Clintonists Tell Leftists to Fall in Line Behind Kamala Harris
"Since speculation arose that Sen. Kamala Harris is preparing to run for president, Hillary Clinton’s supporters have defended her using a strategy that was developed during the 2016 Democratic primaries against Sen. Bernie Sanders. This strategy revolves around the Bernie Bros narrative, which propagates the myth that Sanders supporters are sexist, racist white males. The fact that many of progressives’ criticisms, policies and grassroots efforts have been led and founded by women and people of color are, of course, ignored." [more]
The Clinton liberals have anointed black Hillary this primary season just like they anointed white Hillary in 2016. She checks all the boxes: black, female, Clintonista, loved by Wall Street and the big money funders.
Twitter is attacking Tulsi and Berniebros as fast as their gold-laden fingers can keyboard, and the media is falling in line.
CNN
CNN to host Kamala Harris town hall event in Iowa https://thehill.com/homenews/media/426349-cnn-to-host-kamala-harris-town...
Five Thirty-Eight
FiveThirtyEight has concluded that Kamala is the "strongest" candidate based on a bunch of flimsy, jargon-laden criteria that basically amount to gibberish. And then they'll deny that they're actively shaping perceptions of the race; just objectively analyzing "data" pic.twitter.com/mtnTMWJdKN
— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) January 23, 2019
The New York Times:
Notice how the NYT describes Kamala as having "history-making potential" but omits this label for Tulsi, even though she's a minority woman. NYT instead chooses to label Tulsi an anti-gay Assad lover. This is how establishment consensus tries to preemptively disqualify candidates pic.twitter.com/Ph3a8dquAY
— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) January 23, 2019
The Dems are emboldened because Trump is so hated, and they misread the 2018 blue wave just like we knew they would.
Democratic donors still think they can anoint rising stars in the Hamptons
Harris met with some of Hillary Clinton’s beloved megadonors this past weekend. Reportedly, they were all smitten. She has been a hero of the MSNBC set since she sparred with Republican senators during intelligence committee hearings involving testimony from the attorney general, Jeff Sessions, and his deputy, Rod Rosenstein.
So, STFU voters and do as the MSNBC fans demand. Vote for the lesser of evil one more time because Trump, and it worked so well last time, and the time before that, and the time before...
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At the present time
I'll voting for Kamala Harris for "Lessor Evil of the Century".
How's that for history making?
Can't I support Biden instead?
He's been approved by the neoliberal corporate establishment. Isn't that enough?
Sure, he's perfect and right in tune.
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How often in your life . . .
. . . has falling in line ever led to anything good? I don't mean just a single instant. All instances where you were instructed to fall in line. How did the outcomes go? Do the percentages.
Then look more broadly: When did falling in line ever lead to anything good for society?
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She's the chosen one.
They think we will fall in line because they would if told
to by the proper authority. The easiest and safest way to have a revolt is for everyone to show up and vote third party up and down the ballot. Without a shot being fired, we could throw all the bums out.
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They don't care about us. They have
"We're not Trump!" And the popular vote President.
Don't kid yourself....
We took down Hillary, and they know it. That is why they are still so pissed off at Bernie and his "bros". I for one am proud of it. I never deny it. I claim credit for taking Hillary out every chance I get, and I always throw in I did it in Michigan.
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they took themselves down
the Repubs nominated the 16th best candidate in their field (Santorum is #17) but the Dems cleared the field and their chosen candidate still nearly lost the nomination.
Since we're not Democrats they didn't have us to begin with. They chose to keep us out. No doubt they'll do it again in 2020.
Or,
Vote for the candidate with the smallest campaign chest.
Weaponize the money.
I think it'll be
losing to Pence the Pious, but the r's still see some mileage in Trump, for now.
Harris won this week's DK straw poll
and boy do they dislike Tulsi over there. Here's how MarkOS ended his screed:
First # is this week, second is the last one.
Kamala Harris 27% 14
Elizabeth Warren 18 22
Joe Biden 13 14
Bernie Sanders 12 11
Beto O’Rourke 8 15
Sherrod Brown 6 n/a
Cory Booker 2 3
Tulsi Gabbard 1 n/a
Unsure 6 9
Other 5 9
n=28K n=35.5K
There is now no depth that cannot be reached in the effort to bamboozle Democrats and keep them stupid and needlessly fearful
Markos is such an ass.
So how did they go from Liz Warren to Harris in one week unless the straw poll is gamed as well as useless? It sure didn't take that bunch of MSNBC assholes long to get their marching orders and talking points. I can't tell you how glad I am not to be there. They couldn't pay me enough to put up with them.
