Voters are Dating Biden, Haven't Married Him Yet

Biden holds big lead nationally, but 77 percent 'likely to change their minds'

Former Vice President Joe Biden has a two-to-one advantage over the next closest Democratic presidential contender in a new poll, but more than three-quarters of likely primary voters say they could still change their minds.

The national survey from Park Strategies finds Biden at 32 percent support, followed by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) at 15 percent, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) at 13 percent, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) at 12 percent and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D) at 7 percent. No other candidate has more than 2 percent support.

While Biden has a big lead at the moment, his support appears to be soft. Seventy-seven percent of likely Democratic voters said they could still change their minds, pollsters found.

“Voters may be ‘dating’ Joe Biden, but they have not ‘married’ him,” said Chris Kofinis, a Democratic pollster and founder of Park Strategies. “While he enjoys a clear lead, there are simply too many Democratic voters open to changing their minds. Whether in the upcoming debates, or other events, it is clear that the Democratic race could change dramatically in the coming weeks.”

They don't support impeachment, they think Trump is the #1 problem, and they are frustrated by the huge number of people running.

The Park Strategies survey of 600 Democrats was conducted from May 24 to June 4 and has a 4 percentage point margin of error.

I do not like the huge number of clowns in the car either. Why people like Beto and the 1 percenters haven't dropped out yet is beyond me. Who is footing their bill?

There is only one person running that can beat Trump and that is Bernie. Bernie is an old man with nothing to lose by taking on Trump and then Wall Street if he wins. If he's anything like me, he's old, tired, pissed as hell, and sick of fools. Bernie (and Tulsi) is the only one who gives a shit about people and means what is coming out of his mouth.

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for "horse face" Kerry and it won't work for Biden either. When you're 78 years old, you're 78 years old.

Crikey.

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I'm old, and he's too old for me. He needs to get the hell off my lawn. Biggrin

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ticket (at this time). Of course, if the DP Presidential Debates prove to be substantive, my (premature) projection could easily fall to the wayside. Smile

Seriously, I think two corporatist Dems like them (who're also very good at 'pretending' to be progressives) would make the DP Establishment quite happy.

Hey, Warren grates on my nerves something awful--her voice is worse than FSC's, IMO. I have to turn her off! Apparently, though, it doesn't particularly bother other folks--she's picking up a lot of the AA women's vote. If I heard it correctly--earlier today on MSNBC--Warren ranks second after Biden, in most recent SC poll (according to DP-leaning pollster Cornell Belcher). Supposedly, nationally, the AA vote comprises one-quarter of the reliable vote for Dems.

Bottom line, Bernie needs to take Warren on, if he wants to win. (I'll post a link to the transcript from Fox News Sunday, later. He not only refused to talk about her, he even refused to compare his ed proposal to hers.) Frankly, my gut tells me that Biden will implode under his own weight. But, (for reasons unknown to me) Warren looks like she will be a contender.

I'll post a link to the poll, if I can find it. (Just checked Real Clear Politics, and, they're way behind.)

Have a good one!

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She had the nerve to brag about a plan to put a $500/mo per family cap on Rx because Pfizer promised her they wouldn't raise their prices and did.

1. Seriously, they broke their promise? How old is this old bag and how long has she been around politics and lobbyists? I don't know what's worse. Her thinking we're stupid enough to belief she was shocked or her actually being shocked they lied.

2. Americans can't even afford a $400 emergency without a trip to the poor house let alone paying $500/mo for drugs. I can't help but think she is going to fall apart too. People can't be this stupid. But then, I said the same thing about a second term for George W. Bush.

3. She has now flipped again on M4A and is once again saying she supports it. Does #2 sound like it? That plan is like one week old.

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or 'recommending' Warren, by any means. Just stating my observations, as of late.

Regarding the "RX cap," while I agree that it should be much less, since we were forced (by Medicare Part D RX plan) to pays over $10,000 OOP, I'd have to say that I'd be relieved to see a 'cap' on RX prices, period.

Having said that, not in favor of dismantling (and replacing) the 1965 Traditional Medicare program in order to achieve that, or any other goal of transitioning Medicare into a managed care program, like Medicare Advantage.

First of all, it's absolutely not necessary. Think a lot of folks are discounting that many seniors will do the math, and find out that they're going to be out more, not less, for the Sanders/Jayapal 'managed care' plan. We will be.

But, more than that, we're concerned about the loss of autonomy, and full access to medical services--which comes into play anytime you're talking 'global budgeting' (currently, there is not hard limit on Medicare spending--if seniors run up the bill, it's paid for, period). Not to mention "Utilization Management," which entails getting Prior Authorization (PA), etc. Heck, if we'd wanted 'managed care,' we'd have signed up for MA (Medicare Advantage), and, agreed to gleefully 'jump through the hoops' of the private insurance industry. Bad

Posted a blurb the other day for one of the many Medicare 'reforms,' including buy-ins--in that one alone, Mr M and I would pay $7,000, compared to $0 for OOP costs.

Actually, that's not nearly as much as we'd pay for UMFA (Sanders & Jayapal) if individuals are charged a surtax (included in his White Paper). At least the "Medicare For America" plan (also, managed care) allows 'seniors'--since the lawmakers didn't want to be on the receiving end of the 'Rosty Rumble,' I'm assuming--the choice of premium calculation. That's because, as I've stated over and over, many seniors will pay higher premiums/taxes--whatever you want to call it--for coverage, if they are taxed, as opposed to paying the very, very heavily subsidized (current) Traditional Medicare premiums. Hope folks notice that neither Sanders nor Jayapal tout that it will lower costs for current Medicare beneficiaries. (BTW, the very lowest income seniors are pretty much protected under both systems, as they should be. So, I'm talking about seniors who don't qualify as low income.)

Again, not in any way intending to throw support behind Warren. After I heard her on the NPR program, "On Point," back off the wealth tax to fund higher ed, I pretty much decided that Warren's not trustworthy.

Bottom line, I think it will take a candidate who's very strong with AA's to garner the nomination. And, in the Mid and Deep South, a lot of white and black Dems (the DP Base, that is) are moderate to conservative. That's the way it is. (And, one reason we left the Party in 2004! Smile )

South Carolina is one of the first major primary races. For that reason, it's very important. In 2018, one-third of the Dem Party votes in SC were cast by the AA Community, especially, women. And, for whatever reason, Warren is taking off with that cohort. That's one of the primary reasons that I believe that she has a shot at the nomination. Of course, I could be wrong. She may implode, just like I believe Biden will. But, she's running a totally different kind of race (than he is). Heck, he's not even pretending to run, IMO.

I 'suspect' that the upcoming Debate will tell the story, regarding Warren's viability. IMO, it'll be a make or break performance, for her. Personally, I won't even venture to guess how she'll do. Not sure how I'll be able to stand listening (to her)--but, gonna take one for the team, and try!

PleasantryMollie

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@Unabashed Liberal Two of the most dreadful things I know.

Again, not in any way intending to throw support behind Warren. After I heard her on the NPR program, "On Point," back off the wealth tax to fund higher ed, I pretty much decided that Warren's not trustworthy.

Liz, trustworthy? Ha ha and ha. Look how she stood up for fellow "progressive" Bernie during the 2016 MA primary. Oops, my bad: she didn't. The four decade faery tale about Cherokee heritage is just one giant yuck. Pocahontas will get destroyed in the final debate rounds when rivals tear into her.

As far as managed care is concerned: this is a no brainer. Unless one has unlimited funds, all health care is managed. Medicare does it more leniently and with far less overhead than insurance companies.

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and will fight tooth and nail (until we expatriate) to keep Traditional Medicare as is, with our Medigap policy picking up all excess charges/costs (unfortunately, with the exception of RX's). IOW, it's pretty difficult to best paying 'zero' OOP, with no restrictions on (medically-needed) health care procedures/surgeries/tests/treatment, and, no 'Prior Authorizations' required.

I've read that it's under consideration to start requiring PA's for a couple of 'bundled' procedures--joint replacements, IIRC. Which I hope doesn't happen. But, at this time, the only item that currently requires a PA (in the Traditional Medicare program) is a motorized wheelchair--unless there's been a change.

Compare that to the horror stories I've heard about Medicare Advantage (private insurance) plans, with the ton of PA requirements, and, I say, "no thanks!"

Hey, good try, AE, but, no cigar. Pleasantry

Seriously, would like to see this original 1965 program amended to eliminate OOP (paying 100%, instead of 80% of costs), include all RX's, other services (vision, hearing, LtC, etc)--and, of course, broaden the program to include ALL residents of the US.

Now, that's a plan, IMO.

Have a good one!

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@Unabashed Liberal I would extend Medicare to all LEGAL residents, including those with valid green cards.

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for everyone--including tourists/visitors to US, non-residents--whatever.

But, it's definitely not unreasonable to ask that participants contribute to the program, especially, since it'd be so comprehensive--and, expensive.

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The only question is will it last long enough to make sure a progressive can't win?

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According to Sirota................

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@gjohnsit Onward Together. Wow. It is as inspiring as a Joe Biden speech. The Evil Queen has opened another faux charity by which to derive political clarity, i./e., money in her grubby mitts so she can continue the best long con in American history. Without doubt, HRC belongs in the Grifter Hall of Fame. In fact, they should name it after her. She's off and running, well, er, plodding and stumbling into the Presidential carnival featuring lots of trained Rats. She will push Joe Biden aside with one swish of her magic wand and tell China Joe: "Hie thee hence!" China Joe will drag Hunter out of Rehab and take a long-deserved vacation in Guangzhou.

Any bets that Hillariscope runs again? Get your bets in before August.

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interview with Bernie, not the Fox News Sunday interview, yesterday.

IOW, it was last Sunday's interview on CNN's State of the Nation that Bernie refused to engage about Warren. Dana Bash hosted, filling in for Jake Tapper.

Sorry! Listen to too many Sunday political programs, I guess.

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I do not like the huge number of clowns in the car either. Why people like Beto and the 1 percenters haven't dropped out yet is beyond me. Who is footing their bill?

'Everything You Need to Know': With Warren and Sanders Not an Option, Wall Street Abuzz Over Biden, Harris, and Buttigieg

Having already determined that two of the top contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination—Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders—are completely unacceptable and must be stopped at all costs, Wall Street financiers have reportedly begun to narrow down their list of 2020 favorites as candidates' fundraising efforts reach a "fevered peak" ahead of the June filing deadline.

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According to the Times, Wall Street donors opening their wallets for the 2020 race are attracted to Biden's "ideological moderation," Buttigieg's "charisma and intellect," and Harris's "potential as a possible primary victor even as she now trails in the polls."

"Those are the three," said Julianna Smoot, who served as national finance director for Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign, which raked in an unprecedented sum of Wall Street cash. "If you could roll all three of them into a single candidate, you'd have the perfect candidate."

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Hamilton E. James, the executive vice chairman of Blackstone and a top fundraiser, hosted Mr. Buttigieg at his home on Thursday. The short-selling hedge fund manager James Chanos will hold an event for Mr. Biden on Monday. And on Tuesday, Marc Lasry, the hedge fund manager and co-owner of the Milwaukee Bucks, is gathering checks for Ms. Harris. Co-hosts of that event include Blair W. Effron, an investment bank co-founder and an influential Democratic financier, and Ray McGuire, vice chairman of Citigroup.

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"It can't be Warren and it can't be Sanders," the CEO of a big bank anonymously told Politico.

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Would you let your daughter date a Joe Biden? Would you let your son date a Liz Warren?
I would not vote for either, they are both Dem/Hill bots. Biden and Warren change more often than the wind direction. Any way the oligarchs wind blows, there they are.

I think some deep pockets have underwritten the clowncartrain soley to bury Bernie and/or Tulsi. The only two most honest ones that actually really give a shat. I don't believe the poll results showing them with the (lack of) support they do, or showing Bernie at half of Biden in so many polls. It is all manufactured courtesy of the DNC's deep state.

CBS already showing delegate count projections??????????????

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Auto correct wants me to call him that too. But that's exactly where his ideas should go. People who have lots of money will do everything they can to keep Bernie from winning. And don't be fooled into thinking that they don't want Warren. She is nothing but a small dawg who barks a lot, but runs at the first time someone barks back. They know that.

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And don't be fooled into thinking that they don't want Warren

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Frankly, can't see how they--Wall Street, One Percenters, etc.--would truly be worried about Warren or Bernie, since both hold positions in the Dem Party Establishment hierarchy. Warren since 2014, Sanders since 2016.

What the 'might be' worried about, is that Warren or Sanders could stir up 'populist' passions among the rabble, that actually get out of hand!!!

IOW, I imagine that the Dem Party Politcial and Monied PtB are relatively well satisfied that both of them will continue to help keep progressive activists in the so-called 'Veal Pen'--so that they won't vote 'third party.' At least, that appears to be the goal from where I stand.

Further, I think that's the reason that they (DP Establishment) goaded so many rank-and-file lawmakers--who absolutely have no chance of winning--into running in the first place. That, and it may help set up their preferred corporatist Candidate. Plus, Voila! This DP election cycle is IDPol on steroids, if that's ever been the case. Smile Hey, what's not to like? (to their thinking)

Time will tell, I suppose . . .

[Full disclosure--an ole 'Firebagger,' here--'think' it might have been Jane Hamsher who coined that phrase; but, I could be wrong. WD (Wendy Davis) probably knows. Biggrin Wonder what ever happened to ol' Jane?]

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because as far as I know Elizabeth Warren has not changed her tune about Israel's brutal policies towards all Palestinians and the title is correct about how she "sounds like Netanyahu".

".... Israel lives in a very dangerous part of the world, and a part of the world where there aren’t many liberal democracies and democracies that are controlled by the rule of law. And we very much need an ally in that part of the world.”

Warren said Hamas has attacked Israel “indiscriminately,” but with the Iron Dome defense system, the missiles have “not had the terrorist effect Hamas hoped for.” When pressed by another member of the crowd about civilian casualties from Israel’s attacks, Warren said she believes those casualties are the “last thing Israel wants.”

“But when Hamas puts its rocket launchers next to hospitals, next to schools, they’re using their civilian population to protect their military assets. And I believe Israel has a right, at that point, to defend itself,” Warren said, drawing applause.

Warren even rejected a different voter’s suggestion that the U.S. force Israel to at least cease building illegal settlements by withholding further aid: “Noreen Thompsen, of Eastham, proposed that Israel should be prevented from building any more settlements as a condition of future U.S. funding, but Warren said, ‘I think there’s a question of whether we should go that far.'”

https://theintercept.com/2014/08/28/elizabeth-warren-speaks-israelgaza-s...

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