The M.O. of the Capitalist Hierarchy of American Political, Business and Journalistic Powers That Be: Commit Crimes And Lie To Get Your Way, Issue Buried Apology or Retraction Later. Donna Brazile Claims Proof HRC Rigged Primary Against Bernie.
Just caught this on Twitter and am compelled to drop it here. In light of "NYC Board Of Elections Admits ILLEGAL Purge Of 200K Progressives (Jimmy Dore Show)" this would seem to be another barnburner in what should amount to a full scale wildfire exposing how deeply corrupt the Democratic Party is. (Read the comments underneath the video on YouTube. Firsthand reminder of just how many people were purposely disenfranchised by the power-blinded Clinton machine).
In a more attuned world these revelations - along with Hillary's embarrassing petulant accusatory tour, the MSM's Russian Red Herring Mania bullshit and Bernie's standing as most popular politician by far - should have the effect of a huge, nonpartisan outcry by the citizenry that our electoral process, with the DNC Primary as Exhibit A, is a massive Lie being perpetrated on the American people. Instead of non-stop freakout over Drumpf, these revelations should be moving us in the direction of examining how we got there in the first place.
But first, the subtext of Brazile's curious admission has me ruminating on the fundamental problem of unbridled Capitalism. On a deeper level it has everything to do with the context of concentrated wealth leading to monopoly (six conglomerate corporations practically dictate everything we see, hear, read, eat and buy), with the ability to pay batteries of lawyers kept on call to obstruct and delay justice and/or to win wars of attrition against lesser-wealthy opponents/enemies. Basically, when you're connected to these kinds of levers of power, you can do whatever you want, almost literally, with full knowledge that there will be some cadre of high-powered lawyers to protect you for being a loyal officer. Just as no cops go to jail, neither do politicians. Or hardly ever. If you're a politician or in the media, just issue an apology or retraction; business as usual.
It's hard to imagine what Brazile has to gain by this; a little-too-late attempt to rehabilitate her credentials to Progressives doesn't quite feel right. The DNC's brazen expunging of Bernie supporters is another surefire sign that the Dems have learned nothing and are doubling down with arrogance and hubris. It's so pathetic to be laughable.
Before I called Bernie Sanders, I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music. I wanted to center myself for what I knew would be an emotional phone call.
I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clinton’s team had rigged the nomination process, as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers and posted online had suggested. I’d had my suspicions from the moment I walked in the door of the DNC a month or so earlier, based on the leaked emails. But who knew if some of them might have been forged? I needed to have solid proof, and so did Bernie...
So I followed the money. My predecessor, Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, had not been the most active chair in fundraising at a time when President Barack Obama’s neglect had left the party in significant debt. As Hillary’s campaign gained momentum, she resolved the party’s debt and put it on a starvation diet. It had become dependent on her campaign for survival, for which she expected to wield control of its operations.
Debbie was not a good manager. She hadn’t been very interested in controlling the party—she let Clinton’s headquarters in Brooklyn do as it desired so she didn’t have to inform the party officers how bad the situation was. How much control Brooklyn had and for how long was still something I had been trying to uncover for the last few weeks.
By September 7, the day I called Bernie, I had found my proof and it broke my heart.
Jesus, heavy conscience. But after the fact. It's a burdensome game to be affiliated with, when you're dealing with massive power struggles. And "forged"? Attempting to absolve herself from having been caught giving CNN debate questions to $hills? Still, no one has come forth to prove the trove of Wikileaks docs from the DNC were lies.
Got to admit, though it's a weird place to be, it's satisfying to read stuff spilled out from the inside, confirming what we all suspected:
When you have an open contest without an incumbent and competitive primaries, the party comes under the candidate’s control only after the nominee is certain. When I was manager of Gore’s campaign in 2000, we started inserting our people into the DNC in June. This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.
I still get a gnawing feeling in my stomach recounting what it felt like to be a voter, two years out from the presidential race, knowing that it's all been decided and you don't matter at all.
In a larger sense, this is what America is and probably always has been.
It's a haven for flagrant abuse of power by the wealthy, who are shielded by the empty promise of the Greatest Democracy In The World™, the lies and propaganda of American Exceptionalism taught in our education system, while we are subliminally conditioned (with the help of advertising) to worship at the altar of the Deity of Capitalism, which without you can't achieve the hallowed birthright of your American Dream. That's the current state of America. Maybe it's always been this way. If it has I don't think it's been to this extent.
Power corrupts absolutely. Capitalism results in concentrated power.
Dopey Fascist Boy Drumpf's entire hollow, overextended, bankruptcy-ridden "empire" is built on this kind of criminal abuse of contractors, employees and developers. He's always operated with tactics of slinging a fusillade of bullshit, lies and false promises in all directions and seeing what sticks. It's his favored mode of uberCapitalism. Then he doesn't pay people, breaks contracts, etc and threatens people to sue him, or gets on the offense and sues them first. Lawsuits are filed indiscriminately, basically warning opponents that they'll get buried if they try to fight. This is also the way the 1% and Corporate America operates. Muck up the works; by fire-hosing the dockets, which also has the effect of preventing legitimate cases involving regular folks ground down in the dehumanizing meat grinder of Capitalism from getting their day in court.
Murdoch's media empire operates similarly. Run with outright lies, spread salacious gossip and ad hominem attacks on enemies, always for the purpose of keeping more eyes on your "product," which then sells more advertising. Issue a retraction or "correction" weeks later in the back pages after the damaging defamation has already gotten traction. Mission accomplished. Which in the end is the only thing that really matters: profit, and using all the tools in your portfolio, to increase your power. Both Murdoch and Trump play wars of attrition in order to beat down lesser-connected opponents.
The NYPD operates in the same way, illustrated in the way they destroyed Occupy Wall St. In the middle of the night the attacked with a literal invasion-style operation (coordinated with DHS, FBI, and Mayors of major cities, read: Domestic Security Alliance). People were beaten, personal property destroyed and blanketing efforts were made to keep the media away. Settle it out of court in the way distant future, as their pack of wolf lawyers kick the can down the road, admit no guilt and resume your fascist ways. Same for victims of murder by police.
It's another aspect of Capitalism that reminds us that it is this economic system, above all, that is the core problem. When people are prone to say it sounds like you're envious of those making money, it's not that at all. I could care less if unfulfilled braggarts want to spend their lives collecting things to impress their colleagues (at that level I don't think many even have true friends). What concerns me most, and is the entire criticism of capitalism, is the power it allows a cabal of criminals to wield on legislation, the justice system and the further concentration of commerce.
"Behind every great fortune there is a crime."
It's evident that the Democratic Party needs to be destroyed - with the purpose of ultimately dismantling of the Duopoly.
To do that, all those in frenzied meltdown over Trump need to see crystal clear, that the Democrats' deep festering corruption, illustrated in these two scenes this week (which are really only the tip of the iceberg), are what gave us Trump - full stop, 110%.
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Hey C99 Family. Still in "cave" mode here with two infants...
Thus don't anticipate having much time to interact.
Will probably write up a general essay soon when I can, to fill you in with some more personal anecdotes.
For the purposes of this essay, what do you make of this situation?
Will there ever be enough evidence for folks to finally rise up in light of the whole foundation of this vaunted American democracy being built on sand/that as long as we continue to live by the sword of Unbridled Capitalism we will suffer such fate?
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Hang in there Mark
It gets better (with the kids I mean)
I've been looking at the front page of the NY Times the last couple of weeks and almost everyday they have a story on how Russia "hacked" the election using social media. It's pathetic.
And then, once more today I listened to NPR pushing the Russia narrative and how the social media platforms must be regulated to prevent interference in elections not only by Russia, but now by China and North Korea as well. I guess we have a new axis of evil.
The interviewee (sorry but I didn't catch her name) was basically saying we can't have free and fair elections until we regulate alternative media. Expect heavy censorship worse than we have now. Talk about your 1984 scenario. The people interfering in our elections are the establishment of the two major parties as the purge in NYC proves, yet Russia, China and NK on social media gave us Trump. It's either laugh or cry. The blackest comedy I could have imagined is our reality.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Not a word on dailykos FP about any of it.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
@Steven D Regulate alternative
Regulate alternative media so we can have "free and fair elections?"
Lee Atwater lives!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
So glad you posted this. I had just read
Brazille’s amazing ‘explanation of her actions and thoughts about the Clinton Creature’s Crime Syndicate before, during, and after she did everything she could do to help get to get Her coronated. I couldn’t believe it when she was referring to Sanders as ‘Bernie’ and then threw the Clinton Creature under the bus along with DWS and the entire DNC. I was confused then and I’m confused now. What is she up to???
I don’t believe that story of what a champion she was for ‘truth, justice, and the American way.’ (Oh wait - that was Superman. Donna is a champion of Donna. Period.
So what is she up to? Trying to rehab her rep plus push the idea that she is, well see, this is where I get confused. Is she trying to pretend she’s really our BFF so she can manipulate us down the road? Who’s agenda is she pushing? Her own? The neo-liberal Turd Way? Who?
She isn’t kind to the Clinton Creature, DWS, or the DNC in her ‘version of What Happened. But does this benefit them in some way I can’t see? Is this the prelude to her attempts to do a Bernie and lure us back into the ‘veal pen’? What?
I just don’t get it.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Well
Putney says, the Borman 6 girl is got to have soul!!! That goes for D***** K**, too.
