The Use of Nuclear Weapons is Illegal, Period
This is important information for people to understand.
Recently there have been discussions in the media about the "appropriate" use of nuclear weapons. Pentagon generals and other officials have discussed whether they might disobey an "illegal" order to fire off a nuke. Discussions about whether Trump has the authority to order a nuclear bomb attack on his own. Trump has threatened to annihilate North Korea with nuclear weapons while North Korea has threatened to nuke Japan or Guam.
What's been missing is the fact that any use of a nuclear weapon would be illegal under international laws and treaties. In a nutshell, it's because they're immoral. That's why people in the past outlawed them even before they were invented. Only immoral people would consider using them. Unfortunately, we have immoral people running our government, starting with the Immoral President.
"But more importantly, there is a deep and startling absurdity and a shocking ignorance in these public nuclear war conversations. Any use of nuclear weapons would be indiscriminate and illegal by definition. Only the uninitiated, uninformed or willfully blind can still imagine that today’s nuclear weapons could be used “proportionately” to produce more military good than evil. The uncontrollable, unlimited, and unfathomable magnitude of nuclear weapons effects have been established as unlawful in countless text books, law journals, government studies and independent analyses.
The use of nuclear weapons under any circumstances would be illegal because international covenants, treaties, and protocols forbid indiscriminate destruction, attacks that are disproportionate to a military objective, and weapons’ effects that “treacherously wound,” harm neutral states, or do long-term damage to the environment.
In her book Thermonuclear Monarchy Professor Elaine Scarry of Harvard reminds us that as long ago as 1995, Sweden, Iran and Egypt argued before the International Court of Justice that since nuclear weapons cause disproportionate suffering, they are prohibited by the 1868 Declaration of St. Petersburg and the Geneva Protocols of 1925, 1949, and 1977. The Republic of the Marshall Islands argued that using nuclear weapons would violate the 1907 Hague Conventions prohibiting weapons with effects that cross into neutral states. Both North Korea and India, neither of which possessed nuclear weapons in 1995, wrote to the World Court insisting that it judge them unlawful. India argued that any use of nuclear weapons, including the mere possession of them, is illegal under the Charter of the United Nations and international “rules of proportionality.”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/what-kind-of-nuclear-attack-would-be-legal...
The most hypocritical nation, now led by a belligerent idiot named Trump, is the only country to ever use nuclear weapons, illegally. It possesses an arsenal of over 5000 illegal nuclear weapons, has officially documented plans to use nuclear weapons in the illegal wars it starts or may start, and it threatens other countries like North Korea and Iran with complete and illegal destruction by nuclear weapons if they dare develop their own illegal nuclear weapons.
"Charles Moxley, in his 813-page study Nuclear Weapons & International Law, puts this list of treaty violations in perspective:
“Nuclear weapons are not illegal just because they violate these laws of war, as exhaustively proven in this volume. They are illegal because they cause widespread and indiscriminate destruction without promoting the purpose of war: resolving conflict … They are not weapons but only wanton machines of symmetric destruction.”
So next time Trump or his generals talk about nuclear weapons in any context, know that they're either lying or just fucking stupid. Or both.
Relative to war itself, all war except for purely defensive purposes is illegal under international law and a violation of the U.S. Constitution. ALL war is a racket.
See, things aren't so complicated after all.
"Eisenhower’s directed plan was for all-out war, in a first initiation of nuclear war, assuming the Soviets had not used nuclear weapons. And that plan called, in our first strike, for hitting every city—actually, every town over 25,000—in the USSR and every city in China. [Ellsberg isn’t the first to discuss U.S. plans for a nuclear first strike. In the 1986 book To Win a Nuclear War: The Pentagon’s Secret War Plans, one of the world’s leading physicists – Michio Kaku – revealed declassified plans for the U.S. to launch a first-strike nuclear war against Russia. The forward was written by former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clarke.] A war with Russia would inevitably involve immediate attacks on every city in China. In the course of doing this—pardon me—there were no reserves. Everything was to be thrown as soon as it was available—it was a vast trucking operation of thermonuclear weapons—over to the USSR, but not only the USSR. The captive nations, the East Europe satellites in the Warsaw Pact, were to be hit in their air defenses, which were all near cities, their transport points, their communications of any kind. So they were to be annihilated, as well."
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/12/daniel-ellsberg-u-s-military-plan...
The plans are the same now. How do we overcome insanity?
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Almost every one of JFK's generals and military advisors
either recommended or even demanded that he employ a first strike against Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Kennedy stood up to them and refused to order it, even after one of our U2 planes was shot down over Cuba. Plus, JFK had RFK, Ted Sorensen and others like them to advise him. If all or most of the generals told Trump, no, demanded that Trump let the missiles fly, would he stand up to them?
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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
As Trump himself has said,
It's similar to many things today. We have all this proof/evidence of what our government has done in the past, like the plans to nuke every Russian and Chinese city over 25K as exposed by Ellsberg; like MK Ultra, like Operations Northwoods, like Operation Paperclip, etc., but somehow democratic and republican party partisans believe that was the past, that our government couldn't possibly do those things anymore.
That can be taken two ways.
Saying "what's the point of having nukes if you can't use them" can mean either that wars must naturally progress to or begin with nuclear weapons or alternatively that we should rid ourselves of nuclear weapons because they can't be used under any reasonable circumstances.
Heh, ya it could be
I'm not trying to sell you anything.
That would be a waste of time and pixels.
I'm merely pointing out that there's two interpretations and that you and the MSM naturally assumed it was the one that fit your story line. You may be right. Or wrong.
Me and the MSM huh.
Lighten up man. Trump isn't your friend.
Never said he was. n/t
It’s the “Goldwater on Vietnam” thing all over again.
