Bernie’s Amazing Anti-war Address

Bernie is often criticized as being weak on foreign policy. When is the last time you heard a politician say anything this strongly anti war ?

Jimmy Dore gives Bernie major props.

I am on my phone, and I can’t get an embed code. I will embed this with my laptop later when morning comes.‬.

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Jimmy gave him two three gold stars but then he stopped I don't why. I guess it is still "amazing" to hear Bernie speak truth to power? If his words could effing change anything they would've by now, that's what I think. Too bad he campaigned and raised funds for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, look at the results of those actions too, don't just listen to the speeches. Thanks.

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#ProgExit$
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anti-war, anti-Israel enough. At least the words are now coming out of his mouth. I don't think Bernie is a liar like Obama and Hillary. If he says something, he usually sticks to it even if he is an army of one that can't do shit about it.

I agree Bernie supporting the Dems, Obama, and the Clintons is disappointing. I guess he's still a fan of the lesser of evils when it comes to voting and supporting political candidates.

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@eyo Bernie tells the truth, but then, I imagine, he gets a phone call or has a significant in-person conversation about what the consequences will be if he even continues to do so, much less follows his thoughts to their logical conclusions.

I believe he believes in the moral principles in his speeches, but that does not imply that he won't support the people who have trashed those moral principles for the last fifty years. He'll even get us closer to WWIII by spreading the Russiagate nonsense. Why? Because being consistently honest and ethical would be horrendously costly. Too costly.

When John Brennan and Dick Cheney are powerful figures in your politics such stands get costly.

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Of an anti-war message before they shorten his leash.

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@eyo It's amazing to hear anybody tell the historical truth these days, and I admit, listening to him is refreshing.

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To me the truly shocking part of Bernie’s speech is the revelation that the USA is CURRENTLY at war in 76 countries.

I would not have guessed that.

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How many countries are there on the planet?

195 countries
There are 195 countries in the world today. This total comprises 193 countries that are member states of the United Nations and 2 countries that are non-member observer states: the Holy See and the State of Palestine.

We are fighting with or in almost half the freaking planet.

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@dkmich I guess Bernie was quoting from this Costs of War Project article, but I'm not sure.
Summary of Findings

Some of the Costs of War Project’s main findings include:
...

  • The US military is conducting counterterror activities in 76 countries, vastly expanding the counterror war across the globe.

I downloaded the PDF from their link: * Source: The UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) (2015)
and there is no list of 76 countries "we are at war with" that is War of Terror propaganda if you ask me. It's a bad choice of words in my view, but it resonates with the popular crowd so go on. Same as it ever was.

What is he suggesting be done about it? Vote more? I'd rather they set a better example myself (like being sand in the gears of a Lockheed F-35 production line or some other non-violent direct action), those millionaires sitting on that panel in D.C.. "And there's Kamala Harris" whoop-de-do another moneybags doing nothing but talk talk talk. As the world burns.

I'm not trying to fight about it, just having a severely different opinion that's all. heh

Peace

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@eyo
and what you want to call "war" vs "military action" vs "limited strikes"... But suffice to say Even Half That Number Is Outrageous and Alarming.

Link

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-map-shows-the-alarming-spread-of...

No less stunning are the number of countries Washington’s war on terror has touched in some fashion. Once, of course, there was only one (or, if you want to include the United States, two). Now, the Costs of War Project identifies no less than 76 countries, 39% of those on the planet, as involved in that global conflict. That means places like Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, and Libya where U.S. drone or other air strikes are the norm and U.S. ground troops (often Special Operations forces) have been either directly or indirectly engaged in combat.

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@Citizen Of Earth thanks, and oops I forgot Jimmy is just a jagoff comedian, had a reaction to the way he presented that information, what was the purpose? To inform? To have "the left" stop criticizing Bernie or what? Gold stars? Is that what the debate is about: Bernie good, war bad? sheesh I have been following anti-war discourse all my life, never seen anything like this. It's okay when it's comedy.

At least it got me to review the two years old report, totally agree that the military industry is horrendous. Sick of hearing about it, want direct action, no more words. Sorry I lost my sense of humor.

Peace

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@eyo

when is the last time CNN or any other teevee news outlets called out our insane war posture? Never is probably the answer. Awareness is Step One. And yes, it's dumbfounding that we are still on Step One.

I agree with Bernie's answer. Make the congress start voting again to authorize war. By using the AUMF no one is held accountable.

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@Citizen Of Earth the AUMF for the war OF terror was an authorization for war, for all practical purposes. So was the Iraq AUMF. I remember people wanting to hold Hillary Clinton accountable for her vote for the Iraq war AUMF, as well as many others. I'm not sure why an official declaration of war, which they really can't do with the war OF terror because there is no country to declare war against, would make them anymore accountable than with the AUMFs.
Far as I'm concerned, Congress did authorize what happened in Iraq and what has and is still happening in the war OF terror. Congress continues to authorize the war OF terror thru the annual approval of the NDAA and the national budget.

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@Big Al The AUMF enables them to automatically justify as many wars as they like, forever. They don't have to have a debate about each one. All they have to do is make some vague assertion that there is some connection--no matter how tenuous--that the current people they want to kill have something to do with the people who attacked us on 9/11. That's one reason there's no anti-war movement: the moment of debating whether or not to enter a war no longer exists.

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@eyo

the list of locations where our CIA is actively involved in "intelligence gathering."

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@Fishtroller 02 How many wars is the US really fighting?

SOCOM (Special Operations Command) will not name the 135 countries in which America’s most elite forces were deployed this year, let alone disclose the nature of those operations.

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@Fishtroller 02 Any time you try to research this stuff you wander into the fetish of secret-keeping. There was a recent headline about a US Senator who tried to visit an ICE facility -- and they tried to arrest him.

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@eyo I think that if we're sending people to these places to assassinate, kidnap and torture people in an effort to manipulate local politics and economics, that's "war" enough for me.

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Trillions On Illegal, Immoral Wars.

Depending on how you count the number of paying taxpayers, that around $200,000 debt to each of us. Now how will you be paying for that? -- cash or gold bullion?

How long can this continue? Not much longer IMHO. And when the Shit Hits The Fan, we'll all be wall papering our homes with worthless $100 bills.

PS. 2018 US Debt = $21.48 trillion. So Donnie The Douchebag is continuing the trend.

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to oversee and scrutinize the activities of the CIA and other intelligence agencies (how many do we have now?). We need another Church committee because if we think that the CIA is not out of control and running the government, we are sorely kidding ourselves.

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Remember what happens when you go against the grain.
Think JFK. RFK. MLK. Leo Ryan.
Even the death of JFK Jr. is suspect.
If Burnie is going to run in 2020 he had better get his loved ones moved to China or someplace safe.
Just sayin'

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@earthling1

If somehow he wrests control of any lever of power and tries to end the wars, bet he will be found dead of "natural causes". Afterall, why not with someone his age. He'll have to hire taster.

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@earthling1 Remember that Cheney threatened Wellstone and his family if he stayed the course against war in the ME. Please Bernie stay out of private planes.

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I can't believe in a savior. Good he's saying the right thing. Now act like I'm from Missouri and fucking show me.

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If it wasn’t for Jimmy Dore, we wouldn't be hearing it now. Just before this video, he interviewed Nellie McKay who was complaining that Bernie wasn't good enough. Since I believe in voting, I would support Bernie because who else regardless of party would be any better?

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Nellie McKay travels around the country knocking on doors in support for Bernie's candidacy, is proverbially smacked in the face along with the rest of us during that insult of a primary and the DNC Convention, and now somehow feels a bit cynical about the politics that are compelling Bernie's actions.

The nerve.

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I think complaining can be justified. Damn right righteous. It can also be a waste of time and even unrealistic.

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1. Nellie McKay "Complaining" about a Politician.

Remind me again what we do here everyday?

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@dkmich Huh. I thought zoe was snarking.

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@zoebear
isn't it zoe? Pretty sure it is.

In fact we were both in awe of McKay upon first seeing this a few days ago somewhere here. Glad this keeps popping up though. I'm completely smitten with her after this lengthy appearance with Jimmy Dore and have been sending it to friends.

Thinking her segment on TJDS deserves more profile. Very powerful to see a successful mainstream musician/performer speak so freely, cogently, incisively and freely about the truth, calling out the any transgressions of the Democratic party. Her anecdotes about canvassig for Bernie are really powerful too, and she recalls lots of details about the whole fraudulent debacle of the 2106 primary.

Just as I was considering possibly putting something together I discovered yet another fuckaround from YouTube. Seems these bastards now have removed the translation option from their videos. Which really sucks. Frequently, I'll turn it on to pick out some important quotes for a piece, and it makes life so much easier. Now they've gone and removed that feature, why?

Guess it may be time to call @eyo again to come to the rescue again...heh.

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Specifically on the characterization dkmich made that Nellie McKay was "complaining" about Bernie. I personally didn't see Nellie McKay's impassioned words as a "waste of time".

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@Mark from Queens cheers brother, I transcribed the first half of the Only Pragmatic Way is Out vid, she is great I love her. Thanks.
Edited: to spell her name correctly. doh

[40s introduction]
Welcome Nellie McKay

Jimmy Dore: Now the first album you did was called Get Away From Me, that's what it was called. What a hilarious name, how did you come up with the name for Get Away From Me, are you bored with that question already?

Nellie McKay: No not a bit. Well there were a lot of albums that came out that year that seemed very friendly. It wasn't just Nora Jones Come Away With Me, there was Jane Monheit Come Dream With Me, Triumph of the Insult Comic Dog had Come Poop With Me, Sinatra had had Come Dance With Me, Ashanti had Come Wit' Me, and Get Away From Me wasn't just a riff on that it was also already... there was a surveillance state you know, there was the feeling of the government encroaching on to our lives and it's only grown since then so, good title.

J: Wow, look at you. Talking to a musician and she mentions the surveillance state in her first answer. God bless you.

N: I think about it all the time.

J: Do you really?

N: Well you can't take your cellphone anywhere. I mean part of the reason of having a cellphone is safety, I don't want the government to know everywhere I go.

J: Well they do.

N: Yeah. If you have it with you. No, yeah a lot of times I'm not in touch, it hurts my work, but I just don't want to be tracked.

J: Yeah? You turn it off?

N: Yeah. Well I don't even take it, because now I have the smarty pants one, and so you can't... it will still track you even if you turn it off so I just leave it at home.

J: You have to take the battery out for it to not track you.

N: Right. So I just pretend I have a gun in my pocket.

[Jimmy reads quotes from reviewers]

J: Here's your latest album it's called Nellie McKay Sister Orchid. So now this is you doing some standards from the 30s and 40s, correct?

N: That's right, yeah.

J: And so how did you come up with the idea, and how did you come up with the name?

N: Well I think partly it extends in to the 50s, I believe Small Day Tomorrow was written by Fran Landesman and the late Bob Dorough, I believe that was in the 50s, and so I think there's a film noir feel to the album, which partly came out of the first cold war and the first wave of McCarthyism, and now we are in a similar space which I think a lot of people don't know it.

I mean my mother grew up, you know, her dad built a fallout shelter and my nanna was happy because that was a day off from him beating her, he was so worn out from building the fallout shelter.

So now though, you know a whole group of kids grew up with that trauma of perpetually being afraid of the bomb, and now people seem fairly oblivious to it, they're actively encouraging this enmity towards Russia, it's more dangerous then the first one. You have the western front, you have the situation in Syria, and then you have Asia, with the pivot to Asia where it's been filled with U.S. military activity. So I think it's about time that we brought back more film noir, and that kind of "Hey if the end is near, let's just stay out all night".

J: So do you see us having, I mean people who think like us, who recognize the danger of this current climate that we're living in, when do we get our "Good night and good luck"? You know, when does our hero come along to turn the establishment, or most of the people in mainstream America, to understanding this is the new McCarthyism? Instead of what they're thinking, which is this is a good thing to get Trump.

N: Right, well only a genuine populist left can defeat the right, and that has been effectively crushed you know. So a friend of mine who's worked in DC a long time, he said even Bernie is a quick fix. I mean it basically comes down to communities you know, and local organizing.

J: So you think, what I have said previously and also I have found out, which is what Bernie said in the early 90s, I have a video of him, is that there needs to be a progressive movement outside the Democratic party.

N: Of course! It's an abusive relationship, the only pragmatic way is out.

J: So when you say it's an abusive relationship, between progressives and the Democratic party? Is that what you mean?

N: Yeah.

J: And how so?

N: Well they're bought and paid for, you know? And I went to thirteen states for Bernie. When I started, I thought I was going to vote for Clinton at the end, I'm sure you didn't, but I didn't know anything. I was pretty out to lunch, as you said, you know, Obama put the left to sleep and I didn't know so many things. I wasn't properly paying attention, and I had always believed in my life, that in the lesser of two evils perhaps some progress could be made, and that isn't true, when you take a comprehensive view.

J: Yes, in fact we go backwards every time. So every time you vote lesser of two evils, in my lifetime we've gone backwards. So that's very astute of you.

