Rigging Nevada for Buttigieg Is Almost Complete

Hmmm...

Buttigieg campaign member Emily Goldman has been hired by the DNC to be a part of running a fair and clean vote in Nevada - no conflict of interest here to see, folks! Make sure to never mention her name online without also mentioning that she is a Buttigieg campaign organizer: her social media profiles are scrubbed or locked. Do not let Buttigieg campaign member Emily Goldman get away with hiding it.

ETA:

#FireEmilyGoldman is picking up. Let's see what happens (probably nothing).

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This smarmy, odious little hosehead has, in my opinion, struck a deal with the party.

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@Le Frog

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I agree with her especially because she saw how the DNC rigged it against Bernie the first time. Now she is watching them doing it again.

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@snoopydawg why she was excluded from the CNN townhalls was nothing more than blatant rigging.

And screw, may I add, Tom Perez.

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@Le Frog

It's just so damn disgusting that they think we will just roll over and take their rat f'cking this time. People fell in line last time and voted for Herheinous and what did they get for doing that? 3 years of hearing that Bernie's supporters didn't vote for her and that's why we have Trump. Enough!

And enough of this type of f'ckery too. For gawd's sake let's bring up things that don't matter just to get your hit job in on Bernie.

I couldn't watch it to the end. I'm still ticked that people are bringing up Bernie's honeymoon in Russia. Just stop!

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@snoopydawg
Or was that a smear to make them look like commies and it never happened? Seems like I remember it being said that either they both went there, or just Bill did back when he wasn't inhaling the devil's lettuce.

Anybody else recall that? Or have I also not inhailed too much of the lettuce?

If true, it likely would have been the so-called Red team bringing it up; but towards Bernie, it seems to be both so-called team colors saying it. Of course, it's hard for me to differentiate between the pretend teams anymore.

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@Deja

. . . and visited Lenin's Tomb in 1970 when he was a Rhodes Scholar. Or so I've read on the innertubes in more than a few places.

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@Wally Then it's Bill's fault that HRC lost!

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@Wally to Moscow ca 1970 came up late in the 1992 campaign against Poppy Bush, as Bush was trailing in the polls and needed a way to avoid the inevitable. Bush tried to get dirt by having a State Dept staffer go into Bill's private passport file for anything incriminating, but found nothing. Meanwhile he was making strong insinuations about Clinton's patriotism in public interviews.

The question of character came up as a question during the debates, and Poppy launched into the attack of Bill protesting against the VN War while at Oxford, but stopped short of bringing up his Moscow trip. Clinton had a forceful response

[video:https://youtu.be/APkTYP9gvqY]

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Deja's picture

@wokkamile

Bush tried to get dirt by having a State Dept staffer go into Bill's private passport file for anything incriminating, but found nothing. Meanwhile he was making strong insinuations about Clinton's patriotism in public interviews.

The Clintons were neck deep in Mena/Iran Contra with Pappy's former agency asset, none other than Bill Barr (who'd become his own AG).

Might not have been on the passport, but would have made his own ties to death and destruction at the hands of the CIA come to light, so some things were obviously kept quiet.

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@Deja
Bush had been President for 12 years. Time to hand the baton over to Clinton so that he could further dismantle the Democratic Party. That was why Ross Perot ran. Perot has a history with intelligence, and his running ensured that Bush was out of the limelight for Iran-contra.

As has been tradition, when a President leaves office he never gets prosecuted for anything.

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@Deja

and she got money for her foundation after signing off on the Uranium one deal. Bill then got paid $500,000 for giving a speech to some financial elites. but for gawd's sake the media is bringing up stuff from the 70's that Bernie said and that he went to Moscow for his honeymoon. Since when is visiting any country decades ago off limits? This is just beyond stupid that Bernie is being tagged as a Russian asset when he is fully on board with pushing the Russia Gate saga. That is exactly what people were telling him. It doesn't matter how much he parrots the party line he will still be tagged as an outsider. It's f'cking ridiculous!

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@Le Frog

and came from the upper middle class, I think it would go something like this...

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

No bias at all! /S

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

@Azazello

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@Azazello That song by Al Stewart?

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@Bob In Portland

Heh. Well it was "Year of the Cat," but it does rhyme...

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@Le Frog

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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@OzoneTom

The more I see Pete the more I think rat. Not nice, but true. It's not just his looks, but more his personality and smugness. He is too arrogant for me.

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@snoopydawg

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

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@Azazello

If not I think it's what we should use.

BTW did anyone see the articles on Pete I posted in my essay on Nevada? I updated it later after some comments had already posted, but the first one really nailed Pete's rattery. He has been groomed for running IMO. There is just too much resemblance to Obama coming out of nowhere. And one book reviewer said "this is the best book written since Obama's." Blehh.

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@Azazello

The first part is hilarious. This is the reference to hogwartz.