During the 1964 campaign Goldwater said something to the effect that it didn’t make sense for the U.S. to be at war in Vietnam unless the country was willing to go all the way, up to and including atomic bombs, as America did against Japan.
Most famously in the LBJ “Daisy” TV spot, this was spun by the Democrats as Goldwater saying, “Let’s start a nuclear war” — when what he meant was more like, “If it’s not worth doing that, then the ‘war’ is phony and we’d better get out and stay out.”
Goldwater on 'Nam
.... and it wasn't .....
Ah, where the fuck is old AuH2O when we need him now?
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
In the grave.
AuH2O is in the grave. But his great-nephew runs a personal injury law firm in Phoenix.
Au contrere,
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Overcoming Insanity
I agree with your previous posts that slashing military spending has to take priority over all other issues Al.
The left wing protests are numerous and all over the map; environment/climate change, stop the tax cuts, save Medicare and Social Security, housing, criminal justice reform, Net Neutrality, etc., etc.
The bottom line is that unless we slash military spending there is no way to fund any progressive/productive program. The first step to overcoming insanity is slashing insane military spending and military madness.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
A more complete version of that Ellsberg interview
at Alternet
I'm already pushing the limits of fair use, the whole article is worth a read.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Got A LOT to say about this, but rushing to get my garden
ready for the big freeze tonight (whoever was here before me put tropical plants like bananas and pineapples and ti plants in North Florida. It's not that I don't like them, but...)
Hope conversation's still going when I get back!
Thanks for writing this.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I'm not afraid of Trump
he's a blowhard, and that has been the official response since the Russians tested a bomb themselves. I'm afraid of Theresa May and Hillary.
May actually said - to Parliament - that she wanted to order a first strike. IMHO she meant that if Hillary was elected that she would have. (about a week later a British sub tested a missile launch and failed. May's enthusiasm was quietly dropped. I unshakably believe that I saw a televised interview (just before the third debate) where Hillary said, "The Iranians are violating the treaty. I will destroy their nuclear facility, and if that requires a nuclear weapon, well that's not off the table… (also) Russian and Chinese hacking." but I cannot find the clip anywhere. (I do not mean her calmer statement at the debate) I was having narcoleptic episodes at the time (they stopped when I started taking carbodopa for my parkinson's) so it's possible it was just a lucid dream, but normally I have some giveaway , like remembering that I woke up, or there was a green cat eating a banana in my dream. This did not happen here. Does anyone else remember this? Someone must have been watching whatever network had the interview.
On to Biden since 1973
Hillary using nuclear weapons on Iran
it wasn't a dream or a nightmare, she said that.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
A green cat eating a banana
Ha! Dreams are nutty, aren't they? As a child, I once dreamed that my dad and I were on his motorcycle and we got stuck in cream corn.
I'm sorry to hear about your Parkinson's. It must be so very frustrating!
Yeah, u right BA.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Russophobia increases the possibility of accidental nuclear war
We came close twice in the past, once during the Cuban missile crisis, and another time when
Russians saw false radar images. Both nations have a considerable percentage of their strategic nuclear arsenals ready to go.
Why do we risk this????
I can only guess that it's for political gain and profit. I just heard a young Democratic Congressman speak, who's made it clear that his "image" was liberal on identity issues and "strong" on defense. He was going to get tough on Russia and force them to change their behaviors to be more acceptable to the US. "Russia wanted to deny us our democracy." What a load of crap! Russia has little interest in meddling with our "democracy". We, however, have meddled with 52 documented elections around the world including the admitted meddling in Russia, repeatedly. So now we have the traditional war party, the Republicans, and the new war party, the Democrats. This is a recipe for global nuclear annihilation.
So here's the point. The reaction in Russia is progressively more angry. Who would have suspected? Russia, North Korea and mostly every country in the world understands that the US stands ready to use nuclear weapons. That they are an integral part of US foreign policy. That the US continues to spend 100s of billions of dollars into nuclear weapon development, including bunker busters and dial-a-death bombs. That the US loves them and has had many plans to demolish other countries with a first strike. The US neocons raised the obvious point in the late 1990s, that the USSR military strength was gone and that the time was ripe for a nuclear first strike to finish off Russia and make sure that a rising Russia was never competition again. Russia understands this well, and will never let this happen. Russia's nuclear retaliatory capability today is real and devastating.
I see two hazards. The first is a simple error on the part of early warning systems, mistaking a non nuclear threat. The other is escalating tensions. The US considers Syrian territory East of the Euphrates river as theirs. Recently there have been skirmished in the air. A US F22 buzzed a pair of Russian SU24s on an anti ISIS mission, an unfair match. That lasted until Russia showed up with an SU35. The F22 high-tailed it out of there as it is no match in a dogfight. Assume for a minute, that the dogfight happened and the SU35 shot down the F22. The US would declare foul play since it seems to think that it owns part of Syria. Russia will say F-U. Warplanes and missiles will fly.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
How to overcome the insanity?
May be using Arms Control with a Heart?
The title of this essay triggered me to read it, but I gave up after a couple of pages or so. Too much for me. Scott Ritter is too wordy for my English comprehension and level of knowledge. But who would have thought that I would get some fuzzy, cozy feelings looking at Gorby and the Gipper photo today? Oh well, the good old times from today's perspective, no?
Sigh.
Sounds a bit weird to me, but heck, what doesn't. I give up. May be for you it's something of interest? And btw. what was ever legal and who would have given a damn about legality? Just write laws that make the previous illegal stuff legal. There are always lawyers around who need to make some money and will do anything for you. Bingo.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Interesting that you add this
http://www.mintpressnews.com/76-years-of-pearl-harbor-lies/235375/
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley