"Morning Joe" Goes From Covering News To Becoming The News- Updated
No, I'm not referring to the infamous Trump Tweet yesterday about Mika bleeding from a face lift, and the resultant uproar, I'm referring to what their response to that tweet on "Morning Joe" this morning revealed - that they had been told by "three people at the top of the White House" to either apologize to Donald Trump for their unflattering coverage or face the consequences of a National Enquirer expose.
Why Morning Joe hosts think Trump keeps attacking them: Blackmail
“We got a call that, hey, the ‘National Enquirer’ is going to run a negative story against you guys. And it was, the president is friends with the guy that runs the ‘National Enquirer.’ And they said, ‘If you call the president up and you apologize for your coverage, then he will pick up the phone and basically spike this story,’” Scarborough said. “I had – I will just say -- three people at the very top of the administration calling me, and the response was like, ‘Are you kidding me?’”
“The calls kept coming, and kept coming. And they were like ‘Call, you need to call. Please call. Come on, Joe. Just pick up the phone and call him,’” Scarborough said, adding that they were calling his teenage daughters and close friends as well. “It’s blackmail.”
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This should have legs. This has nothing to do with Russia and collusion - this has to do with the Trump administration threatening and intimidating two media people for their commentary with a specific threat - apologize or read about yourselves in the National Enquirer (paraphrase).
I don't have any idea of what any actual charge against anyone would be - abuse of power, intimidation, extortion, whatever, but this behavior is clearly beyond the pale. I would expect that there would be some Congressional or prosecutorial investigation and follow-up to this. I think Joe and Mika will be asked to name names in the near future and I think they should. This isn't protecting journalistic sources, this is revealing who allowed themselves to be used as intermediaries and communicators of a threat. It's possible that some of these go-betweens meant their messages benignly and with good intent - i.e. a behind the scenes tip-off, but that's to be determined. Aside from that, the messages contain a specific quid pro quo - you do this and he'll do that.
I have to believe that Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski are experienced enough and savvy enough in the ways of both politics and the media to understand completely the can of worms they just unleashed on Trump and his administration and naturally, on themselves as well.
UPDATE: in the interest of clarity, it should be noted that the Enquirer part of this story as related by Joe, appears to be something that happened in the past, and not directly part of the Mika bleeding face-lift brouhaha of the last day. Which means that Joe and Mika stayed silent in the face of this intimidation (as far as we know at this point)although they didn't knuckle under to it (as far as we know at this point.)
UPDATE 2:
Trump, Kushner never blackmailed Scarborough, source says
According to this, the contact was initiated by Scarborough, soliciting Kushner's opinion/assistance about an upcoming negative article in The National Enquirer and he was told to appeal to Trump directly, most likely necessitating an apology before any aid in squashing the story would be rendered (paraphrase of events).
This is diametrically opposed to the sequence of events as related by Scarborough which had the contact originating from the White House with an offer of kiboshing the story in return for some groveling and forelock-tugging.
Until and if this is thoroughly looked at under a microscope, it comes down to who do you believe and who has greater credibility in this story? Just like Trump vs Comey, neither side can claim to have an unsullied track record for believability.
In my own case, I am far more prone to believe Scarborough, simply because he has always been a cautious sort of "on the other hand" kind of commentator, who usually tries to have his toast buttered on both sides. It's kind of hard for me to believe that he would trash his own show and reputation with such a consequential accusation unless he felt like he had irrefutable evidence of events that could be verified by others.
The most pressing question for him would be - why did you sit on this story if it happened as you describe? I don't know the answer to that question, but would presume that before making an accusation like that that he would confer with both his employers (some of whom are witnesses to the events as well) and probably lawyers as well given Trump's well known litigiousness.
Trump on the other hand has a limited history for truthfulness and accuracy, likewise his spokespeople. I am always waiting for them to be transformed into croaking frogs almost every time they speak and am frankly more astonished every time it doesn't happen than I would ever be if it did.
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I believe Joe and Mika communicate well together
The network may be more intimidated than they are now. But calling Joe's kids? That is a threat. What a child we have in Trump.
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Let's start a pool
The three mutts I think are that stupid are 1) Bannon; 2) Spicer; and, 3) Priebus
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
They (the 'three people at the top') know who they are
and presumably Trump knows who they are since they are transmitting the terms of an agreement that involves an action by him. They'll all be giving each other the side-eye, wondering which one of them cracks first or conversely, giving each other secret 'solidarity' handshakes.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
Trust me, I know Trump's tiny paw prints are all over this BUT
I don't think the tools who actually did the dirty will ever say so. These whacks are not only fighting for Tiny Paws, they're fighting for their own positions as well. They're going to fight tooth and nail and cover cover cover. For many of these creeps Trump is the only way they could have this much power and influence.
Just like Clinton acolytes, telling the truth is not an option.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
But if this comes under scrutiny
which I believe it will, simply based on the coverage that is starting to geometrically expand even as we speak, Joe Scarborough says he has texts and phone records that prove his story. IMO, the White House participants will inevitably be revealed, and they are all probably on the phone to their lawyers as we speak.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
We start a fair and balanced pool
and YOU get the first picks? Ha! I want Bannon.
I'll take Kushner (but I'm cheating)...
Jared Kushner Told Joe Scarborough: Talk to President Trump About ‘Enquirer’ Dirt
http://www.thedailybeast.com/jared-kushner-told-joe-scarborough-talk-to-...
I didn't include him in my original three. I didn't think he was this farking STUPID!
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
If Trump ordered this
It's an impeachable offense. Extortion is a high crime in my book.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
If they really want Trump out
But my guess is the Dems don't really want him out since they intend to run against him in the midterms. They'd rather drag out the open ended Russian investigation with Mueller, than go after Trump for all the other things which would justify impeachment.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
The Dems don't really have a choice
If they don't align with ousting Trump (and/or) his associates for allegedly intimidating and threatening the media,and allegedly literally blackmailing two specific commentators with one specific threat, then they would just confirm the unflattering general perception of them as ethically lacking and guided in every instance by political expediency.
(edited to add "and/or" and "allegedly") since the entire story isn't out yet
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
@Steven D According to Lawrence
Lawrence Tribe on Twitter, this is the relevant statute for the crime Donald Trump allegedly (*cough*) committed:
According tohttps://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/872
Does that seem like a slap on the hand?
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@riverlover It's a white collar
And what about Greta van Susteren?
well, she got fired or fired herself or obeyed her scientology friends or what?
MSNBC fires Greta Van Susteren, replaces her with liberal host - Published June 29, 2017 - Fox News
or
Greta Van Susteren out at MSNBC after six months - by Tom Kludt @tomkludt June 29, 2017: 6:13 PM ET
ok, her Wikipedia page reveals:
but more important this may be:
And now she is what? For the Record: She is not one of the "most powerful women in the world"? as someone said somewhere in some of the articles I scanned. I don't bother to find it again.
I remember her from her early days in "Burden of Proof". I watched that back in the days. When she started at FOX I couldn't believe what kind of narratives she got away with. I started to doubt my own intelligence believing she was somewhat ok before in her Burden of Proof show. What came afterwards was so stunning to me, I didn't know anymore why I found her ok before. I mean ... no comment.
I haven't watched ever either FOX News nor CNN news for years and years since years and years. It's better for my health. Btw, she had a nice salary of 900,000.00 dollars a year and Rachel Maddow supported her. In this bio there are more of juicy little tidbits of her life, you never wanted to know to begin with. But heh, nothing gets over a little bit of eeny, meeny gossip. What else is wrong in media land?
https://www.euronews.com/live
This is blowing up all over the place as we speak.
Donald Trump Responds to Mika B and Joe S
Wow! It gets more and more interesting since based on his own Tweet, the President appears to be confirming there was some discussion about the National Enquirer article but according to him it was initiated by a call from Scarborough to him. This is denied by Scarborough who has he has texts and phone records that support his version.
Mediaite also covers the National Enquirer response which is basically they don't know anything about interactions between the White House and J&M regarding the story.
IMO Trump has hoisted himself yet again on his off the wall tweets. Really, can't we start considering them to be cries for help from a man who no longer wants to hold office?
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
Cries no one will answer.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
OMG - JS "Updated NBC Execs in Real Time About Blackmail"
Smart move by Joe Scarborough to bring in the network honchos on this as it occurred.
I'm sorry, I think this is history in the making a la Watergate. Hopefully the timeline will be a lot shorter.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
As much as I despise the commander in tweet
rhyme with dense for nothing.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
He scares the Hell out of my too.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Religious fanaticism
hysterical dysfunction of what is amerika the exceptional.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
And his warped and dysfunctional
attitude toward women is s real problem. That a 'religious' based mental defect right there.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Without a doubt he's
her heinous fucked us royally by cheating Bernie and
the people while leaving us with the ignorant commander in tweet.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
@ggersh
On the plus side, the Mad Bomber isn't yet playing with the nuclear warheads and Her fucking us over hasn't yet been fatal.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
"Yet" being the keyword
it's
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
@ggersh
Lol, yeah, Hillary certainly 'gets things done' as far as killing large groups of people and overthrowing democratically elected governments in order to further enrich The Right Corporate Interests And Billionaires (with large cake-crumbs tossed down to Herself from Her paymasters) goes.
Trump is less efficient and focused more on the personal enrichment end than the enjoyment over other people's horrible deaths part which, sadly, has been our saving grace - so far.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
TDS?
Watergate? Impeachment? Sounds like a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I guess I retain my naive and somewhat touching ability
to be capable of shock and disbelief when confronted by outrageous behavior by elected officials and to still think that some vestige of our political and legal systems will respond appropriately.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
The only thing different about Trump...
is that he's doing it publicly via Twitter. Do you think Bush, Jr. and his minions didn't threaten reporters that failed to jump on the Iraq War bandwagon? I suspect almost every office-holder has directly or indirectly threatened a member of the media at one point or another.
Whether any or all previous officeholders
threatened or intimidated media is a moot point to me, and doesn't provide cover for Trump or any future President to continue the tradition. At least they seem to have done it covertly, which is as it should be. People doing bad things normally do them in the shadows. As you point out, Trump does it openly. When our faces are rubbed into such objectionable practices and we don't object, we are giving our tacit approval.
"They all do it" is sentence designed to promote resignation and cynicism and acceptance of a world that is not as it should be, whether we recognize it as such or not. If this country needs to do one thing, it's to regain its ability to be disgusted and outraged.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
Disagree.
No, it shouldn't be done at all.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
On the contrary, it's an acknowledgement of evil. I'd say your approach is promoting resignation and cynicism and acceptance. By only attacking Trump, you're diluting the effect. It's NOT okay when your favorite does it and you excuse or ignore it. Only holding those you dislike to account is not the best way to combat evil.
“I’m shocked, shocked, I tell you,
to discover intimidation emanating from the executive branch.”
Who remembers JFK’s tactics against the steel industry?
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/jfks-dangerous-playbook-f...
I'm not enthusiastic about the idea
of trying to unseat a US President on account of some petty quarrel with a popular teevee host. For the same reason I did not agree with efforts to impeach Clinton because of his blatant sexual indiscretions. IMO these kinds of misbehavior do not rise to the level of being important matters of State. They may provide a convenient excuse to dispense with a President one despises for other reasons, but to focus public attention on them in the way that impeachment proceedings inevitably do, is to distract attention from far more important matters.
Besides which, even if Trump were to somehow be removed from office, that would not improve the nation's long term prospects much, if at all. In fact it might make them even worse.
native
A petty quarrel?
In which an administration is (allegedly) attempting to either bribe, muzzle or threaten media personalities with its power to control a tabloid expose?
Our definitions of "petty" are different here. You may not find this significant, but I do.
To me, some behaviors are acceptable or unacceptable on their face. Plus, when we accept or gloss over smaller transgressions, why would we be surprised when we end up with the bigger ones as a result?
I respect your opinion even though I disagree with it.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
Same here.
I respect your opinion even though I disagree with it.
native
On the other hand...
there are reports that Trump was right. It was Mornin' Joe that called Kushner and tried to get the National Enquirer story about Joe and Mika's affair quashed.
Unsurprising, to be honest.
Politicians threaten journalists and citizens all the time, but it's usually those without power of any kind. And if you think they dont, and believe that they only use the carrot to influence stories, you're far more idealistic and optimistic than me.
So they feel like Trump is strong arming them... I'd like to know where all these stories about media silencing attempts were during ACTUAL attempts like standing rock and ows. Oh right, it's only bad if trump does it crudely and obviously.
Pardon my cynicism, but I feel either nothing will come of this, as usual, or somehow this will be used to pressure trump into another military action, because morons always respond with violence.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Good point.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Lori Klausutis
Google if you want to know more about the likely expose.
Personally, I don't have a problem with this. They're all public figures. Why should the mudslinging all go one way?
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Nope, it's not about that old story
The enquirer ran the story. It's about - gasp - Mika and Joe had an affair! Yes, it seems they started seeing each other before they got divorced from their respective spouses and got engaged. Can you believe it?
The National Enquirer Goes After Mika And Joe For ‘Sleazy Cheating Scandal
The National Enquirer admits to threatening them in its own report.
Oh. My. Whatevah will they do? This is completely silly.
Trump is very good at creating uproar and massive distraction, I'll give him that. I don't think he's doing it with any strategy or goal in mind, he just loves attention and chaos and drama. Which it happens is quite helpful in diverting attention from anything of real importance.
Just a slight correction, Morning Joe does not cover
the news, it spreads the fake news. On that, Trump is absolutely correct. Those two are as despicable as any on the tv.
How much of a threat is a National Enquirer story anyway?
Does it involve Joe and Mika's alien baby?
They say that there's a broken light for every heart on Broadway
They say that life's a game and then they take the board away
They give you masks and costumes and an outline of the story
And leave you all to improvise their vicious cabaret-- A. Moore
That's actually an excellent point.
I guess the people making the threat/inducement would find it a threat/inducement or at least hope so, but the more important part of the equation is whether the recipient considers it the same. Leverage isn't leverage unless it provides leverage.
You would think that Joe and Mika would have known that their in-the-public-eye romance would invite tabloid coverage and would have been expecting it, no?
Since Joe and Mika did not visibly change their public vociferous disapproval of Trump, can one conclude that it wasn't a successful threat/inducement and that they did not do the requisite ring-kissing? Plus, apparently the story appeared anyway, so if it was a shakedown, it wasn't a successful one.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
@Johnny Q
Threesome with Elvis, but it backfired and Elvis carried the child.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
They don't have a word in American English
for just how low the commander-in-twit actually is. Just another crummy day in Paradise was the day he was hatched on us. Rec'd!!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
When you have a bunch of praying mantises in a bubble
they soon begin to eat each other.
The feeding frenzy began 1/20/2017.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
A theory not to be taken seriously.
The threatening calls came from Mike Pence, using borrowed NSA software to make it looklike they came from someone else. He is (secretly) behind the impeachment to become president so that he can start the inquisition and bring about Armageddon.
On to Biden since 1973
You left out an important element.
Vlad Putin is helping Pence in the coup attempt because Trump hasn't been as successful at covering up Hillary's massive fail in the election -- oops, that was a typo -- I mean Russian hacking of the election.