AG Barr interview on Investigation of the Predicate for Spying

For those of us interested enough in the Barr investigation of the Russia/Collusion investigation, there is a transcript of AG Barr's recent interview on CBS, posted yesterday at the Conservative Treehouse by sundance.

There are some key qualities about Barr's statements. He exhibits a strong respect for the First Amendment and for law in general. But then he mentions the "intent" thing and his "love" for the FBI and the DOJ. And that tends to reduce one's hopes for actual justice. At the same time, he doesn't mince words about the Praetorian Guard nature of the possible suspects in the case. Here are some excerpts:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/31/ag-william-barr-on-doj-f...

AG William Barr on DOJ/FBI Conduct in 2016: “Things are just not jiving” – Full Interview and Transcript…
Posted on May 31, 2019 by sundance

… JAN CRAWFORD: You’re saying that spying occurred. There’s not anything necessarily wrong with that.

WILLIAM BARR: Right.

JAN CRAWFORD: As long as there’s a reason for it.

WILLIAM BARR: Whether it’s adequately predicated. And look, I think if we — we are worried about foreign influence in the campaign? We should be because the heart of our system is the peaceful transfer of power through elections and what gives the government legitimacy is that process. And if foreign elements can come in and affect it, that’s bad for the republic. But by the same token, it’s just as, it’s just as dangerous to the continuation of self-government and our republican system, republic that we not allow government power, law enforcement or intelligence power, to play a role in politics, to intrude into politics, and affect elections.

JAN CRAWFORD: So it’s just as dangerous- So when we talk about foreign interference versus say a government abuse of power, which is more troubling?

WILLIAM BARR: Well they’re both, they’re both troubling.

JAN CRAWFORD: Equally?

WILLIAM BARR: In my mind, they are, sure. I mean, republics have fallen because of Praetorian Guard mentality where government officials get very arrogant, they identify the national interest with their own political preferences and they feel that anyone who has a different opinion, you know, is somehow an enemy of the state. And you know, there is that tendency that they know better and that, you know, they’re there to protect as guardians of the people. That can easily translate into essentially supervening the will of the majority and getting your own way as a government official.

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... JAN CRAWFORD: You’re working with the DNI, the head of CIA. I want to ask you about something- just declassification. But the president has tweeted and said publicly that some in the upper echelon, Comey, McCabe, etc., committed treason. I mean do you agree with that?

WILLIAM BARR: Well, I- as a lawyer I always interpret the word treason not colloquially but legally. And you know the very specific criteria for treason- so I don’t think it’s actually implicated in the situation that we have now. But I think what he–

JAN CRAWFORD: Legally.

WILLIAM BARR: Right.

JAN CRAWFORD: You don’t think that they’ve committed treason?

WILLIAM BARR: Not as a legal matter, no.

JAN CRAWFORD: But you have concerns about how they conducted the investigation?

WILLIAM BARR: Yes but you know, when you’re dealing with official government contact, intent is frequently a murky issue. I’m not suggesting that people did what they did necessarily because of conscious, nefarious motives. Sometimes people can convince themselves that what they’re doing is in the higher interest, the better good. They don’t realize that what they’re doing is really antithetical to the democratic system that we have. They start viewing themselves as the guardians of the people that are more informed and insensitive than everybody else. They can- in their own mind, they can have those kinds of motives. And sometimes they can look at evidence and facts through a biased prism that they themselves don’t realize.

WILLIAM BARR: That something objectively as applied as a neutral principle across the board really you know, shouldn’t be the standard used in the case but because they have a particular bias they don’t see that. So that’s why procedures and standards are important and review afterward is an important way of making sure that government power is being conscientiously and properly applied. It doesn’t necessarily mean that there are people- you know, that people have crossed lines have done so with corrupt intent or anything like that.

JAN CRAWFORD: But it seems like you have a concern that there may have been a bias by top officials in the FBI as they looked at whether to launch and conduct this investigation?

WILLIAM BARR: Well it’s hard to read some of the texts with and not feel that there was gross bias at work and they’re appalling. And if the shoe were on the other–

JAN CRAWFORD: Appalling.

WILLIAM BARR: Those were appalling. And on their face they were very damning and I think if the shoe was on the other foot we could be hearing a lot about it. If those kinds of discussions were held you know when Obama first ran for office, people talking about Obama in those tones and suggesting that “Oh that he might be a Manchurian candidate for Islam or something like that.” You know some wild accusations like that and you had that kind of discussion back and forth, you don’t think we would be hearing a lot more about it?

JAN CRAWFORD: You- I guess when you said that there were things done that were not the typical run of business, ad hoc, small group, it’s not how these counterintelligence operations normally work. I think that maybe Comey and others might say well this was such an extraordinary thing we had to keep it so closely held. So we had to do it differently what’s your response to that? Is that legit?

WILLIAM BARR: Well it might be legit under certain circumstances but a lot of that has to do with how good the evidence was at that point. And you know Mueller has spent two and half years and the fact is there is no evidence of a conspiracy. So it was bogus, this whole idea that the Trump was in cahoots with the Russians is bogus

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… JAN CRAWFORD: So did you ask the president for authority to declassify?

WILLIAM BARR: Yes.

JAN CRAWFORD: You asked the president?

WILLIAM BARR: Yes and also you know, the direction of the intelligence agencies to support our efforts.

JAN CRAWFORD: So did you discuss this with the DNI and head of the CIA?

WILLIAM BARR: Yes.

JAN CRAWFORD: And what’s their response?

WILLIAM BARR: That they’re going to be supportive.

JAN CRAWFORD: And so you won’t will you declassify things without reviewing it with them it seems like you have the authority to do that?

WILLIAM BARR: Well in an exceptional circumstance I have that authority but obviously I intend to consult with them. I’m amused by these people who make a living by disclosing classified information, including the names of intelligence operatives, wringing their hands about whether I’m going to be responsible in protecting intelligence sources and methods.

I’ve been in the business as I’ve said for over 50 years long before they were born and I know how to handle classified information and I believe strongly in protecting intelligence sources and methods. But at the same time if there is information that can be shared with the American people without jeopardizing intelligence sources and methods that decision should be made and because I will be involved in finding out what the story was I think I’m in the best decision to make that decision

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… JAN CRAWFORD: But when you came into this job, you were kind of, it’s like the US Attorney in Connecticut, I mean, you had a good reputation on the right and on the left. You were a man with a good reputation. You are not someone who is, you know, accused of protecting the president, enabling the president, lying to Congress. Did you expect that coming in? And what is your response to it? How do you? What’s your response to that?

WILLIAM BARR: Well in a way I did expect it.

JAN CRAWFORD: You did?

WILLIAM BARR: Yeah, because I realize we live in a crazy hyper-partisan period of time and I knew that it would only be a matter of time if I was behaving responsibly and calling them as I see them, that I would be attacked because nowadays people don’t care about the merits and the substance. They only care about who it helps, who benefits, whether my side benefits or the other side benefits, everything is gauged by politics. And as I say, that’s antithetical to the way the department runs and any attorney general in this period is going to end up losing a lot of political capital and I realize that and that is one of the reasons that I ultimately was persuaded that I should take it on because I think at my stage in life it really doesn’t make any difference.

… WILLIAM BARR: I’d rather, in many ways, I’d rather be back to my old life but I think that I love the Department of Justice, I love the FBI, I think it’s important that we not, in this period of intense partisan feeling, destroy our institutions. I think one of the ironies today is that people are saying that it’s President Trump that’s shredding our institutions. I really see no evidence of that, it is hard, and I really haven’t seen bill of particulars as to how that’s being done. From my perspective the idea of resisting a democratically elected president and basically throwing everything at him and you know, really changing the norms on the grounds that we have to stop this president, that is where the shredding of our norms and our institutions is occurring.

JAN CRAWFORD: And you think that happened even with the investigation into the campaign, potentially?

WILLIAM BARR: I am concerned about that.

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I’m going to be responsible in protecting intelligence sources and methods.

and the Alphabet’s methods have included lying and dissembling to the public for decades, one would have reason to expect more of the same.

After all, he has been in the “business” for over 50 years, and he surely knows better than you or I what we are entitled to know about and what needs to continue being hidden. It’s for sure that he will protect these institutions that he loves from the harsh disinfecting effect of full sunlight. Never mind these upstart idealists who want the whole simple truth.

Coverup coming, again.

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And then I have to ask myself who was going to be in a position to really shed light on this and bring perps to justice. I mean, Trump was the target of this injustice. And you'd think he'd appoint someone outside the swamp. But is there anyone outside the swamp who's in a position to become Attorney General? I don't know. He didn't appoint Ralph Nader.

On the other hand, it's possible some people in the FBI and DOJ actually want justice, and it's possible Barr relates positively to those people. I think Barr's statements describing the wrongness of the Praetorian Guard thinking they know better than the American people are pretty strong statements. I'm hopefully wondering if they can smoothe this thing over by requiring more training in respect for the Constitution. I mean at a certain point I think Barr and everyone else in the Establishment are acknowledging that at least some of the American people are paying attention and know the law.

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...in the same way that FDR saved capitalism.

They play Wack-a-Mole whenever they get into serious trouble. Get rid of some of the dead wood. Restore confidence in the People.

Agent provocateurs like Mueller are untouchable. The spectrums of investigation will be as narrow as they dare.

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@ovals49 focus on his 'love' for the DOJ or FBI.

He made a number of damning comments.

Even if he wanted to, and I don't think he does, he can't go into his review all partisan-y, bull in a china shop way. To me, he seems like he is trying to be objective, or at least recognize that the catalysts for the FBI could have been legitimate.

And I think Barr sounds much better than all the shrill shrieking on the other side, especially compared to Comey. And while Mueller doesn't really shriek, the fact that he keeps trying to muddy everything up to help the impeachment crowd makes him look too biased as well.

I think Barr will come out ahead.

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is that he is an "institutionalist."

It's funny--from day to day, I tend to vacillate between thinking that he might actually expose and challenge the obvious institutional corruption, and, thinking that he's clearly been put in place to fool/placate DT.*

*Which doesn't take much, since he's clueless on so many levels.

I'm 'guessing' that the purpose of Barr's maneuvering would be to attempt to avoid a constitutional crisis "down the road toward impeachment."

IOW, the collective Deep State PtB might figure that it'll be easier to manipulate DT regarding various matters, if he believes that his AG is "fighting for him." Unlike Jeff Sessions.

(Remember, DT so distrusted Sessions, that it obviously became a major preoccupation. Ergo, he unrelentingly went after him, in hopes of forcing his resignation.)

Time will tell, I suppose.

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From what I've read there is ample evidence for Barr and company to charge some of the people involved with setting up this silly Russian interference nonsense, but if he does how far up will he go?

There were abuses of the FISA court when people got warrants based on no evidence of a crime. The FBI had to entrap people into doing the things that Mueller charged them for excluding Manafort. Flynn and Papadopolus were charged for process crimes not related to Russian interference. The Russian Internet agency and those 12 Russian military dudes did not do what Mueller charged them for. We know this because the DNC computers were not hacked. Everything that Mueller charges from that is based on lies. And he only took Brennan's word that Russia did anything. "Believing" in something doesn't make it true. But since he stated unequivocally that Russia did attack the country by committing cyber crimes people will continue repeating that for eternity. Psst..don't take a look at ToP. Some new guy that joined yesterday is saying that Russia's attack means that we're at war! Man guns and mount the battlements folks..sign up to go fight those evil Reds! Top of the wreck list last night. Peew.

Mueller's job was always to muddle the water so that congress could keep Russia Gate running.

WILLIAM BARR: I am not sure he said it prevented him. I think what he said was he took that into account plus a number of other prudential judgments about fairness and other things and decided that the best course was not for him to reach a decision. I personally felt he could’ve reached a decision but–

Mueller said that he didn't exonerate Trump from committing any crimes. But he also doesn't say that Trump committed any crimes. Whatever side of the fence people are on is what they are going to take from the report. It should be called the Mueller Rorschach's test report.

Edited for clarity. Bottom line for me is that pretty much everything Mueller based his report on was false. I just don't understand why people who believe him and everything about Russia Gate can't be open to the possibility that Trump didn't collude with Vlad or that Russia didn't interfere with the election if they would remember how many times the intelligence agencies have lied to us and especially Mueller. There was once a time when they were against everything that Brennan and his ilk stood for. But just like Bush has been rehabilitated so has Mueller..

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Bob in Portland wrote this excellent essay on Mueller's history.

What Mueller won't find

Bob posted it in the comments on this essay..

the real Bob Mueller

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...the State Department, the Department of Justice, and the Intelligence Community — they have an "insurance policy":

The Praetorian Media. Our propaganda delivery system.

Think about what that means.

For the first time, the temporary government — the Elected Government — starts to look pretty good again. So why are they so easily corrupted? What corrupts them?

Strict public finance laws in elections would go a long way toward kicking the corrupt bums out of the election process, but what about the Praetorian Political Parties — or I should say, the Praetorian Duopoly? Who polices them?

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The other thing that was for is if Trump didn't accept the results of the election. Then he would have been hit with evidence of his colluding with Vlad to rig it.

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But I always saw the notion that Trump wouldn't give up the throne when his term was over as absurd and artificial. It was the orchestrated hysteria of an agent provocateur, a bizarre idea that was floated, while pundits feigned deep concerns. Yet this was never a concern of the People; such a thing had never occurred. It was propaganda being planted.

Notice how Barr pulls this trigger in his very first words (a complete non-secquitur). He must have practiced all week to get that right:

Are we worried about foreign influence in the campaign? We should be because the heart of our system is the peaceful transfer of power through elections. What gives the government legitimacy is that process. And if foreign elements can come in and affect it, that’s bad for the republic. But by the same token, it’s just as dangerous to the continuation of self-government ... to allow government power, law enforcement or intelligence power ... to intrude into politics, and affect elections.

(I removed his hesitant mumbling from the above transcript.)

First he proves he's not Trump's personal lawyer by using the propaganda trigger. Then he makes his point (which is self-immunizing). He knows law enforcement has been caught abusing their considerable powers. His mandate is to contain the damage. He's the prosecutor, the judge, and the defense attorney all rolled into one.

[edit=typo, clarity]

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and he isn't going to charge anyone for what they did. His job is going to be the same as Mueller's was. To keep kicking dirt on everything that happened and to keep Russia Gate going and in the news. The inspector generals report on the FBIs handling of Hillary's emails showed that people covered for her so she wouldn't be charged under the espionage act which is exactly what should have happened. It came out and no one talked about it and now it's off people's radar.

And if foreign elements can come in and affect it, that’s bad for the republic.

Bullshit! If he really felt that way then he'd be talking about how Israel needs to stop meddling in our elections. This is one thing that no one discusses when they talk about how Russia interfered with the election. And how many previous administrations reached out to people in other governments when they were transitioning? When did that become unacceptable? Hell Reagan got Iran to hold on to the hostages until after he won and no one batted an eye at that.

Nope. Barr is just taking up where Mueller left off and people will continue to be distracted from what congress is doing and what they aren't. Meanwhile the wars against Russia and China will continue being planned just as they are now.

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...are clearly hitting the mark. People would be advised to pay attention and start to recognized the endless bamboozle poured over their heads.

I would guess that some of the retired, deep state, dead wood like Brennan will be charged by Barr. And obvious criminals like Comey. Hopefully, that will implicate that rotten-to-the-core internet security fluffer, CrowdStrike, who are in the process of installing their mediocre software on all the Federal data systems they can get their hands on. They have top secret clearance, of course.

Barr's got to make some bloody sacrifices if he wants to contain this backfire. Otherwise, it's going to burn all of them. Too many people know what happened here. They can't kill them all.

PS: g-2 space — http://g-2.space — was updated yesterday. I got to it from this note from carter - http://g-2.space/unspun.html .

One has to wonder what Awan was holding over everybody's head. He and his family knew something about the hack that never was. The had access to the DNC server. Otherwise, why would the Clinton's attorney defend him and why would the judge (the same one that gets all these cases including Butina) send him on his merry way? That firewall is about to crumble.

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@snoopydawg that he didn't mention Russia specifically, but the neutral "foreign government."

And what he said is correct.

One method of getting through to someone making an argument is to point out where there is agreement, rather than continuing to escalate; it seems Barr is using that method.

We'll see....

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and his leaving people with the impression that Russia did the deed. I doubt that anyone will call out what Israel does. Look at what happened when Omar got too close to the truth.

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@snoopydawg necessarily leaving that impression; rather, people are jumping to conclusions.

But, like you said, his comments are within the context of the Mueller's investigation. Then again, how can Barr comment outside of that context?

Can Barr simply ignore the notion of foreign influence, since it is so intertwined with the whole investigation? Or is it better that he address the notion without further implication of Russia?

So, it will be interesting where this lands.

Already tonight, it is coming out that Mueller manipulated quotes from interviewees, one of which was one of Trump's lawyers, John Dowd. He is on TV now, disputing the quote as reported by Mueller, calling what Mueller did a smear.

Hmmm.

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Fell asleep, woke up and thought I had forgotten to save.

Nite all....

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Ever since the Democrats set their sails on that doomed voyage with Hillary at the helm, they have understood everything that's happened, and gotten every single response they made — 100 percent wrong.

Bob Barr is not Trump's private lawyer, as the clueless Dems insist. He's there to save their asses from the wildfire they inadvertently unleashed with their dumb decisions and accusations. He's there to rescue the system. They're too busy making decisions that are 100 percent wrong about the 2020 election, to engage in any self reflection.

No matter how horrible President Trump is, the 2020 election fundamentals contain certain criteria that make it almost impossible for the Democrats to win: A popular (enough) incumbent President in the middle of a war(s) with a strong (enough) economy. It would take the bold vision of an uncompromised, trustworthy candidate who could capture the imaginations of the People — to knock out the Republican incumbent. The Democrats have "decided" to go with more-of-the-same, with a tangy splash of gender and/or race on the side.

It's just not enough.

The people have seen behind the curtain. But the Democrats are unwilling to make the necessary sacrifices for the win. They think they can win with a plutocratic candidate — while the People's necks remain chained to the yoke of austerity. They'll see.

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the curtain. People think that if Trump doesn't get reelected then everything will go back to normal. But they don't realize that he isn't that much different from Obama who wasn't much different from Bush....

I just read about how a judge is very upset about what's happening to immigrants at the border and she wants some one to be held accountable. The administration is fighting it. Opened the article and it was from during Obama's tenure not Trump's. Pelosi is working with Trump to make sure that we don't get a break on drug prices. As I wrote about last week the democrats are pushing him to put more sanctions on Russia and Iran and to keep the troops in Syria and elsewhere. How many democrats voted to end the war in Yemen? Not enough to rescind Trump's veto.

People are going to need to hurt a lot more before they wake the hell up and see that both parties are working against us.

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Wrong spot

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because they hold out hope that Barr will at least speak to the abuse of power, but also because they show awareness of the fact that he's Establishment and not likely to bring the Establishment down, which keeps us grounded in reality.

But you know what? I kind of think things are unraveling for these dudes. In a recent article about declassification, sundance posted a Fox interview with Joe diGenova, and in that interview diGenova named sundance and themarketswork (Jeff Carlson) as sources. These two researchers are documenting everything that's been released, Congressional testimony, press conferences, media reports, and they're skillfully reporting it as soon as they assess it. This is not 1968.

Just as Mueller couldn't contain the Centers for Disease Control testing of the anthrax strain, which identified it as ours, not Saddam's, as had been stated by Cheney, just as he couldn't control the anthrax scientists speaking to journalists about the short list of people who could weaponize anthrax, he can't control the excellent research being done and being posted by independent journalists like sundance. And you should read the Comments to his articles. These right wing folks are talking about bringing the federal government down if justice is not served in this Russiagate mess. Seriously. These people are supposed to be the conservative base. They are not going to go shopping if Comey isn't prosecuted.

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about how Russia did not hack into the DNC computers and the Podesta emails. Pompeo met with members of VIPS who showed him how it was impossible that they were hacked from an outside source.

Ray McGovern says that he sent a letter to Barr about it and has also sent one to Trump after Mueller released his report. If it's true that they do know the truth then why are they still going along with the farce? Pompeo and Barr are both on the American exceptionalism train, but you'd think that Trump would want people to know that he didn't need outside help to win the election. And of course the media hasn't talked about all the things that Trump has done that ole Vlad wouldn't have wanted him to do.

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...ever reach Trump, or if they do, that he reads them. Look how the neocons have him doing their dirty work and picking up after them like a houseboy. The Obama administration trying to overthrow his presidency is what put us all at terrible risk in a dangerous world. But at the end of the day, he's still a know-nothing oaf, careening around the world stage, making crude stabs at executing foreign policy, flying by the seat of his pants. I wonder who told him to pick Pence as his VP. I guess that was the genius of Bannon.

It took Americans 70 plus years to lay the groundwork for this horror show. One corrupt and immoral act of aggression built upon another. All we can do is adapt and make sure the truth is never snuffed out completely by propaganda. We get to live out the grotesque death of an Empire. I hope everyone is taking notes. Maybe some good will come of it.

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I wonder who told him to pick Pence as his VP. I guess that was the genius of Bannon.

I don't remember who picked Pence for VP, but Sheldon Anderson picked Bolton to be in his cabinet after Mattis was fired. Anderson is a big time supporter of Israel first and he wanted Bolton to pick up where he left off. The Iran war is the last goal for PNAC's remaking the Middle East for Israel.

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(CTH) writer sundance adds this today:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/02/modified-declassificatio...

Modified Declassification Expectations Amid Clarity of Purpose from Ratcliffe…
Posted on June 2, 2019 by sundance

… If the Barr perspective includes the need to retain legitimate national security value within the processes previously abused, Barr may mitigate what is released. Again, a tight-rope where ‘We The People’ are expected to trust yet another official.

CTH accepts the possibility of honorable intent within Bill Barr, cautiously. The ‘trust’ bank account is overdrawn. Perhaps that’s why very cautious optimism, with frustratingly tempered short-term expectations, is the prudent analytical perspective.

Then again, ‘We The People’ have no more tongue to bite…. A constitutional republic can only accept so much demonstrable corruption before all hell breaks loose.

I hope AG Barr understands this.

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Well of course he did because he left intact the fake Russia interfered with the election crap, but this goes to his sorta claim of Trump's obstructing justice. He edited out the whole conversation that Trump's lawyer had with Flynn's.

“It’s All A Fraud”: Deceptive Edits Found In Mueller Report

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) on Saturday called for the immediate release of "all backup and source information" for the Mueller report after internet sleuth @almostjingo (Rosie Memos) discovered that the special counsel's office deceptively edited content which was then cited as evidence of possible obstruction.

Mueller’s team omitted key context suggesting that Dowd was trying to strongarm Flynn and possibly obstruct justice by shaping witness testimony, while the actual voicemail reveals that Dowd was careful not to tread into obstruction territory in what was a friendly and routine call between lawyers.

Dowd qualifies his request by saying “without you having to give up any…confidential information” in order to determine “If, on the other hand, we have, there’s information that…implicates the President, then we’ve got a national security issue, or maybe a national security issue, I don’t know… some issue, we got to-we got to deal with, not only for the President but for the country.”

What a big surprise huh?

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