The Dose ~ WE 17 NOV 21

TheDose.jpg

.

A discussion portal for covidis / health issues.

Share
up
10 users have voted.

Comments

https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result...

https://www.ideastream.org/news/has-anyone-died-after-receiving-the-covi...

Summary on questions over deaths directly caused by the Covid vaccines....

"No clear evidence vaccines have caused death

There is no clear evidence that COVID-19 vaccines have caused any deaths in the U.S. Researchers are still evaluating whether there is a connection between the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and rare types of blood clots that have led to deaths, but such cases are few.

The FDA requires health care providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, jointly run by the CDC and the FDA, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.

More than 390 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from Dec. 14, 2020, through Sept. 27, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 8,164 reports of death (0.0021%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

But reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. Anyone can submit a report of an adverse event but the reports themselves are not verified. Incomplete VAERS data is often used in conjunction with false claims about vaccine safety.

In a part of the CDC website that addresses the topic of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccines, the CDC notes that "a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines."

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211101/Large-US-study-finds-majority...
"While serious side-effects from mRNA vaccinations have been reported to the government, these events tend to be rare. By age group, deaths related to vaccine side effects were lower than expected."

Most complete of all I could find as of Sept. 2021 is this pdf from JAMA...https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784015. You have to open the pdf to read.
It doesn't just report the numbers you usually see in various sources. It goes into great detail about the question of adverse events for the Covid vaccines. If you can't take the time to wade through all of the report, the conclusions are on page 7 under discussion.

My point here is that the negative impression that a reader will get from the subject line quote about vaccines vastly misrepresents all the information that is being gathered and analyzed. However, in order for there to really be some sort of vast conspiracy to kill us all from vaccines, every little county in every state in the US would have to be complicit. I look at the local numbers from my tri-county health center quite often. No reports of deaths by vaccine so far.
I understand a personal decision to not be vaccinated, or not be able to be vaccinated for health reasons. But why try to make people who have chosen to have vaccines feel like they may die from it? What purpose does this serve?

up
3 users have voted.

"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin

snoopydawg's picture

@Fishtroller 02

I can’t understand why anyone would believe what the government mouthpieces tell them, but it’s a free country…

But reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. Anyone can submit a report of an adverse event but the reports themselves are not verified. Incomplete VAERS data is often used in conjunction with false claims about vaccine safety.

As I’ve said numerous times no case gets reported on VAERS until it’s been vetted by someone at the CDC and verified. Only then is it given a case number and posted. Weird too how it’s never been a problem before this Covid scam came out. Believe what you want tho.

ETA:

But why try to make people who have chosen to have vaccines feel like they may die from it? What purpose does this serve?

That certainly isn’t my point on posting about injuries. It’s to expose the lies about them being safe. Good lord kids are now the ones being injured by them and imagine how much grief could have been averted if government had been honest about the risks from the get go. But I don’t understand what others get from denying that they aren’t as safe as we were told. Glad to hear that it worked out well for you.

up
13 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

@snoopydawg ,

I can’t understand why anyone would believe what the government mouthpieces tell them,

...and...not only that, but it is the responsibility of the vaccine developers (and now the government who is MANDATING this vaccine) to prove and provide the data in a transparent way, that proves the vaccine is reasonably safe and effective. It is not our job to prove that it is not safe. The onus is on them. They have utterly failed in this and there should ethically and categorically be no justification for this mandate until that has been accomplished.

up
5 users have voted.

@snoopydawg

our trust. And it has worked. Off hand, I can't think of any institution run by humans that has not turned out to be corrupt or just plain inept. I grit my teeth every night when watching TV and seeing drug company ads. They infuriate me. So does the power Big Pharma has on our government. I don't see a remedy coming down the road for that. Medicare for All would have made this whole pandemic thing easier and more equitable, but we can't have that because of the power of insurance companies and businesses like CVS, and because Bernie caved so horribly to his good friend Joe.

I haven't seen my doctor in 10 years. I'll go if I get sick and can't deal with it myself. So I'm not a big follow the line and trust the doctors type person anyway.

All that being said, the decision to get vaccinated or not, in my view, became one of "is this just about me"? And, I thought of issues like AIDS, where the use of condoms was essential to not only protect oneself but to PROTECT OTHERS. That's why I rolled the dice (everything in medicine is a roll of the dice) and took the vaccine. Statistically {meaning the overall numbers since the vaccines were introduced} the majority of the vaccines ARE safe. So I totally disagree with you on that. When you have a sample size of millions of people and have a one tenth of one percent chance of an adverse reaction, it certainly can be claimed that the vaccines are safe.

I think Fauci is terrible, but I also think Malone and Kory (who have both told whoppers about the effectiveness of Ivermectin) are no less guilty of misleading the public. Kory told Congress that Ivermectin would 100% prevent someone from even getting the virus. Now we have plenty of examples of that being untrue. He also claimed that 100-200 people in Congress took Ivermectin, and he never back that up with any evidence. Malone lied about his role in the development of the mRNA technology and then claimed that the spike protein was "cytotoxic", which has been totally debunked.
Why do you trust everything these people say or write?

A total trusting of any of the players in this whole pandemic is a mistake. That is why I look to the evidence as much as I can. That's very hard to do when there are players who will actually take a scientific writing and swap out a numbers grid for one of their own invention. I have seen links to sites like that here. I managed to find a group at one point who does nothing but try to catch this stuff in scientific writing, and they can't even keep up with it. There is a whole cottage industry producing fake information about Covid and treatments. When it comes to the sciences of virology and epidemiology we are still learning, and in the process of learning mistakes are always made. When it comes to human bodies, a one size works for all will never be the case. This is why when we get a treatment such as the vaccines, we need to look at BIG numbers... overall stats. Statements such as "more people have died from the vaccines than the virus" are just not justifiable, and puts people in a "boy who cried wolf" light.
Not EVERYTHING the CDC or NIH is deceptive. The vaccine makers and the government are not trying to kill children. There are no Bill Gates chips in the vaccines. And Robert Kennedy Jr. who I used to admire for his excellent work on water pollution issues, has been shown over and over again to be guilty of publishing false information about vaccines in general.

If you stand back and review all the conversations that go on in The Dose, the vast majority of it is an avalanche of sources and ideas that are traceable to that cottage industry I mentioned above. It's not an atmosphere for constructive conversation in my view. And certainly when I have tried to present other information, I get that avalanche right down on my head. I am apparently wrong about everything just because I got the vaccinations and have offered the view that they are safe and keeping millions of people from dying.

