2020 - Reality Sucks

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Grandpa

The protest movement in France is bringing some hope for people worldwide and has given vigor to a revolutionary mindset taking place among the working class of the world. Who knows where this can lead but face it, history isn't on our side. I mean, regardless what has been done in the past, we're still dealing with this major shit aren't we? So it's not like anything has been THAT successful.

But I got to thinking, sorry Grandpa.

I thought, assuming Trump runs again in 2020 (which is like NEXT YEAR in a couple few weeks), how many Americans would vote for him? Last election, almost 63 million people voted for him.

We've now seen what he's all about as president, which is basically an extension of ruling class neoliberal, neoconservative, imperialist rule, regardless the excuses made for this complete asshole of a human regarding the deep state or democratic party political theater or his "advisors" he himself fucking hired. Give me break.

If the election were held today, he'd get another 60 plus million people to vote for him.

What does that say?

Conversely, what if Hillary Clinton had won based on her getting 65 plus million votes, i.e., winning the illusionary democratic popular vote? She no doubt would have continued the same neoliberal, neoconservative imperialist agenda for the ultimate level of human lust and greed. As my brother likes to say, it would be the same thing only different. Yet, if an election were held today, again assuming Hillary was president, she would get sixty million plus votes.

Hillary may not even run again, or if she does she might not end up as the democratic party nominee. But if she did and was, she would get those votes.

130 million fucking people. Think about that.

Unless something major changes, by November 2020, a little over half of the voting eligible citizens of this country will have voted either a democratic party or a republican party politician for president and voted to decide which of the two OLIGARCHY political parties has the majority (i.e., American democracy) in the Congress and Senate.

And for most of us, we, and the planet, will be worse off than we were today, in many ways, and the trajectory will continue downward. There is no doubt under this Orwellian capitalist nightmare of never-ending greed and lust for power.

We can wait for it to happen, or we can do something about it. My proposal, which I first made in 1955 when the doctor slapped my butt and forced me to live, is to BOYCOTT THE FUCKING DUOPOLY!! Really, I came out saying just that. My own mom wondered what the fuck was going on but quickly realized she herself had nurtured such a response to the world. I love you Mom, rest in peace. I think that's the first time I've ever written that. I need one of those emotion thingies but I don't know how.

Just imagine, nobody voting for Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Nobody voting for any politician in either of the two oligarchy political parties. "Imagine all the people, living life in peace, yoo hooo. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope some day you'll join us."

I'm just kidding around, man. Let's listen to some music.

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Trump's current approval rating (44%), according to Daily Kos'/Civiqs' most recent daily polling data (refer to the top of the top page of DKos, via link) is only one to two points lower than Obama's approval rating (45%-46%), 23+/- months into his first term (Nov.-Dec. 2010). I guess the real questions are: Will Trump make it through his first term? And, will the Republican Party even nominate him for a second term? (Personally, I think that if the answer to the first question is, "Yes," then the answer to the second question would be affirmative, as well.)

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"Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe." --Thomas Jefferson

@bobswern They have Pence the Pious groomed and fluffed in the wings. Throw Trump overboard and then it's clean slate, bygones, must look forward...rinse, dry, repeat.

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a third, fourth, fifth party to form and run a candidate. There’s plenty of talk threatening such a scenario. Will it come to fruition? If it does, will it make a difference? We’re fixin’ to find out!
Pleasantry

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"If there is not justice for the people, let there be no peace for the government." Emiliano Zapata

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And especially this part:

My proposal, which I first made in 1955 when the doctor slapped my butt and forced me to live, is to BOYCOTT THE FUCKING DUOPOLY!! Really, I came out saying just that. My own mom wondered what the fuck was going on but quickly realized she herself had nurtured such a response to the world. I love you Mom, rest in peace. I think that's the first time I've ever written that. I need one of those emotion thingies but I don't know how.

Count me in for the boycott. T-minus 12 years to climate disaster leaves zero time for incrementalism.

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@Eagles92 You stole my comment! Bye

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"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~Dr. Cornel West

"There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare." Sun Tzu

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@gulfgal98 Clapping

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Big Al's picture

@Eagles92 Yep, the climate clock is ticking. Not to mention the war clock and the inequality clock and a whole bunch of other clocks.

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@Eagles92

Count me in for the boycott. T-minus 12 years to climate disaster leaves zero time for incrementalism.

Agreed, of course.

With the small tweak that what the Duopoly's been offering lately is closer to excrementalism......

Wink

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

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@thanatokephaloides

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the minimum number of votes to elect a President is one.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

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@Bisbonian Then we'd know exactly who to blame. It would be pretty funny though, like a national prank. The whole world would laugh.
Which is part of the point of a boycott of the duopoly.
But actually, if Trump and Clinton only got 1 vote between them, then Jill Stein, or whoever the Greens run, would win!

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@Bisbonian SEE: "Franchise," a short story by Isaac Asimov.

Yes, if I say so, myself, this comment is the "Ironically pathetic joke-of-the-day." Just click on THIS LINK to learn why!!!

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@Bisbonian

So far as I know the minimum number of votes to elect a President is one.

And don't forget that the "elected" one can cast that vote.

(Actually, I think it's 50 popular votes, one in each State.)

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

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It took a long time, but you have convinced me. Yeah, I am hard headed like that. Dash 1 I am now thoroughly convinced that we cannot vote our way out of tyranny.

PS if you want to insert an emoticon, click on the blue link for textual smiley below and you will get a choice of emoticons and the text needed for you to type in for them to show up.

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"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~Dr. Cornel West

"There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare." Sun Tzu

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@gulfgal98 although you might have unleashed something with those instructions.

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@Big Al

although you might have unleashed something with those instructions.

Dirol

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"There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare." Sun Tzu

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Maybe you'll get a majority next time.

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@Azazello But I didn't say not vote AZ, just not for either the republican or democratic parties. I know voting for third parties is pretty close to not voting considering the chances third parties have in this country. But it's still voting, and so is voting for referendums and initiatives.

But got to admit, all those non-voters do represent a big pool for third parties to recruit, if there was a way to do it.

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BOYCOTT THE FUCKING DUOPOLY!! Really, I came out saying just that.

Opposition parties in 3rd world nations boycott elections.
Regular voters boycott elections.

What impact does it have?

Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero.
It has no impact at all.

I wish it did, but it doesn't.

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@gjohnsit I agree, like I said, I was just kidding around. It is too bad isn't it. But I'll still vote third party or not at all, except for referendums and initiatives. I personally won't vote for any politician in either the republican or democratic parties.

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@Big Al I personally believe that it is very important to vote on initiatives and referendums and I will vote third party if offered the chance.

We really need a complete overhaul to our system of governing. I lean toward something like a parliament in which parties other than the duopoly can have a say.

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"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~Dr. Cornel West

"There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare." Sun Tzu

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@gulfgal98 https://mikegravel.com/direct-democracy-by-mike-gravel/

I remember seeing a comment here a while back asking "why don't they just have another referendum", regarding a European country. Can't remember the details, but I thot, what about this country, why can't we do that. I'm surprised more people don't ask that.

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@Big Al I would love to see more discussion about it. As Mike Gravel said on his site,

Are the people qualified enough to make laws directly to govern their lives? They’re qualified enough on Election Day to give their power away to political candidates who manipulate the electoral process to get elected. In fact, it’s easier to decide one’s self-interest directly than it is to guess the mind of a representative who will naturally put his or her self-interest first.

More than 70% of the voters already make laws by initiative in twenty-four states and in numerous local communities, and when voting on bond issues referred to them for decision by their representatives––serious lawmaking. American voters have made laws for the last 100 years and their record is as good as their elected legislators––with respect to fiscal matters, the people’s record is far superior.

The problem is that the Constitution, itself prevents the people from amending it.

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"There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare." Sun Tzu

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@Big Al I would love to see more discussion about it. As Mike Gravel said on his site,

Are the people qualified enough to make laws directly to govern their lives? They’re qualified enough on Election Day to give their power away to political candidates who manipulate the electoral process to get elected. In fact, it’s easier to decide one’s self-interest directly than it is to guess the mind of a representative who will naturally put his or her self-interest first.

More than 70% of the voters already make laws by initiative in twenty-four states and in numerous local communities, and when voting on bond issues referred to them for decision by their representatives––serious lawmaking. American voters have made laws for the last 100 years and their record is as good as their elected legislators––with respect to fiscal matters, the people’s record is far superior.

The problem is that the Constitution, itself prevents the people from amending it.

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"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~Dr. Cornel West

"There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare." Sun Tzu

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@gulfgal98 I'll see if I can get it done sometime this weekend. I think it's a very feasible idea.

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@Big Al
With the exception of this last election, I always vote 3rd party.
It's a moral issue.

I also misunderstood your original point. I thought you endorsed not voting at all. My bad.

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@Big Al

And I studiously vote at every opportunity.

What I won't do is cast my vote to endorse torture, war crimes, misery, suffering, poverty, etc. So I vote for every populist candidate offered to me. I let the oligarchs vote for the oligarchy candidates.

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A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard

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@gjohnsit

Just this morning I got yet another email from Bernie Sanders (how many times must one unsubscribe to make them stop?) and he still desperately wants (claims to urgently need) my money and attention. Can you please inform Bernie and the rest of them that my boycott makes absolutely no difference, so they can go ahead and ignore me now. That would be great!