N: Right, right. There's an article on Black Agenda Report called how Obama's the most effective evil, and that's a pretty good article.

J: Oh I haven't seen that I'd like to read that. Well I just found out two days ago that Barack Obama dropped more bombs than George Bush did.

N: Wow, yeah well I know he launched ten times more drone strikes, and one of the primary missiles of the drone program is the hellfire missile, which is a thermobaric weapon, which sucks the air out of its victims lungs, collapsing the internal organs. And when you keep in mind that when they did a study of drone strikes that they found nearly, that 90% of those killed are civilians... when you actually reckon what the government does, you know...

But for years I didn't just vote Democratic, I campaigned for them and I sent them money, you know. I remember in high school - I went to a largely Republican high school - making up rap songs about Bill Clinton, and all the attendant rhymes, I can still remember my list of rhymes. I mean I just thought the Democrats are the better guys, at least.

J: Yes, I was right there with you until I read that book Listen Liberal by Thomas Frank. So that was what made me like I am.

N: Oh I must read that. Yeah, oh good I'll check that out, I mean of course there's Death of the Liberal Class...

J: Right, sure I mean if you read that too, Chris Hedges. The striking failure of the Democratic party, it's not a failure by the way, it's not a flaw it's a design. So they're designed to suppress progress, progressivism, and they're there to keep the status quo. And the idea, do you agree with that, with the theory that the Democratic party would rather lose to a Republican than win with a progressive?

N: Oh, of course! Well I had a friend you know, I called all my celebrity "friends" you know, who I don't... I'm always a little scared of so, this is the one time I called this friend and I had had their number, and I said "Please can you endorse Bernie", and they said ""No, I'm going to wait until the big one", and I thought but this is the big one, you know because I knew by then... but people don't see the vast continuity between administrations.

I mean, and with identity politics, which definitely they affect your life, but it's become completely clouded. I mean I kind of think... what are those things? Are they Fallopian tubes or a uterus, the thing that has two parts? It's almost like a pair of glasses, and you can't see anything past them anymore, and I imagine it's the same for people who are not white, who are not Christian, who are not straight, that it becomes all... it just becomes this perpetual navel gazing, and you don't realize that say, Obama invested, or started a program that would invest one trillion in more usable nukes over thirty years. I mean it's a ... you know, that affects you, you know. You don't have control over your body if it's going to be blown to bits.

J: Right, exactly. Yeah people don't know... he didn't launch a trillion dollar investment in education over thirty years, he didn't launch a trillion dollar investment in prenatal care or... he invested a trillion dollars in nuclear bombs, usable nuclear bombs.

N: Right, right. Prompting one general to say, "Smaller means they're more thinkable.".

J: Yes, yeah. And everyone says Trump's the crazy guy, which he seems to be, but if they really believed that he was, it's weird that they keep voting to give him more surveillance power, and more bombs. That's kind of a contradiction, right?

N: You would think. You would think, but I canvassed so many neighborhoods for Bernie and I met people in Detroit who were voting against NAFTA, and that was... I canvassed a lot of primarily Black neighborhoods because this country is still very segregated, and aside from Detroit where it was mostly... you know, Trump was the "fuck you" vote, can I say that?
J: Yeah.
N: Yeah, that he was the "fuck you" vote, pretty much the consensus I would get from Harlem to Compton to parts of South Carolina was that "Trump is crazy, and so is this world." You know, he takes the mask off, he's not a lie anymore.

Zora Neale Hurston has a quote, something to the effect of "I would rather know the truth, then continue to climb on the wagon of wishful illusions.", I think that all the time. I mean, that's the Democratic party, it's just... you know, and once you see the lie it's so obscene.

You were at the convention, I was at the convention, it was a funeral pyre. I mean it was just... there are songs I sing and I'm still looking at that stage now, just wishing, you know, if the ukulele was... had the ability to... I never want to hurt anybody I just want to make them go away. But you know, it's just, you see it for what it is, and the lie of it is too much to bear.

J: It is too much to bear, and people... you know it was really disheartening to see the Democratic party, who I supported my whole life, kick a black woman off the stage, Nina Turner, and replace her with a billionaire who instituted Stop & Frisk in New York. That guy's welcome on stage, but Nina Turner... it was just... and... so, do you feel let down by Bernie?

N: Oh, well I know so many people who invested so much, I mean beyond mere money there were millions of people who invested hundreds of millions of dollars in a primary that was decided from the beginning.

