The Dose 3-13-22
I've never asked others to think as I do. I present the evidence I've used to reach my conclusions and let others come to their own. When others insist I'm wrong, I've bent over backwards to say "look let's just agree we disagree"...but even that message fails with some. The so called group think at the dose is because for the last year or two many of us have used a variety of sources to come to similar conclusions. They have generally proven to be correct. We now understand the vaccines have had many more adverse events than we were allowed to know. That SARS-CoV-2 likely originated in a lab. And finally my pet peeve, early treatments work. There is still disagreement about those treatments here among a few. The confusion stems (IMO) from the propaganda power of big pharma.
Phil Harper, Documentary producer and author of The Digger substack joined Dr. Pierre Kory to discuss the outcome of Andrew Hill's paper on ivermectin. Who and/or what influenced Andrew to change the conclusion of his paper and why? Phil has been 'digging' into this issue looking to find answers. Watch the webinar to find out.
Phil also spoke with Pierre about his experience treating patients during the pandemic, and what those experiences mean for the state of the medical industry.
As Bill Gates said...
“Sadly, the virus itself, particularly the variant called omicron, is a type of vaccine, that is, it creates both B-cell and T-cell immunity, and it’s done a better job getting out to the world population than we have with vaccines,” he lamented.
This variant has created a stumbling block in their plan. It is difficult to create big fear about a disease with cold like symptoms.
U.S. COVID Cases, Deaths and Hospitalizations Continue to Decline
Pandemic trends resemble lows not seen since summer, when COVID-19 in the United States hit record lows.
“The United States continues to experience declines by every major metric,” Pond said. “Worldwide, however, we’re seeing a stall in the decline of cases — and some increases across Europe, East Asia, and sub-Saharan Africa.”Following weeks of sustained declines, international cases appear to have plateaued at 11.3 million, up slightly from the previous week, Pond added.
The nations reporting the largest past-month totals of new cases were: Germany, South Korea, Russia, Vietnam, and Brazil. The United States is now ranked sixth in current case volume, after leading the world for most of the pandemic, Pond said.
Informal C99 poll...
Is the pandemic over?
Is the daily Dose column still needed?
I'll add my two cents after your opinions are evident.
The war in Ukraine has dethroned COVID as the topic du jour.
Comments
Is this
shite over?
Bwaaa-hahahahahahahahahaha, not on your(my) life! These bastards will just wait ‘till it comes back around again on the guitar to try to get us to sing along on the chorus.
Is this column still nescessary?
Hell yeah!
The service calls them After Action Reports, breaking down what happened, in what sequence, with what result, and by whom.
If ya think these f@ckers Aren’t breaking it down line by line Right Now to re-adjust and re-group for another run at it. . .
Well, bridge futures are Up right now on the commodities market.
Thanks to All, including the ones that swallowed hook, line and sinker, it helps hone my rebuttals in meatspace.
Pure Blood until my last breath
which should Really be a bong hit!
Edit to correct auto-INcorrect
Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .
Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march
Thanks for weighing in!
My thought is the release of a more virulent bug.
The Covid-Plan / Rockefeller Lockstep 2010
All the other steps are eerily on target.
Take care and be well!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
We're just waitin' for it to come around again...
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Here it comes...
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Someone asked Alan Jabbour
https://blogs.loc.gov/folklife/2017/01/alan-jabbour-1942-2017/
at a workshop, How do you start a tune?
He said well the tune is out there going on all the time. The trick is to hop on as it comes round again...or something to that effect. Anyway fits with your comment.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Nyet on deep sixing the dose
I’m reading reports of the new stealth variant of omicron in Hong Kong and Germany and cases and deaths are increasing again. Apparently it’s infecting people who have been jabbed and who got omicron 1 alike.
As to numbers going down here it’s because the CDC has told hospitals that they don’t have to report numbers anymore. Easiest way to end a pandemic. Quit reporting on it. Vo-la it’s gone. Utah has closed most of its testing centers and people who test at home don’t report their positive results. So cases are in the low 100's but deaths are higher than ever. But they are in the 64-85 age group which is the highest for people being jabbed. Lots of deaths happened at home or care centers so I question whether those are deaths for people who only tested positive but weren’t actually sick. As for our over a million dead reported I’m betting that 70% were with Covid and not from it. This is what other countries are reporting after they look at what actually happened. Fear and propaganda get people to not ask important questions and it’s why the PTB went with it. My 2 cents.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
Thanks for the vote...