Anya Parampil posted it. I think she is in the house?

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@Le Frog

Tells you that the people running Mayo Pete are part of the old guard who think they can still manage the media narrative. It’s 2020! Of course they filmed it all and posted it on Twitter - WTF did you think they would do??

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg

@Hawkfish @Hawkfish are in the Mayor Cheat camp?

https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/07/18/buttigieg-campaign-adviser...

ETA: oh God she wants to be his VP, was that what all that coy bullshit was about last week? A fucking warning for us?

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@Le Frog

She doesn't want to play second fiddle to anybody.

Anyway, why play second fiddle to Pete when they can helicopter her in at the convention?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

He can always hand her the presidency on the second ballot if Bernie can't pull off the miracle. I don't think her ego would allow her to be VP unless it's acknowledged to be a short term option towards the presidency.

Buttigiegs's role as shiny new object will essentially end come SC although he will drag it all the way to the convention because he has billionaire backers who can find many ways to circumvent individual donation limits.

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@Wally @Wally

being VP for, since she actually works for a group including him anyway. Having a corrupt financier boss should be old hat to her by now.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

MWAH-HA-HA-HAAAAA!

Seriously though, she runs as the spook's VP, he gets offed by LBGTQ "hatemonger" within the first year, and Her Turn at last.

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@Deja

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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@ggersh

getting toward the political dry heaves now...

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Le Frog leaking? Who here would be surprised?

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@Le Frog

except, of course, blow the whistle.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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[video:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mryfl0OOXAM&feature=youtu.be]

The whole 2 hours is worth but he says interesting things about Bernie in the last half our or so. Has given me food for thought.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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@Raggedy Ann I won't have a chance to watch today and am now intrigued.

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The rigging of Iowa was very successful. IDP says Buttigieg gets the most delegates, Sanders in second.

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" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "

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@boriscleto

And it's the crooks who are in charge of counting who gets the cookies? I doubt we will ever know who actually won there. This election should come with an asterisk next to it. Just like the last primary should have.

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@snoopydawg Too bad so much misinformation and damage has been done.

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@boriscleto
Of the 41 pledged national delegates:
Buttigieg: 14
Sanders: 12
Warren: 8
Biden: 6
Klobuchar: 1

They did this without calling a winner

The party also announced a deadline of Saturday at 1 p.m. ET for campaigns to submit "documentary evidence of inconsistencies between the data reported and the records of result for correction."

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@OzoneTom
Here:
https://twitter.com/JacobEBrown3/status/1226695966952128523?ref_src=twsr...

It will be interesting to see which they ignored/accepted.

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@OzoneTom

"[I]f you had a charity where somebody said, Hey, I'm gonna take this money and use it for a specific purpose, X, and they pocketed it and stole the money, of course that's different. But here, where you have a party that's saying, We're gonna, you know, choose our standard bearer, and we're gonna follow these general rules of the road, which we are voluntarily deciding, we could have — and we could have voluntarily decided that, Look, we're gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That's not the way it was done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right,

http://jampac.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/042517cw2.pdf

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

The DNC has a plan for that.

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@Le Frog as much as the word of the Iowa dem party. After all they were both going to use the software from Shadow. And to make matters worse the DNC is the referee.

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@humphrey
magic connection is the only known trans billionaire-Penny Pritzker. She gave us Obamer & became his Sec. of Commerce before she came out. It worked out well for them last time, so they are back at it.
www.winterwatch.net/2020/02/mayor-pete-the-spook-a-favorite-of-the-kakis...

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chuck utzman

TULSI 2020

@chuckutzman everything about that douchebag and his failing up makes sense.

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@Le Frog
a few years back. Boy did I feel dumb. I won't make that mistake again.
Someone with more time than I have needs to tell this story before Mayo Pete gets too far to stop.

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chuck utzman

TULSI 2020

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@chuckutzman

Mayor “Pete the Cheat” Buttigieg comes across as a model globohomo candidate of “The Blob,” a nickname for the informal permanent kakistocracy that forms America’s intelligence and foreign policy apparatus. He has a stable of backers who strangely seem to have two — or at most three — degrees of in-your-face separation. What is it about Pete that drew such a group around him?

We can imagine that Buttigieg would be an errand boy in the great American foreclosure following an inevitable market and economic crash. Keep in mind that during such crashes, the billionaires always seem to be bailed out or protected from losses. For them, crashes are a big buying opportunity. They snatch up the private assets of the American public on the cheap.

Yes the Pritzker wealth backed Obama during his entire career and Penny was rewarded with an ambassadorship for her role. Did she get Israel or the Vatican?

Overlooking the homophobic slant to the article it's a good read. Again if anyone wants to see how shallow Pete is read this article on how we don't want him anywhere near the WH. I think he would be worse than Obama and that's saying something.