But I also know people who gave so much more of themselves beyond that, I mean a friend of mine who was the first woman in the construction workers union in Minnesota, in the house painter's union, she went to five states for Bernie. She went in to debt, she really believed he had a chance, she was here in southern California.

A friend of mine who was in the Vietnam war, he's a veteran, he campaigned for a year. We were everywhere, we drove around Indiana looking for the cheapest smokes, you know he's got one pair overalls, he was out working seventeen hour days along with the college kids, he's got a bad leg. But he believed, and he wanted this so badly, you're going to take a year of his life? And then not only demand that he vote for the Democrats, but shame and blame and smear and attack him for not doing that? He sold his truck to go on the road for Bernie, is the DNC going to buy him his truck back? I don't think so, no.

J: No. No, they don't even want him to vote, they don't even want to let him be voting in the primary.

N: And you said it, they don't just not fear us, they don't just ignore us, they actively mock and malign us.

J: And work against us, right? So what's happening right now in all the Democratic primaries across the country, is they are cheating the progressives, right? We've seen it, Nancy Pelosi cheated, they cheated in Houston, they're cheating everywhere, and this isn't new. The undercover tape from Colorado with Steny Hoyer that the Intercept published right? Showed you that he says "a decision has been made" before the people get to vote! The party has made a decision, and it doesn't involve you.

So, I feel dumbfounded that Bernie, who spent his whole life as an Independent, then sheep dogs people in to that party that is actively working against him, what do you say to that?

N: At this point... I mean Chris Hedges said he would consider voting for Bernie if he was an Independent, but to go through that primary again, I can't do it again. and I know other people, I don't want to put my friends through this. I mean the dearest people, none of whom had money you know, who were out there knocking doors, teachers here in southern California, my friend in Iowa, you know they take you in. My friends in South Carolina they put up not only me, but my rambunctious dog. My friends in South Carolina left a copy of Lies My Teacher Told Me on the bedside table, as if we had any time. You know people are sleep deprived in a primary, they don't have time for this.

And it was the most diverse group of people I'd ever worked with in my life and I grew up in Queens, so you know... I mean it was just... and the way the corporate media is arranged, and the viciousness of it, and the viciousness of the smears, he can't go through that party again.

J: He is, he's gonna..

I'll post the other half when I finish. It is taking a long time, but it is worth it for the word gems, like, "I mean it basically comes down to communities you know, and local organizing." heh

Right on Sister Orchid, right on.
Peace

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How cool are you!
That was really great to see on the page. I enjoyed it again and it reinforced some of the great stuff she was saying.

This was the first thing I saw coming on today. Sorry I haven’t had a chance to thank you sooner. Thanks again, my kick-ass Cali sister.

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@Mark from Queens thanks, here is the other half. I can't see any more transcription or spelling mistakes, but that doesn't mean there isn't any. They talk funny. lol

Jimmy Dore: He is, he's gonna, and you know speaking of the media, it was such a... the Bernie campaign revealed the corruption inside the corporate "lefty" media, amazingly, and then Wikileaks revealed the rest of it, with Hillary Clinton had the Pied Piper strategy, which then their minions in the lefty press pushed. Which is just mind blowing that they would do that. Did you feel the same way, like it really... like to watch MSNBC cover Bernie, or not cover him, and in favor of an empty podium for Trump, that's not hyperbole they literally did that. Did it, was it as distasteful for you as it was for me?

Nellie McKay: Oh it was horrific, I remember just bawling, I mean just the emotion of that campaign. We were in Canton Ohio, and later I learned how politically, how much political corruption is in Ohio, it's similar to Nevada I think, in a way. It's one of the most... where if you follow the money in that state, you know. And I was just... what do you call it? Projectile tears, you know? It's just aah! because we had just had Michigan, and that was such...

J: A huge.

N: And flying through the night getting the last people, trying to avoid the people with Leprechauns on their doors, 'cause they were always a little mean to you for some reason. I'm sure it's not all people, but in Detroit for some reason, you wanted to avoid the Leprechauns, especially the tinsel-y Leprechauns.

But we were flying, trying to get the last people out to the polls at 8pm, we were in this beautiful campaign space with artwork, and again it was such a group of people from all walks of life you know, and when he won it was so... I was just flying, you know? And then when... you know, to continue on... and after that the smears got ramped up.

J: Yeah of course, because he was a threat, because he won something. And well, first of all, is it okay you keep talking about this stuff?

N: Oh no, I love it, I love it. I'm not saying... there are things you keep touching on, oh well I mean for instance in the DNC lawsuit, when the lawyers for the Democrats said something to the effect of, "We have the right to pick candidates in smoke filled back rooms if we wish to", I mean...

J: Right. So they don't... and they haven't changed, by the way. They had that Reform Committee and they didn't reform anything, and... have you followed that at all? The Reform Committee?

N: I mean a little bit, but I um...

J: They still have super delegates.

N: I know. I know. I know.

J: That's amazing, can you imagine? That's like something you know, you would think Russia would do, like they would rig their... "Oh, we have super delegates, their vote is worth ten thousand more than you, it's important that they.... they know better, Jimmy."

N: Yeah.

J: So that's what we do here and everybody's like, "Yep, sounds good!" You know... to lose an election to a political novice, and then blame another country, is what the Democrats are doing. And now they're suing, instead of offering a program to help people, they're going to file a lawsuit. What the? I couldn't be more let down.

N: But... oh against Wikileaks, that's the lawsuit you're talking about. Yeah, no, I know. I know, I know, I was afraid I thought that was something I've missed. No, of course. Of course.

J: Yeah, they're suing the Wikileaks for doing journalism. Did you see The Post, the movie The Post?

N: I didn't. I didn't want to.

J: Why didn't you want to see it?

N: Because... I mean at this point... the idea that Hollywood, I mean... they've turned their back. You know in Good Fellas when Paulie turns his back?

J: Yeah, I gotta give you... "Here's three grand, now I gotta turn my back on you."

N: That's right, he says "This is it for a lifetime of hard work", this is Henry. That's what happened you know? The working class got what? A certificate of appreciation, you know. And the coasts turned their back, the professional class, and you know now they blame them. I mean the... I don't know how I'm going to do my show tonight, because who buys tickets, you know? But it's just.... there's no future there. You know, we weren't just fighting for a future to believe in, we were fighting for a future at all.

J: Right, I know.

N: With this level of corruption... look at one of the existential threats is climate change. The number one driver of climate change is animal agriculture. It's not just because it contributes more greenhouse gas then all global transportation combined, it's because it's the number one driver of deforestation, and the... what do you call it, the poisoning of the oceans. So you're eliminating the biomass that absorbs carbon, so all that's getting pumped in to the atmosphere and there's nothing to absorb it.

If you don't take money out of politics, both parties are bought and paid for, you're not going to stop the subsidizing of the meat and dairy industries. You're not going to stop the wholesale corporate takeover of the levers of power in this country, and you're not going to incentivize a plant based diet or reforestation. So, you know, do you want a planet to live on? 'Cause you have to get out of the system.

J: So that's what I keep telling people, and when people were shaming me to vote for a corporatist war monger who promised to export fracking around the world, and had a public position and a private position, and she let billionaires know that but not the rest of us, I just couldn't... and people shamed me for not being able to participate in that anymore. And I said that, you know, no matter who wins this election, meaning Trump or Hillary, I'm going to have to fight both parties for a living wage, I'm going to have to fight both parties on climate change, I'm going to have to fight both parties on ending these wars, I'm going to have to fight both parties on free college, Medicare for all. The fight doesn't end, the fight starts.

N: Oh no, because of the crime bill of the 90s you have 250,000 to 500,000 people who are now sitting in cages, that are mentally ill. Half of those were put there on non-violent drug crimes. You know, and there was a big push to have Obama pardon, at the very least non-violent drug offenders, didn't happen.

J: He wouldn't even reschedule marijuana.

N: I know! I know, I know. My friend, you know I was saying, "Why couldn't he just do that?" with the pardons at the end, "why couldn't he just do that, last thing before leaving?". He said, "Why should he work at being a hero when everyone gives it to him for free?"

J: Yes. I mean he left office pushing the TPP. And they wonder why nobody would vote for Hillary in Michigan or Milwaukee. That's mind blowing, right?

N: I know, and the TPP would have established a corporate tribunal that would have taken to task any piece of legislation that affected their bottom line.

J: Right, so it takes away sovereignty from United States citizens, and it gives it to an unelected corporate body, and I think people caught on to that, which is why Trump actually repealed it, but he's going to try to pass something similar to it.

N: Oh, it's different roots of the same scam, yeah. I mean it's profoundly undemocratic. It's profoundly undemocratic to say that you have to vote one way, it's crazy. It is a way of suppressing free speech. One way of expressing yourself is through your vote, you have one vote, you're one person, you have the right to run for office if you wish, you have the right to campaign for who you wish, and that is sacred, and don't let anyone take that away from you.

J: No, they will... it's not sacred to everybody else. Everybody else is like "you owe your vote to the Democratic party", and I'm like you know what Nina Turner says, "Any blue just won't do", and I don't owe my vote to anybody. What a politician is supposed to do, if they don't have the votes necessary to win a race, they're supposed to go campaign and get those votes, and if you're not in the business of getting votes, maybe electoral politics isn't for you. And Hillary Clinton did not go to Wisconsin and Michigan, and she lost those states. I mean she lost the goddamned state to Bernie to begin with, what did that tell her? Nothing, apparently. So where do you see this ending up? So how are you going to... how are you navigating politics these days?

N: You know, my same friend from D.C. said "I know what's going to happen with Kucinich", and I put out, we put out a thing for Kucinich but the inevitable happened, you know?

J: That he got smeared, he got smeared. Huffington Post, oh "Dennis Kucinich ties to the butcher Assad", did you see that? It was crazy, the smears they did against him.

N: Right, right, 'cause war isn't butchering.

J: Right, it's like oh... I talk about in my act, ISIS will cut your head off with a knife, they're barbarians. Why don't they blow your head off with a nice Christian bomb?

N: Right, right I know. Chris Hedges said that more people have been decapitated by our drones and missiles and bombs, then ISIS has ever done. And yeah, with Wisconsin, I was in Wisconsin after Clinton, she left before we had finished knocking on doors in Eau Claire. So, not to, you know (huffs and polishes nails on collar) too much, but I mean, come on. You know... people, also they will say Russia! Russia!, is this running our government. They have no problem with multinational corporations running our government.

J: Right, the people who are really influencing our government is you know, Goldman Sachs, Exxon, Eli Lily, Raytheon, those are the people and everyone knows it, right? We know we live in an oligarchy, people... even Hillary Clinton supporters like Paul Krugman admits, yes we live in an oligarchy. And they don't go "so we have to get in the streets and change this tomorrow", they just go "Well, that' s it, we live in an oligarchy and so that's that. Now let's vote for the lesser of two evil and put on a pussy hat and deregulate Wall Street".

N: Right, yeah. It's an oligarchy they can live with, you know they're comfortable enough. Trump brings it way too much to the fore, Glenn Greenwald said Trump makes this country... it's visible what it does, he takes the mask off. Much as Gina Haspel has done with what the CIA does, much as Netanyahu has done with what Israel does. You know, it's not a friendly face, or a comforting face.

J: Yes, he... you know like people say "You really don't think there's consequences to Trump being president, now Jeff Sessions is a racist who is the head of the justice department?", and I'm like guess what? We have a racist justice system in the United States, do you know how blacks are over represented in our prison population, and nobody cares about that?

So it's apt that we have a racist at the head of our criminal justice system, because now we all know what it is. Now we can all get together and fight against this racist criminal justice system, instead of having a pretty boy like Eric Holder have his face on it, a black guys face who seems like he gives a shit, which he doesn't. If he's the head of the justice department you think, okay well they got it, everything's handled, even though what they're doing is racist. He's enabling a racist system. They didn't do anything, did they? Did you see anything that the Barack Obama administration did to lower our prison population?

N: Well, there's a great documentary called Do Not Resist, I don't know if you've seen it but it's all about the militarization of the police, and there's Eric Holder you know, at these meetings when they're talking about sending... what are they called, something cats, emraps?

J: MRAPs, which are like tanks.

N: Yeah, MRAPs to little sleepy towns of like 4,000.

J: Like Ferguson.

N: Yeah, which of course were used in places like Ferguson, yes.

J: So going back to that point it's like, in a sense Trump is the shock that is supposed to wake us up to the horrible stuff that our government's been doing all along, and you see how the Democrats go along with Trump, the worst of him.

They just voted to deregulate Wall Street again, that's the Democrats doing that. They just voted to increase our war budget by 80 billion dollars a year, no discussion, no town hall meetings, no OpEds, nobody ringing their hands, no contentious debates with Ted Cruz and Bernie, on with Anderson, nothing! They just did it like that. That 80 billion dollars, they said Bernie was crazy thinking he could spend that on education, "What are you nuts? We have to spend that on bombs that nobody wants"!

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Progressive On Dems - "Only Pragmatic Way Is Out" w/Nellie McKay
Published on Jun 5, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C9NK6CXoYQ

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It's up to us, the people. What Sanders has done, and continues to do, is to talk about the issues that corrupt politicians and the corporate media refuse to address. He's not a savior but he is surely a saint.