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Quite a few people didn't vote this time
because it required them to submit their email to do so. Unless it was already on file. People flat out said that they refuse to give it out.
Just another way to make money because they sell people's email address to 3rd parties.
There is now no depth that cannot be reached in the effort to bamboozle Democrats and keep them stupid and needlessly fearful
You are absolutely right.
Collecting emails to see is why they do petitions and everything else. So now they have a Democratic candidate straw poll on a centrist site that bans progressives and won't let people vote unless they send in their emails.
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After finding out TOP is a money making scheme....
Yah, never realized the scandal around Kos and TOP when I first joined in 2005 (I think it was) about the pay-to-play scheme. Kos monetized members in similar ways as Facebook monetized its members. Many aspects about the site now make sense if one views TOP as a kind of profit center.
Is there money to be made supporting Sanders or Gabbard? Is there money to be made via a Russian xenophobia that has made Maddow and MSNBC ratings winners?
How useless can a poll be?
very useless it seems
maybe somebody loosened the screw
Actually, Markos appears in the same election analysis, a few seconds before the bit I flagged above:
Sigh
i gotta say
that on that list, i'll vote for 'Unsure'. is he/she from the Know Nothing Party and proud of it? suits me.
Democrats are the party of the woke?
What did they wake up to, exactly? More Clintonistas?
Trump is awful enough that the Democratic nominee just might win.
Posters on the message board where I used to post--the one owned and run by the husband of a Clinton staffer--have been pushing Harris for a long time. So, none of this is a surprise. Still my heart feels leaden while my mind says, "Of course."
In my book,
anyone who claims to be "woke" really means dumb and mesmerized. I am sick to death of the tribalism on the left. A pink pussy hat might as well be a red MAGA hat. Not only do I disavow and disassociate from Democrats, I now do the same with liberals. If you are female or a native American rapper, you must be believed and revered. If you are a white male and god forbid in a red MAGA hat, these same so-called liberals are screaming for doxing and lynching in the public square.
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what were the pink hats all about?
I didn't get what they stood for, who promoted them, who paid for them? I don"t care, it looks ridiculous, but I missed what was said about those hats, when they first appeared. I am too far away to 'get' it. Is that like a pinky stilleto feminism kind of fashion?
I really don't know mimi, but guess is
they were flaunting female genitalia to taunt those they think see sex and women's bodies as something dirty and belonging in a burka. I've really had it with these people mimi. I remember when the floor was ceded to Reagan. It is important that other voices be heard. It pisses them off, but too bad. I am entitled to free speech too. If they don't like my state of "woke", they can f@ck off.
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It was an astro-turfed response
to Twitler Cheetolini's comment about "grabbing" women "by their pussies."
Wearing one, apparently, was/is a sign of your feminist power and membership in the #Resistence. Or some such bullshit.
[EDIT: grammar].
If you have it, flaunt it. Wear it on your head.
lol - the Resistance is a sad, sad bunch. Bet they all belong to Maddows fan club.
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It's pathetic to watch, really.
I remember when those pink hats became suddenly ubiquitous overnight ... "coincidentally," just in time for the first Women's March on Washington. Yet everyone who purchased (ahem, get a clue, people) and donned one somehow felt they were part of something powerful, rather than an unwitting clown in this circus we call America.
I have several friends who have participated, and continue to participate, in their local versions of the march, and I have to bite my tongue about it: because I can tell they absolutely believe they're doing something useful.
It's an uncomfortable place to be
silently witnessing friends you care about expend their goodwill, energy and money towards a veal penned "resistance" that is being controlled by the political machine.
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
veal penned existence...
You can say that again. Apparently, we remember nothing.
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Yup on biting one's tongue.
One friend comes to stay with me during the holidays, one of her friends brings her a pink ITMFA - standing for "impeach the mother fucker already." At the hand off both looked at me and knew I would "say something" but I managed to refrain, shake my head a bit and walk the hell away. I tried explaining about astro-turfing and both get that, but they just enjoy wearing those idiotic hats I guess. Whatever.
Pussyhats are no longer cool, apparently
This should give some of you a good laugh, or at least a chuckle.
Pink pussyhats: The reason feminists are ditching them
...
SMH.
Jesus, have any of them ever SEEN a vagina?
Prepare for egregious mansplaining:
Just to clear it up for you: ALL healthy vaginas are pink -- a very bright pink in fact. By contrast, FEW vulvas are actually pink. The distal ridges (i.e., most visible part) of the labia minora of even Caucasian women tend much more towards reddish brown than pink; some are rather purplish. (And of course, they actually change color under different conditions -- such as sexual arousal and pregnancy.)