Take a moment and review The Dose posts, and tell me that I should feel as comfortable as I do in the other topic areas on this site to comment.

up
0 users have voted.

"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin

snoopydawg's picture

@Fishtroller 02

When you have tens of thousands people dying from them and 20,000 thousand permanently disabled there is no way you can call them safe. It takes huge leaps of logic to say they are. Add in kids possibly having permanent heart damage and more kids dying every day from them I don’t see how anyone can say that.

VAERS has always been used as an early warning sign that something is going wrong and no one has questioned it like they are now. Just the chart shows that more people have died from them then all vaccines combined before. The swine flu vaccine was stopped at just around 50 deaths and more numbers for those who got guillian Barr and other disorders from them, but the numbers across the board are sky high and there is no discussion about it.

People who have been injured have talked to people at the CDC, FDA and other government agencies only to get no help in what they’re dealing with. That looks like a cover up to me. If they are safe then why no discussion or help for them? And as for Johnson giving people a platform to talk about their injuries who would you find acceptable to do it? He invited many people from the government who did not attend to give them space to tell their side of the story. I posted a link on it in today’s dose if you’re interested. People who joined with others to talk about what they are going through keep finding those avenues closed to them leaving people to deal with it on their own and in isolation. That’s driving people to suicide.

I do not put down people who have been vaccinated. I never have and never would because that’s not who I am. Insults from either side should have no place in the discussion. And it must be a personal decision whether to get jabbed or not because health issues are no one else’s business. I d love to return to that.

As to why I trust Malone and Kory is because they have shown proof of their work as well as testimony from others that use what they suggest. If I’m biased against Fauci it’s because he has earned it. He’s doing what he did during the AIDS Epidemic. Ignoring early treatment again. Thousands are dying because of it just like back then.

Nope. They are in no way safe and now the FDA is covering up big pharma's data till 2076. Seems to me that they are hiding what we should all be able to see. That’s criminal in my book. Take this cuz we say they are safe, but we won’t show you the proof that they are. Boo!

up
3 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

snoopydawg's picture

@Fishtroller 02

which is not at all watch this video on reporting to VAERS. It might change your mind if you watch it. If not then I’m not sure how you can continue to say that they are if you don’t have enough information to decide.

https://thehighwire.com/videos/these-patients-deserve-to-be-heard-vaers-...

I’ve read what you have posted to see whether I find it accurate or disproves what I think I know.

up
3 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

@snoopydawg

Then, like I usually do, I looked at the site it is being presented on. It's Highwire, owned by Del Matthew Bigtree, head of ICAN.

You can read about him here...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Del_Bigtree
here.....https://www.businessinsider.com/ican-billionaire-funded-antivax-group-tr...

He's been around for a long time and was active in promoting the false narratives about autism and the MMR vaccine.

So you want me to believe that tens of thousands of people have died directly as a result of the vaccines, and yet all you can point to is stuff like this? There is no scientific data that proves that "tens of thousands" of people have died from getting vaccinated for Covid. There just isn't.

If I were a victim of horrible side effects of a vaccine, I sure wouldn't use a group like Bigtree's to get my message out.

up
0 users have voted.

"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin

snoopydawg's picture

@Fishtroller 02

How about listening to the message instead! I saw nothing in the video that had anything to do with being a right wing nut nor any political agenda at all. She was describing what she has seen and how hard it is to get information to where it needs to go. And the pushback for doing what is required when there is an adverse effect. You’d see that if you watch it.

up
2 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

@snoopydawg

sponsors of that information being presented are not at all important.

Well, this explains a lot. Before the Covid thing started, I really enjoyed your diaries on here, and agree with your POV most of the time. But I also felt that you used solid sources and presented solid information.

up
0 users have voted.

"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin

studentofearth's picture

@Fishtroller 02 do their work competently and communicate the results in a timely manner to protect the general population from harm is growing. The trust was severely damaged by the opioid epidemic touching nearly every citizen directly or indirectly. The primary argument for not implementing additional regulations "There are no longterm studies (6 months and over) showing high doses used for pain control caused addiction or harm." True there were none in the modern literature meeting the double blind standard. And no, none were funded by the NIH (National Institute of Health, medical university, existing medical nonprofits or pharmaceutical company until generics had saturated the market with their products. Once it became fashionable to bash opioid use a flood of research was published.

I have a growing concern, other countries have halted certain vaccines in general, for specific patient populations or specific lot numbers until data is closer analyzed, additional research is completed or information supplied by manufacturer. United States' governing bodies response keeps adding potential shots for new population groups and boosters with no additional safety guidelines.

The question of what is the risk/benefit of a vaccine series and every booster shot needs to be answered for various age groups and various medical conditions? Average life expectancy for women is 81 years and for men 77 years, which can add up to a lot of booster shots.

every little county in every state in the US would have to be complicit.

Every medical practitioner and business is regulated on the services and products they provide by county, state and federal agencies; plus insurance companies ranging from malpractice to general liability; and the possibility of loosing protection from criminal charges for negative outcomes by not following the regs and current practice protocols. Employees are easier to control they simply loose their job. Does it mean there is a conspiracy, no. Does it mean it is possible, yes.

up
13 users have voted.

Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

@studentofearth

For the rest of what I would say in reply to you, please look above to my response to Snoop.

up
0 users have voted.

"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin

studentofearth's picture

@Fishtroller 02 evaluating scientific writing you mentioned following.

A total trusting of any of the players in this whole pandemic is a mistake. That is why I look to the evidence as much as I can. That's very hard to do when there are players who will actually take a scientific writing and swap out a numbers grid for one of their own invention. I have seen links to sites like that here. I managed to find a group at one point who does nothing but try to catch this stuff in scientific writing, and they can't even keep up with it.

It is impossible to qualify their information, access o raw data or analysis without being able to evaluate their process.

All that being said, the decision to get vaccinated or not, in my view, became one of "is this just about me"?

Using guilt or social pressure to pressure someone into taking or not taking a vaccine or treatment can actually be harmful. It does not take into account the unique living circumstances and medical status of an individual.

Mass pharmaceutical data should not be directly applied to the individual and individual pharmaceutical response data should not be applied to the masses.

For medically fragile individuals it has traditionally been the responsibility of the doctor to sort out the method to be used for best treatment of the individual. In has been the responsibility of the government agencies to sort out the best response for society. Conflicting advice occasionally happens and the patient or their responsible parties need to make a decision between the different treatment options they have been presented to try.