I wonder how many deaths are vaccine related, but counted as COVID based on CB's link on military data...
Military MED Data Leaked! Biden Regime Knowingly Continues Destruction of Force
https://rumble.com/vtexdr-military-med-data-leaked-biden-regime-knowingl...
Tons of government data screens and absolutely horrid medical statistics on multi-fold increases in everything from cancer to HIV in service members. Also, proof that FDA approval was only one day - began and ended 8/23/21.
Ever since I discovered deaths were higher in 2021 than 2020 after the start of the vaccination program I've been suspicious.
NZ is another interesting example...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVxmAIKjYM4
As is Scotland...
https://www.brown-watch.com/brownwatch-news/2021/11/7/why-are-more-peopl...
and just one more of many similar articles...
https://rairfoundation.com/all-cause-mortality-why-have-deaths-skyrocket...
So it make me wonder...
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
My vote is
that we still need The Dose, if members are willing to put up the thread.
I came to understand Covid reality very late---way after most people here.
And, I resisted most of the science data for the same reason I am so slow with my computer and cannot do much with my smartphone. Phone is smart. TV is smart tv. Me, not so smart. It took me a year to operate Netflix without raising a sweat.
Caucus 99 participants led me towards understanding about the Virus, bit by bit, and I am forever grateful.
If as I fear, the next unleashed virus will be devastating, it is reassuring to understand that we will have our experts here guiding what we are told and how to take care of ourselves and our communities.
NYCVG
Thanks for chiming in...
I too have learned much here at the dose. I can think for myself...but not very well without data. The community is talented at gathering information from diverse sources. Plus I don't tweet, no smart TV, not even a flip phone...just a land line (which also supply's my internet). I'm a homesteader not a techo-nerd...though I wish I had more of those skills.
Finally warming here. Cabbage was getting hot and had to uncover. Sending warm thoughts your way. Keep chiming in!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Wine Cave Response
https://socoemergency.org/emergency/novel-coronavirus/
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That's that. Pandemic is over for the vaccinated boosted people.
I think there will be more waves of sickness and death, more variants produced, and more jabs given. "Vaccination and mitigation". That's the system.
The Dose is good, until I get trolled and then it feels wrong. LOL I should avoid the infowars as well as all other wars, perhaps. I like posting our local news here, and reading other local news, and the firehose of docs, reports, studies, etc.. Organic community fits me better than free range politics, where I used to get my yayas out. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend after all. shrug I mean the duopoly fight doesn't fill my tank anymore, but I understand why others might feel fed by such conflict. We can't all be Switzerland every day. Heh.
I've wondered...
does it echo in the wine cave? I think it might. One person can say something and everyone in there hears it multiple times.
Sorry if people have trolled you. My hypothesis is TPTB purposely scared the hell out of everyone over this disease and building on Trump derangement syndrome, people became dissociated from their thinking ability. So COVID became a trigger for knee-jerk responses along a spectrum from big pharma propaganda to total rejection of the narrative.
You grow a pretty thick skin being in the 8th grade for 20 years.
Thanks for the frame computer tip!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
There are users on this site...
that would love for The Dose to disappear and are working overtime to meet that objective. The object is to disrupt it to the point where management throws its hands up and cancels it.
That is shocking
Who would do that?
If you are not interested in the info provided, then avoid The Dose.
Shut it down??? Hard to believe.
NYCVG
I’ve never seen anyone request it be shut down.
Some of us would just like to be able to present countervailing information and not be treated like shit in response, and not be threatened with being banned from the site. The groupthink is thick here whether you believe it or not.
Sometimes, it is not what you say,
but how and when and why you say it.
At any rate, I have not sensed you, personally, were treated like shit for your opinion. Your opinion is as valid to you as anyone's opinion is to them.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I can’t remember who posted info re. IVM
and because it demonstrated that IVM was ineffective, the poster was met with the following comment: “What’s your point coming into The Dose with these comments?” I do remember the name of that individual.
Did the person asking that question
get an answer?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Just trying to gather community views...
...and it is clear people want to maintain the discussion.
The accusation is we have a narrative we are pushing in this column. NYCVG's comment above dispels that notion, me thinks. I too have learned as we've gone along. I'm double jabbed, and feel lucky to have had no adverse events...yet. Had I known then what I've learned through these conversations I would not have taken the risk.
One more thing that hasn't been mentioned today, perhaps because we've beaten it to death, is prevention with both supplements and lifestyle. The hyper fear was the tool used to remove our thinking ability.
Thanks for the space to have the conversation. Much appreciated!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Ummm…
I mentioned it.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
I was speaking of today's essay....
but you may have sneaked it in under my radar you clever dog you.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I'm double jabbed, and feel lucky to have had no adverse events
...yet. Had I known then what I've learned through these conversations I would not have taken the risk."
Me too...and my partner (well, she only got one, J&J ... blessing or curse?)
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Thanks, JtC
The internet, as a whole, is under siege and the walls are crumbling. My own paranoid view is that the effort will reach complete success within a few years at most and there will be no "disinformation" on the internet at all.
This does not mean the final success of the empire. People communicated with each other for thousands of years before Al Gore invented the internet -- a monstrosity that has completely destroyed everything in its path -- books, newspapers, radio. Television is hanging on while transitioning to online distribution of its product. Our culture now IS the internet.
The truckers showed how an underground movement can show up out of "nowhere." All who have any fondness for the idea of individual autonomy had better start learning how to communicate without the internet. It could be gone altogether if this stupid "war" gets any further out of hand. And the drive for total control will not for any reason stop.
So long as we can still use this medium with only trollish interference, God Bless Johnny and God Bless this website.
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I have no "vote" and do not want one. I am just a grateful freeloader who takes advantage of the generosity of others. If I did have a vote, I would point out that The Dose was created as a way to keep Covid posts off the Front Page. I assume that even if JtC were to kibosh this daily feature, he would still keep covid material off the Front Page.
If it matters, I do not donate any money to the internet as a matter of principle. Just as I wrote letters to the editor in those ancient days of print, I am happy to take advantage of the opportunity to express my point of view.
To the extent that JtC soldiers on -- I understand where he is coming from. Once upon a time I was the "owner" of a message board. Twenty years ago we had trolls and what later came to be known as influencers -- but they did not have the kind of juice behind them that today's CorpoPimps enjoy.
I hope that I am totally full of shit on this.
We'll see.
I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.
I think it was you...
...or perhaps blue republic that warned me about getting a vaccine. At that time, after a year of isolation primarily from playing in sessions, I was willing to do whatever it took. You know what they say about hindsight, but at least so far no known negative effects. However we regularly fast which is supposed to help rid you of spike protein.
Glad to have your 2 cents even if you don't ante.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
It wasn't me
I was pretty much a contrarian for the first year or so of the Covid Saga, but I really had no certainty about anything. I just did not like the smell of the certitude behind the Lockdown, Mask and Vaccine story. And when I would point out contradictions and obvious bullshit, I would find myself the subject of a public call for banning.
I recite this personal note only to underline that I have no hostility toward anybody who is honest about this problem that we all have to face. Calling Ivermectin, "horse paste," was the back breaker for me. I still have no earthly idea as to what the best way to react to this contagious illness might be. I just have no tolerance for that kind of in your face bullshit.
My take on these "vaccines" was and is -- I do not trust the authorities. For all I know they are right on the dime with any given tale they tell. But they are lying about a whole lot of stuff and that ends my inquiry into which "side" to be on. One side lies, the other side isn't a side, just a random array of disorganized voices, some of them full of shit.
It is easy for me to pick a side.
But, as an individual, since long before I ever heard of Covid, I would never presume to advise somebody on a decision like whether to vaccinate. Thanks for replying to my screed.
I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.
perhaps it was blue republic then
Who ever it was I've often thought about the comment.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
It’s sad that the information on what Hill did to
ivermectin has fallen on deaf ears for some. In his own words he tells Dr. Tess Lowry why he killed his report that showed unequivocally that it did work after getting paid by Bill Gates to kill it. Tess asked him point blank how he felt about knowingly letting thousands of people die every day for doing what he did. This information has been posted in the dose going back months and yet we are still being told that it’s just a fallacy. Sure it is, but only if you refuse to hear what Hill said and why he did it. Or ignore the over 70 peer reviewed studies that show that it does work. This truth is going to get out one day and people will see that their government deliberately let hundreds of thousands of people die so that big pharma could make obscene profits. Both with their mRNA shots and now their anti viral drugs that don’t work and have horrible side effects. It’s why they killed ivermectin and HCQ and never told people about vitamins and healthy eating. And the world thinks it defeated the Nazi way of thinking.
It’s not surprising really that we are seeing this disdain for our lives after learning how Fauci let tens of thousands of gay men, children with hemophilia and people who got infected through blood transfusions die agonizing deaths. The movie Philadelphia was an account for what families and friends went through as was As the Band Played On. Larry Kramer exposed in 1987 Fauci's deliberate act of withholding Bactrim to treat AIDS pneumonia and took the cancer doctors out of play. He’s doing it again for Covid. How long will this be covered up?
Hill’s act will also be exposed one day, but only after more people die. But he’s not the only one doing this now is he?
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
Tess was great in their conversation...
She kept the pressure on...but he had $40 million reasons not to be honest.
https://www.worldtribune.com/researcher-andrew-hills-conflict-a-40-milli...
He had a balancing act...yeah right.
EDIT to add:
and ain't it funny how Falsie has been disappeared...into the witness protection program?
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
My time for deep digging research is limited.
Thus, the information gathered in The Dose is like a valuable consortium. Good overviews, good links, government data, and data from independent experts and independent journalism are regularly posted.
There is no group think, no echo chamber that I can see. Any link from any point of view, a term I think is more appropriate than "sides", can be challenged. It is supposed to be challenged and vetted, for shit's sake!
I am always suspect of information emanating from the government or their agencies. This stems from the late 60s, early 70s, when the CIA tried to recruit me and some others from my college campus.
I have a long haul symptom. It is annoying every split second I am awake. If it is the truth, that this virus is a bio-weapon, and if it is the truth that Fauci funded it, then my grudge against him and disregard for anything over which he exerts power and influence, will be my grudge that lasts forever. I will never forget what I am going through.
Keep it going, people.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I recently heard a good therapy...
...for long haul, but it flushed through and now I can't remember where I heard it.
The FLCCC has a protocol for long haul
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover-protocol/
You might add some of these supplements gradually and see if you get some relief.
Sorry to hear of your ongoing issues and as always, wish you well!
EDIT to add:
found it looking up something else. Hope you find it useful...
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I may be lucky, since
it is not a breathing issue, but a skin issue. Dermatologists acknowledge "COVID rash" but simply refuse to engage in any conversation about it. In other words, they do not give a shit about the cause. They ID the skin rash, then treat it like they always do. I just can't help but believe they are missing an important link that could improve the treatment protocol.
I have a high tolerance for pain, but itching can interrupt me mid-sentence. It is so distracting. That is the biggest difficulty, since my job requires me to concentrate, hour after hour. I can never just forget it. Or Fauci, as it were.
Thanks for offering your help, LO.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Lots of folks have a similar reaction to their vaccine
I have a couple of friends who had a rash after vaccination.
I've also seen antihistamines recommended, but think I remember you trying those.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I do take them,
and as little as they help, they do help. I wish I could find some herbal something or other. Of course, sufficient quantities of beer sort of numb me out! LOL! What a lame excuse, huh?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Hey any port in a storm...
Cheers!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I developed a rash on my ankles
(as did thousands of Gulf War vets), after getting the Anthrax vaccine. It wanes in the summer months, and comes back in the winter... getting to be less and less, now, 30 years later. Doctors have never been able to diagnose it, gave me a standard topical cream.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Bringing this forward from yesterday's DOSE
Ivermectin as a prophylaxis for the treatment of SARS-CoV-2. The product has an excellent safety record that dates back three decades. It's safety profile has been well documented.