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@Azazello

After Mahatma Gandhi was assassinated in 1948, George Orwell wrote a remarkable essay about him.

What Orwell says about Gandhi might well be true of Bernie: that he is no saint but as a politician, he is a hell of a lot better than anyone else in this country. That's good enough for millions of Bernie's followers, including many on this blog.

Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent, but the tests that have to be applied to them are not, of course, the same in all cases...

I believe that even Gandhi's worst enemies would admit that he was an interesting and unusual man who enriched the world simply by being alive... Many people genuinely do not wish to be saints, and it is probable that some who achieve or aspire to sainthood have never felt much temptation to be human beings...

One may feel, as I do, a sort of aesthetic distaste for Gandhi, one may reject the claims of sainthood made on his behalf (he never made any such claim himself, by the way), one may also reject sainthood as an ideal and therefore feel that Gandhi’s basic aims were anti-human and reactionary: but regarded simply as a politician, and compared with the other leading political figures of our time, how clean a smell he has managed to leave behind!

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he may be the best of the good that we've got.

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@JekyllnHyde I was with him up until "Gandhi's basic aims were anti-human and reactionary."

I'd need to go to the actual essay and find out if he went into specifics.

"Anti-human" is a pretty strong thing to say.

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"World is a multi-dimensional reality. At lower levels, it is full with unconsciousness and competitiveness. At higher level, it is full of beauty, bliss and divinity. Focus on higher dimensions"
~Amit Ray

I thought an excellent and courageous statement by Bernie. Now that he is well known, it is harder to ignore and it might lead to some long overdue response by the legislature branch to address their responsibility on war

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I read recently about the super bugs (bacteria evolving faster than drugs and few options left), super storms and more fallout from climate change.. and little legislative response

Police state beating this week in Mesa AZ. Are cops accountable to the public? How about legislators, when there is a 95% chance that an incumbent can win, continue to spend time with big donors and get ready for the real money after congress.

the earth is in the balance

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I looked up this public intellectual for the first time yesterday and found this in the NY Times Magazine from 2007

I’ve learned that good judgment in politics looks different from good judgment in intellectual life. Among intellectuals, judgment is about generalizing and interpreting particular facts as instances of some big idea. In politics, everything is what it is and not another thing. Specifics matter more than generalities. Theory gets in the way.

excellent quotation from Issiah Berlin in paragraph below about the understanding needed for good politics. I would bold it, but you can get the idea.

The attribute that underpins good judgment in politicians is a sense of reality. “What is called wisdom in statesmen,” Berlin wrote, referring to figures like Roosevelt and Churchill, “is understanding rather than knowledge — some kind of acquaintance with relevant facts of such a kind that it enables those who have it to tell what fits with what; what can be done in given circumstances and what cannot, what means will work in what situations and how far, without necessarily being able to explain how they know this or even what they know.” Politicians cannot afford to cocoon themselves in the inner world of their own imaginings. They must not confuse the world as it is with the world as they wish it to be. They must see Iraq — or anywhere else — as it is.

A sense of reality is not just a sense of the world as it is, but as it might be. Like great artists, great politicians see possibilities others cannot and then seek to turn them into realities. To bring the new into being, a politician needs a sense of timing, of when to leap and when to remain still. Bismarck famously remarked that political judgment was the ability to hear, before anyone else, the distant hoofbeats of the horse of history.

Knowing the difference between a good and a bad compromise is more important in politics than holding onto pure principle at any price. A good compromise restores the peace and enables both parties to go about their business with some element of their vital interest satisfied. A bad one surrenders the public interest to compulsion or force.

An excellent article. MICHAEL IGNATIEFF is a Canadian who has won many awards, a moral philosopher among other things, and in the last couple of years the president / provost of Central European University in Hungary which is fighting for free speech under a right wing government.

Politics is complicated and important. He rand for premier of Canada and his party got trounced so he dropped out of politics.

Here is NY Times article

Getting Iraq Wrong

He just published a work that ordinary virtues are more important than ethical theories. They deal with the concrete.

HISTORIAN AND POLITICAL PHILOSOPHER MICHAEL IGNATIEFF WINS THE EIGHTH ANNUAL ZÓCALO BOOK PRIZE The Ordinary Virtues Examines How Trust, Honesty, and Respect Can Glue a Fractured World Back Together

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