Stifling information which does not meet a predetermined narrative is not helpful to a person trying to make difficult choices.

up
3 users have voted.

Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

CB's picture

@Fishtroller 02

Coronavirus

Ideastream Public Media is committed to providing timely, responsible, quality coverage of the coronavirus outbreak, with a focus on providing news and information relevant to Northeast Ohio. We’ll also be directly answering questions from the community about COVID-19 with local experts.

Board of Trustees

Phylis Ferrara
President, Summa Foundation
Chief Development Officer, Summa Health

Has vested interests testing, vaccinations, post COVID clinic - https://www.summahealth.org/coronavirus
Common Questions And Myths Regarding the COVID-19 Vaccine - https://player.vimeo.com/video/583359842

Mr. Quentin L. McCorvey, Sr.
Principal
Nirvana Analytics LLC

Principal & President Of Nirvana Capital Management And Nirvana Surety Solutions
Quentin began his career in public service, yet quickly gained experiences as an administrator, strategist and community leader while serving leadership roles in government, healthcare, and non-profit sectors.

Heather Stefanski
Director of Talent Management
McKinsey & Company
About the Company
 
McKinsey & Company is a privately owned management consulting firm. Roundly considered the most prestigious company of its kind, it has achieved a near-universal level of renown, despite a decades-long commitment to confidentiality that shrouds details of McKinsey’s work-and its client list-in secrecy.

Thomas A. Waltermire 
Chairman of the Board
PRA Global
PRA is now ICON › PRA Health Sciences
https://iconplc.com/sectors/government-and-public-health-solutions/ 
Since our foundation in Dublin, Ireland in 1990, our mission has been to help our clients to accelerate the development of drugs and devices that save lives and improve quality of life.

We are a global provider of consulting, and outsourced development and commercialisation services to pharmaceutical, biotechnology, medical device and government and public health organisations. We focus our innovation on the factors that are critical to our clients – reducing time to market, reducing cost and increasing quality – and our global team of experts has extensive experience in a broad range of therapeutic areas. ICON has been recognised as one of the world’s leading Contract Research Organisations through a number of high-profile industry awards. 

Belva Denmark Tibbs 
Community Leader/Philanthropist
(Retired) Vice President, Ancillaries, Service Integration
and Government Healthcare Programs

HealthSpan Ohio - HealthSpan no longer provides healthcare coverage in Ohio.

up
9 users have voted.

@CB , so many vested interests.

That these people knowingly profit from killing and injuring the public is so contemptible there are no words.

up
7 users have voted.

@randtntx It's definitional. Not surprising

up
3 users have voted.

NYCVG

@randtntx

articles...

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19/ivermectin-train-cannot-stop

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-ivermectin-being-used-treat-covid-2-...

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/28/covid-telehealth-hydroxychloroquine-...

It is not just Big Pharma that is raking in power and money with no concern for people's health.

up
0 users have voted.

"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin

CB's picture

@Fishtroller 02
no expertise in practising medicine producing obvious hit pieces. All the claims for efficacy of the FLCCC protocols and Children's Health Defence (which is what these writers are attempting to negate) have been backed up by dozens of peer reviewed studies of which NOT ONE of the writers of your meaningless media reports actually addresses. Haven't you even taken the trouble to view the many Dr. John Campbell videos everyone posts in the DOSE where he takes peer reviewed studies and explains it in layman's terms how these very prophylaxes function in ameliorating disease from SARS-CoV-2? It has become painfully true that you have not even bothered to do so.

It is not just Big Pharma that is raking in power and money with no concern for people's health.

That's complete and utter nonsense! Please don't try to gaslight me. It isn't working.

How many millions (let alone billions) have the doctors affiliated with the FLCCC "raked" in? They have ALL taken a serious cut in earnings AND prestige doing this work.

Compare to the following:

Meet The 40 New Billionaires Who Got Rich Fighting Covid-19
Some made their fortunes developing new vaccines and promising antibody treatments, while others sell much-needed diagnostic tests and personal protective equipment.

I strongly suggest you get a copy of Kennedy's book, meticulously footnoted with hundreds of sources for each chapter, if you want to understand how even the media can and has been manipulated over COVID-19.

The Real Anthony Fauci
Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health

Pharma-funded mainstream media has convinced millions of Americans that Dr. Anthony Fauci is a hero. He is anything but.

As director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), Dr. Anthony Fauci dispenses $6.1 billion in annual taxpayer-provided funding for scientific research, allowing him to dictate the subject, content, and outcome of scientific health research across the globe. Fauci uses the financial clout at his disposal to wield extraordinary influence over hospitals, universities, journals, and thousands of influential doctors and scientists—whose careers and institutions he has the power to ruin, advance, or reward.

During more than a year of painstaking and meticulous research, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. unearthed a shocking story that obliterates media spin on Dr. Fauci . . . and that will alarm every American—Democrat or Republican—who cares about democracy, our Constitution, and the future of our children’s health.
...
The Real Anthony Fauci details how Fauci, Gates, and their cohorts use their control of media outlets, scientific journals, key government and quasi-governmental agencies, global intelligence agencies, and influential scientists and physicians to flood the public with fearful propaganda about COVID-19 virulence and pathogenesis, and to muzzle debate and ruthlessly censor dissent.

up
2 users have voted.
CB's picture

@Fishtroller 02 "There is no clear evidence that COVID-19 vaccines have caused any deaths in the U.S."

https://www.ideastream.org/news/has-anyone-died-after-receiving-the-covi...

Is it possible to track if there have been deaths from the COVID-19 vaccine on the VAERS site? The site lets anyone report adverse events after receiving vaccines. The VAERS data has been ripe for those who want to promote misinformation but experts say there have been no deaths directly caused by the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.Three people died from blood clots after receiving the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

VAERS Analysis - Weekly analysis of the VAERS data

The purpose of this website is to document and analyze over time the number, severity, and scope of adverse reactions associated with the COVID-19 vaccines, as reported by the CDC’s passive surveillance system, known as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS.

Regarding the VAERS system, the CDC has stated the following:

  • It is national in scope and serves as an early warning tool for safety problems related to vaccines.
  • VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members.
  • Underreporting is one of the main limitations of VAERS, whereby only a fraction of all adverse effects are ever reported.
  • A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described.

VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 11/05/2021


You can hear personal testimony to damage done by the vaccination in the following report:

Rumble — Roundtable discussion with vaccine injured and medical experts on federal vaccine mandates and the importance of health care freedom.
Note: Fast forward to 30:30

up
8 users have voted.
snoopydawg's picture

@CB

FTA:

“Our findings show that vaccination alone is not enough to prevent people from being infected with the delta variant and spreading it in household settings,” said Ajit Lalvani, a professor of infectious diseases at Imperial College London who co-led the study. “The ongoing transmission we are seeing between vaccinated people makes it essential for unvaccinated people to get vaccinated to protect themselves.”

From getting infected? Again tell me how it makes sense to get vaccinated so you don’t get the Rona when it’s not protecting the already vaccinated from getting infected or spreading it? It’s right there in the media that they are not working as promised. This ain’t rocket science. Can you imagine if there were this many breakthrough infections for polio or smallpox? Wouldn’t people be questioning the validity of the vaccines?

Sweden kept it schools open for 1.8 million kids and not one died. The flu is more dangerous to kids than the Rona is.

up
7 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

@CB , to quite a few of these accounts on that site. They are just horrible and for people to deny them is inhuman. As Dr. Jessica Rose points out, (and has been posted here before several times) the number of adverse events from this vaccination far exceeds the A.E.s reported for all vaccines combined over the past ten years.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/phd-researchers-analysis-of-vaers-data...

up
5 users have voted.

@CB

You point to him as a verifiable source of information on Covid and treatments?

"Sen. Ron Johnson, a Republican from Wisconsin, said he would support a vaccine mandate for an "incredibly deadly disease," but said he would not support such a mandate for COVID-19.

"No," Johnson said during a Friday evening appearance on Fox News' "The Ingraham Angle" when asked whether he would ever support any sort of vaccine mandate. "Not unless there's some incredibly deadly disease. I mean much higher infection-fatality rates than we have with COVID."

"We don't know the final infection-fatality rate, but right now it's looking like it's not going to be much more than double a bad season of flu," he added".

Double a bad season of winter flu would give you about 70,000 deaths. We've had over 700,000 in the US and 5 million world wide.

So he doesn't take deaths seriously from Covid. He only presents Congressional testimony on vaccine side effects. Great.

up
0 users have voted.

"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin

CB's picture

@Fishtroller 02

You point to him as a verifiable source of information on Covid and treatments?

You are not making any sense whatsover. You again are attempting to gaslight me and I take offence to it. Why don't you hold the insults and deal with the matter under discussion?

Did you even watch the video before making those comments? I doubt that you did because you have completely and utterly missed the point and purpose of the panel discussion in your eagerness to disparage the messenger.

Please read the following. Unfortunately I doubt that you will even do this minimum.

VIDEO RELEASE
Sen. Ron Johnson: What is the Rationale for the Mandates? There is No Rationale
November 4, 2021

WASHINGTON — On Tuesday, U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) held a panel discussion with doctors and medical researchers who have treated COVID-19 vaccine injuries and are researching the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines, patients who have experienced adverse events due to the COVID-19 vaccine, and vaccine mandates. The senator spoke to his advocacy for early treatment, the importance of American’s health care freedom and recognizing natural immunity, the impacts of mandates, and the lack of transparency from federal health agencies in response to his COVID-19 oversight requests.

Sen. Ron Johnson said: “Telling the truth in today’s cancel culture is not necessarily easy. You can pay a pretty heavy price, I really appreciate everybody participating in this, either personally or via video. Their willingness to tell the truth, it is a real shame that we are having to hold this round table. Had government officials, the heads of our health care agencies, had they been doing their job. Had they been honest and transparent with the American public, we wouldn’t be here today. The very sad fact of the matter is they haven’t. We are billing this as a discussion about the vaccine mandates, which is the current policy response to COVID that will rob us of freedom and take an enormous toll on human beings and on our economy. I think every American really needs to ask themselves a question. Since the beginning of this pandemic, have the polices followed by the U.S government, and you can ask this to governments of the world but we are going to focus on the U.S, have they worked? Have the shutdowns worked? Have the mask mandates worked? Have the vaccines and are the vaccine mandates going to work? I am sure we have all hoped and prayed they would have. But the fact is, we have close to seven hundred and fifty thousand Americans who have now reported that died with or from COVID. Seven hundred and fifty thousand. In the U.S we rank, 23rd out of more than two hundred nations.”

“Now our government officials, talk about them not being particularly honest, not being particularly transparent. We even invited them all here, representatives and the heads of the CDC, Secretary of Defense Austin, Secretary of Labor Marty Walsh, Secretary of Transportation Buttigieg, FDA acting commissioner Woodcock, and HHS Secretary Becerra, NIAID Director Fauci, NIH Director Collins, together with the CEOs of Johnson and Johnson, Pfizer, Moderna, and BioNTech. None of them showed up. None of them showed up. President Biden for his part in terms of honestly, July 21th just a couple months ago, said, if you are vaccinated, you are not going to be hospitalized, you are not going to be in an ICU unit, you are not going to die. You are not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations. He said, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. How I wish, he was right when he said these vaccines are going to be that effective.”
...

up
1 user has voted.
CB's picture

@Fishtroller 02

But why try to make people who have chosen to have vaccines feel like they may die from it? What purpose does this serve?

I have no problem with vaccines in general. But if a mandate to force one to have a passport I want to understand fully what the dangers are. I would accept a standard killed COVID-13 virus vaccine. I refuse to use a brand new gene therapy that had only gone through 2-3 months testing before release to the general public with a EUA that absolves the vaccine manufacturer of ALL liability should there be adverse events. The overall data set for Pfizer is a closely guarded secret until its scheduled release in the fall of 2023. Even Government lawmakers tried to gain access to this important data but were stymied by Fauci's complete control of the NIH.

The EUA should have never been issued in the first place because there were and currently are safe prophylaxis and therapeutics to manage SARS-CoV-2.

Facts have now shown that the vaccines do not prevent infection nor transmission. They only serve to lesson the disease in a limited number. But this has shown to be fleeting - barely 6 months which will then require a booster.

The vaccines will also be mandated for those that have gained natural immunity which gives rise to another concern. That of antibody dependent enhancement which can be fatal.

When there was an outbreak of TB at a company I worked for in the early 1970's we were all skin tested and given shots. As I had contracted TB when I was a teenager, I was exempted - a shot could be dangerous. I had to get a blood test for TB and X-rayed instead.

The US has been forced by the CDC to rely solely on vaccines to handle this pandemic. No other remedies can be applied if one contracts the disease. It is isolate at home and wait to see if the disease progresses to the point where one requires O2 at which time you can be admitted to hospital. By this time the disease may have progressed to the point where it is extremely difficult to treat and there is a much higher chance of death.

up
9 users have voted.
CB's picture

@Fishtroller 02

However, in order for there to really be some sort of vast conspiracy to kill us all from vaccines, every little county in every state in the US would have to be complicit.

It is about control - the forced vaccine passports are the camel's nose under the tent.

The passports are in the works as we speak. They will be tied to your driver's licenses which now have to have biometric data of your face with REAL-ID. This will be required for all plane and train travel, domestically and foreign. It will also used for health care services, retail sales credit and even purchase and rental of property.

Your Driver’s License Will Become a Vaccine Passport
By adminIn Corona, News, VaccinePosted November 17, 2021
...
Mobile IDs Tied to Health Care, Law Enforcement

GET Group North America is working fervently to create “secure ID credentials,”3 which includes the release of an international standard for mobile driver’s licenses and mobile IDs (mID). The standards were approved for publication August 18, 2021, clearing the way for “global ID and driver’s license issuers to confidently deploy mDL solutions, and for verifiers around the world to implement or adopt mDL readers.”4

GET’s Mobile ID also intends to go far beyond a typical driver’s license to act as a digital identity that will tie in to retail, health care, law enforcement and travel sectors. The pandemic accelerated what was previously a gradual transition to digital, using the public health dogma that it would be better to not pass physical documents and IDs back and forth.

“Being able to empower customers to have a credential that they can use in a transaction where they’re not passing back and forth a physical document has been further accelerated by the pandemic,” Ian Grossman, vice president of member services and public affairs for the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA), told Government Technology.5
...

As Klaus Schwab (World Economic Forum - often referred to simply as 'Davos') said "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

If you want a peak into your Brave New World future visit the link below. It's from a Christian conservative website but that doesn't negate its message. (PS I am not religious - except in a liberal secular way.)

What is the social credit system?

The social credit system, also known as the Ranking System, is used by China and has already crept into America via the cancel culture and political correctness. China’s goal is to develop a high trust society based on individuals and companies following the law. A numeric score is assigned to individuals and companies that can have a profound effect on personal and corporate life. Those who comply with the imposed social credit system will be rewarded materially and socially. Those who don’t will be penalized.
...
(In China) Low scores can result in possible travel bans, decreased Internet speeds, not getting certain jobs, or being barred from attending certain schools. Like something from a dystopian science fiction novel, in China, the threat is real because hundreds of millions of surveillance cameras use facial-recognition software to perform surveillance on their citizenry.
...

In case you didn't know, the US now has MORE surveillance cameras per capita than China has.

up
13 users have voted.
snoopydawg's picture

@CB

Shaub even wrote a book about what the plan is but some people just think it’s nonsense. Gates has talked about his plans, but of course it’s just CT. I posted a short excerpt from the video yesterday and you posted the link. Here it is again.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/NCF94LZZZEGr/

I’m not sure about the trans human stuff but she’s not the only one talking about it. Whitney Webb has been from the beginning. She wrote dark winter if anyone is interested.

up
8 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

@CB

up
7 users have voted.

NYCVG

QMS's picture

Apologies

up
5 users have voted.
enhydra lutris's picture

@QMS

coarse, of course, something perhaps related to setting courses in order to stay on course.

be well and have a good one

up
5 users have voted.

That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

QMS's picture

@enhydra lutris

Just figured that out while in the workshop. Thoughts drifting ..
Thanks

up
4 users have voted.
ggersh's picture

up
10 users have voted.

Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal....Robert A.Heinlein

"Unregulated Capitalism is a Suicide Pact"....Noam Chomsky

snoopydawg's picture

@ggersh

I read about someone who has been injected 3 times but got sick after going out to eat. They kept their mask on the whole time except to eat. I went to brunch during the early days of this and masks were required inside until one sat at the table then they could be removed. Didn’t have to put them on when the waiter came to take the order or deliver it. But sure…safe and works.

Have to wear them on flights unless you’re eating or drinking. Weird virus that just stops because you’re doing something that uses ones mouth.

up
9 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

ggersh's picture

@snoopydawg But the Illinois head football coach now has Covid, and he had his booster also. I just can't help but think with all the countries that are fully vaccinated having the highest rates of covid, it's the vaccine that is the problem, not the solution.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/gibraltar-has-100-covid-vaccination-5th-h...

up
12 users have voted.

Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal....Robert A.Heinlein

"Unregulated Capitalism is a Suicide Pact"....Noam Chomsky

snoopydawg's picture

@ggersh

Just think how much worse it would have been if not vaccinated. Seems that they should be reclassified as a treatment instead of a vaccine because that’s what they are now. If it keeps one from having a worst case then it’s a treatment. Sorta like Pfizer-mectin that has had one trial and is being given an EAU whilst ivermectin has over 60 but not getting it. But then it’s just horse paste like water is just horse fluid.

up
8 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

ggersh's picture

@snoopydawg https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/qw9639/i_keep_having_to_p...

up
8 users have voted.

Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal....Robert A.Heinlein

"Unregulated Capitalism is a Suicide Pact"....Noam Chomsky

@ggersh
and when ‘full protection’ is reached one's immune system will be stressed out and weakened by its response to the vaccine. For those with innate or natural immunity from previous encounters with covid those protections will also be at a low ebb. Those who believe they are ‘good to go’ and protected the moment the injection is in the arm may not have been warned to maintain precautions for a couple of weeks or more to give your immune system a chance to recover.

up
8 users have voted.

Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority. Meanwhile people are dying because of the material self-interest of a few. - Eduardo Giuliani

“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

ggersh's picture

@ovals49 booster, have you?

I've been taking Vit D, Zinc and have Ivermectin in the draw just in case. But as far as getting the booster I think not. And I had the J&J jab back in May which means it's pretty much worthless.

up
8 users have voted.

Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal....Robert A.Heinlein

"Unregulated Capitalism is a Suicide Pact"....Noam Chomsky

@ggersh
And considering my March date, protection from infection (presumably symptomatic) in August was down to 3%. It’s probably less than 0% now, since my injection came with a ten point rise in both systolic and diastolic BP, which adds a new, and significant, co-morbidity to my health status profile.

It was a talk by Geert Vandenbossche where I heard of the increased susceptibility to illness immediately post vaccination and the possible loss of some of the protection acquired from previous infection if one were to subsequently receive a vaccine for the same pathogen. It makes sense to me since the immune system pivots to the strongest or most recent pathogen (or vaccine). The broad based natural immunity may become secondary to the more recent, and inferior level of protection afforded by the mismatched spike protein of the current vaccines and boosters.

I would consider a traditional whole virus based vaccine that has been properly tested (not EUA) but that’s probably years out, and unless we get rid of Fauci and his cronies, unlikely to become available in the US. So until then, for me, it’s prophylaxis with a mix of OTC and controversial, but safe and effective, off label prescriptions.

up
10 users have voted.

Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority. Meanwhile people are dying because of the material self-interest of a few. - Eduardo Giuliani

“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

CB's picture

@ovals49

Inactivated virus vaccines Sinopharm BIBP, CoronaVac, Covaxin, Sinopharm WIBP, Others

All light grey countries are where they are not authorized to be used.

Only Pfizer-BioNTech (mRna), Moderna (mRNA) and Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (viral vector) are authorized for use in the US, Canada, Australia and Western Europe. These are vaccines that use the engineered spike protein that is problematic. But, the majority of these countries will now accept the inactivated virus vaccines for travel.

up
8 users have voted.
enhydra lutris's picture

"You may die, which is normal"

At some point, most assuredly, after all, "he not busy being born is busy dying"

be well and have a good one

up
6 users have voted.

That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

snoopydawg's picture

On November 12, 2021, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit granted a motion to stay OSHA's COVID-19 Vaccination and Testing Emergency Temporary Standard, published on November 5, 2021 (86 Fed. Reg. 61402) ("ETS"). The court ordered that OSHA "take no steps to implement or enforce" the ETS "until further court order." While OSHA remains confident in its authority to protect workers in emergencies, OSHA has suspended activities related to the implementation and enforcement of the ETS pending future developments in the litigation.

Biden should stop telling businesses to stop mandating them too. As of yesterday he was doing it.

up
13 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

zed2's picture

and licensing. One that reflects the least restrictive regulatory state. They cant increase standards anywhere.

Then they want to make it so medical licenses are accepted between countries. Even though fraud in licensing and fake degrees are common or even prevalent in some countries.

up
7 users have voted.
snoopydawg's picture

Weird how Gates was recently talking about smallpox…oh well it’s a good thing there’s a drug to treat it.

up
11 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

At least it is for me.

This morning, the local TV news station featured Mayor de Blasio and his team of Doctors and the topic was Test! Test! Test! Then, TRACE.

Test! before you fly. Test! when you return to NYC.

Test! before Thanksgiving gathering. Test! After Thanksgiving gathering.

Then TRACE---tell us who your associates are. Who are your neighbors?

Not only 2 shots. Endless boosters. Test! TRACE (inform)

This is the full blown installation part of the Authoritarian State.

Please, if you can---calm me down.

up
9 users have voted.

NYCVG

CB's picture

@NYCVG

NEW YORK — New York Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration cleared the way Monday for all adults in the city to receive a booster shot of COVID-19 vaccine as colder weather threatens to bring a wave of new infections.

up
4 users have voted.

@CB No booster shot for me, thank you.

The second covid jab had me coughing and choking up phlegm for 7 months.

Rich people will find a way to get the certification without getting another shot.

If I knew whom to collaborate with, it seems like all you have to do is sign up for a shot, roll up your sleeve, get the alcohol wipe down and then a bandaid. $100.00 to the provider to throw away your shot, but complete your certification. Everybody is happy. Pharma gets its money. The provider has a little cash and we get to avoid any further poisoning.

up
9 users have voted.

NYCVG

snoopydawg's picture

@NYCVG

I’ve read that some who have done it have been caught. If you can believe what we’re told. I’d get it in a heartbeat if it wasn’t tied to boosters. Ya never know. As for calming you down just laugh at what they say and know it’s fear mongering. Paranoia keeps people from thinking clearly.

up
7 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

@snoopydawg tried to pass off fraudulent cards.

I think they did not understand that the mumbers written in on your vaccination card can be checked against a database.

That's why you need to get a specific shot and just not let it go in your arm.

If push comes to shove---and I expect that it will---I am willing to take a child's shot. Pfizer's kids vaxx is 1/3 the strength of the adult shot and I expect to survive that.

up
6 users have voted.

NYCVG

@NYCVG

Search Duck Duck Go with: "children recieved adult covid vaccine". There have been an alarming number of instances of pediatric overdose of COVID vaccines. (Your results may be quite different when using other search engines)

Be sure to double check the vial! Mistakes can, and do happen.

Pfizer's kids vaxx is 1/3 the strength of the adult shot and I expect to survive that.
up
8 users have voted.

Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority. Meanwhile people are dying because of the material self-interest of a few. - Eduardo Giuliani

“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

snoopydawg's picture

@ovals49

2 other kids in some state got an adult dose and both experienced stomach pains. Twit reported 6 teenage sudden deaths recently. And Walensky is still saying that everyone should get jabbed because they are safe. Bull. When kids are being sacrificed you know that evil walks the land.

It’s considered safe to mix and match the different ones and it’s safe to get your booster at the same time as your flu shot. Funny how no one has seen the studies determining that. 87 people in a nursing home have gotten sick after being jabbed with 8 dying. Gates admitted that they are not working very well and we need a new vaccine to stop the epidemic. I’ll say. One that actually kills the virus dead instead of just one part of it causing it to mutate. Good lord I took very little science in school but even I knew that. When will people start getting angry at those who did this to us?

EBs has a story on why Medicare is going up so much this year. It’s because of the Alzheimer’s drug that costs so much and doesn’t work. The FDA had no business authorizing it. The tests never proved it did a damn thing, but some one will make lots of money from it. Remedisiver (sp) is toxic as hell but it gets authorized over ivermectin?

2D0723C5-AF4C-40E4-9550-E001D20B50E1.jpeg

up
9 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

@ovals49 so---not only is the vaccine of questionable safety, it is being administered carelessly.

Yikes.

up
4 users have voted.

NYCVG

ggersh's picture

@NYCVG

up
7 users have voted.

Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal....Robert A.Heinlein

"Unregulated Capitalism is a Suicide Pact"....Noam Chomsky

@ggersh than a booster, for sure.

May make me dizzy but not dead.

(My dainty system can no longer tolerate all the fun I used to have)

up
8 users have voted.

NYCVG

@NYCVG
but prefer to chew my doses.

up
7 users have voted.

Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority. Meanwhile people are dying because of the material self-interest of a few. - Eduardo Giuliani

“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

and can be had in kindle format for $2.99 at the moment.

From the introduction:

“Americans’ native idealism will make them reluctant to believe that their government’s COVID policies were so grotesquely ill-conceived, so unfounded in science, so tethered to financial interests, that they caused hundreds of thousands of wholly unnecessary deaths.”

and a quote from Dr.Peter McCullough :

Therapeutic nihilism was the real killer of America’s seniors.” A quote in reference to the blatant repression by public health agencies of ANY early treatment protocols; only vaccination

I expect the Mighty Wurlitzer will be spinning it’s maligning and censoring into overdrive shortly, but this extensively footnoted and meticulously researched book is going to have a profound effect on any who have the curiosity, an open mind and the stomach to hear just how deep and interconnected the rot at the top, at the highest echelons of government, business and banking, actually is.

With 400 pages to go, I am already gobsmacked.

up
13 users have voted.

Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority. Meanwhile people are dying because of the material self-interest of a few. - Eduardo Giuliani

“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

CB's picture

@ovals49
Those are pretty powerful people Kennedy is messing with. I wonder what personal protection he has hired....

up
10 users have voted.

@CB
which as you point out involves making some very wealthy interests very uncomfortable. Among those ranks it would not surprise me to find a sociopath or two who would not hesitate removing the irritant, post haste. It’s not like it hasn’t happened before. Going big and going public may be the best way to survive confronting the monstrosity of our corrupt public health system and its alliance with big business and big banks.

Or not.

Interesting times….. Not for the faint of heart, to be sure.

up
10 users have voted.

Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority. Meanwhile people are dying because of the material self-interest of a few. - Eduardo Giuliani

“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

CB's picture

@ovals49
more than 1 or 2 in the cut-throat corporations Kennedy is dealing with. The main one would be Fauci himself. They would off Kennedy with as much remorse as we would killing a fly that is buzzing around our head.

Why are so many successful companies being run by psychopaths?
...
Paul Verhaeghe, a Dutch psychologist and psychotherapist has a simple argument to explain the high incidence of psychopathy in the modern corporate world. He points the finger at our current economic system, neoliberal capitalism.

Verhaeghe argues that meritocratic neoliberalism rewards those who display psychopathic traits. Risk taking, superficial charm, lack of empathy, impulsivity, setting short-term goals – are becoming necessary in the cut-throat corporate environment.
...
But other psychopathic traits, such as lying, lack of guilt, dishonesty, and failure to accept responsibility for your actions are widely seen to be signs of moral failure.
...

up
10 users have voted.

@ovals49
or causing blow-back that works against their agenda. He should stay off of small planes and avoid walking alone.

The fact that it is morally wrong falls right below 'I might break a nail' on their list of reasons not to do it.

up
2 users have voted.

@ovals49 Will be in my hands in a day or so.

Time was, I sneered at Bobby Kennedy and cheered Barack Obama.

Never too late to learn.

Still may not agree with Kennedy on much but I am entirely open to his views on our current crisis.

up
9 users have voted.

NYCVG

@NYCVG
for up-thread.

It is well written and informative, and much closer to truth than anything likely to pass Fauci’s lips. Truth can be an antidote to the propaganda panoply we live in the midst of, but it can also rock the boat pretty hard.

Malone, the good spirited garden gnome, even admitted to being seriously depressed for several days after helping with the editing of Kennedy’s book. I’ll be taking small doses of reading, and much larger doses of outdoor time to work my way through it.

up
9 users have voted.

Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority. Meanwhile people are dying because of the material self-interest of a few. - Eduardo Giuliani

“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

QMS's picture

@ovals49

Thinking we may have to head offshore to secure a reasonable alternative to whatever the 'murican
medical mafia offers us here. Hey, boost your immunity and get your teeth fixed in one trip Wink

up
6 users have voted.
snoopydawg's picture

@ovals49

Great price. Is there room for me to despise Fauci more than I already do? Guess I’ll find out. What he did to beagles burns my heart!

Sure if he hasn’t been told to follow the Fauci line. Many doctors have been threatened not to deviate from it or'd they get their license pulled. Yay freedom of speech!

up
8 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

@ovals49 . No kidding. None of this is calming. Just reading all this stresses me out. There is no alternative though. Not reading it? Sticking my head in the ground and pretending it's not so? Nah...it doesn't work either. Six to one, half a dozen to the other.

Do agree...physical work outdoors is a good antidote though. That and every calming measure I can think of....deep breath.

up
6 users have voted.

@randtntx
with my wife about how difficult a time I am having reading and learning just how bad (‘evil’ seems more appropriate in some instances) it was, and still is. My wife felt it is important to pursue the facts, however difficult, if one is to honor the effort to compile and witness to these abhorrent behaviors that are being revealed. I agree with her, and will likely persist and finish the book eventually, difficult as it is.

As Lilly Tomlin once said; “No matter how cynical I get, I just can’t keep up.”

up
6 users have voted.

Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority. Meanwhile people are dying because of the material self-interest of a few. - Eduardo Giuliani

“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

snoopydawg's picture

@ovals49

I have birds roosting and nesting in my patio awning and I used to grumble about them waking me up, but when I heard them this morning I once again thought of how silent the skies have been here all summer. I remember tons of birds a few summers ago but now there doesn’t seem to be very many. The only time I heard and saw them when camping was in the morning. Millions of birds died just last summer from the heat waves. Actually that’s billions of just one species according to an article I read.

I thought what the hell have we allowed the psychopaths to do to the planet? This world is no longer the world I grew up in, but was there any chance that we could have stopped them? How many tried to warn people about Hitler or any Hitler before or after, but because he had support from powerful and rich people behind him off he went to do heinous acts. Did we allow it or just go along for the ride? Either way I miss the world of my youth. And I’m sad for the one we are leaving for the kids. Will they ever know the sound of bird song?

up
3 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

snoopydawg's picture

As explained in a prior article, the FDA repeatedly promised “full transparency” with regard to Covid-19 vaccines, including reaffirming “the FDA’s commitment to transparency” when licensing Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.

With that promise in mind, in August and immediately following approval of the vaccine, more than 30 academics, professors, and scientists from this country’s most prestigious universities requested the data and information submitted to the FDA by Pfizer to license its COVID-19 vaccine.

The FDA’s response? It produced nothing. So, in September, my firm filed a lawsuit against the FDA on behalf of this group to demand this information. To date, almost three months after it licensed Pfizer’s vaccine, the FDA still has not released a single page. Not one.

