This is for big Al and Phoebe Loosinhouse where ever she is.

In case you missed it, I am providing this link for Phoebe. I miss her voice. Al is here and hopefully will add to this as the mood grabs him.

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dkmich's picture

It is one of the strongest anti-war, anti-military, anti-party, anti-Democratic Party and 911 was a false flag discussions I've heard in years.

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Made me listen. Smile I don't listen to a lot of videos or talk shows because of the time, prefer speed reading/browsing .
Listened to the fifteen minute mark, will return later. She's right on, no doubt. She brought up Tulsi Gabbard at the fifteen minute mark when I stopped. I'm interested to see what else she might say about her.

What those at the top are getting away with, the absolutely immense crimes and complete indifference to individual humans has to be stopped. She's right, we have to quit playing by their rules, their narratives, their systems and create our own.

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@Big Al @Big Al

She is so up your alley, and I think right on. Sorry this is so long. I prefer reading to listening too. I open up a couple of tabs on my browser, listen on one and surf with the others.

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Debbie has interviewed Caitlin on her channel. These women speak for me.

http://www.newslogue.com/debate/394/CaitlinJohnstone

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But it may be a tad too early for the 9/11 reveal. Too many of the perpetrators are still alive. I figure it will take at least another 20 years for the facts to eventually come out.

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Pluto's Republic's picture

@CB

…Even under a pseudonym. If you are influential, the attacks and smears come fast and furiously, out of nowhere. One can get cut from the herd. We've seen that.

In the olden days, discussions of Palestine relative to Israel were taboo, but now there are are many significant topic voids in the tide pools of communication in the US. From the inside, it's noisy and hard to see the pattern. But when you get some distance on it, it looks like this:

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@CB
when I was in the 8th grade, my History/Politics teacher told the class we'd know what really happened with the Kennedy assassination in 20 years.

Well, 50 years later, we still don't know.

The reason we know 9/11 was a false flag is because we are so cynical and we have seen it before. Most citizens have no idea of the School of the Americas and even fewer have noticed that when TPTB turned their attention away from South America and into the ME that cocaine was not longer the problem but omg all those poppy based opiates have turned into a real problem!

I don't have much hope, but I hope to hell Trump can land a blow or two on the deep state. And I am so angry at Bernie for teasing us like he did. I sent him money, I'm such a stooge. I should know better by now.

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@gustogirl

Too true about the drugs.

Speaking of which, the JFK situation was not unconnected to alcohol prohibition. SSDD

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telling it like it is. Yay!

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to create a third party that isn't really a third party, i.e., it wouldn't participate formerly in the next election or have to go thru all the BS political hoops necessary for that. It would participate as a counter to the duopoly with registered participants or supporters. A de facto boycott to the duopoly with a platform to try to force a major change in this system.

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@Big Al register as independents. That is as non-party as we get.

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@QMS Problem is there still needs to be an organization and organizing toward a goal.
She talked about all the groups going up against Trump and how they all basically funnel back to the dem party and how we need to counter that with something against the duopoly. We'd have to organize to do that, much the same as you would with a third party but without the intent of competing in Congress but in changing the system. I think trying the third party route without changes will take decades at best. Basically, an independent movement.

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Pluto's Republic's picture

…in her video as ineffective?

@Big Al :

I wonder if it would be possible to create a third party… a de facto boycott to the duopoly with a platform to try to force a major change in this system.

No. And no. If you get down to her core message — if you look at your own core message, which has been consistent — it's a very simple and unyielding.

Decent and cognitive Americans are caught in a paralyzing psychic crisis. I used to mention the shocking reality among those who were deployed to Afghanistan or Iraq. They were blowing their brains out at the rate of 20 per day in the US. The other day, I revisited this reality and was dismayed to learn that the rate has increased to 27 per day.

These formerly deployed people are not thinking about third parties when they pull the trigger. They're not trying to send a political message to their representatives in the Federal government. They are killing themselves because they cannot live with the obscenity that the US has become. They cannot live with their participation in the monumental obscenity that the US leashes upon the world every day. Surely, the big national lie that they were "protecting America" must have driven them mad. Are they to die for nothing more than money saved in veteran benefits, which can be used for more killing?

Make antiwar the hill you live or die on. Make it the first condition, just as it was in the Vietnam era. Don't scratch around with the political turkeys. It's a shameful distraction, one that has wasted all of my time. Votes should only be used to disrupt and upset politics and policies — city, state, and nation — until the murder sprees stop, until the bankrupting of the nation for Empire ends, and until the war criminals are removed from American life and prosecuted. There must be no compromise and no cooperation until then. Subvert and sabotage the political process and drive out the serial killers.

Wasn't that your opening move, back in the day?

[edit title for clarity]

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@Pluto's Republic @Pluto's Republic and think ending imperialism and global militarism would go a long way in solving other problems.
But I was talking about democracy basically, which is what we need most of all, i.e., an end to this insane rule by the rich. If we take down the duopoly and institute a new political system, we're talking revolution, and probably, global revolution.
I said "like" a third party in that it needs be organized along the same lines but it would not be about electing politicians or participating in Congress it would be about ending the duopoly and the oligarchy. It would be a statement from the people, those registered, to challenge the duopoly election. It would be a boycott of the duopoly but a voice for the people even if they don't vote third party. I think in the platform or whatever was prepared (the declaration of independence?), ending imperialism would be an absolute.
That's just my brainstorming. Like I said, I'd be all for an antiwar movement right now, would take that in a second. We need it.

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@Pluto's Republic
The number of people who believe that the troops are fighting for our freedoms and defending the country is something I will never understand.
Do they ever stop to wonder how a group of terrorists could take away our freedoms?
And as was stated many times, our government has already taken away so many of them when they passed the patriot act and the military commission act. And the clause in a NDAA which states that the president can use the military to arrest anyone and hold them indefinitely without charges or have access to a lawyer.
Habeous Corpus has still not been reinstated.
When I see the number of veterans who take their lives, I wonder what atrocities they saw that has caused them so much torment.
And why isn't anyone screaming about this? Who made the decision to keep this out of the media?

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@snoopydawg

The number of people who believe that the troops are fighting for our freedoms and defending the country is something I will never understand.

The number of the troops who believe that the troops are fighting for our freedoms and defending the country is something I will never understand!

I live in Colorado Springs, Colorado. I hear it every day.

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@thanatokephaloides
US of A during Vietnam as well. Clear up to the point that there were around 58 thousand dead military members. And in the end, it was all for nothing.

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I don't know how to apply that as a concept. I'm this isn't what you have in mind, but it makes me think of something like MoveOn.

Now that the worst thing could happen has happened, Trump won with one-party GOP rule and no opposition party or rescue in sight, I just want to burn both of the establishment parties to the ground. The only way to do that is for the Greens, Libertarians, Communists, whoevers to get more votes and take their seats. That would be a boycott with a bite.

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Waving my hand because I was a critic of Bernie's foreign policy for the same reason she spoke about.
I haven't been paying attention to who has been voting for the confirmations and was surprised that Bernie voted to confirm Mattis. I knew that Warren had voted for Carson as the head of HUD. Her reasoning was ridiculous.
I wonder how they can keep so many people quiet about what happened on 9/11? It had to take a lot of people to work on it and a lot of time to set it up.
I read that the girders that would need to be destroyed were in Citibank's offices and they had 20 floors. A few weeks before it happened the offices had been closed for renovations.
There are plenty of videos online that shows that it was a false flag and one of the biggest issues I have with the narrative is that the planes flew for over an hour and not one military jet was scrambled over DC or New York the most restricted air space in the country.

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@snoopydawg
me to go hmmmm? Jeebus, if it takes an hour to get planes in the air over NYC and DC then the rest of the country is fucked. As in totally. By 9:15am ET the entire country knew "something was going on" except, apparently, the USAF. Well, that, and the fact that the buildings came down WAY too fast. Looks like the Bushies and fellow Oligarchs got what they want.

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Well, that, and the fact that the buildings came down WAY too fast.

No, they didn't.

What happened there is this: Real engineering took a back seat to profits. Can you say "interstitial load-bearing walls"? Sure you can! But the designers of the Twin Towers were ordered not to say it. The Twin Towers had no interstitial load-bearing (or even load-bearable!) walls. This had the advantage that the entire area of any given floor could be configured in any desired way, maximizing the potential for profit; but it also meant that once the supports failed on any given floor for any reason, the result would be exactly as observed on 9/11. Moreover, it wouldn't have been all that hard for the hijackers to figure that out. Before 9/11, one could get the blueprints on almost any building simply for the asking.

The Empire State Building has had aircraft crash into it during its history, complete with dumps of many gallons of burning fuel. It didn't collapse. Conservative design and yes, interstitial load-bearable walls were part of the reason why we still have that building and not the Twin Towers.

"One of these days, they'll kill 10,000 in one of these firetraps. And I'll keep eating smoke and bringing out bodies...until somebody asks us...how to build them."

-- Steve McQueen as Fire Chief O'Hallorhan in The Towering Inferno
source

That was in 1974. The body count for 9/11 was less than 5000, so his prediction hasn't been fulfilled yet.

But it will be. Take that to the bank.

Diablo

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the cost of "Freedom" (to operate without Gov't regulations).

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@Wink

Simply collateral damage, the cost of "Freedom" (to operate without Gov't regulations).

It's actually worse than that.

The Government agency responsible for building code regulations in the case of the Twin Towers was the self-same entity which owned the land and built the buildings: the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. The same ordered the buildings, approved the design specs, and built them.

If one of us were to try that.......

Diablo

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federal and state levels as well as many states being run by republicans, I find this a little convenient.

Relegated to the minority in both chambers, House and Senate Democrats have almost no legal or procedural power – they can't subpoena documents or control what gets a floor vote. Under a rule change they made several years ago, Democrats can no longer filibuster most presidential appointees. (Supreme Court nominees still need 60 votes for passage, but it's likely Senate Republicans will invoke the "nuclear option" and change that to a simple majority vote.)

Why didn't Reid change the rules for how many votes were needed to pass legislation when it would have done some good? And why is it that only the republicans who can block legislation and place holds when they are the minority party, but when the democrats are they don't do the same thing.
Why did so many people know a year before it happened that the democrats were going to be losing a lot of seats?

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I watched the entire video. Some tmes Debbie can be difficult to listen to because she is free form, but this one was right on target.

My takeaway from her video is before we can do anything else, we must change our personal value systems. I cannot agree more. Where is our individual line in the sand? This is a conversation I have had with family and friends and the response is always that we must be pragmatic. We as a people have been so numbed and dumbed down that we do not realize our own power if we only had the courage to use it.

The second I took from this video is that we have to quit thinking in terms of the current political parties or some sort of variation upon them. This plugs directly into something I have posted here on numerous occasions. Real change does not happen with leaders we elect, but with social movements outside the political process.

Her comments on the military industrial complex were right on point too. Our local Peace vigil disbanded in the summer of 2016. There were only three of us left and the other two members were in their 80's. One of them had physical issues that were affecting him when he participated, so the other member suggested we discontinue. I have been thinking seriously about pursuing a one person vigil on my own.

Thank you for sharing this, dk. I hope Phoebe will see this too. She was the very first person I invited to participate here and I would love to see her back.

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15 minutes could have been omitted.
On content, she was on point.
Who are we and what do we stand for are questions that must be asked.
I believe we need to know what happened on 9/11. Even if the conspiracy theorists have made the inquiry taboo, the absolute truth is our guvmint has lied to us before. Gulf of Tonkin comes to mind.

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She grapples a bit much, and when one isn't a fan of videos in the first place, listening to her can be hard.

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@on the cusp

I am not a fan of her delivery, and 15 minutes could have been omitted.
On content, she was on point.

She could have been quite a bit more Laconic in her composition, definitely!

Wink

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same page as she is in the book of life.

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I haven't watched the link yet, but I will. Thank you as well for noting my recent absence, for which I am both grateful and surprised - a single pebble in a landslide never feels like its presence matters for much in the grand scheme of things. As one pebble to another, thank you for missing me.

Briefly,I have been in self-imposed retirement from all things political for the last month or so for several reasons, mostly personal. I have continued reading this site and others to try to get a handle on what is going on and I have been simply overwhelmed and baffled - I don't know what world I have fallen into. Trump and Russians and just general craziness that defies explanation and/or interpretation; I keep expecting that a jug will appear on my kitchen table labelled "Drink Me" to help me be to be able to see things in proper proportion and to sort out the trivial from the important, but so far that hasn't happened.

The pull-away has been very restorative, I highly recommend it. Some things are starting to come into focus more sharply that had been lost in the haze and I plan to begin contributing and sharing and commenting again soon. I have read enough recently to see that Democrats are once again drawing all the wrong conclusions from their losses and predictably planning new Charges of the Neo-Liberal Brigades into fresh disasters which we the villagers will have to watch from our huts in the hills above the Valley of Electoral Death.

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@Phoebe Loosinhouse @Phoebe Loosinhouse
learned was that they were too lenient on the rank and file in 2016, should have DEMANDED Loyalty to the HRC Campaign. They won't make that mistake in 2018, will likely run HRC again in 2020. In other words, the Dem Establishment has ignored the lessons of 2016, have doubled down for 2018, 2020.

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@Wink

In other words, the Dem Establishment has ignored the lessons of 2016, have doubled down for 2018, 2020.

For that exact reason, several sources have predicted that the clusterfuck 2016 elections will be followed by utter carnage in 2018 and probably 2020 as well.

Non-Demopublicans are now estimated to be as much as 47% of the electorate, and we're recognizing the power we have.

And our battle cry has become: "Throw ALL the Bastards Out!"

And I daresay we'll do just that!

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