(film, 1969) Putney Swope, the only black man on the executive board of an advertising firm, is accidentally put in charge after the unexpected death of the chairman of the board: each board member actually believed that he, himself, should be elected chairman, but the bylaws of the corporation prohibit voting for oneself, so each individual member voted his secret ballot for the person that no one else would vote for: Putney Swope. - Wikipedia
What is she up to? Selling herself, same as it ever was.
thanks, my jaw is still on the floor, the audacity! Seems like she will say anything to make money, anything at all.
Hachette to Publish Donna Brazile Book On 2016 Election
WHAT HAPPENED
Edit: to add THE ANSWER Black Enterprise Wealth for Life
kind of writes itself
A crazy thought (but then, I am a crazy old
eoman. Wouldn’t it be funny if she had some big political plans in the future? A VP spot or ^*perish the thought** HIGHER?
After rescuing the ‘Party’, of course.
She could be the double whammy, Black and female.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
@eyo
I'd say, likely trying to establish cred with Bernie Bros and others to help support the official version of the RUSSIA!!! HACKED!!! THE!!! ELECTION!!! propaganda that she just wrote a book in support of.
We can bet that they won't be charged over cheating Bernie and Dem voters (not to mention the rest of the world) of the chance of sane governance in the public interest - but in an actual democracy or legitimate legal system, lying, faking the claimed existence of 'evidence' forever to be kept secret because not existent at all, and making false charges against the head of (yet another) foreign government in order to create an excuse for (yet another) lucrative and murderous military attack on that country might have actual consequences, if not exerted in America, perhaps in international courts and various of the other countries now massing on Russia's borders and/or waiting for Mutual Assured Destruction as a result. Plus, their paymasters are pushing really hard and such as the Clintons'll never make that full first billion if the financial spigots shut off.
This expose - apparently permitted by the DNC - seems to me to be expected to work because we'd never expect any truth to come out of the party concerned and here's one insider 'whistle-blowing' a modified version of what's been proven and obvious while maintaining more important propaganda,
the very best liars mix a little truth in with the lies to make the latter seem more plausible,
and total global dominance is more important to The Psychopaths and Parasites That Be than having one relatively minor Parasite admit something already well known and thoroughly proven
where the propaganda campaign intended to cover it has failed more deeply than the (ever-changing as well as continually disproven or excessively stupid) Russian!!! Hack!!! of specifically known-to-be-leaked emails, (even if likely otherwise hacked by any number of others in other cases, for other uses, as well, since national security was always of no moment to Sec of State Hillary and the DNC)
even including ludicrous claims of Russian hacking of an isolated electrical grid said to be not even on-line,
as well as the 2016 election (which the RUSSIAN!!! HACKING!!! claims apparently were created to replace various State complaints regarding the Homeland Security unauthorized scans of, and attempts to access, State electoral infrastructure even during the election and which were undeniably traced back to them specifically and reported on at the time, just before Homeland Security grabbed control over all electoral apparatus anyway) and now mutated into the utterly pathetic Facebook advertising nonsense, as an excuse for censorship as well as Mutual Assured Destruction, all so that this total control could be extended over everyone, everywhere.
Going to repeat this comment:
Everything I've been seeing pertaining to this has gone to further solidify my suspicions-become-theory that the Dems have been and are strategically losing seats to allow the Repubs to gain the majority required to enact that Constitutional Convention, to be achieved in this next non-Presidential election, after which Hillary, I suspect, will get Her Turn at long last.
That being, in part, why I personally think that Her's so eager to convince everyone that it wasn't Her fault Her lost, as Her'd like the next Presidential Selection to look plausible enough to avoid riots and international questioning of Her legitimacy. And a lot of censorship is required toward that end.
So, my best guess (albeit speaking as One Who Knows Nothing) would be that the Dem leadership has no actual interest in winning this next election, and cannot be appealed to or leveraged by voters on any grounds.
And the following article from 2015 which I came across tonight when looking for something else explained the details needed for that theory to stand up and say 'Aaaaaaha!'.
Going to repeat part of a post I made earlier tonight, with all emphasis mine:
I'm just going to quote, below, one section from the article regarding that Constitutional Convention for which a great push erupted some time back and where the Dems have been, seemingly deliberately, losing enough seats to allow the 'bad cop' Republicans the majority they need to pass one:
https://www.alternet.org/economy/alecs-scary-corporate-agenda-7-their-mo...
... To paraphrase Carlin: "It's a big club, and they'll beat your head in with it."
With the addition of this:
In keeping with this theory, Jimmy Dores's take on this seemingly aligns with this possibility, although he doesn't seem aware of any potential link with the Constitutional Convention issue; most, if not all, will have seen this Dore video (a convenient refresher URL following,) or something pertaining to this situation.
Was Hillary micromanaging the DNC to gain maximized profits and pay-offs in the form of lucrative positions - as with the Fundation - while acting in a manner such as to ensure that the Repubs could gain that majority in order to gain ALEC's agenda of a Constitutional Convention?
And does this also in part further explain the Party rejection of Progressives and Prog candidates who would win over corporate Repubs in various areas where corporate Dems couldn't and where the DNC may not bother running Dems against Repubs at all?
Is this confession of some already-known fact cover to lend plausibility to not only other already-disproven claims regarding RUSSIA!!! but to lend cover to what seems an obvious throw of electoral competition in recent elections?
If they confess via an insider proxy to what's best recognized as a cheat and long-standing lie, will that con enough of the people for a long enough time to have the rest of their propaganda swallowed whole so that it can be made impossible to recover/reveal the truth to those they seek to dupe, to make powerless to even think or talk about it, and ever to defend themselves in any form, having been deprived of even their long-ignored and trampled Constitutional rights in a Constitutional corporate rewrite demanded by ALEC?
We must never again encourage evil to grow and worsen; we must never vote for any evil ever again!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQDlyCR3H0
Edited to finish the last bit of an uncompleted sentence.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Amanda Matthews I think something was
I think something was about to come out, or bound to come out, and this is their way of trying to control the story, as well as getting us back into the fold.
I haven't yet seen the part where Brazile explains why, if she felt this way, she handed Hillary debate questions ahead of time.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Something’s up for sure. I’m stunned at how,
after decades of privilege and protection, the truth about the Clintons is starting to come out. And where some of it is coming from. It seems like there’s a powerful group, or one fighting for power, who want her gone (why is the big question) that is at war with a batshit crazy greedy elitist group that wants her to stick around and keep trying to snag the golden ring.
I’ve already admitted that I can’t figure out what any of these whack jobs are up to, what their motivations are, and who’s agenda they are pushing. I know what they want, control. But this whole mess is unraveling faster than my failed attempt at learning how to knit and the way it’s happening is just bizarre and embarrassing. Such a disgraceful way for a party to die. And over someone who’s proven to be so unworthy (unless you need some bombs, bullets, or a speech).
So thank you (and everyone) for your input. Because I don’t have a damn clue as to what’s going on.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
@Amanda Matthews Why? Because part
Why? Because part of the Deep State/donor's club/whatever you want to call the rich and powerful behind the scenes are sick and tired of spending a billion dollars and getting crap in return. She was supposed to be sure thing. She flopped.
Admittedly, they're making pretty nice lemonade for themselves out of the Trump lemon, but they still don't like any hint that they might not be in absolute control. They don't like surprises.
Unlike me....
"Really? I love them myself. I mean, to me everything is a surprise. You're a surprise, this place is a surprise. You see this? Paper-cut, hurts like hell. Anybody else would be upset, but to me it's just one more wonderful surprise."
Free drink to anybody who can identify the quotation.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Babylon 5?
I totally cheated, but couldn't find who said it. So I'll buy my own drink.
@Deja Susan Ivanova.
Susan Ivanova.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
This will be the top story for days! /snark
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Good to see you Mark
Interesting article. What does Donna have to gain from this admission? She's hawking a new book, so there's that. Still $$$ to be made from rehashing the election, apparently. The focus seems to be Russian "hacking" and stealing the DNC emails. Eye roll.
I love how she says she called Bernie to confirm the cheating, then they talked about him working harder to get her elected anyway. No apparent idea that her cheating might have something to do with why she lost. It was "hacking" that did her in.
Haha - it occurs to me, maybe it was. Her's hacking cough did make her seem quite unhealthy. Hillary's Hacking, and then collapsing in public, could have been the tipping point.
Good luck with the babies! Wishing you rest and a good nights sleep.
I watched Donna Brazile lie about
feeding questions to Hillary when she was at CNN. I watched her accuse people who criticized her of racism and christian persecution tactics when she was backed into a corner on her lies.
I don't think she is a stable person and I wouldn't trust what she says AT ALL!
The DNC continues to show its ugly face to the country with its cozy lobbyist loving and putting a known liar back on the Rules committee (could it get any funnier?).
Donna Brazile seriously needs some sort of psychiatric help and the DNC needs to die as an institution. It's about as trustworthy as the Vatican.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
Remember when saying the primaries were rigged was CT?
Not only would it get you HR'd, but maybe even banned.
Now That is sarcasm done right.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
At this point everything
over at DKos is CT EXCEPT for blaming the Russians for everything! They continue to worship at the shrine of Rachel Maddow... it's a sea of little helicopter beanies!
I did enjoy the few brave souls who posted on the topic and loved the guy who came right out and said Hillary would have been a totally corrupt President!
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
I remember when saying the election was stolen
was CT that would get you banned.
My blood pressure is so much better now that I never go to TOP or feel tempted to post there. Any Bernie people still there must be token "Bernie Bros" at this point who are only allowed to post so the rest can mock them.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
At this point
if they did the unprecedented and "unbanned" me, I would simply say "no thanks". Assuming that I even noticed.
same here. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
The Alan Colmes Crowd... lol
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
@k9disc Whoa, I should have
Whoa, I should have read further down in the thread! Sorry, k9
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Steven D kind of a Hannity and
kind of a Hannity and Colmes set-up over there
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Are they going to ban Donna Brazile now?
and Liz Warren too?
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
You mean
from Facebook, Twitter and Google? Or just DKos?
Donna Brazille
is one of the symbols of what is wrong with politics and the Democratic party. She is trying to re-write her own part in the cheating done by the DNC. The rats are jumping off the ship. Brazille is just the first but she is still a rat no matter how hard she tries to rehabilitate herself.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I haven't visited TOP
in months but I couldn't resist a little lurk today after this story broke.
Diaries about it are getting flagged but some are making the rec list anyway. It's times like this I'm tempted to sign in just to add my recs in the right places, but I didn't.
The comments are just sad/hilarious. One common complaint from the die-hard pedants is about why this has to come out right before the VA election where Dems are supporting a 2-time Bush voter.
This is so much bigger than any single election but they'll never see that. Donna Brazile is now just a racist, sexist Russian spy like the rest of us and the corrupt party will go on, for Her.
Will this shake up the DNC as it should? Will there be a house cleaning, swamp draining reckoning like there should be? If you believe that I've got a victory fund I can sell you.
They seem willing to throw DWS under the bus but that's about it. The talking points will be formulated and Hillary's H8% cult + Brock's bot army will blast them everywhere and it will be business as usual at the DNC.
None of this excuses Brazile btw. She threw Hillary and DWS under the bus but still maintained the RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! cover for her own actions.
The DNC is rotten to the core and will stay that way. Nothing will change.
@Dopeman k, I posted a short diary
k, I posted a short diary/poll there. Couldn't resist. Let's see if it gets me bojo'd.
I don't understand why you are still
a member in good standing while I get a year off for this....
"Catte Nappe Fishtroller01 Oct 03 · 08:59:20 PM
I don’t know of anybody claiming or suggesting that “Russia did it all”. They were one significant influence among several/many. At the same time I cannot fathom your refusal to accept that Russia meddled, and it had an effect.
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Fishtroller01 Catte Nappe Oct 04 · 10:43:14 AM
I refuse it because no one has proven it without a doubt, and many of the claims so far have fallen by the wayside. Did you ever read the letter that the Intel Vets wrote to the government about this? Did you see the states that cried foul at that report that 21 states were hacked by the Russians? Did you see the nonsense reporting about the Russians being involved in the NFL protest issues?
Do you not have any sense of skepticism?
How does Russia spending (allegedly) $150,000 on Facebook ads compare with the Clinton campaign spending $1 million in terms of influence on the election?
Does it not give you pause when you find that our country has interfered in the most elections in this world of any country?
www.latimes.com/… www.npr.org/…
Honduras...www.theguardian.com/… www.counterpunch.org/…
dissidentvoice.org/…
“After more than 60 days following the kidnapping of President Zelaya and the seizure of power by the usurper “government” of Roberto Micheletti, it became impossible for Washington to continue to deny its direct involvement in this reprehensible and internationally condemned act.”
www.thenation.com/… Please do some homework on Berta Caceres of Honduras.
So, faced with all this clear evidence that our country has and continues to interfere with the elections and internal political issues of many other countries, often causing many deaths, do you think it’s OK when we do it, but not when the Russians do it?"
Asking Catte Nappe about her lack of sense of skepticism was considered "combative".
OMG! I just realized that the DKos community moderation system is RIGGED!!!
Oh, and never mention Berta Caceres... native born liberal environmentalists are only supported by Dems when they are not in Honduras.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
@Fishtroller 02 No idea. I know I've
No idea. I know I've been timed out several times and I know one particular mod has it in for me (as evidenced by nasty kosmail message I got right before one of the time-outs).
Before I stopped going there completely I was careful not to let it all hang out. I skated along as close to the Ides of March lines as I could without blatantly crossing them.
I basically tried to do the same thing TomP does over there (only with far less success since I'm nowhere near as good at it as TomP is).
Too bad you didn't point out that Israel has been interfering
with not only our elections for decades, but they seem to be in charge of our foreign policies too.
Hell, Israel doesn't even have to give any money to anyone because of AIPAC's total control over our government. For some reason not too many people have a problem with this.
Haim Saben, (Jewish man) told the DNC that if Ellison was elected as head of the DNC, he would withhold his donations. Imagine how much control he has over members of congress.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
I'm going to raise $100K by 2020,
I'll buy a few Facebook ads and I'll get gjohnsit elected President, or maybe snoopydawg. If that's all it costs to turn an election upside down, then let's do it ourselves.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
@dervish No kidding!
No kidding!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I'm in.
Where can I send it?
lol. That went fairly well
considering...
Lol asking for your friend Donna?
I love it!
But remember, since the results make Little Napoleon's queen look bad, he says BernieBros vote multiple times in dk polls.
yeah..
I wanted to screen cap the poll results for posterity before they meet up in one of their DeadendVillage facebook groups and gang up to freep it once it falls off the Recent list (yes, they are that goddam petty).
I noticed a long time ago that's where they do a lot of their shadier gang-flagging, not in current, popular diaries but in obscure ones that have dropped off the Recent list.
@Deja Reminds me of when
Reminds me of when Hillary's private server story broke, and everyone said the security risk was negligible and a nothingburger, Edward Snowden published the following:
Anybody have Eric Holder's number? Asking for a friend.
LMAO!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
OT but relevant. Poor Snowden.
His only guilt was he tried to warn us about how dangerous and duplicitous ‘our’ government really is. People rarely mention him anymore.
He sacrificed greatly for us. He should not be forgotten.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
One way or another,
Clinton's mighty boat is going down. It's too full of holes to stay afloat for long. Maybe Brazile is like a rat jumping ship, in full survival mode.
native
That's the only explanation that makes any sense,
Oh, and she thinks Bernie will be driving a lifeboat.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
@Bisbonian We're the Lifeboat,
We're the Lifeboat, and Bernie ain't driving.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I don't think she's jumping ship
I haven't heard her say that she is resigning from the DNC because of its corruption. She might be thinking that she can change it from the inside, but I doubt it. Anyone know if positions in the DNC are voluntary or paid positions?
I don't see her giving up on it, not after the number of years she's been involved with it.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
@native Not sure whether her
Not sure whether her ship is going down or not, but it's been clear that there's a fight going on up there whether to face-turn her or not. Since last summer, when WaPo started publishing things critical of Hillary, it became clear that part of the Deep State wants her gone. They've decided she's too heavy to carry.
But she ain't going down without a fight; her faction is sticking to its guns, most of them blaming Obama instead. Brazile is the first one I've seen to go after both and champion Bernie.
One thing this does mean is that Bernie is fully digested and under their control. It's quite possible they'll run him, knowing they can puppet him successfully. That would be sad, and I'd actually rather see another run of the horrendous Clinton Creature than watch what used to be a good, decent man getting puppeted by monsters.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
A few of them are throwing Obama under the bus
and saying that he neglected the DNC and was told to fire DWS, but he said that she was doing a great job and kept her on.
Did anyone catch this at the first part of the article?
I'm not sure what Bernie could have done at the point when he was told this and he probably thought that she'd be better than Trump, but there is no f*cking reason for him to be spreading the Russian interference bullshit! He knows that the Hillary campaign made it up. Add this in with his staying silent when it looked like the primary was rigged, then I start thinking about his being a sheepdawg again.
I'm getting a kick with the number of people who are defending the DNC and Hillary.
Again let's reverse the election results. Just like Hillary's supporters would be upset if Trump had lost the election and then blamed Russia for it, imagine what they would be saying if Bernie had won and then this came out.
Is there nothing that they won't defend just because it's Hillary that is being accused of doing it?
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
I haven't visited TOP
in months but I couldn't resist a little lurk today after this story broke.
Diaries about it are getting flagged but some are making the rec list anyway. It's times like this I'm tempted to sign in just to add my recs in the right places, but I didn't.
The comments are just sad/hilarious. One common complaint from the die-hard pedants is about why this has to come out right before the VA election where Dems are supporting a 2-time Bush voter.
This is so much bigger than any single election but they'll never see that. Donna Brazile is now just a racist, sexist Russian spy like the rest of us and the corrupt party will go on, for Her.
Will this shake up the DNC as it should? Will there be a house cleaning, swamp draining reckoning like there should be? If you believe that I've got a victory fund I can sell you.
They seem willing to throw DWS under the bus but that's about it. The talking points will be formulated and Hillary's H8% cult + Brock's bot army will blast them everywhere and it will be business as usual at the DNC.
None of this excuses Brazile btw. She threw Hillary and DWS under the bus but still maintained the RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! cover for her own actions.
The DNC is rotten to the core and will stay that way. Nothing will change.
not sure why this comment
not sure why this comment posted twice. Hopefully mods can delete one?
I can't delete either one now
both comments have replies and if I deleted one the replies will go with it.
@JtC Right. Oh well. My
Right. Oh well. My comment is so nice they have to read it twice!
Donna is still a piece of sh*t, but
the significance of her doing this is that she is sensing a changing of the guard.
She believes the Clinton's are going down, and she wants to get on the winning bus.
@gjohnsit yup. My thoughts
yup. My thoughts exactly. First rat jumping from the sinking ship.
Could it be because the news got out
that the Clinton Creature’s DNC, the Obama Admin. (and ALMOST the FBI), paid Fusion GPS for production of the ‘Clinton’ Dossier?
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I doubt it was any one thing
I think it's an accumulation of multiple trends and events.
You are starting to see a change in the tone of the headlines too.
I'm Hoping This Means Mueller Is Going For All Of Them
in buypartisan fashion.
The other day I mentioned I might be switching tacks on this Special Prosecutor front. Instead of declaiming the danger of partisan deep state shit, maybe I ought to be calling for all of them to be put under the scope.
Man, might be nice if they all did...
But then we have a serious crisis in government. The veneer of legitimacy of the US Government is chipping away. Once it's gone, we're not going to get revolution, we're going to get corporate stepping in and making the trains run on time.
If the appearance of legitimacy fails, the Republic is in trouble. I could see a sharp pivot designed to speed that transition along.
BTW, I'm not talking about some kind of wild eyed CT on the managed democracy front. This transition to benevolent corporate management is a real, serious idea; It's been in the business press for about 3 years now pushed by some heavy hitters.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Tee Hee
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
@gjohnsit If a corrupt rat like
If a corrupt rat like Brazile is jumping for Bernie's ship while he still sticks to the Russia story, that basically means that Bernie is under the control of the establishment, and they don't mind if he's the candidate next time. If the Clintons don't win this nasty little battle, Bernie will be the candidate next time. But he will be completely controlled by the same forces that run Clinton.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Doesn't the voter purge
in the 2016 primaries have something to do with the sea change, as in, isn't there some confirmation that it happened? This is an old article:
Over on the GOS
I had to look, and I was surprised this was at the top of the wreck'd list.
Here are some comments.
A couple more gems
@gjohnsit That one always cracks
That one always cracks me up. The "Bernie hacked Hillary" nonsense was debunked thoroughly and immediately but that never mattered.
This is one way the Hillary cult reminds me so much of the tea party. Once they latch on to a talking point it never dies, facts be damned. They took a page from Ann Coulter's "How to argue with liberals" book - string 5 or 6 lies together in one sentence and because each lie takes a few minutes to explain, you win.
I guess not liking Ann Coulter tactics makes me sexist or something... sigh.
@Dopeman I think that's
I think that's probably the moment Hillary's team got Bernie's voter lists.
A door opens both ways, and the Atwater technique of blaming your enemy for the crime you are committing applies here.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I look
I'm convinced KOS has his own troll factory. Clicks for buck$, you know. More and better buck$.
He repeats Brock's CTR talking points
but I am certain that there are others there too. They've got crappy message discipline, as it's too transparent and uniform. It's become a fake PR site, and it's shrinking.
I wonder what the next big venue will be?
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Think how many people
are reading the site our of stunned shock at how bad they are. I wonder if that isn't most of their audience.
Maybe!
O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.
I f'd that up but you guys get what I am sayin!
O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.
John Edwards was right
about there being two Americas. Add 2 democratic parties, two republican parties, two economic systems....The democratic party is as elitist as the republican party. The D's moan about glass ceilings, pander to the social special interests (who have their own elite to represent them) and occasionally touch on issues real to us have nots. Their "big" tent only has so much room, as the taken for granted working class found out. The republican tax bill will benefit, not hurt these elite democrats. Mean while, the rest of us little people have our own ideas, that keep boiling up to the top in poll after poll in the majority of both parties that just can't be done. Our reward for voting is we get to see the "adults" do the grown up stuff and keep quiet.
There is only 1 party
the Global Corportists which consists of both those from R & D parties.
O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.
2 parties
the globalists for sure,with their lip service to the second party, the ones that believe in single payer, the new deal, social security, child care, infrastructure rebuilding, worker retraining, monopoly busting, equality, justice for all, etc. Us.
Perhaps she knows something
and the Creature and her minions are going down? Just like a rat fleeing from a sinking ship. And what an absolute load of crap about her feeling so bad for Bernie. Here's hoping there's some indictments on the way!
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
@lizzyh7 That means the people
That means the people running her are also running Bernie.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Hey Mark, it's great to see you, we miss you...
hoping the growing family is well.
we knew about this DNC-Hillary arrangement in the early days of the campaign, i recall, and no one did anything; a clever scheme to take all the money and funnel into campaign.
We are a people in desperate need of leaders committed to fairness before anything else.
Thank you, Mark, for this essay and hugs to all.
Party for sale
$20 million and you too can buy yourself one of the two major parties. That's a million $27 donations. So why are progressives being thrown off the roof? Clearly, someone put in a bigger bid. You wanna run the joint? Outbid the other guys.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Mostly, because it irked me
I'm going to comment on the ironic reference Brazile made about her "spiritual sensitivities" in relation to the massive fraud the DNC perpetrated on unsuspecting voters.
First, I assume her comment about "lighting candles and listening to gospel music" before she had to call Bernie is a lie since everything that comes out of these people's mouth is a lie. But its a cynically unctuous lie because the spiritual (or religious) aspect of it implies she'd like us to believe that she believes our humanity is of some consequence. Although I am certain that the only lofty ideas of our shared humanity the Masters of the Universe and their henchmen entertain are those that come along with sipping champagne in their tuxedos while they admire the Arts, I have a response, nonetheless, to their evoking it as if they were in fact acknowledging the sublime and awesome nature that is our humanity, while they do everything possible to subvert and destroy it.
In Buddhism we say you die the way you live. This essentially means that you will either have a peaceful death, or an un-peaceful one. Definitions of what may constitute an un-peaceful death are best illustrated in the "Tibetan Book of Living and Dying", however, I've always believed a stark reckoning of the causes you have made throughout your life is inescapable. And so, without the aid of their lawyers, their money, or their power, the Masters of the Universe have at long last met their match. Their own karma. Which I imagine affords them great comfort as they die a death commensurate with the life they led, surrounded by people on their payroll and the family members who are waiting for the will to be read.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Rachel Maddow/Joy Ann Reid everything MSNBC
must be shittin themselves.....ROFLMAO
sorry but just had to
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Tom Perez
I have to think that Tom Perez knew about Donna Brazile's bombshell, since she was just appointed to the DNC Rules Committee. Are her comments functioning as "cover" for necessary changes within the DNC? If there is no change, the Dem party will go the way of the Whigs. If we know this, people within the DNC know it and they want to survive to keep getting that $$.
I think you've hit on a big part of the reason
for Donna's little "confession" - they're going to pretend to do some swamp draining and they're hoping like hell that they can sheepdog people back into the Dim party. Sadly, it'll probably work too. Although if the party doesn't totally disown the Clintons this may not work well, but then again, they can pretend to do that too, can't they?
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
@lizzyh7 It'll work if Bernie
It'll work if Bernie runs in 2020 and gets the nomination.
That's their smartest move. Even some people on here might fall for it.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
What other reason for the continued
focus on the democratic party if not to want to go back?
To try to warn others who think
the Democrats are still viable. That's the only reason to even discuss them as we all know they aren't going to change. That's my reason anyway, it's never a bad thing to know what your enemy is doing. It's like people who watch RWNJ crap to see what they're up to.
Edit to add: If Bernie runs again I will not donate money and I may not even vote for him. CSTMS is right on with the Dems working hard to co-opt him and with his acceptance of the Russia bullshit, he's almost totally there IMHO.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
@Big Al Because they are
Because they are our enemies and people are furious at them. Even more furious than they are at the Republicans, because the Democrats first pretended to be our friends.
Also, if there's a venomous snake in the room, I'd like some idea of what it's doing.
Nonetheless, it's unfortunate that if Bernie runs as a Democrat in 2020, most people will cheer like they've won something.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
For some.
For most it's the partisan politic soap opera aspect of it all that causes essays like this to get the most recs and the antiwar essays or those proposing alternative approaches from the duopoly get a smaller cadre. I remember the same thing at Daily Kos.
Not Bernie.
Not in a million years, no matter how much he shepherds. Not Donna, either. Kamala Harris, maybe. Some other identity place holder. Fear of Trump and an identity place holder will be enough to create a rationale, no matter how baseless. Then more voter purging, other cheating, bot messages, provisional ballots, whatever etc. It's all fair when they do it.
@Linda Wood They probably
They probably would rather go with Kamala, or maybe Cory Booker or, um, the guy from Puerto Rico whose name I always forget.
Bernie would be their smartest move. Hopefully it won't be the move they make.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I think
they'd rather lose than support Bernie Sanders. I think we've already been through that scenario. I agree that they assume they could control him, just as they control just about anyone, but they wouldn't want to have to answer to his agenda or to his voters.
Is this her “Blinded By The Right?”
Seems like she’s trying to pull a David Brock her, at least from what’s out here so far.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
So far, Clinton shows no signs
of diminishing her profile. She's still screeching about Russia-Russia at the top of her voice. I don't know how much control Clinton maintains over the Party as a whole, but it seems to be quite a lot. They'll probably follow her on down as far as she goes, trusting their fate to the hands of the Media... and of course the ever-watchful MIC. Brazile's book will likely soon be be forgotten.
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