The current recommendations by the FDA for one who has contracted COVID-19 is to stay at home, isolate and go to the hospital if and when breathing becomes difficult. We have heard of many instances where people have been denied treatment and told to return home if their oxygen levels was greater than 85% do to lack of beds and staffing shortages.
If you were admitted and your condition degraded to the point that you needed a ventilator your chances of recovery were considerably reduced - Study: Most N.Y. COVID Patients on Ventilators Died.
The FDA does not even discuss the efficacious benefit of vitamin D3 and other well known treatments. It is almost as if FDA wanted to increase the death toll of COVID-19 to scare people into relying solely on the little-tested mRNA 'vaccines'. BTW, the pretext for this therapy for getting the EUA was that there can be no other drug that could be used to ameliorate the disease.
Why are you so adverse to the use of ivermectin despite it's excellent safety record?
NOTE: MAKE SURE YOU VIEW THE INCLUDED VIDEO IN THE FOLLOWING!
Any one who looks at the Brazilian study...
...and isn't convinced of IVM efficacy simply doesn't believe science...because the study is top drawer. It was the interview with the authors by Pierre and Paul that blew me away. Not sure if that's the one you link but here it is in case not.
Watch as four leading doctors—Dr. Kory, Dr. Marik, Dr. Kerr, and Dr. Cadegiani—discuss definitive results from the largest study of IVM in COVID-19, proving it an unequivocal public health game changer. Plus, the docs discuss the ever present omicron variant and answer important questions from participants. Study review (with slides start about 9 or 10 min in for those that want to hear about the study from the sceintist that designed and conducted it.
Thanks for plugging that in here...plus the Military data link you recommended there needs to be widely seen as well.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
The 24 minute video in my post
tells the story of ivermectin's discovery and how it was first discovered to be efficacious in the treatment of viruses. It also tells of it's first use in an American hospital to treat a patient on a ventilator who was dying and had no other treatment left. They then talk about Uttar Pradesh and a number of other countries where it has been shown to be efficacious.
It is no wonder why the media must keep these stories hidden.
Deaths per million: US 2,973 India 368 despite US health care per capita of $10,921.01 vs India at $63.75
Keep in mind that housing and sanitation in India does not even come close to US standards.
I saw that later after my comment
Thanks for the inclusion. Hard to convince people who think its because we're in group think rather than it is the evidence. Shouldn't take being trained as a scientist to see that but...
Can't help those who are convinced otherwise.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
It was all in 'good fun'
Some great lines in that piece...
but my favorite was...
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Thanks for bringing the subject of the dose up
For what it is worth, I believe it has all been said and exposed already for those willing to
consider non-mainstream venues. Perhaps as the pandemic transitions into an endemic
variant, we could get by with maybe 2 or 3 doses per week, rather than the present 7?
It is not difficult to post the header, but it is getting difficult to repeat functionally sane
responses. If issues like mandates and passports can not be expressed otherwise, any
one who wants to publish a specific topic can do so. Like freedom truckers or biolabs or
any of the associated side stories. I was not aware of the above mentioned groupthink,
but what do I know?
Now what are you talking about...
Group think leader. I'll say again to those who call this group think...following evidence ain't group think.
Thinking for yourself is the nature of this place. That's what gives it value.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
When one’s comment that includes evidence of IVM
being ineffective is met with, “What’s your point coming into The Dose with these comments?” you know you’ve entered a groupthink place.
Yes, this happened.
one person isn't a community
That most here think IVM is effective as a treatment is following evidence NOT group think. You are more than welcome to see it otherwise. I'm not asking you for your evidence nor acceptance of the effectiveness. I can think for myself and you are entitle to do the same.
I remember you accusing me of disregarding children's lives (and I devoted my career to children) because I correctly stated this IS NOT a disease of children. Children that died FROM COVID number very low world wide. Now with COVID is what is publicized, but I didn't and will not bother to respond to comments like your accusations.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
You were arguing to open schools
because only children with comorbidities were dying from COVID. I believe children with comorbidities deserve to live, while you were proposing to put their lives in direct danger. And I guess you still are. Eugenics in practice is your proposal.
And, by the way, not responding to comments that question your comments is emblematic of a groupthink situation.
What about the children
who suffer from delayed development, depression, domestic abuse, etc. from being excluded from school and normal socialization?
Someone wishing to avoid those very real consequences of closures/lockdowns is not necessarily (as you appear to imply) looking to kill off kids with co-morbidities.
BTW - one of the top co-morbidities for any age is obesity - which has dramatically increased with lockdowns and school closures - how many people is *that* going to kill?
Those things are all important to factor in
to discussions about re-opening schools. If we do what we know we need to do to make it as safe for everyone as possible (new HVAC systems in every school, adequate space to maintain social distancing, outdoor classes as much as possible, masking when indoors, vaccines for all eligible, etc.) it’s fine with me.
My discussion with Lookout had to do with his/her cavalier wave of the hand toward children with comorbidities. Open schools now because only those children are likely to die. I personally think that’s a monstrous position. YMMV
Masking, vaccinations and social distancing
will NOT protect children with comorbidity from contracting COVID-19 in a school environment. Have you ever watched children interact with one another?
There's so much more to consider,
than what you are implying or saddling Lookout's perspective with. Do you realise that he has dedicated a significant part of his life to the education and wellbeing of children?
So ignoring insults is group think? Okay...
I don't see the use in responding. But for perspective, more children drown than die of COVID in a year, but we haven't banned swimming. The flu is more deadly to children than COVID.
And others have done a good job explaining other reasons. You are entitled to your fear porn but I see the risk benefit of opening schools very clearly.
As I said in the intro, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
EDIT to add: I am not cavalier about anyone's death. Those children are dying from their comorbdities with or without COVID...it is the nature of evolution.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Thanks for proving my point...
about The Dose being trolled.
Keep it going. But -
I think it would be nice/appropriate to have some link to The Dose from the front page -
Something like "for ongoing Covid-related discussion go to The Dose in Community Content"
With a link to either Community Content or the most recent Dose.
And while having something focused on Covid/Plandemic seems appropriate, the connections to everything else: Great Reset, censorship, government corruption, immigration etc., etc... are so pervasive that it does not seem constructive or practical to attempt to exclude such content from non-Dose essays and commentary.
In any case, appreciate having the venue for The Dose and to those who have kept it going.
Kinda funny….
Oops my bad. I posted this in the wrong thread. Sigh it’s been one of those days. But it’s still funny.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
it was pretty funny...
And sadly we will suffer more than Russia for the sanctions we imposed.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Yup this
I wonder how many people will get another jab? I’ve seen some saying that they will take how many that are recommended. Jab to the max is their motto.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
Keep The Dose going!
Thanks again to all who contribute. I enjoy the conversation and learn more here than most any other site.
I do worry some about "group think". But honestly, many of those who post here in a way that looks "trollish" are just bringing some other group think into an environment where it just doesn't fly.
I don't get a sense that many of the posters here are unwilling to change viewpoints if there is compelling evidence to do so.
Me neither…
No one here is telling others what they must do, but bringing in information about things that can help people stay above ground. If others don’t want to follow the information then that is okay. I have no interest in changing anyone’s mind and I would appreciate others not trying to change mine. I believe that there has been enough information on treatments that will give me a good chance of not dying if I get infected. What the government has offered us doesn’t meet that criteria.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
Huge!
If true that just adds to the fact that we have been deceived on a massive scale.
Thread
We also remember that people were getting a weird disease that affected their lungs back in the spring of 2019 that just disappeared and Covid took its place. Hopefully one day the truth will come out.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
On trolls and groupthink...
Let's just picture that you are part of a community that you have been living in for many years. Most days of the week, you walk over to the village square where all the community members are in various conversations on many topics. You join in 2 or 3 discussions and then go on with your day. One day you notice a new group in one part of the square having a very animated conversation. When you come in to listen closer, you hear a lot of talk about a particular topic and notice that there is not a small portion of it that you recognize as being low on evidence, or even based upon made up information. You notice also that the other conversations are still taking place, but they are increasingly overshadowed by that new group. It's kind of like your attention keeps being drawn to that boisterous group. And you realize that some of the stuff that is being said has the potential to confuse others who are trying to make some very important decisions. You find yourself dwelling on that group and noticing that the other groups have smaller and smaller numbers of people joining in. Most are gathered around the new group. So you try to counter the bad information with other evidence, and the more you do that, the more agitated the new group gets. Pretty soon you are being told that you have making bad decisions for your life because you are not agreeing with the group. One person even tells you to get the fuck out of the group if you don't like the conversation. Maybe you are told that your input is disrupting the whole village. You are told that group think is OK since the group has been "proven" to be correct. And finally, because you have spent more time in the new group trying to counter the group think, you are accused of being a troll because, even though you have spent years in this community talking with most of the groups, you have found yourself rather concerned and "lazer focused" on what is being said in the new group, and how that is affecting the whole community.
It is not an "insult" to counter someone's information. It is an insult if you call a person an idiot for believing what they believe or for offering what they offer. I have not done that, ever. I am not a troll and I am not trying to destroy The Dose or this site. Actually I might even be trying to preserve it because I see some ominous signs for the future.
I was asked by someone if I think people who push the prevailing view on The Dose are morons. I didn't even answer that because I found the question ridiculous and kind of insulting.
Just my two cents on how I see this column and how I see what has happened on C99 since the column started. If you don't agree with this view, then lets talk about it. The years I have been here ought to count for something, don't you think?
Oh, and on The Dose column voting. I vote to make it a less frequent offering. 7 days a week is too much. It would be for any other single topic too, especially one that seems to be so emotional for so many.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
Which group is group think?
The handful of people posting here? Or the vast majority of vaxxed of the world's population, who disavow any early treatment protocol?
When I think of loud and boisterous group think, I find the vaxxed fit the description to a tee.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
You missed my point.
It wasn't about vaxxed vs. un-vaxxed (or anti vax). It was about treatment of community members and how a community becomes divisive.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
You were only talking about your neighborhood
to illustrate your opinion of what goes on in The Dose. After all, you brought up "group think" while commenting in The Dose, and it is not the first time. I saw the comparison.
If you are in the minority at home, why are you so disconcerted about being of a minority opinion in these threads about all things COVID?
As you are fond of reminding us, you have the right to express your opinion, even if others find it offensive.
The only restraint is to keep your expressed opinion from insulting others.
Because you constantly assert your opinions in ways that trigger rather pointed responses, it sure appears as though that is your intent.
If you find yourself ignored, your information simply blown off, that would be because you have reduced your stature by your conduct.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
So there is an "us" here that one must not offend
by posting links and information that counter the narrative the (for example) Ivermectin is not a good treatment for Covid, or that the vaccines do not cause brain tumors in children or killed "millions" of people. Posting that makes people uncomfortable, so that makes it fine for them to accuse me of being a troll, or telling me to get the fuck off the site, or telling me that I made a horrible mistake getting vaccinated or my grandchildren are going to die because they got vaccinated. You are saying that there is nothing in those posts that demonstrates some kind of intent behind them? There's nothing in the anti vaccination stuff that is shared that makes ME uncomfortable- right? Just my posts-right? When a column is titled "for all things Covid", one would assume that all types of information sharing is supported, and that anyone in the village square can share, not matter what their POV. But that is not the case at all.
Oh, and you still don't get my analogy.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
Expressing frustration is a normal during times of high stress
and uncertainty. Part of trying to recapture normalcy is doubling down with faith in traditional sources of guidance - CDC, FDA, government officials, community and religious leaders.
It can be a very uncomfortable place to be at the edge of information and research, especially with life and death issues. Sometimes one sees patterns of tragedies happening and the beginning others. Constant reanalysis of ones opinions with input from a multitude of sources, trusted and nontrusted. At times, emotions take over the communication process. Getting stuck on a few comments, over and over again, limits one's ability to process new information in relation to old information.
Prior to The Dose the loud, boisterous and insulting conversations would show up in any diary regardless of the subject. It was easier for the Trolls to slip in for a quick hit, then out of sight when the target overreacted. If the tone made someone uncomfortable to avoid they needed to stop visiting the site. The Dose has narrowed the awkward encounters to a very narrow space on the site. Simply avoid one diary a day or the ones with titles indicating the subject is Covid related.
I vote keep The Dose. It is useful.
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
Yep... and if you don't like seeing the Ten Commandments
posted in the local courthouse, just don't look at them.
Should there be a place in the community square where people are not allowed to be part of the conversation?
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
That is an apt analogy
if one considers COVID to be a religion, and preventative measures a religious practice. Moreover, C99 is not a government building.
If anyone uses The Dose to leave, that is certainly their prerogative, and demonstrates they have no real interest in free range political discussion. Skipping an ot on any subject shows you have no interest in that subject. Rather than entering and bitching about it, skipping it frees up more time to devote to subjects near and dear to one's heart.
As for decorated courthouses, sometimes one has no choice but to go there.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
The Ten Commandments are a decoration?
And speaking of religion, there is a lot of money from religious groups behind the anti vax movement. Many of the truckers had crosses and Jesus signs on their trucks, and one of the biggest trucker funds came from a religious group. This has been well documented by separation of church and state groups.
By the way, it was Scalia who said 'just don't look at it if you find it offensive'.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
Supply a source
to back up your assertion that anti-vax is supported by Christians.
The religious fervor regarding all things vax is the believers in the government vax propaganda. More zeal in showing vax hesitant people they are stupid because the science as supported by Big Pharma is sacred.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
You said that anti vax are "stupid". I never have.
Here is your request.
https://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/society-internationa...
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220207-freedom-convoy-raises-fun...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-new-side-hustle-helping-anti-vaxxers-g...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8489517/
https://www.fairobserver.com/coronavirus/miranda-christou-anti-vax-movem...
https://liberalarts.tamu.edu/blog/2021/05/04/why-evangelicals-are-encour...
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
A couple of those links mention financial support.
The rest seem to address Christian Nationalism relating to vax hesitancy.
And no, I did not call anti-vaxxers stupid. I tried to make it clear vaxxers do, with an almost religious fervor.
I find it both boring and useless to ask anyone why or how they formed their opinion on this vax. I am very interested in many other aspects of the vax program, such as the immunity guaranteed to Pharma, their rise in stock value, the suppression of alleged misinformation, and the adverse effects of the vax.
It is not my place, or yours, to try to convince anyone they are wrong about their vax positions. I can truthfully say, I don't give a flying fuck about who is or isn't vaxxed, nor their reasons for getting or not getting the jab.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Well, I've been told innumerous times that I only
was vaccinated because I wasn't reading the right sources and that I (and my family) have made a big mistake. I've been told "the jab" will cause brain cancer and infertility (not my problem now) will probably kill my grandchildren. So while you don't care which decision people have made, there are a lot of very strong voices on here who do care, and are determined to bend one's opinion in their direction only. And it does feel pretty religion-like.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
I don't care what you and your family did to
promote your health. That's your business.
I would assume you do not care what anybody here thinks. Why would you? You have no respect for any IVM users, or antivaxxers, so why feel insulted by what they say?
Time will tell who is right and who is wrong.
The arguments are, really, a stupid waste of everybody's time. You have presented absolutely no information that has convinced anyone to change their mind, and vice versa.
I appreciate you taking 48 hours to write your response.
I look forward to that time you grow weary of being a victim.
As EL is fond of saying, be well and have a good one.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I have no respect for bad information and pseudo science
and for one-sided dialogues. Posting studies that question Ivermectin is not a personal insult or a judgement on the decision to take it. It's simply rebuttal. If I had seen you take anyone else to task on the other side of the coin in this debate for their condemnations of those who chose to be vaccinated, instead of only coming after someone who tried to offer counter information, I'd have more respect for your commentary regarding all of this.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
I haven't come after anybody, including you,
or anyone else who disagrees. I haven't posted any link to any scientific info that I can recall.
You must have me confused with someone else.
I distrust any info that comes from government agencies, or any info emanating from scientists hired or funded by Gates. No more, no less. I am not personally vested in it whatsoever.
The discussions are not one-sided, and each individual is welcome to declare any information source as misinformation.
I couldn't be more neutral on this if I tried.
I can't characterize anything posted as bad science. I will leave that debate for scientists. If you are a scientist, go for it!
I will give way more benefit of the doubt to any source that is not in any way connected to the government or WHO, Gates Foundation, and the like.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981