I have mixed feelings about this

On one hand I really hate Trump. He's a horrible narcissist. He's corrupt and in way over his head. His agenda is to hand over the government to private interests. There is almost nothing positive I can say about Trump.

Unfortunately much of the same is true for Biden.
I'm coming around to the idea that Biden will go after Social Security. So he might be the greater evil.
He always hated Social Security and Medicare. The fact that Biden is reaching out to establishment Republicans at the expense of anyone on the left, means he's telegraphing this move against Social Security and/or Medicare.
As we learned with Obama, liberals go to sleep when a Democrat is in office. If Trump is still president then liberals will be obligated to oppose any of his attacks on Social Security or Medicare.
The same is not true if Biden is president.

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There's also the problem of the next couple years being horrible economically. The next president is not going to be popular.
If it's Trump he will be the one attacking Medicaid, public schools, food stamps and the VA during the depression.
If it's Biden he'll be the one attacking Social Security and Medicare during the depression.
Either way the party in the White House will be a mess in 2024.
Either way both parties will keep us in endless wars, although the Dems have surpassed Trump in bloodlust.

The GOP will be a mess for voters getting exactly what the voters wanted.

The Democrats will be a mess for denying the voters what they wanted.

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The whole Biden campaign seems to revolve around the concept of kicking the left in the teeth. Winning the general election is secondary.
How could any one on the left possibly vote for a candidate that feels that way?
The Democratic establishment seems to be okay with the idea of imploding the party. This is not normal in a democracy.
It only makes sense in an oligarchy.

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@gjohnsit

an acquired taste: one that I have no interest in acquiring.

I have no interest in voting for a republican. I never have, unless you count carrying a petition around to get John Anderson on the ballot in MA as an independent after he left the repubs, back a lifetime ago. But I am rather looking forward to voting Green and watching the dems lose this election.

It is unfortunate that the only person who can therefore realistically win the election is Trump, but so it goes- you can't make omelettes without breaking some eggs. It's all going to hell at high speed in any case: at this point, everyone is an accelerationist, whether they like it or not.

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Twice bitten, permanently shy.

@usefewersyllables
It's easy to forget just how batshit crazy Republicans are.
I don't go there to learn something. I just go there to test the water temperature.

And yet I'm coming to the conclusion that the Dems can't be allowed to win the White House.
How sad is that?

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@gjohnsit

Thus, my avatar: the bottom line of text that is too small to read in the avatar-sized version to the right here says "Oh, look, it's on fire...".

Finally, after over 40 years as a reliable yellow-dog dem voter and donor, given 2016 and the 2020 primaries I've come to regard the dems as every bit as much an existential threat as the repubs. It is of course too late now, but at long last, I've come to the realization that I've been wrong all along, and that Hunter S. Thompson had it absolutely right when he wrote the following in "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail":

But what about next time? Who is going to explain in 1976 that all the people who felt they got burned in '72 should "try again" for another bogus challenger? Four years from now there will be two entire generations - between the ages of twenty-two and forty - who will not give a hoot in hell about any election, and their apathy will be rooted in personal experience. Four years from now it will be very difficult to convince anybody who has gone from Johnson/Goldwater to Humphrey/Nixon to Nixon/Muskie that there is any possible reason for getting involved in another bullshit election...

There are always naive, starry-eyed new people coming into the process who believe that Their Generation Will Be The One That Will Make The Difference, as the old ones burn out and tune out or die off. This time for sure, and all that.

I know whereof I speak: I was one of those starry-eyed types, even though I should have been one of the two generations that HST said would be done with politics after '72. Took me the abject capitulations in 2016 and 2020 to finally come to the following realization: "No, your generation won't be the one to make the difference."

The difference has already been made, and you and I are not among the winners. As Lily Tomlin said: "No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up." Gonna be a long, unpleasant winter.

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@usefewersyllables

But what’s real sad is those once young hopeful voters of days passed are now today’s centrists who really know how bad a Biden presidency will be, but they have talked themselves into not seeing it because of they hatred for Trump.

But then they also thought that Obama was a great president while in office while ignoring how much a republican he was. And both Biden/MyBoss' histories have been whitewashed.

How many elections ago did this pattern start?

Four years from now there will be two entire generations - between the ages of twenty-two and forty - who will not give a hoot in hell about any election, and their apathy will be rooted in personal experience.

I think more people waking up and seeing how much elections don’t matter.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

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@snoopydawg

Cannon fodder, and little more. The only new jobs will be military, and as the song goes, “Generals and Majors ... always seem so unhappy unless they’ve got a war...”.

Blood will be shed. My hope is that mine, and that of my beloved, will be in plasma form. Living ~8 miles from a Priority 1 target that is good for one or more 20MT devices, I should become one with the plasma within 10-20ms.

I have no interest in surviving the initial passage-at-arms. I want to become superprompt free energy at the leading edge of the fireball.

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@usefewersyllables will soon be bringing bullets.

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at it's best, uniting to step on the left in the most public way. This whole show is really the capitalists getting us into a "how about you and him fight" situation. Watch the proles with the r's and d's on their back slug it out. Doesn't really matter who wins, the capitalists always win in the end.

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My gut tells me there will some event beyond an October surprise which may determine the election. Maybe a shoot out between US and Russian troops in Syria. A massive massive drop in the economy even worse than what is happening now. Riots and looting everywhere, etc. etc.

The thing is that with both major parties basically saying they will not go along with the results, store up on supplies.

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@MrWebster

The only good thing that would come from Biden winning is that pompous Pompeo would be gone. Giving his RNC speech from Israel was too boost his appeal with the Christian folks for his next election gig.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

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@MrWebster
would be a new leader emerging that a majority could rally around and elect. Should that occur, I’ll re-register to vote! Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

@Raggedy Ann would be Biden passing away and Nina Turner running as an indy candidate.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

Different sign and decor, same legislative menu.

Vote lesser evil or don’t vote, there will be no significant change offered, regardless.

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“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024

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We should all unite behind Jo Jorgensen, warts and all (I don't even know a thing about her).

If not now, WHEN???

There has GOT to be a way to just shoot her (or WHOMEVER else, by this point I'd vote for Pat Buchanan over The Duopoly Doppelganger-Dotards) into the running, shove her down the corporate media's throats long enough to get her into the White House.

Otherwise....

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In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.

Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!

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@The Liberal Moonbat ballot challenges in MT, WI, and RI then?

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“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon

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and I am not saying I like it, but being realistic after watching the Obama Presidency, it has become my conclusion too.

As we learned with Obama, liberals go to sleep when a Democrat is in office. If Trump is still president then liberals will be obligated to oppose any of his attacks on Social Security or Medicare.
The same is not true if Biden is president.

Longtime Biden aide, Ted Kaufman, telegraphed what a Biden Presidency may include beyond what you have posted in this essay, gjohnsit, when he said this.

“When we get in, the pantry is going to be bare,” longtime Biden aide Ted Kaufman told The Wall Street Journal in an article published Wednesday, the third day of the convention. “When you see what Trump’s done to the deficit…forget about Covid-19, all the deficits that he built with the incredible tax cuts. So we’re going to be limited.”

In other words, a Biden Presidency will be based upon austerity which deeply affects those who are already suffering the most. It also opens the door for cuts to Social Security and Medicare.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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I have mixed feelings about this

I don't. But then, I've long since made peace with the fact that Donald Trump will be re-elected to the Presidency.

Bad

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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is about as compelling as an overturned sippy cup on a geriatric ward.

The Dems have to be 'running' to lose. Blame Trump for the next four years, the country be damned.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

The Dem Establishment has decided they're better off ejecting the leftist elements of the party in favor of a Centrist coalition with never-Trump Republicans. They'll keep the IdPol "progressives" around for the black vote and the brunch crowd, since they don't cost the donors much, but any actual economic reform is out. If Biden wins, welcome to Neoliberal fantasy land.

Our choice is between that and four more years of Trump. He's corrupt, incompetent and uncouth, but I don't think he's the fascist apocalypse the VBNMW folks would have us believe. He's not an ideologue like Hitler or Mussolini, just a spoiled narcissist grifting off the country like it's another one of his failed businesses.

The only question in my mind is whether the country can survive another four years of this with zero effective opposition or leadership from the Dems. And if it can't, what does that say about us as a nation?

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@AverageJoe42
is covered by an old Navy expression: "Screwed, Blued, and Tattooed."

EDIT:
The phrase has always had a very definite negative connotation, and means to be supremely screwed, screwed beyond all comprehension. The original phrase was "screwed, blewed and tattooed". "Screwed" essentially means "cheated" here, much as it does today. "Blewed" meant "lost or been robbed of". The word's origin is from the German "blauen" so it's actually related to "blue", not "blew", and meant that something had vanished (into the blue). (According to "A Dictionary of Slang, Jargon & Cant" By Charles Godfrey Leland, published in 1889.) "Tattooed" refers here to a beating with very rapid blows, in the same sense as a military tattoo, which is a rapid pattern on a drum. So, the phrase literally meant "cheated, robbed and beaten"

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.