Instead, two days ago, the FDA asked a federal judge to give it until 2076 to fully produce this information. The FDA asked the judge to let it produce the 329,000+ pages of documents Pfizer provided to the FDA to license its vaccine at the rate of 500 pages per month, which means its production would not be completed earlier than 2076. The FDA’s promise of transparency is, to put it mildly, a pile of illusions.

up
12 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

QMS's picture

@snoopydawg

that's putting it mildly
killing me softly ..
with this song and dance
extended play ..

up
7 users have voted.
CB's picture

@snoopydawg
It took 108 days to approve the vaccine but it will now take 55 years to discover the basis of this approval.

https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/020-Second-Joint-Stat...
SECOND JOINT REPORT
...
It took the FDA precisely 108 days from when Pfizer started producing the records for licensure on May 7, 2021,14 to when the product was licensed on August 23, 2021.15 We assume, as the FDA has stated, that it conducted an intense, robust, thorough and complete review and analysis of those documents in order to assure that the Pfizer vaccine was safe and effective for licensure. The FDA now has an equally important task of making those documents available to the Plaintiff in this case and the public at large in at least the same timeframe.
...
The FDA has proposed to produce 500 pages per month which, based on its calculated number of pages, would mean it would complete its production in nearly 55 years – the year 2076.
...
Plaintiff respectfully requests that the Court enter an order requiring the FDA to produce
all documents and data submitted by Pfizer on a rolling basis such that all of it shall be produced on or before March 3, 2022, which is 108 days from today. To require less is to render FOIA meaningless, the FDA’s promise of transparency a lie, and to send a signal to every American that while the federal executive branch is shielding Pfizer from any liability for injuries from its product and requiring employers, schools, hospitals and the military to expel those that don’t receive this product, it is protecting the very documents Pfizer provided to our taxpayer-funded health agency to obtain licensure to be able to sell this product. That simply should not be and highlights why FOIA and equity demand the relief Plaintiff requests herein.

Dated: November 15, 2021
...

BTW, under the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) which covers the EUA you have one year (lawyer not allowed) to make a claim against the vaccine.
To date there been no compensated claims.

Compensation Programs for Potential COVID-19 Vaccine Injuries
Updated October 20, 2021
...
In light of the COVID-19 pandemic, HRSA has received a larger number of CICP claims than it has received historically. As of September 1, 2021, CICP has received 2,392 claims alleging injury or death relating to COVID-19 countermeasures, of which 1,031 claims (43%) relate to COVID-19 vaccines. CICP has not yet compensated any claims relating to COVID-19 countermeasures; it has denied three claims because the standard of proof for causation was not met and/or a covered injury was not sustained. The remainder of the COVID-19 countermeasure claims (2,389 or 99.9%) are in review or pending CICP review.
...

up
9 users have voted.
snoopydawg's picture

@CB

Good golly if they compensated people for losing their health then how would the banks be able to take their houses? Silly man there’s stealing to do from those who put their trust in government and big pharma.

Is it true though that insurance companies are not footing the bill either? Life insurance for those who died? How utterly wicked that would be if it is. Ghouls.

up
6 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

@snoopydawg , that every last single one of us is dead before they release that data. Even the poor infants who are going to be sick and maimed from this drug.

up
6 users have voted.
wendy davis's picture

i've tried hard to stay semi-agnostic on the subject, but i just perused cordelier's twitter account looking for Sesame Street and Jabs.

but oy and veh, has Sesame Street turned into a Big Rah-Rah for Military and 'big tent' multiculturalism.

up
8 users have voted.
snoopydawg's picture

Read the article. And comments.

up
10 users have voted.

In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

Selection_005_22.png

up
4 users have voted.

@gjohnsit @gjohnsit
Globally:
Weekly New Cases:
3,501,646
+253,357 (+8%)
(vs preceding week)

Weekly New Deaths:
48,873
-595 (-1%)
(vs preceding week)

USA:
Weekly New Cases:
606,016 (+15%)
(vs preceding week)

Weekly New Deaths:
6,928 (-13%)
(vs preceding week)

Link
[edit cut and paste typo]

up
4 users have voted.

Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority. Meanwhile people are dying because of the material self-interest of a few. - Eduardo Giuliani

“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

@ovals49

USA:
Weekly New Cases:
606,016
+253,357 (+15%)
(vs preceding week)

Weekly New Deaths:
6,928 (-13%)
(vs preceding week)

The ratio of deaths to cases keeps getting lower.

up
5 users have voted.
CB's picture

@gjohnsit

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-cases-daily

up
3 users have voted.

@gjohnsit
in two weeks or so. The drop in death ratio, even assuming it continues, is not going to be enough cover a seven day 15% rise in cases.

We’re all hungry for good news on the covid front. My hope is that we adopt a safe and sane national policy on early treatment with off label repurposed pharmaceuticals. Wishful thinking on my part, as is your hope that a modest drop in death ratio will end the pandemic.

up
6 users have voted.

Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority. Meanwhile people are dying because of the material self-interest of a few. - Eduardo Giuliani

“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

@ovals49

The drop in death ratio, even assuming it continues, is not going to be enough cover a seven day 15% rise in cases.

The cases to death ratio has been dropping since the pandemic started.

We’re all hungry for good news on the covid front.

No, I don't believe that's true

up
3 users have voted.
CB's picture

@gjohnsit

Coronavirus in the U.S.: Where cases are growing and declining

Cases are rising in more than a dozen states, leading experts to fear a fifth wave that will collide with the winter flu season.
Updated Nov. 15

For more than three weeks new daily cases in the U.S. have flatlined, averaging between 70,000 and 75,000 per day; but in the past week there was an uptick in infections. Cases are now rising in Illinois, Tennessee, Minnesota, Colorado, and more than a dozen other states. North Dakota leads the country with more than 67 cases per 100,000 people. Although deaths have been declining and have fallen to an average of 1,200 per day for the past week, the death toll for the U.S. now stands at almost 760,000 since the start of the pandemic.

The you look at the US maps showing monthly cases from last year (bottom of link) you will see the case rate going up at the start of winter in the northern regions and travel southwards following the lowering temperature gradient in December and January. This is the identical pattern for the H1N1 influenza. The death rate will depend on the waning effectiveness of the vaccines, the number of people with natural immunity and the number taking prophylaxis like those recommended by FLCCC. I think there will be a big push for the boosters by the CDC within the coming weeks.

I believe SARS-CoV-2 will be with us like the flu with seasonal waves but with lower amplitude when they've finally culled the older and weaker members of the herd.

Average age of death

up
6 users have voted.