calling all russia-gate aficianados

this may be just a waste of time (esp. mine, lol) to even post this and ask any of you experts to fill in any context, etc., but as far as the mueller detractors, it ain't over yet. a friend of the café sent me this storify by Tweet yesterday. so...i headed to the home of the Queen of Russia-gate, marcy wheeler to see if i could make any sense of what's *said to be* afoot.

5. Trump's PERSONAL ATTORNEY left the voicemail to Flynn, telling him essentially "well Trump is implicated so we have a NATSEC issue and we need a heads up if you cooperate with Mueller". And remember how Trump says he loves you. Um . Witness tampering. Obstruction. All that.

6. Now, we also have that little pesky detail of people connected to CONGRESS reaching out to Flynn and his attorneys with messages that "could have affected both his willingness to cooperate and the completeness of that cooperation". I will bet my $1 on DEVIN NUNES.

7. Back to the Wikileaks part of this, Flynn told Mueller about SENIOR Trump campaign officials discussing the prospect of reaching out to Wikileaks. but he didn't just SAY It. He gave Mueller INTERNAL DOCS. This implicates BOTH Trump AND his campaign for? Conspiracy/collusion

8. The aim of the Wikileaks contact was to coordinate the release of STOLEN material from the DNC and the Clinton campaign, bc hacked material is STOLEN, in order to influence the election and possibly change the narrative the day of the Access Hollywood tape.

9. That, my friends, is conspiracy with Russia bc Wikileaks possessed emails and material that RUSSIAN HACKERS had stolen. not to mention that even the TRUMP CIA has repeatedly said, through Pompeo no less (LOL) that Wikileaks is just
a front for RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE.

10. Jerome Corsi (yes, that one) said Stone wanted Wikileaks to publish their Clinton/DNC/Podesta material the day the Access Hollywood tape was made public. Corsi knows bc Stone called him and told him that was what he wanted. Why? Bc it would change the narrative.

11. Considering Stone is going to be tried exactly for conspiring with Wikileaks in order to publish hacked material, I'm sure you can add 2+2. The biggest twist though was half an hour ago as a judge ordered transcripts of Flynn's conversations with RU OFFICIALS to be filed. :O

oh, bother; here's the url of her tweet. maybe you can see all 17 subtweets as a stand-alone; i can't keep pasting then in one at at time. but here's #18:

18. The Mueller team knows full well the chain of events this sets in motion: they chose the most official and legal way to show how Barr is lying AND hiding evidence just and only to protect Trump, and how Trump DID obstruct justice AND conspire with Russia. BLOOP! /END

now miz wheeler's been a busy bee lately: four posts on may 17, these two on may 16:

'The Trump Campaign Discussed Reaching Out to WikiLeaks after WikiLeaks Helped Them Win’, May 16, 2019, emptywheel, some teasers:

"The newly released document shows that in addition to Flynn’s cooperation against his former partner Bijan Kian, there were three parts to Flynn’s cooperation with the Mueller investigation (assuming a remaining redaction, likely to be the counterintelligence investigation, is not part of the Mueller investigation in chief). Aside from revealing that Flynn told Mueller who else was in the loop on his calls with Sergey Kislyak and the detail that others (who are not named) cleaned up their testimony after he flipped, as well as details about obstruction — some, but not all of which — show up in the report, the addendum reveals:

The defendant also provided useful information concerning discussions within the campaign about WikiLeaks’ release of emails. WikiLeaks is an important subject of the SCO’s investigation because a Russian intelligence service used WikiLeaks to release emails the intelligence service stole during the 2016 presidential campaign. On July 22, 2016, WikiLeaks released emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee. Beginning on October 7, 2016, WikiLeaks released emails stolen from John Podesta, the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign. The defendant relayed to the government statements made in 2016 by senior campaign officials about WikiLeaks to which only a select few people were privy. For example, the defendant recalled conversations with senior campaign officials after the release of the Podesta emails, during which the prospect of reaching out to WikiLeaks was discussed.

These references may be redacted in the Mueller Report.

As I’ve noted, one question from Mueller that Trump refused to answer was whether he discussed giving WikiLeaks a pardon. We know that immediately after the election WikiLeaks contacted Roger Stone and said they were more free to talk."

Chuck Ross Gets Pissy about Russian Disinformation’, May 17, 2019

and this related coverage from Linda Wood on May 16: ‘Roger Stone challenges DOJ to prove Russia hacked the DNC’, caucus99percent.com, May 16

i know less than zip about a lot of it, some of the players' name are familiar but foggy, but these folks ain't givin' up. too bad they're not challenging him on murder, mayhem, and evil deeds that actually matter to the rest of the planet. again. i hope i'm not wasting your time, but i wanted to leave this here cuz there are so many other stories to cover.

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If one foolishly believes that "Russian intelligence" hacked the DNC and Podesta, and that "Russian intelligence" gave the hacked data to WikiLeaks, then what exactly is the crime if someone in the Trump campaign "reached out" to WikiLeaks?

And most importantly, if Mueller had evidence of obstruction by Trump or others in his campaign, he would have issued indictments. Heck, he indicted 12 Russians who will never even see the inside of a U.S. courtroom.

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(wish i could find a clip with just the first few seconds ...)

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@edg

: ) this isn't about logic, but a partisan witch hunt, imo.

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Flynn, the guy that OHO was investigating before the campaign (according to the now famous Mueller Report and the work of Judicial Watch), and which our illustrious Intel Community claims, he now (2 years ago?) claims people were trying to influence him?

"Hey, buko, Unless you come clean and give it up, we'll destroy you and your family. OK I'll give it up, whatever you want. Good. We're still gonna destroy you and your family, sucker. Thanks for playing"...

You have a choice, Death or Chichi... i choose Death. Fine. Good choice. But first a little Chichi.

BTW it was Brennan that started this sh*tshow...

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Stop the War!

about Russian Disinformation. Has anyone asked him under oath about the Pee tape?

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And what a good forensic tool Twitter is! It peels back layers of delusion to get down to the deranged assumptions at their foundation. I am sad to note that every fact in play here, from the bottom up, is fundamentally wrong. I think anyone analyzing this "event" from the beginning, with a firm grip on reality, would readily see the mental health issue exposed here.

I'm going back in to read more. Somehow, in my mind, I just assumed that Marcy would quietly disappear; would remove herself from the data stream for very long time. The assertions made about Wikileaks is a good example of the evil that comes from ignorance. It is also a treatise on why democracy cannot work to benefit the people in an indoctrinated and uninformed society. At best, it functions as an opinion poll. It is certainly not self-determination or enlightened governance.

[edit=typos, clarity]

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@Pluto's Republic because it has to, anything short of that would have to recognize the fact that there isn't much there, and what is there points in other, sometimes inconvenient directions. Here's on of those inconvenient directions that they'd rather not discuss...

https://boingboing.net/2019/01/16/trump-psygroup-sco.html

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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...was no more that a bunch of Hasbara fanatics and a bbs app called Megaphone.

Israel has proved the case (to the open-source intelligence world) that a small state can control a large state via political ops and election meddling — but only with the total commitment of the main media channels.

Woe to Pindostan and the Pindoses.

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the more evidence mysteriously pops up. I haven't seen this desperate a narrative since third grade

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I haven't seen any evidence at all.

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@UntimelyRippd

They've been driving on the fumes of Authority.

Had they offered any evidence at all, it could have been debunked immediately. Instead, we had to wait two-and-a-half years for a pricey cya-agenda-based investigation to burn itself out — to finally expose the hoax.

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is coming close to being sentenced it's discovered that he has a tape on someone from congress or the administration.

5. Trump's PERSONAL ATTORNEY left the voicemail to Flynn, telling him essentially "well Trump is implicated so we have a NATSEC issue and we need a heads up if you cooperate with Mueller". And remember how Trump says he loves you. Um . Witness tampering. Obstruction. All that.

WTF? Seriously wtf? This news would have been included in Mueller's report or leaked if it wasn't. But the bottom line here is that any thing Mueller's report would have said if he found evidence of Collusion would have been made up. This stemmed from Russia hacking the DNC computers which we know never happened. The FBI never showed any evidence of it and just said that they believe and there is high probability that Russia interfered with the election.

Many of us have written some very fine essays showing how all the evidence was manufactured. The Trump tower meeting was setup by Fusion GPS. The Steele dossier was based on hearsay evidence from people in Russia who called Steele after Sydney Bluementhal told them to. Steele admitted to an Obama state department employee that the dossier had to be leaked before the election. And finally it was opposition research for Hillary's campaign. Oh yeah. And Obama et all were going to use it against Trump if he didn't accept the election results.

The timing of this is just too perfect don't you think? Apparently the judge who was going to sentence Flynn asked for the information on him to be given to the court and then someone leaked it? Seriously? After there has been no leaks whatsoever from Mueller's team we are supposed to believe that someone got a conscience and leaked this? Give me an effing break.

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@snoopydawg

yours and everyone's comments here? on edit: as to this:

"Many of us have written some very fine essays showing how all the evidence was manufactured."

yes, and when i'd used the term 'aficionados' (experts) in the title, i'd been thinking of you and pluto's republic especially, and i'd even checked his dashboard to make sure he were around as i'd known you were already.

of course the VIPS have proven that the emails were leaked, not hacked, but yes, snoopy: just as flynn's about to be sentenced: is he testilying?

if those voicemails exist, would the transcripts reflect them honestly? how does sergey kisylak fit into the mix? i do wish i hadn't focused so on miz wheeler's take, and had left her twitter account in which her hubris and arrogance reign supreme, but in this one she suggests:
'Thinking maybe @qjurecic and I should start a @MuellerFactoidADay Twitter account for the really alarming things that are in the report that even Bill Barr hasn't read, apparently.'

and here: 'Reupping again bc I'm increasingly convinced only @qjurecic and I read the Mueller Report.

We KNOW Trump took Obama's warning abt Flynn seriously bc both Hope Hicks and Steve Bannon told the FBI that.'

and i have no idea what this means:

and hadn't trump been the object of spying himself?

commeter g. smythe sent this while i was in palestine (virtually) for most of the day:

Barr worked for Bush the 1st, and helped to cover up Iran-Contra. Does anything else need to be said?

and a link to richard wolfe at the guardian i won't have time to read. 'Barr's inquiry into the Trump-Russia inquiry is corruption eating itself , may 15

but no, they can't let it rest; how many others are there in the same boat? all Dems? i have no idea but because impeaching the bastard is such a ubiquitous theme, is this where they're pinning their hopes?

anyhoo, thanks all, i just wish i'd done a bit more wide-ranging research on all of this 'new stuff' before i'd plopped so unceremoniously and Not Close to Ready for Prime Time in your laps. my apologies for that, srsly.

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First...off this looks like he just threw sh*t at the wall to see what would stick. Nothing he said should be taken seriously. Actually I couldn't understand what his point was.

Secondly... I have no idea what Marcy is trying to say. Just words and Russia and something about Barr. Both he and Mueller are just playing along with both parties on Russia Gate. This is so they can manufacture consent for the new Cold War.

Thirdly..yes Barr has appointed someone to look into spying on Trump's campaign, but it's not a criminal investigation so nothing will come from it.

Fourthly...everything is just a distraction from the reason people rejected Herheinous and to keep people from focusing on what's happening in this sordid country.

Fifthly...people who buy into this silly Russia interfered with the election and has the GOP by their balls have lost contact with reality.

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i did look on the #ReleasetheFullReport hashtag, nothing since liz warren's outrage in april, but here's the twit account for the Mueller investigation, fwiw/

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for wasting your time (and mine). thanks for the comments. guess we'll see one day where all this lands.

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@wendy davis

This essay was the best part of my day. Thanks, Wendy.

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