Speaking of Obama's tenure . Does anyone else think this is one of the most tone deaf things he has said?

Obama loves to talk about how bad wealth inequality is right now, but pretends he had nothing to do with creating it.

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@snoopydawg he was such a fucking failure. Even Trump is a more effective POTUS with respect to pushing forward an agenda.

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@Le Frog He fooled all of the liberals and turned over government to the Republicans, which is what he wanted to do all along. We should all dream of being so successful in our political objectives.

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“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon

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@Le Frog

and people are whining about how much they miss him and what a great president he was. I have been tweeting this out for people to see who he really was and what he did. Lots of retweets!

When you say that you miss Obama....

If you haven't read it before you're in for a treat. Lots of links to countless other articles in it.

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Great list -- am saving for reference. Ignoring the style difference between Obama and Trump (admittedly tough to do), on substance (so far) there are few differences: Iran Nuclear deal, TPP (Trump's team will come up with something similarly dreadful), location of US embassy in Israel. and Trump's stupid wall @snoopydawg

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@Marie

Pull up a chair and make yourself comfortable and introduce yourself.

Yeah this is a great list of the damage that Obama's tenure gave us. This is why it's surprising that so many people think he was " "the best president of their lifetime."

I just finished reading two articles blaming Trump for things that were started during Obama's tenure. One is the mini nukes on submarines and the other is about the persecution of Julian Assange. The TPP was Obama's final FU to the country. The ISDS thing would have given up our autonomy to rule ourselves. Really great job, Barack.

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@snoopydawg

He couldn't do everything overnight! He only had 8 years. He would have done all the good things in his 3rd term. Unfortunately the Constitution now says he wasn't allowed to have years 9 through 12, which is when everything we want would have happened.

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Penny and JB (current IL Governor) are the children of Donald Pritzker (1932-1972). Jennifer Pritzker is Robert Pritzker's daughter, and therefore, a first cousin of Penny and JB. Seems best not to conflate the Pritzker characters -- even if their politics don't differ among them. @chuckutzman

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@chuckutzman

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@humphrey  
Establishment Democrats’ idea of fairness is definitely somewhat “Daffy.”

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMXYrQBwNK0]

A cartoon with a trigger warning for people who went to Philly in 2016 to back Bernie.

Yet even an Elmer Fudd will stop taking it and turn badass when pushed far enough.

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@lotlizard

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@Le Frog

was the part where their app reported their fraudulent crap to the wrong people.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Cassiodorus's picture

Why bother with democracy if we're just going to have dictatorship?

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“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon

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@Cassiodorus

Their lawyer said that they "could go into back rooms and pick the candidate they wanted."

Jared Beck was the lawyer who sued them for rigging their primary against Bernie. The DNC lawyer dismissed Bernie supporters by saying that they knew it was being rigged and yet they still sent him money. I think it was dismissed for standing. Which meant that no one had standing to bring the lawsuit against the DNC.

Anyone know if I'm right on the standing part? Either way the DNC admitted that they did indeed rig it. Maybe that's why they are so blatantly doing it again?

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@snoopydawg I feel like a broken record to keep mentioning this lawsuit, but it seems a lot of people don't know about it, which is understandable as the media buried it, or don't believe it was what it was. I really think that was the beginning and end of the 2020 primary season right there.

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Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.

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@Dr. John Carpenter

a few days ago.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

A fair number of Congress critters and officials have endorsed Bloomberg.

It is just a big show to maintain the status quo. The 99% are the real losers.

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@humphrey

This sure sums it up doesn't it?

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@snoopydawg and, if I'm not mistaken, Trump is wearing a girdle?

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@Le Frog
Looks like a tablet to me. Maybe he doesn't tweet from a phone, but a large tablet or laptop.

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@snoopydawg
in this junior-high confirmed dream of unaccountability

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Raggedy Ann's picture

@humphrey
political ad - right here in New Mexico (Saturday, I think) - where Obama is endorsing the bastard.

Bernie or bust! Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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@Raggedy Ann

Do you have a link?

Edit/add: OK, I found it but that wasn't an endorsement. It's Bloomberg using old video of Obama saying nice stuff about him. It will be interesting, though, to see if and how Obama reacts to Bloomberg using that footage.

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@Wally
Obummer is endorsing him or he would order Bloomberg to cease and desist in using his image.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

@humphrey

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"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin

@humphrey are easy. I think BC is standing next to the late Yankees mgr Joe Torre.

Next to him? Is that funny man Billy Crystal?

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@wokkamile probably Crystal as well.

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@humphrey

(the article is less repulsive than one would expect from the NYT)

Since it makes it clear that it's fine for Mr. Bloomberg to be a purist about his particular issue and wreck the party's chances for political power by picking and choosing which Democrats he supports with his billions and which he opposes by putting his billions behind Republicans. But it's not fine for me to even criticize a single Democrat--unless their names are Tulsi Gabbard or Bernard Sanders.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

We know it isn't Bernie!

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@humphrey

No way is the top bar about 10x Bernie’s total. More like 5x.

Edit: The X-axis is missing 100M, I’m not seeing things. They are covering up the differential.

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg

@humphrey as they are, that profiteering right there is it in a nutshell.

The *only* thing I find tolerable is the prospect that Bloomberg is wasting a ton of his own money (granted, money that he stole) and has gotten swiped at by Donald Trump.

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@Le Frog

midterms were over? This election is the longest I think and lots of people are making big bucks from it. This is why we need public financed elections and get the money out of politics. I bet the fathers would be appalled at what government has become.

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@Le Frog Mike cares he will be spending some of his money and still will have about $55b left in the bank win or lose? Much of the $2-5b he'll spend will be earned back fairly quickly anyway, money making money while he sleeps. And moreover he must have felt, given his age, this might be his last chance.

The one good thing I can say about him, if true, is that he would greatly relish beating phony billionaire Trump. Oh, and he pays his campaign staff well. And there are a lot of them.

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Shahryar's picture

We've seen Iowa, we can foresee what the DNC has planned. What do we do about it? I guess just keep getting the facts out. But I'd that enough?

It's similar to the overall problem. How do we get our ideals into general practice? The problem is clear, the solution vague. In a world that favors bad guys, grifters, arms dealers and such, do we play by their rules? Or are we able to outsmart them?

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QMS's picture

@Shahryar
slight of hand
balled fist
fight back
truth wins

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@Shahryar

there is work we could do, yes.

First, we'd need to build a vehicle through which we could realize our political goals. It needn't even be a party. It could be an organization, a community, or better still, a networked series of such.

We should be working to organize independent, local political communities, joined in a network and served by a bevy of small-dollar independent media. We should be working to support and proliferate that media. And we should be working to achieve good policy through local government as well, where we can, and trying to head off at the pass the movement (that at least exists in Florida) to starve local governments of both funds and decision-making ability.

This is from that article "All About Pete:"

Is another type of municipal progressivism possible? Yes, it is. You may not be able to introduce Medicare For All as a small-city mayor (though some places are thinking about local Green New Deals), but there’s a lot you can do to expand democracy. How about these to start: Participatory budgeting. Citywide minimum wage. Municipal public banks. Social work/case management access in local libraries. Enforcing strict tenants’ rights. Lowering the voting age for city elections. Kicking out the charter schools. High-quality public toilets and napping benches. Safe injection sites and needle exchanges. Wage theft enforcement. Fighting state attempts to privatize public assets. The right to counsel in immigration and housing court. A co-op conversion fund to buy rentals and permanently convert them to affordable co-ops. A community land trust. Free public daycare and universal pre-K. Usury caps to keep aggressive lenders out of the city. Converting municipal utilities and vehicles to renewable energy. Requiring community benefits agreements for new developments. Diverting money from policing to mental health services and public housing, and reducing use of armed police officers to solve social problems.

There's about a million other things we could do as well that are not (strictly speaking) political, but which encourage the kind of economic autonomy that is a necessary precondition for nurturing the politics we like.

But that all takes a great deal of work of the least glamorous kind. And it won't save us from climate change, nor a host of other ills. So most people don't want to do the work. I'm not even sure I want to do it--and I'm nearly certain I don't want to be one of the people trying to start it from scratch. As someone who sometimes can barely muster the energy to take her vitamins and antidepressants in the morning, I am too burned out to be the organizational groundbreaker, a role I've played fairly often. This time, I can't be the first or second person out there with a shovel. I need some indicator that more than two other people are willing and able to do the work before I commit. Like, I would be fine with being the tenth person out there trying to build something, or maybe even the fifth. But any such effort would have to have at least a little momentum behind it before I tried to do anything.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Here in Texas, local governments have indeed tried end runs past the various "gatekeepers," which in our state is the GOP controlled state government. While they love the "local control" theme, when it gores their particular ox (or whatever entity happens to be bribing them), then they simply override any local ordinances with state law. This happens a lot in forward thinking places like San Antonio and Houston.

Up north of Dallas, there's the town of Denton. The folks in Denton decided they didn't so much want fracking chemicals pumped under their town and/or well water. They passed a law that stopped fracking at the city limits, or some such. The state GOP had a fucking cow over that and immediately outlawed any city from doing such as Denton had just done. Denton couldn't do jack to stop it. Interesting that Denton is not some liberal bastion stuck in Texas. They're as right wing as anywhere else ... just didn't care to be poisoned.

There are many other examples I could use in place of the Denton one.

There has to be a way to get around that type of behavior by state governments, most of which are now in the grips of the hard right. Not sure what that would be.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver