So how did the first day of the impeachment circus go?

lol..if that doesn't clear things up for ya... then there is Adam Schiff denying that he knows who the whistleblower is.

The republican's response?

Zelensky has stated that he did not know that the military aid had been held up so how could there be quid pro quid or bribery as Schiff has amended the impeachment charges to? I don't remember congress saying anything when Obama refused to let them go to Ukraine because he was afraid of ramping up tensions with Russia. How can withholding the javelin weapons harm our national security?

The whole Ukraine debacle started when Obama overthrew Ukraine's president because he was friendly with Russia.

US Staged a Coup in Ukraine - Here's Why and How

.....Conclusion

That's the basic truth about the coup in Ukraine, and it hasn't benefited anyone other than the warmongers. Ukraine is split in two and stuck in a frozen civil war; its debt-to-GDP ratio has doubled since the US-backed coup; pensions, social services and minimum wages ($140 a month) have been slashed and the people are still ruled by corrupt oligarchs. The US regime change ops also ignited a chain reaction of needless hostility, hysterical Russophobia and crippling sanctions. The EU has lost more than $100 billion in trade with Russia in the last four years; and the US has pushed Russia deep into China's orbit. Just like the neocon adventures in Iraq and Syria, the meddling in Ukraine will go down as another disastrous and reckless chapter in the sordid history of US foreign policy.

There are no repercussions for destabilizing country after country and causing unimaginable suffering and death. Or any of the other heinous things Trump is doing. But try to find out who was involved in trying to overthrow your presidency and look into corruption of the previous administration and bam! you're being impeached. But when your opponents don't have a solid case against you then you can sit back and watch them make fools of themselves. And laugh. Cuz what else can you do?

Trump is a horrible, corrupt and arrogant asshole who is doing lots of damage to us and the country and there are plenty of legitimate reasons to impeach him. But of course congress can't do it for those reasons or they'd have to charge many others for the same thing. So instead we get kabuki impeachment hearings.

Share
up
0 users have voted.

Comments

@Vex right, if the Ds put forth a dynamic candidate who can help generate sizable GOTV, who not only sticks it to Donald and doesn't shy away from going on the attack but also proposes a bold program of change, then it will be a clean sweep for the Ds -- WH and (barely perhaps) the senate and adding to their majority in the House.

Agree though winning the senate will be tough. And doubt very much if Mitch McC can be unseated. It's KY after all. And that R gov who just lost to the Dem was very unpopular statewide across the board. All the other 7 Rs who ran in the state won.

up
0 users have voted.

@wokkamile
from this laughable impeachment which is obviously wholly political.
I remember both Watergate and the Clinton impeachment. People, ordinary people, were glued to their TV sets. This time only political junkies.
I think that in the end, Democrats will think the charges are proven, Republicans will think they are unproven and a totally political fabrication and independents will agree.
Shiff and Pelosi are in safe seats, but (R)'s will win the purple seats.
All this barring a stock market crash or major economic hiccup.
As pointed out above, they are not impeaching on real charges just these false charges. If they impeached him on real charges they will have to explain why they didn't impeach Obama as well.

up
0 users have voted.

I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

@The Voice In the Wilderness always been considered a political process, so the charge that it's just political is a circular argument.

And it might be a good thing to wait until the Judiciary Comm'ee votes on actual impeachment articles first, then as it goes to the full House for a formal vote. Then complain away about whether they are false, etc. Premature however right now.

As to Pelosi, I argued above her seat may not be so safe if either Bernie or Liz is nominated and they carry forth the M4A banner. Pelosi will be in a tough spot having to defend the status quo on that issue, esp against an aggressive progressive challenger she now has. And he would be asking why her constituents -- who in SF presumably are in favor or M4A, and not some watered down improvement on ACA -- would want to have a rep, esp as Speaker, who wouldn't be working with their new progressive president.

Of course, if a moderate D is nominated, with a weak tea health care proposal, then Nancy is a little safer. But not entirely.

up
0 users have voted.

@wokkamile
And I really think that I do not respect Adam Schiff.
I know that I don't respect Pelosi.
In fact, Gabbard is the only current (D) in the House that I respect, but I'm sure there must be more that I just don't know abour. Odds are that I don't respect most of them. They are still moaning about their "stolen" election instead of asking why voters turned to Republicans and the idiot sleazy TV host.

up
0 users have voted.

I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

Pages