If folks want to argue about whether the "pussy" is exclusively the inside or the outside, I guess they're free to do that -- the word has been a bit anachronistic in the age of the brazilian wax, but my efforts to popularize "naked mole rat" as a replacement have been in vain.
What next? Will they demand that streaming services banish the movie Untamed Heart, in which Christian Slater's character offers Marisa Tomei's character this endearment, at the close of telephone call: "Love and kisses on all your pink parts," given that, with her Mediterranean ancestry, the only easily kissable pink parts Marisa Tomei likely has are ones that she has painted that color?
/mansplaining
Sigh
lol - why am I surprised pink is now politically incorrect
First it was confederate statues on the wrong side of history, now it is Seinfeld.
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I do not think I am a reactionary person.
I'm totally behind the idea that bandaids should be made in different hues, and that little doll babies should be made in various shades, and that the pinkish-peachy crayon in the Crayola box shouldn't be labeled "flesh" (Well, that was always icky anyway, but I could see them having a crayon called "pink skin", and one called "olive skin", and so on), and that algorithms that automatically enhance photos of humans should work for africans as well as for scandinavians.
Broadly employed cultural artifacts that presume the non-existence of anyone not of the majority (or eventually, plurality) class in any broad category are a real affront to all the people not in that class, an affront that has real psychological consequences, especially for children, who of course become adults eventually, unless of course they die of dehydration in American concentration camps, or in a pink mist induced by an American drone.
But what is even more bizarre, and probably more damaging overall, is to insist on various cultural accommodations that pretend that the majority class is the one that doesn't exist. How is anyone supposed to think straight, when the language itself is not allowed to represent anything approximating reality? It's pure 1984. "Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia! Womanhood has never been associated with vaginas!"
Sigh
OMFG - no wonder MAGA people call them snowflakes
gender nonbinary people - are these the people that can be hetero in the am, gay in the pm, trans the next day? They have got to be nuts if they think anyone can take that seriously.
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I mean ... ARRGHGGHGHGGGH.
Will the same people start plasto-shaming those transwomen whose apparently false feminine consciousness motivates them to undergo surgery so as to create simulacra of female genitalia? Or is this going to be another one of those deals where epistemology is rendered, by dogma, relativistic with respect to inclusion or exclusion from Specially Endowed Classes of H. Sapiens? "She gets to believe that female genitalia are fundamental to her identity (because she was born without them), but she is NOT allowed to believe that female genitalia are important to her identity (because she was born with them), and he is allowed to believe that female genitalia are fundamental to identity because he was born with them, but he is not allowed to believe female genitalia are fundamental to identity, because he was born without them!"
What the fuck are we supposed to do about the 90% (random made-up statistic) of all the women in the world whose identity is inextricably linked to the reproductive anatomy with which they were born? Just dismiss their consciousness because it cannot be shared by the 9% (random made-up statistic) of women who, though born with female reproductive anatomy either did not have the opportunity, or did not have the inclination, or attempted but failed to employ all of its physiological functions; nor shared by the 1% (random made-up statistic) of women who were not born with female reproductive anatomy at all?
This is madness.
Sigh
I didn't go to the march last Sunday,
although I know many who did.
I wasn't sure about appropriate headgear.
When in doubt, you cannot go wrong with
Festival du Voyageur toque:
https://www.heho.ca/fr/produit/tuque-pompon/
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Today's version of feminism
leaves a bad taste in my mouth for women. In my day, it was about strength, independence, being as smart and as capable as any man. I see the current version of feminism as touchy feely, resentful, vengeful as any man, and all about victimhood.
I may be breaking tribal taboos by saying this, but it is what I think. I am done avoiding tribal politics.
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My opinion slightly differs
As far as I can gather, today's "feminism" means you have to support all women, all of the time. If you don't, you're automatically a misogynist.
Which strikes me as incredibly ironic, given that feminism was supposed to have been about (among other things) a woman's right to individual agency, independence, and decision-making. Yet somehow, when I exercise my individual agency to reject female candidates whom I feel do not represent my, or others', best interests, I'm betraying my gender.
(This gets funnier, in a pathetic way, when you consider the blatant hypocrisy among this particular crowd of "feminists," as snoopydawg has given many examples of. When I chose to support Jill Stein over HER, that was also apparently misogynistic because I'm only allowed to support the "correct" woman).
So, instead of "touchy-feely," I see it as elitist and judgmental. But I do think we both agree that it's not doing women any favors.
"Woke"
The long-unawaited, long-unasked-for DP response to the GOP's "nucular".
“Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark....Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists.” ― Ayn Rand
KH won't stand up under any kind of examination of her past.
