us from seeing who is actually holding the reins and running the show.

It gives an illusion that we can, and could, take control if we (US citizens as a whole) just weren’t so lazy or selfish or dumb, etc. But I just don’t see that as the reality. We don’t just feel powerless, we are powerless. I guess it doesn’t do anything to boost one’s mood to recognize that, but for me it also does no good to feel guilt and blame for things that are entirely out of my hands and I have no say in.

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Eagles92's picture

@CS in AZ Exactly what I've been trying to put into words. Thank you.

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@on the cusp

growing as much food as possible....
sewing your own dry goods, nothing fancy like dresses and suits, but sheets, curtains, dish towels, kids clothes.
Not buying anything you want but don't need.
walk and bike more often where it fits in.
moving all of your finances to credit unions
buying smaller, higher mileage/electic cars.
Reviving the extended family living together and buyingbuilding homes that can be flats and shared.
Reducing family size to 2 kids.

No one could pepper spray or shoot you for doing any of this, yet if all we got dropped out, we could have a major impact.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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"At this point in my life, I'm adamantly against having a "Supreme" court with nine One Percenter assholes appointed for LIFE"

Do you have any understanding of our checks/balances system and the history behind it? This system was established (yes, I know, by the white male property owners) to prevent mob rule and to establish an orderly way for changes (in administrations, regulations, etc.).

The whole purpose for lifetime appointments is so that the judges can decide cases, free of political penalty, how they think they should decide (much like how tenure for college professors used to work - so they could publish freely without political penalty).

You do realize that, in the past, the SC overruled 'bad' decisions that progressives didn't like, and expanded rights for people. Presidents have not unfrequently been angered by their appointees when they didn't tow the line.

There has to be a final (or somewhat final) disposition of issues, otherwise we would be swinging wildly between mobs.

Do you really want to be ruled by mobs of screaming women or by mobs driving out repubs from restaurants or violent protestors or anti-fa?

Sometimes I think a parliamentary system would work well; but the people in the US simply couldn't handle that much instability if power changed frequently like it does in parliamentary systems. US citizens have already had a complete melt down over Trump and his mere personality - US citizens need a leadership style that pacifies them like Obama.

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@dfarrah @dfarrah appointments and don't forget the other part, "nine one percenter assholes". So you might want to believe it.
I know a little about it to answer your condescending question. There's pros and cons, I would prefer term limits, maybe six to 10 years.

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/j54pa3/lifetime-supreme-court-appoint...

But my general point isn't just about the supreme court, it's about the entire political process and system that we're seeing in action now controlled by the duopoly. I didn't say we shouldn't have a final arbiter of laws and of the constitution.

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@Big Al
Term limits don't work either, look at the white house.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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@dfarrah thanks but the Supreme Court jumped the shark selecting Shrub president, instead of counting all the votes. They are partisan crooks like all the rest, should have been impeached after Al Gore surrendered, that's what I think. How much money has Al Gore made since then? Never mind, it's a big club and we're not in it.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg presided over the wedding of Alan Greenspan and Andrea Mitchell. fuck those guys

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@dfarrah And back then average age of death was south of 40. Let's not be obtuse and pretend that SCOTUS is apolitical because it is VERY political. Captain Obvious. The sheen has worn off.

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@WheninRome

Read up on Justice Samuel Chase sometime. He pushed political partisanship so far and so hard that he got himself impeached - and arguably the only reason he was not removed was that he was a Signer of the Declaration of Independence and it would look soooo bad internationally to boot him.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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based on radical, democratic principles.

Help the upcoming generation of kids develop a radically different consciousness.

Briefly visited by old friends, I just found out that their eldest founded a so-called Sudbury school.

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