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He makes it impossible for the echo chamber, the think tanks, the focus groups, the TV and radio studios and the newspapers and fake social media to do their job and put a nice, glossy smile on the festering stink. Trump is unwitiingly offering himself as the face of money in politics and everything wrong with that. This could be another great learning moment in American history that makes us better. We've taken our 2 steps backward, now maybe we can take 3 steps forward.

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@Timmethy2.0 assuming he's the republican nominee, he'll still get sixty plus million to vote for him. That's primarily our political system at work with good old citizen ignorance added in.

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@Big Al @Big Al @Big Al
Brainwashing will become too hard. It really looks like we got a shitload of more indictments coming, Trump will be in no position to seek re-election. That's probably what Pence was thinking when he was so quiet as Pelosi was trying to explain reality to the President of the United States. That's what Kasich is probably thinking too.

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@Timmethy2.0 seems to stay in the low 40's. That happens until they have a choice between him and Hillary Clinton or whoever the democrats go with, then they change their tune.

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@Big Al
His poll numbers have been relatively stable despite the uncontrollable shit storm around him. Different polling outfits seem to have different numbers to which they stick. You can see that on Real Clear Politics. I think they mess around with definitions of the people they're polling. What is a "likely voter"? (LV) or "Registered voter, (RV) or all (A). The majority of people are massively cynical about all politicians. We all know that. I just think things are always very fluid and those numbers will start sinking, like Dubya's sank to the 20s after being pretty stable for a long time.

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@Timmethy2.0

I typically avoid watching trump, and avoid TV infotainment and most mainstream print/online media. But this week I heard so much about the “Oval Office meltdown” where Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer reportedly “schooled” trump in the art of politics. I heard and read so much gushing over their masterful performance, and trump’s awful one, that I decided to watch it.

OMFG. Trump was ridiculous, of course. But honestly, Pelosi and Schumer were terrible also. Weak, vague, wimpy, basically they hadn’t a clue what to say to his firehose of bullshit. Awful performance.

But to hear the media tell it, they owned him. Showed him how it’s done. Displayed intelligence and maturity. On and on. It’s bizarre.

I have to add it was worth watching though, just for the belly laugh, tears of laughter moment at about 6:15 into the video, when Pelosi, trying to be concerned for ‘the american people’ and how shutting down the government is not helpful, points out that:

“people have needs. And the market is in a mood.

You really have to hear the way she says that... and maybe the wine and weed made it funnier, but the market is in a mood has become a go-to joke in our house the past few days.

Serious government at work.

I agree with Al. Let’s listen to some music.

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@CS in AZ like the plague. But I did watch that video also and agree, it was embarrassing watching that. Three supposed leaders of this country sitting around repeating themselves over and over while Pence sat there like a fucking box of rocks. It showed the level these people are really playing at. Imagine this level of mentality when it comes to "foreign policies". Trump was waving around his magic cards with the statistics like this was all he needed to justify his wall. He kept saying it over and over while Pelosi was just nonsensical. And Schumer was clearly just trying to score brownie points with someone, anyone I suppose.
What a crock.

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@Big Al

Three supposed leaders of this country sitting around repeating themselves over and over while Pence sat there like a fucking box of rocks. It showed the level these people are really playing at.

It should frighten everyone that these people are our “leaders” and are all so utterly, obviously useless. But no, the news media and pundits take it seriously, and talk political points: who won the play? Did trump fumble? Did the Dems take the ball and score a few yards? How will it affect the score?

Good grief.

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@CS in AZ
Schumer should have defered to her more.

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@Timmethy2.0

See, this is what I’m talking about. You seriously thought she “did well” and that Schumer, who barely said anything, should have deferred to her more? I cannot imagine we watched the same meeting.

They both completely failed to call out any trump’s lies, or his childish behavior, in any way, shape, or form. They didn’t even take the lowest of low-hanging fruit and hammer him for saying Mexico would pay for his precious wall, and now demanding that american taxpayers must pay for it. They were just befuddled. No other word can describe them. Pelosi complained repeatedly about “having this discussion in public” — raising the obvious question: what is she hiding??

Oh well... see .... the market is in a mood... and so am I.

For me, that oval office display of pathetic “leadership” by all of them, was sickening.

I’m very tired. I took today off from work because I’m wrung out. I’ve been super busy under deadlines this month, and I woke up thinking today I just want to listen to some music. And decompress.

Reading Big Al’s essay this morning was perfect... his joking around let me feel and think about why this seemingly silly pointless oval office meeting seems to be really digging at me. It’s not actually funny. These are people making serious decisions that affect the entire planet. And they are pathetic. And the populace just keeps on voting for them, like this is the best we can do. I guess it is. This does not bode well for the future, in my opinion.

I’ll risk sharing one more song from my playlist for today.

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@CS in AZ
Trump was representing his imaginary dictatorship. I saw 1 adult there who cared about American democracy.

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@Timmethy2.0

At this time, both the House and the Senate are majority Republican. How could Nancy Pelosi be "representing the legislative branch"? Did Paul Ryan delegate to her his authority for the day?

The whole thing was like an episode from a reality TV shows. Kabuki theatre. It wasn't actually real, and it meant nothing. Just like almost everything going on in D.C. right now.

I find it downright scary that so many people don't see it. This is serious denial, mass delusion, at a time when we need to have all our wits about us.

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@CS in AZ (See what I did there?)

Pelosi is a fucking embarrassment.

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@CS in AZ
That can't be a good sign for the Trump campaign.

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@CS in AZ

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@Eagles92

I never heard this before. Love it!

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@CS in AZ Happy to have aided in your discovery. Cheers!

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@CS in AZ I'll have to maybe try to watch that video again, I didn't make it through Trump's initial babble and I am really not sure at all I could sit and watch Pelosi stumble around but maybe after some wine and weed it can be done.

Yes, these people are absolutely pathetic. I mean the idea that these Democrats will save us just blows my mind but hey, in a country that voted Trump into office it really shouldn't.

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@lizzyh7

Thank you.

I didn't make it through Trump's initial babble and I am really not sure at all I could sit and watch Pelosi stumble around but maybe after some wine and weed it can be done.

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Yes, these were essential to even starting the video. Haha. I told hubs I was going to play it, and he was like, um... ok, but first...

That’s why I gave you guys the time marker (start the video of the meeting at about six minutes in) so you can see that part without watching the whole thing.

It’s easy to miss this little comment from her because I think trump is talking over her, like he did throughout most of it, but it just made us laugh so hard... had to pause it while we laughed and replayed it a few times.

Good stuff. Wink

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@CS in AZ These people are pathetic. They debate numbers of votes while talking about something that is such a WASTE while it is so damned cruel and hypocritical I did scream back at it. They sit there and blather back and forth like that means anything. Sickening.

8:20 Pelosi babbling ineffectually about votes and yes, I'm quite sure they'll pass something behind closed doors (Schumer 9:43 ish). That is how they roll and that is how they've always rolled, it's just more blatant and stupid with Trump. It really, to me, shows the utter dumbing down of America. The fact it got 15 minutes, well, how can anyone be surprised anymore? It is Idiot America, God bless Charlie Pierce for that book even if he now is an almost completely unreadable shill.

12:20 It's called Idiocy.

And 15:11 Shutting down the government, nice set up for that for Trump Schumer, bait him into it on live teevee. Nice way to show you'll "have to" compromise now.

There really isn't enough wine and weed in the world to get me to watch that willingly but thanks, it is good sometimes to see just what the public is being fed. Scary as hell. Stunning really.

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@lizzyh7 @lizzyh7 @lizzyh7

I am really not sure at all I could sit and watch Pelosi stumble around but maybe after some wine and weed it can be done.

That was a fucking setup by Trump that backfired big time. He was planning on belittling Pelosi and Schumer to score political points with his base not to respond with substance as his duty calls for as the fucking President of The United States. He was reading from cards. He had the Fox news people ready to go with pre-planned questions. Pence was in on it too and it fucking backfired like it always backfires on liars and cheats.

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@Timmethy2.0

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@Eagles92

But blinders works too.

A man sees what he wants to see, and disregards the rest.

— Paul Simon

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@CS in AZ
They're not rose colored, they're tinted with realistic optimism, I think.

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@Timmethy2.0

I can see through them, they're not 3d holographic They're not rose colored, they're tinted with realistic optimism, I think.

You're mistaken, I'm afraid.

In the realms of American economy and government, realism and optimism are mutually exclusive. The factually correct Venn diagram looks like this:

Venn1.png

No offense intended to you, Tmmethy2.0, but the beast you believe in -- major Congressional leaders who still care about representing ordinary Americans -- is completely extinct. Senators and Members of the House of "Representatives" who try to do this, such as Raul Grijalva of Arizona, find themselves sidelined and marginalized.

The days of the likes of Tip O'Neill are over; and Nancy "We're all capitalists now" Pelosi is no Tip O'Neill.

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-- snoopydawg

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@CS in AZ I've never heard any rendition that ever came close to the original ... until today. Thanks for sharing.

(I've seen Shawn Colvin live, and Alison Krauss live; wish I could have seen them both together!)

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