She slept her way to the top of CA politics as Willie Brown's mistress. Her record as CA AG features multiple mis-steps, culminating (IMO) in giving Steve Mneuchin a pass on his corrupt dealings in the 2008 bank loan disaster.(Against the advice of her staff.)
Her ethics and morals are horrible and judging from her first campaign ad, she's using HRC's playbook & consultants. Her announcement is word salad.
Here are some facts (if you can handle Fox)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjebV6FNWFo
chuck utzman
TULSI 2020
Will the media cover it, and
will the internet permit coverage of her record? I've read about her time in Florida. She criminalized being tardy to school. She is Hillary is so many ways. Her trip to the Hamptons cements it. Twitter has a cast of characters that conveys so much in so few words: Kamala is black Hillary, Beto is black Obama, and Obama is white Reagan.
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Just relabel KH and suppress the left as with Hillary.
After Hillary took away the nomination, there was a big push to relabel her and create a mythology around her as a peace maker, progressive, etc. It may have worked with the base of the party, but not anybody else.
@chuckutzman Her sister is a member of
Her sister is a member of the Executive Committee of the DNC. She is bought by AIPAC. No wonder she is using the Clinton manual.
It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back. Carl Sagan
Maya Harris
From wikipedia:
The Center for American Progress. That's the outfit with which Neera Tanden and John Podesta are associated, among others.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
I knew this was coming.
How could it not? They've (tptb) been pushing her even BEFORE she ran for the Senate.
My job is defined. Anyone supporting her must prove to me she is not a black "her heinous." I don't think it's possible, but it should be fun finding out!
"If there is not justice for the people, let there be no peace for the government." Emiliano Zapata
Apparently the DNC has given Markos
their 2020 Primary pick . Evidenced by this straw poll, the only question that remains now is what corrupt strategy the DNC will use to install Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee? Will they use the same electoral fraud they used against Bernie? Or will they tweek it to better ward off another progressive attempt at, you know, respecting the will of the people.
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
and, having done so...
Markos has passed it on to those dopes who shout in unison "yes, we are all individuals!"
I went over there yesterday? day before? because someone mentioned something and saw our old friend, Tom P, touting Harris' "progressive agenda".
Hopefully my computer didn't pick up a virus from that visit.
Well, sh!t.
They co-opted Tom now?
I'm officially depressed.
he believes in incrementalism
we want too much change, too quickly, for him. I believe he thinks if he butters up those people that he can slip in half a comment somewhere. Like maybe that will eventually in 80 years lead to them agreeing to said comment and maybe in 150 years Obamacare will be modified into something a tiny bit better.
Very timid fellow. Not sure what he thinks he has to lose.
He was protective of those daily Bernie diaries he used to do. Then he left for his own place. It was pretty moderate too. I made contact with him once or twice on FB & Twitter, but it was very distant and polite. I am shocked at the one or two avid Bernie supporters still there, biting their tongues, and lord knows hoping for what.
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A lot of Berners have drunk the kook aid
About Russia collusion and every tiny thing about it. This is what I find sad, but that's also why I'm so mad at Bernie for signing on to it. This gave his supporters permission to believe it too. But after watching how Bernie got the primary stolen from him and then to buy that Her did too really stretches reality in my book.
Do you mean Liespar D something instead of Tom P or did Tom create his own site too?
There is now no depth that cannot be reached in the effort to bamboozle Democrats and keep them stupid and needlessly fearful
Love your Freudian slip - "kook aid"
Ain't it the truth, ain't it the truth!
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Ha! “kook” ade
Good one (intentional or otherwise).
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
It was definitely Liepar D who created his own site
The Progressive Wing.
We have some member/visitor/lurker overlap with them, as a direct result of The Edict.
I was an avid participant in his "Bernie News Roundup" (BNR) ... and those of us who were, didn't miss out on this development.
Liepar poured his heart and soul into that daily diary. I no longer agree with his philosophy of change from within, but I do respect the unpaid work he invested, and abuse he endured, on behalf of Bernie 2016.
Tom P, IIRC, also put up with a lot of shit over there. Not sure why he stays, though Shahryar's comment seems apt. Sigh.
And since we're talking about the Ides of March:
Is this the progressive wing site
or something else? I thought BNR meant Bernie news roundup? I think I'm missing something here? Little help please?
I really tried liking the site, but it was just too much of everything Bernie did without a lot of commentary from him. But you're right that he put a lot of work into his diaries and took a lot of shit from kos kids who were hillbots. Probably the same ones who dump in every Tulsi diaries there. Jayzus. People's opinions are just that. Opinions.
Hey. I wonder if Markos will allow Kampala to create her own correct the record type company and troll websites that are critical of her? Stay tuned.
There is now no depth that cannot be reached in the effort to bamboozle Democrats and keep them stupid and needlessly fearful
The Tulsi Hate is off the charts there
I'll confess to going, but only to read the AirForce posts by the pilots and plane museum guys, however you get the sidebar. So I looked at one of the Anti-Tulsi comment sets and was blown away at the vitriol, which I thought was reserved for Bernie at this level. It was shocking it was so bad. Sheeple. Hating and they don't really know what or why. Sad. I quickly left, bleached my eyes, fortunately had protection and after a full virus scan came out clean.
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
I hadn't really paid too much attention to TG
until recently. Given the way she's been covered, I was expecting her to be some sort of outrage-wielding, abrasive, confrontational non-starter of a candidate. Then somebody posted that video of her talking to, I think, Joe Rogan, and it was like, Jesus, she's got the complete American Political Winner package, as far as physical appearance, physical deportment, calm and thoughtful responses to complex questions about complex issues, and so on.
I'm not saying I'm suddenly Run Tulsi Run, I'm just saying I really expected her to be one thing (something not easy to sell to the American public) and then I saw something else entirely. My guess is that in a debate she will carve Harris into hamburger. The tradmed are going to try to represent her as a loony tune, but anybody who actually sees her speaking is going to immediately see that she is exceptionally well-spoken and dignified.
If she had a billion dollars behind her she'd be unstoppable.
Sigh
The Tulsi Joe Rogan vid was great
I agree, I liked her quite a lot in the Rogan vid. I have watched her very closely, a lot, and she seems the real deal as much as any in the game at that level.
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
You're right
BNR did mean "Bernie News Roundup." Then Brock bought Blue Nation Review and started referring to it as BNR. Some wondered whether that was coincidental. Probably - though it was fun to imagine that we Bernie Bros had them so shitting their pants that they had to co-opt the nickname of a daily diary on GOS.
You are right. I have the wrong person.
I believe Tom P came her for a while too, and he left because we pissed him off. I think we were too radical and irreverent to suit him. I could be wrong again.
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Beyond disappointing
To watch the friends who fought alongside us, who saw firsthand what those ratfuckers did to voters and delegates in the primary and the convention, inexplicably embalm themselves inside the 11th ring of hell along with our tormentors while appeasing their mindless minions is beyond my scope of understanding.
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
Some things are beyond understanding
Honestly believe the medias are wired into the response centers of weaker minds. Otherwise, explanations fail.
Listen to your higher mind.
MSDNC loves black Hillary/female Obama. No thanks.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | Bernie would have WON!
did you ever see "A Boy and His Dog"?
there's a powerful robot in the form of a large smiling country bumpkin named "Michael" who keeps people in line. The young hero who has wandered into this society somehow short circuits him (well that's how I remember it) and the man who runs this place says to an assistant "get another Michael from the warehouse...this time make sure the engineering department wipes that smile off his face".
well, similarly, it's "get another Hillary....time time make her black".
the clintonista clan needs to be put away for good
along with the bush, obama, tRump, etc.etc.etc.
Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give the appearance of solidarity to pure wind.
George Orwell
Grrrr. Ain’t gonna happen! What has been seen cannot
be unseen. I’ve seen the man behind the curtain. He doesn’t have the interests of the 99% at heart. Whoever he trots out for us to swoon over will never have my puny vote. Clinton, Harris, I don’t care.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
It's really quite a repeat of the same damn tactics...
...Moulitsas implemented in 2014-2015; right up to, and including, Denise Oliver Velez putting all the bullshit down in a few diaries. In fact, I'll go as far as to say, she almost directly copied some of the content from her now-famous, initial "Hillary" piece, about 5 years ago.
So, they get an "F" for creativity. Same shit, different day. Rinse. Repeat. Truly pathetic.
And, truth be told, so far, Harris has significant problems, in terms of her political history; but, I don't feel nearly as bad about her as I felt about Clinton, around the same time, 5 years ago.
Unfortunately, the upcoming 2020 primary season has California scheduled as one of the "early" (scheduled primary) states. The upside here is that a LOT can happen between now and then.
The overall sentiment from me is that DKos' early bullshit, right now, is a virtual rubber stamp of their "captured" behavior in the last Presidential election cycle. And, upthread, all comments about DKos regarding their real agenda--which is to capitalize on their income opportunities from the Party's status quo via email/mail list sales, and substantial portions of Party donor revenues that make their way, at first, directly through Moulitsas' pockets, so he gets his tithe--are extremely accurate, in this regard.
So, how about a campaign--one the circumvents DKos, entirely--to insure that intended recipients of said campaign funds, as well as all of those truly Progressive candidates that aren't even supported by that neoliberal excuse for a CLOSED TENT, a/k/a Daily Kos, receive ALL the money to which they're supposedly entitled/receiving, bypassing the right-of-Democratic-center donation superhighway known as DKos, altogether?
"Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe." --Thomas Jefferson
Back then it was difficult for me to understand
how that worked:
I am all for it. Circumventing. Bypassing. Let 'em do what they can't help doing - alone. No need to follow or fall in line.
Denise I got. It was just some little word she said and it was not noticed by many as a real mean and disgusting statement: She said Joe's EBs are "Dreck". I would say that was real a "Scheiß"-comment (auf gut Deutsch) by her and showed her true colors and blinders. That was the trigger for me to walk away from there. I actually started reading there in 2004. I found Dailykos because I needed something where at least some people talked about the Iraq war in what seemed in "earnest, critical and fact-based honest terms". I had my son over in Iraq in 2003 and couldn't believe why a war was directed against Iraq. So, I was shocked and awed to see my son in the middle of shock and awe on TV. Took me long to understand that even that anti-Iraq war attitude on dailykos was not consistent.
I know I have the most difficulties to get sarcasm lingo whenever it is used. I feel insecure then and doubt my own inner (silent) "arguments". Today I sometimes can't read an essay to the end, especially when the content is more or less repetitive. I guess it's just being sick and tired of all of it.
I always appreciate clear language, more boring, but easier to understand (for me).
(the truth is never boring, so don't get me wrong)
So, thanks for the way you express yourself.
@mimi Thanks, Mimi! I
Thanks, Mimi! I appreciate the fact that you appreciate my somewhat simplistic approach, herein. But, truth be told, lots of folks here get it, upthread. And, at the end of the day, U.S. politics is almost entirely about power and/or money; and, every once in a blue moon, some lonely, well-meaning soul actually tries to honestly help out their fellow citizens, or otherwise benefit the planet. So, everything boils down quite primitively, by definition. Sadly, there's not too much to "overthink" on the subject of U.S. political news, these days; even though some might think or mislead us otherwise. Just follow the money, etc.
"Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe." --Thomas Jefferson
Harris was NOT a cop! Dammit!
and anyone who says so over there are put in their place very quickly and not very kindly. DoV has come out strong for Harris and you know what happens when you cross Dee.
Every one who says something bad about the women candidates are strongly reprimanded and told to knock off the sexist comments. Except for when they say something about Tulsi. This double standard is very obvious. Why? Because she talked with Trump after the election and she visited Assad to see what was really happening there. Oh no! Can't do that. But it's okay for Nancy and Chuckles to say that they look forward to working with Trump. Yup. Double standards.
There is now no depth that cannot be reached in the effort to bamboozle Democrats and keep them stupid and needlessly fearful
Well come on snoop,
it is misogyny to criticize ANY woman now, especially a political one, right? One of my friends still maintains that HER was the victim of a "lot of misogyny" but as of yet I have heard no real details on just what that misogyny really was except for the FACT that HER was a shitty candidate and no where near "progressive" or whatever we want to call it and that most accusations against HER by said progressives were actually all TRUE. Simply unacceptable now to question female motives while being a Democrat. Sickening and really, talk about sexist?
The funny thing is about this
is that I criticized Her for her policies and her warmongering ways and after being told that I was wrong about her I was accused of being sexist. But now it's okay for them to criticize Tulsi and not be called that. It's the hypocrisy that I can't stand. There have now been 3 diaries there about Tulsi and why she should drop out. The sooner the better.
There is now no depth that cannot be reached in the effort to bamboozle Democrats and keep them stupid and needlessly fearful
Tulsi supporters should definitely capitalize on TOP's fear
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
Which is why I’ve been sending her money
The longer Toto can hold the curtain open...
We may find that we’re all alone
In the dream of the proud.
- Pink Floyd, On the Turning Away
Here's some background regarding her rise to power in CA
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-kamala-harris-san-francisco-2...
She was "mentored" by her boyfriend Willie Brown with a supplementary $100,000 per year salary.
Then she got the AG post and really failed.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/01/kamala-harris-opportunist-core-l...
Her opposition to marijuana reform got her nicknamed Jeff Sessions-in-a-pants suit.
chuck utzman
TULSI 2020
Love how it starts off
This is what brings out DoV's claws. Anyone saying that she let Mnunckin's bank off after receiving a donation will be dawg piled on.
Thanks for the link to the article. I'll bookmark it just in case I need to refer to it.
There is now no depth that cannot be reached in the effort to bamboozle Democrats and keep them stupid and needlessly fearful
There's just too much of her crap on the record for her to
pull this off. Here's another example:
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/01/kamala-harris-...
chuck utzman
TULSI 2020
Dear Gawd. Here we go
Sure. Let's just put anyone in office who isn't Trump. Damn whatever their policies are or who they stand with.
There is now no depth that cannot be reached in the effort to bamboozle Democrats and keep them stupid and needlessly fearful
Lying right off the bat about her history
Here's her declaration email.
Lots of tuff love during her career ehh? She seems to have held banks accountable as well as Obama did.
There is now no depth that cannot be reached in the effort to bamboozle Democrats and keep them stupid and needlessly fearful
Got two words for the Clintonistas
The second one is "you".
You know the first one.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
The Hamptons?
Why not go the Full Macron, and hold it at Versailles?
Sigh
I was thinking the same thing
Maybe if we're lucky, for pure entertainment value, Harris will recruit some of Hillary's tone deaf campaign managers.
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
From your lips ...
Actually, now that I think about it, she won't even need to recruit them.
They've probably already been assigned.
Good one!
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
Oh jeeze! Two freaking YEARS of these
feeders at the public trough and auditioning for a job none of the bastids are qualified for. Not ethically or (for lack of a better word) morally.
She needs to get back to her day job. She’s collecting a check to REPRESENT her ‘constituents’, not campaign for the Oval Office.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
FTLOG, SOMEONE HELP ME.
I can't take it anymore. I have no mouth, and I must scream. My life has been DESTROYED by ever-increasing, never-abating feelings of POWERLESSNESS since 200-andGODDAMN-3!!!
THIS SHIT is...beyondbeyondbeyondbeyond the pale.
FFS, SOMEBODY HELP ME. No snark, no sarcasm, just GIVE ME A RATIONAL REASON NOT TO WORRY ABOUT THIS.
I spent 12 GODDAMNED YEARS struggling, after hearing the outcome of the 2004 sElection took me from genius to worthless in a literal moment, like Anakin/Vader clawing his way up the volcanic slope at the end of Ep. III, to get my degree in what consisted mostly of social studies...all for the entire country to decide it was all WORTHLESS.
I COULD elaborate. I COULD say more that makes that all sound even WORSE.
“Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark....Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists.” ― Ayn Rand
Don't feel bad
I got my degree in History.
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
How is that supposed to help?
I did specifically say 'no snark'.
“Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark....Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists.” ― Ayn Rand
Sorry, didn't see that
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
so, with no snark at all, what exactly is the "THIS"
to which you refer?
this article seems to have blown a lot of people's gaskets around here, even though of course we all knew it was coming.
Sigh
BTW, I'm mainly hanging around in this thread
throwing wisecracks around because I can't bear to drop in to the Venezuelan Coup thread and discover whatever horrors might lurk therein.
Sigh
so how did you feel when Fukushima [EDIT: FukuYAMA]
announced the end of history?
in retrospect, it's up there with Twain's famous, "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated." one wonders, per Churchill, was it perhaps only the end of the beginning? do you ever start to feel like we're living in a Terry Gilliam movie? Some crazy mashup of Brazil, and Twelve Monkeys, and The Fisher King, and The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassis? (With maybe a bit of Munchausen and Time Bandits thrown in just to give a little bit of child-like joy to the proceedings?)
BTW, I also have a history degree. Its primary utility seems to be, it gives me many opportunities to astonish people who have no fucking clue about what has come before.
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Pythonesque is pretty damn close
But instead of the Institute of Silly Walks, we have the Institute of Batshit Crazy Tweets. (You were talking about our government right?)
As for the benefits of having a History degree...I think it would be a lot of fun to parlay people's ignorance into skits, where I would go around town with a microphone and ask people about historical events, and the craziest version gets played out in drag on video.
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
Are you saying it wins you arguments???
Nobody gives a shit what I say when I try to cite my education; nobody believes me. It doesn't matter, there's ALWAYS some way to undermine. Anything works on me, NOTHING I DO works on anyone else. That's the point of me bringing up my education - it contradicts the hivemind on every front, but IT DOESN'T MATTER. I ALWAYS get blindsided, brushed off, and put down.
“Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark....Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists.” ― Ayn Rand
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying
Or what is an appropriate response. I was not trying to make any point in my reply to UntimelyRipp'd. I was just being silly.
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
Sorry to hear you're feeling distressed
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
I don't bother to cite my education.
I just tell people things that nobody's ever bothered to tell them before. Often, just odd little tidbits, like the fact that the Boston Tea Party was in response to a new policy that was going to lower the price of tea in the American colonies. They choose to disbelieve me at their epistemological peril.
Did you know that Canada won the war of 1812? It's true, just ask any Canadian. I have a trophy on my shelf, given to me one Christmas by a thoughtful Canadian friend. It was some sort of shooting sports trophy that he'd acquired in an entire box full of trophies that he bought at an auction. He'd had a new nameplate made for it, which reads, "Battle of Chateauguay, 1813. Second Place." I treasure it.
Sigh
It was the strings on the tea policy that pissed people off
though by that point almost anything was going to piss 'em off - the tensions had been building up for too long. The price was to be lowered BUT the tea tax remained in effect. Parliament thought it was a deal the Colonists couldn't resist - and they were wrong.
As to Canada winning the War of 1812 - true, in a sense. They did repel the invading US'ns forcefully (second or third attempt since 1775, IIRC). But the Brits had the final say, and they just wanted the sideshow to end so they could concentrate on smashing Napoleon - so they wrote up a status-quo peace treaty and called it good. It was only due to the slowness of communications in 1815 that there even was another battle - which, naturally, is the only one most American even know about (New Orleans).
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Funny you should mention Fukushima...
...I panicked. Back then, I was "lurking" on Reddit (because I'd been told that it was the place to go to have one's finger on the zeitgeist), and had come to trust whatever came down the front page - so I saw an article from some Canadian think-tank by some accomplished anti-nuclear activist predicting the worst, and I made one of the most humiliating judgment calls of my life: I sent it to EVERYONE on my mailing list at the time, even people who I wasn't on good terms with.
I've lived my whole life on the periphery of the scientific community, so I never knew, before then, that activists didn't always know what they were talking about since, before then, I'd always seen it aligned with the science. People who knew more about engineering than I do set the record straight, and...well, like I said, that was the day I learned that "blue-team activist =/= reliable source".
“Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark....Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists.” ― Ayn Rand
The really funny thing is that I was talking about
Francis Fukuyama, but I screwed it up. Nice that my mistake brought forth your recollection, though.
Sigh
Psh...
...how could I have forgotten?
“Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark....Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists.” ― Ayn Rand
"High-information"...
...does not equal "high-knowledge".
“Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark....Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists.” ― Ayn Rand
oooo, harlan ellison, nice one.
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I'm not sure I know anymore
Who is abnormal. Them or us?
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
It's him, isn't it?
Sigh
It's definitely Him
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
I'm PROUD to be abnormal
But how do we know who's RIGHT? How do we know who's STUPID? How do we know who's BAD?
It seems like the only surefire way to prove you deserve to win is to be the bigger, better person and...surrender....
The question "how do you win an argument with a moron" now seems to DEMAND an answer.
If reason doesn't work, then what alternative is there but violence?
Why was it "Occupy Wall St.", yet, in the heart of a city that's supposed to be a sterling jewel of deep blue, why has there NEVER been a "Wall St. Massacre"?
“Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark....Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists.” ― Ayn Rand
Ha!
There is now no depth that cannot be reached in the effort to bamboozle Democrats and keep them stupid and needlessly fearful
Good one Snoopy!
I love me some swag! Makes me feel good to exercise my right to consumerism.
If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
~ Rainer Maria Rilke
I think that's what we should call her from now on
Yes hawkfish it's going to be a long two years. I like to imagine all the money that's blown on elections going to a good cause instead. Billions just to put someone into the presidency when the results are pretty well rigged in the first place. I'm still wondering why they let the election results stand. Did you know that there were people who wanted the electors to vote for someone besides Trump? Colin Powell came in 3rd place even though he didn't run.
There is now no depth that cannot be reached in the effort to bamboozle Democrats and keep them stupid and needlessly fearful
“Merchandise for sale”??
Damn I’m glad I wasn’t drinking liquids when I read that one!
Somebody give that Pete guy a late night slot. At least then maybe Liberal Moonbat can survive the next few years.
We may find that we’re all alone
In the dream of the proud.
- Pink Floyd, On the Turning Away
Kamakamakama chameleon?
final answer for all the dough: Kamakamakamakamala Chameleon
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
Nate Silver tweeted the poll
Democratic Activists my tush!
I had fun!
There is now no depth that cannot be reached in the effort to bamboozle Democrats and keep them stupid and needlessly fearful
"high-information Democratic activists?"
High-confirmation Democratic automatons maybe. But crediting them with reliable information or critical thinking skills is a monstrous stretch.
So much for poblano's credibility.